Are you losing ur hope and belief in god

I dont look for God in scriptures only in my Soul, and I found him/she/it. I do not need faith in God because God does not owe me anything but just a mutual friendship.

I would have to say you are breaking free from the years of conditioning. Not much else I can say but look at the world and ask yourself what YOU believe in, not what someone else tells you to believe in.

Hi CharmedFan3

Dont lose faith in god, I think like that sometimes too, because I become annoyed that so much evil is allowed to go on in the world, dont be angry at god, be angry at the people that do the evil things you see, be angry, but dont hate them, pity them, because they are lost and in the dark, because god put us all here with free will, and cant change our free will, so what ever evils humans do, is not gods fault, and nor will god change it. Find comfort in the fact that when you pass over, you can tell god that you never took any part in the hate, evil, and fear that so many people do, none of these evil world leaders and other people that do evil are going to be able to put there hand on there hearts and say that.

There is a lot of evil in the world, but there is also a lot of good, become apart of that good, and do your best while your hear to peacefully and with love try and change some of the evils we see in the world, build on the good of others, and rise above the evil of some, that we see caused by fear and ignorance

God will not change what evils we do, why should he/she? I know its horrible to see people suffering, and it should not be happening, but the people that are responsible for that suffering are not free, and nor will they be while they continue to think in hateful ways.

God is everything and everyone, including me and you, when people go to war and cause suffering, they separate them selves from god (good), and will end up in the dark and alone. Have faith in good, and the fact that you have not separated your self from god.

All the best
Faeden

I disagree in my opinion we are manifested of God's soul (Good=Evil, monism) and Gods Body (the universe). Its us who decide what to do with such power. Just what I believe in.

The more one studies anything, not just anomalies, the more one finds evidence of a superior life force in the universe. You are probably losing your childhood concept of God as a moral, intervening diety. He does exist. The decline of civilization is a result of contempt for the percieved inefficacy of god by those who give themselves to a lust for power and greed for wealth. God simply gives civilization enough rope to hang themselves and then..."the Gods of the copybook headings limp up to explain it all once more." What goes round, comes round.

Well we all have the spark of god within us, whether we choose to use that spark or not is up to us as individuals. That spark will always return to its source sooner or later, its the livings destiny. How long it will take for that to happen is up to man kind as a whole, but by going to war and harming others we are only slowing our selves down, sometimes even going backwards. You cant blame God for that, we came here as babies, the slate was wiped clean, and will be whipped clean again and again until we get it right, God knows that we have a whole eternity to achieve that.

All the best
Faeden

Well charmedfan3 has deleted most of there post, making what I said look strange lol .

All the best
Faeden

I did a long time ago. I used to be really into God. Yesterday my mom told me that we're going to church on sunday for easter and I told her "Screw that, I'm not gonna waste a nice Sunday morning sitting in s church worshiping something that doesn't exist!"........ then my mom got mad. So that's basically how I feel about god .

what did charmedfan3 say I might have mis-quoted you.

I only caught this

Errmmm she/he was saying how they had lost there faith in god, because of all the evil and suffering in the world, and how god doesn’t help anyone, because she/he has suffered because of war, and because of that she/he is losing there faith in god.

All the best
Faeden

Very interesting view on it...

Amen Faeden!!





LBD

It did not matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those being questioned by life - daily and hourly. Our answer must consist, not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each of us.

Viktor Frankl
Man's Search for Meaning

We continue to seek the right answer while asking the wrong question. The answer we are seeking is in the experience we are avoiding.
The Daily Inspiration

In your posts there is a commonality that needs to be addressed.
This is the perceived separation from God/the one.

If you were to relate stories of NDe's like mine amongst others, this appears not to be the case.
We all talk of a thread, or connection that our soul maintains within the whole.
While it appears that we here are seperate, but in actuality we are not, and this duality creates the confusion.
One of the main themes encountered during my experience was just that, how connected we all are in what we do, yet maintain a sense of independance.
It is thru this independance that we use free will, yet at the same time maintain a connection with the whole.\

Another underlying theme of my experience was the feeling of total love.

