I don’t see a lot of critical thought about god or the meaning of life on this forum even if we can never truly know the truth but only rely on faith. I don’t see why we cant philosophize or theorize some new ideas. I getting tired of going back to scriptures and trying to prove them or debunk them, We should focus more on what we think personally

In this thread I want to critique God’s creation (the universe). I wrote a small poem, its rather simple and dumb its in the writers hangout forum. Link

What I’m trying to understand is if God created the universe how are we to view his creation? Is it architect? Is it art? Well my view will focus on art. If it is art what is god trying to express and why? Together lets critique Gods artwork (the universe) it should be a good discussion. We also got to realize we must take account to critiquing ourselves also. LOL art critiquing itself, an unusual viewpoint which I find interesting. Imagine you created something and it could criticize itself.

In the poem it speaks of technique. At a quick glance of the universe the laws of physics, chemistry, biology, and math makes a coherent structure, (“It works like clock works.
Nothing wasted everything makes sense”) of particle, elements, etc (This atom and that atom builds another). All this is the normal crap that we call nonliving things and forces.

At a point in the poem there is a variable. The two characters criticizing the work argue whether it makes sense they come to believe it was great architect then are thrown of by the variable. When I say variable I mean by it as an exception to the laws some of them not all them. One of the viewers of the art ask why the variable? Why is are these creatures in the work they don’t make sense in the whole structure. Note that the two people critiquing the artwork see the universe as a whole meaning they saw it from creation to end, the course of time that applies to us does not apply to them. The variables (us human beings) range in millions of possible actions and emotions that are not coherent with all the laws to a certain extent. Us humans can break away from some biological and chemical laws that govern us because of our level of awareness of ourselves. Then the other viewer who maybe a little wiser say’s hey it’s the expression of God. One thing the viewers did not reveal though is why did God create the universe?

The atheist will say big bang, evolution blah blah blah, I don’t want to hear it. The Religious not theist but religious will claim bible this, bible that, whatever I don’t want to hear it. Now that’s out of the way back to the subject.

In the poem the two viewers explain what art is. I used that old cliché “art imitates life,” but I somewhat foreshadowed the variable “life imitates art” I cant see how this statement is refutable. I have some underlying motive with this poem. The world see God as this wonderful all good and just being. Come on! This is not true, in my opinion. If we are art and the quote “life imitates art” be upheld as true. Then we are mirrors of Gods personal life or to other being like God.
In the poem we the variables are expressions of God. I’m not saying we were destined to express a certain range of likeness of God or beings like God. We are of our own free will and are responsible for our actions and emotions, as it seems to be. We could never know really. I choose to believe we are free.

Its just a thought. I was tired of hearing about God is good, or God is a slave master, Or creation was perfect then us humans had to poison nature and there is these laws to follow, No! We are responsible for our actions and emotions and imitate God or beings like God. So Jesus, Gandhi, Siddhartha, and others of similar ilk are people , all which actions and associated emotions that are seen as “good” can be seen as things of God. Then so is Stalin, Hitler, Bloody Mary, etc are “evil” which actions and associated emotions of God.

As to why God did this well that would defeat the whole purpose of the discussion. Well that is the whole conundrum, despite the fact if God created the universe and is an work of art what is the meaning. We can some how fathom how the universe was created and shaped out to be by the laws = architecture, and some of us can imagine us being an expression of actions and emotions of God. The why is what is troubling.

I could think of millions of possibilities, which one is right. I can be the optimist and say we exist just to find our own meaning in life which god might find interesting. Or I could be the pessimist and say we are a Frankenstein experiment, God created us and abandon us to see what will happen because his god created him and abandon him, and it could be an endless loophole of creating to find meaning. On a logical level I can’t say why God created us.

I want to read some of you guys critiques on God’s creation, despite I said don’t bring atheist ideals or the bible you can I wont hate. Its just I want to read about what you think personally about viewing the universe as the art of God and what meaning if any do you see?

I'm... needing a score card...

Difficult question
"God is in all things and all things are in god"
best I can do without squeezing my brain out of my ears
You're not supposed to know the unknowable
sorry

Art is all around us and with in us. It is our eyes that frame it and our minds that define it. Is the universe the art of the Divine or is the universe the Divine itself???? mmmm I am stumped. Were is Michelangelo when you need him?

All that God created is art...beautiful, nondublicatable art. His creations on his canvases...Our creative ability comes from what we learn by studying His art, just as if we study the great artist(musical, literal, etc...) Each living being is an individual breathing masterpiece....each star, planet and so on a sculpture.

Thanks for your post guys. I do have my beliefs and I think the universe is Gods body for her soul, and we are part of her body and a piece of our soul God's soul. Its very beautiful the universe the best pianting I ever seen, to bad I think it will die just like our body.

Now don't you forget "Slave of laws"

The subject of which you put up for discussion seems impossible to even discuss because it's so hard to relate to!

Why has some of my art pieces back at school failed, and some passed where I had worked harder on the ones my teachers failed me for?

Art as it would seem is something used to please somebody, and seeing that there is a God to please - how can we know what type of art he asks of us.

to many people toady are caught up in trying to see the big picture.
is it good is it bad. well its it kinda both, you know i think deers are some of the most beutiful animals ive seen but i also love the taste of venison, tell me is that good or is that bad?
with out the bad we cant know good and with out the good we cant understand whats bad.
if i was to critique some master painters art work, and saying that the work contained me and everyone else, everything about everything, awnsers to every question asked and unasked, id prolly be more interested in the portion of the art that actually contained me, just to make sure i took advatage of every oppertunity i had.
and thinking back about some of my vacations over the years,looking at photos arent nearly as facenating as being their.

i think true divinity comes from within and world religions are just one way of getting it, just another form of teaching.
you can wwjd or you can just ask your self and if you find its corupt then you know its wrong, if you dont know if its worng or right then shame on your teachers but youll have to pay whatever the price.

"you take the good you take the bad you find the truth and their you have the facts of life" sorry could not help myself. wasnt sure if you want to speak about what makes what,life is full of ironies great topic but i for one would rather enjoy it more tanning on some beach some where or while chugging brews at some bar with a group of friends or while playing vidioe games with my nephew

Ah I see what you mean now
Why don't you get up early tomorrow and watch the sun rise
That is Gods art
Its a doozy

Well thats why I choose not to bring religion into it, maybe we don't need to please God or anybody who is viewing the work in a certain way, but just be the "variable" the exception to the order. And also find beauty and art there.

Despite the beautiful fire of the sunset or the wave of the milky way, can you not see art in the confused passion of good, evil, love, hate, pleasure and pain in every humans soul.

Which is exactly why God says He created the good and the bad, and that expands beyond humanity. God created the antelope, God created the lion, God created the sun, God created ice, everything is created by God (even Nehpilim are the result of creations of God), so whatever you see beauty and art in, God has created it. Even rather dull meteors are filled with diamonds, the rainbow, untouchable, and unreachble contains all the main colors, etc. There's art everywhere, take your pick.

Our existence in itself is a work of art. Our whole life we work on a masterpiece and our death is when it's finished. The final masterpiece differs with each person because no two people have lived their life exactly the same. Some masterpieces might be calm, some imaginative, and others what some would call disturbing. In a way the world could be like an art museum. New pieces coming in every day, others just starting, wide ranges of genres, mediums, and sizes. Every part of the persons life is in the final art work and the whole of them together makes the image that is seen. Taking a close look will show how the person lived and how they felt towards other people. Then when everyone is done with their masterpiece, all are put together to make one that is grand and to me that is the meaning of life. To put forth as much effort to make your piece better to in turn make the masterpiece of all that much better.

Well this is what I'm trying to say, that there is no laws of order when it comes to many of the dualities we face in life, whatever we do is of our own will and there should be no regrets, its just is. When it all comes and gone, thats when the whole meaning of God's art is expressed all down to one(monism).


I have a problem with this statement its left to narrow like there is an obligation to do something, I don't think there is anything to do or someone to please, Find life and meaning of your own it will fit regardless what ever the end should be.

i think what God is saying in His art, or His creation, is
IM HERE!!! LOOK, HERE IS THE PROOF IM HERE!!! LOOK!!!