What if we all are here to experience independance of thought and action.
If it is true ( and I believe it to be) we all come from the one, the Borg collective if you will, and there maintain a sense of connectedness and interdependance on one another. Here we experience the opposite, while we are still connected with the one/god we are IN-dependant, a free spirit so to speak.
Perhaps our duty here is to live and experience independance of thought and action.
In a sense if we come from a place of pure love, we have it within us, and the journey home begins with that awakenness.
Our journey here is not a hell because we are separate from god/the one, quite the opposite, this is a gift, the gift of uniqueness of thought and action separate from the one/god.
Since we come from a place of pure love, our actions here should be based on that purity. Thru love we help others, uplift others.
If it is true that we each have a mission here, we can not or should not impose our assumptions on another, for they have their own mission here.
Thru syncronicity, we meet the teachers, guides that help us along our path.
Perhaps the underlying theme of life here is to " take responsibility for one's life and actions"

Thanks a lot Faeden.

Well thats very sad charmedfan3 sorry about how the wars of men caused you suffering. But In my belief God has no say of the world of man. And if Man choose to use the power of their God given Soul and Body to cause war it is of their own doing. Man have not learned of the past and continue their daulistic ideals over what is good and evil.

i think "gods" are nothing more than a human construct to provide a sense of order/stability, and to explain the unknown.

As such, it think loss of faith in "gods" is part of one's becoming fully self-aware. Of reaching the stage of self underatanding, of respect and responsibility, of understanding of man's place in the environment (and beyond).

So to those that say "gods" are within all of us, I asgree. It is the commonly accepted constructs of good and evil that we share that allow us to function as a society.

i love this answer

I was brought up a Catholic.. went to catholic schools up until the age of 16. All through that obviously I was told there was a god!, yes I used to pray and do all the other stuff.. But you know what? None of that made any difference in my life at all.

I then started to read a lot of books, explored the truth and now I just feel like the majority of the world has been brainwashed into believing in such things, I tend to sometimes laugh about how crazy the world actually is and the humans I live amongst.. haha =/

I actually look at nature and the universe in a different way now.. I appreciate life much more after I stopped believing in god. Because I know how precious life is and how we only are here the once..

^--You know, sometimes I feel that way--^

But then I think of things, and then I regain my absolute faith in God.

this is like almost exactly how i feel, like to the T, i couldnt have said it better myself, realizing that there is no god i can now enjoy my life for what it is, i dont have to miss out on the pleasures of life due to fear of "judgement" or say to myself, im not going to skydive, ill do it in my next life, or waste valuable time that could be used searching for lifes answers by saying "god did it"

For somereason, everytime I read threads like these... I get REM playing in the back of my head...

i don;t believe in god but i understand why alot of people do
Nobody can tell you or force you to believe in something that you can;t get you logical mind past!

i can understand as well, scared of death, scared of change, and scared of the real world around them

Hi seeking



I believe in god, and I am not scared of any of them things, I think your thinking of extremist and fundamentalist "religious people" that live there lives with fear and dogma. Not everyone that believes in god is like that.

All the best
Faeden

is there really proof that god exsists

Remember knowledge and integrity, you can't just expect faith to grow as the only plant in your garden.

Why is losing faith in God such a bad thing, just let it be.
Don't have hope in something you barely understand,
make hope based on the things you aspire to be.
No more relying on a man from the clouds.
Go for it, be your own saviour.

If you're losing your faith, then allow me to give you a little advise here...Ignore absolutely everything that anyone else has said Be they athiest, or religious.

On matters of religion, you are never going to be given an unbiased answer...an athiest like myself would probably encourage you to leave religion behind, to expand your horizons, and to join the rest of us in the year 2004, because we belief religion to be well past its sell by date, and currently functioning as a choking leash on society, rather than an aid...a religious person would tell you to return to god, lest your immortal soul be tainted by your flirtation with the evil of atheism.

The fact is, matters such as this are something you have to decide for yourself...religion is the ultimate in declairing yourself a sheep (there's a reason they call it a flock ). You're following the traditions and stories handed down over thousands of years, simply because they're funneled into you, and to continue to follow them simply because other religious people advise you to is just trapping yourself.

On the other hand, as has been proven, there's no way to expose a person to science, and the various truths it has discovered about the world, if you're not willing to believe it...if, at heart, you're a spiritual person, then you won't feel very much at home with atheism, and ultimately won't accept anything it has to say.

The bottom line is that you shouldn't let anyone influence you in either direction...you have to decide what it is that you believe, not just go along with what they believe because it's easier. Take this as a milestone of your life, where you're going to work out the truth for yourself...not have someone else decide it for you.

been wondering the same thing.

and is the shroud real?

No, there's no proof that god exists...nothing concrete anyway. If you consider life an equation (where we're forced to work backwards based on information as we get it), then god is a figure inserted by religion at the start of the equation because they don't know how else to begin.

From a buddhist point of view, you cannot prove anything exists, any thing at all.

Welcome to the forum, Charmedfan.

The proof of god is in all of us. If you toss a coin into the hat of someone down on their luck, thats proof of god. If you help someone pick up their shopping when they drop it at the supermarket, thats proof of god. If you donated money to the 9/11 or tsunami charity fund, thats proof of god. If you volunteer in a soup kitchen for the homeless this christmas, that is proof of god.

Whether or not god exsists, look what it has bought out in all of man kind. So in the end, doesn't god exsist in evrey single one of us?

Really? I better go to a surgeon and ask him to remove it so that I could see it once and for all...



How is that proof of god?

"OMG! Theres a blade of grass that I missed while cutting the lawn! Thats proof of god!" right?



How so?



How so?



If you go on another crusade, thats proof of god too then, right?



Nope.

Stellar, you're either stupid or arrogant. I'm gonna go with the latter.

Religeon is what governs the world. our legal system is based upon the ten commandments. Without it...

Christianity was a revoloution. Before then, people looked to religeon for what it could do for them. Christianity was differnt; it was about what [i] you [i\] could do for others.

Evrey good deed is a sign of this. last week I tossed a pound coin into a homeless guys box; I did not get any thing out of that. I was not rewarded, and I did not gain anything from doing this.

So why did I do it?

I agree Walken. It is religion that has separated us from god.

I stated this on another forum...but laws actually have nothing to do with the ten commandments. The ten commandments take their lead from natural selection...evolution gave us morals..just like everything else.

Altruism is simply one of the many results of natural selection....as a social animal, humans have had to cooperate with each other, and help each other to survive, since the days we were at the bottom of the food chain. Those habits still persist today, as that behaviour is written into our genes.

The ten commandments didn't invent the ideas it touts. It, just like law, is formed by the senstivities placed upon us as social animals.

Well I can't argue with that. But I will say that religeon played a part in natrual selection to.

Jesus:

Born in povertey.
Lived only 33 years.
Worked as a carpenter.
Never wrote a book.
Never was in the public eye.
A Billion people world wide beleive in him.

you lost me. how exactly did religion play a part in natural selection?

Its not like a cancer cell thinks "this person is pagan, so I won't grow and kill him" or a large predator seeing a human stops to ask if the human is a muslem before attacking and killing him.

I see no way that religion could effect natural selection directly. Perhaps indirectly, like following a religion led a group of people to move elsewhere, or to "drink the cool-aid" (could go either way).

Religeon played the same role in natrual selection as morals.

If it wasn't needed, it wouldn't be around.

^sounds like you just described jesus as a cult leader

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the reason religion is still around is because humans are naturally going to believe in something greater than them, humans want a purpose other than just living and dying, they dont want to believe we are no greater than any other animal on this planet, religion has existed because of human nature, even before jesus was born people believed in gods and an after life...explain that? why are they wrong and jesus right? and one more thing, if you look at the statistics, religion is actaully going down in majority...perhaps its because those who dont believe in god live fuller lives, allowing them to reap the benefits and joys of life, and not hold back on them because a storybook tells them it is wrong

"Creator?" is the first question asked by man and is the last question answered by science.

Adam and Eve were two halves of a divided cell.

The after life is energy changing frequencies.

And faith in any creator is as easy as "Half empty? Half Full? I just know I'll eventually have to wash the damn glass."

This has been your moment of blatant cryptic nonsense. Take it or leave it.

Walken, you're either brainwashed, or you're a moron.



No... law is what governs the world.



Our legal system is based upon common sense, so is the 10 commandments. You're saying that without your religion, our society would degrade into anarchy? Who's the arrogent one?

Man... I wish your religion followed the 10 commandments a bit closer in its past too...



And? Whats your point? Wheres the proof of god...?



So you're saying that morals are due to religion? An atheist doesnt have morals because he doesnt believe in god?



Maybe you did it because your religion says so. I do it because I feel its the right thing to do.

Come on guys...
Do we really have to resort to insulting eachother? You both should know that doesn't solve anything, and really doesn't make the MODS happy...


LBD

No offense.. but that is the biggest bs ive ever read


Look what god has brought us? War in his name and millions of deaths

I dont donate money to research because because god told me to be good in the bible. I do it so I can have a better life and my family and friends around me

Not his fault humans are so unreasonable. He may have made the necessary reactions to create life itself, but that doesn’t mean that he controlled how we evolved.

the only reason WALKEN helps people is because the bible says too... That is sad and pathetic

Me - I help because I want to and not because some1 else told me ( think for myself)

Walken - Helps only because God told him to...? (meaning he wouldnt help otherwise?)

think about it

I can get into a VERY long discussion about that...

What makes helping others good, true, and holy is when you do it from your heart... You could give anyone anything, and if the heart of the giver is not true then it is all empty... It is when you give not only because your are told to, but when you give for all the good reasons... When you give hoping that what you give will make the person happier, make the burden on that person lighten, and make that persons life easier... Only God can see into the hearts of men, and thats what really counts... But there is a bible verse I like...

Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. - Matthew 5:8


LBD

Hi Whoa



God never brought us that, man did. Its men that used god as a reason to kill, and to manipulate for there own selfish means.

How did god bring us war and millions of deaths ? It was the actions of the ignorant and selfish and fearful that pulled the trigger, not god. God gave us our existence, and with it god gave us free will, if we choose to abuse our free will, how is that gods fault ?

I’m sure our fear of each other brings god to his/her knees in despair and sadness, but he/she can not interfere, as that would make the free will that was given to us a mockery and contradiction.

God can send us his/her love as an example to us all and he/she does through the acts of some men and women’s unconditional love that you see in some of the darkest regions and situations on earth, its just that many people are to blinded with material and personal things to recognise it.

Some of the most heroic and loving acts of humanity happen in the most darkest and evil parts and situations all over the world, its seems where poverty exists the bravest and heroic and most passionate acts of love happen. The opposite can be seen in countries that live with more material things, you find acts of selfishness and greed where people have taken wealth for granted, in countries that are obsessed with (capitalism)

I think the fact that you can find light in the darkest poorest corners of the world where the most suffer, and can find so much selfishness and greed in the richer countries where people dont think twice about people less fortunate than them selves, proves the existence of a higher being, one that represents love.

You will always find god and goodness in the minds and thoughts of those that have experienced and witnessed the worst extremes of suffering and despair.

All the best
Faeden

If you believe in God (I'm no longer Christian, but I still theorize)
The problem with the "God gave us free will" Thing... is that it still doesn't matter.

A child has free will, and yet, if a 6 year old stole a candy bar from the grocer, are not that child's parents held responsible and expected to replace the candy bar?

No matter what man does. God, as our parent and supposed creator, as the instigator, as the force behind the creation of our free will, is still responsible.

If a man created a robot and gave it free will. That man would still go to jail if that robot killed anybody.

And some Christians would say "But all evil comes from the devil or the devils workings in the minds of man.'

Still... god is responsible for creating the devil. and it doesn't change a thing.

If God exists... he's got a hell of a lot to answer for. He's a bad parent.
You can't just knowingly create a world where bad things are possible and then take none of the responsibility when the sh*t hits the fan. Because no matter what happens on that world, it was still you that created it.

If all things truly go back to God. Then that includes the bad things.
Otherwise that's like spinning a Dreidel near a colony of ants, watching it kill the rival termites, and some of the ants, but then saying "Well I didn't make the Dreidel kill the ants... just the termites..."

Gods a hypocrite.

If he exists... then I hold him accountable for all under creation and insist that he take responsibility for all of it, not just the good.

Fear not God has not lost faith or hope in you