Full Version: if god is real why wont he show us he is
i have pondered this question for a long time maybe I can get some answers plz give me your opinion on this
there's a spirituality section of the board where questions like this have already been discussed...if you head there, I'm sure you'll find many topics that attract your interest 
And incidentally, welcome to the forum
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...hp?showforum=14
And incidentally, welcome to the forum
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...hp?showforum=14
darn seraphina your too fast 
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The whole point of free will is a test. Part of that test is the not knowing many things for sure. That would make it too easy.
I also suggest you look at the Spirituality and Skepticism board.
I also suggest you look at the Spirituality and Skepticism board.
QUOTE(Ashley-Star*Child @ Mar 31 2005, 03:06 AM)
The whole point of free will is a test. Part of that test is the not knowing many things for sure. That would make it too easy.
I also suggest you look at the Spirituality and Skepticism board.
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we don't want to frighten him off do we, he only just joined...
Welcome to the boards SH556
I was being nice. He/she's a newcomer. Welcome Shadow_Hunter.
He proves to me every day that he is real..... with all that he blesses me with.
Everything I see proves to me that he is real... the trees, flowers, animals.... all that I have been blessed with... my good health... the strength that he gives me to get through the hard times.... I could go on all day... 
Everything I see proves to me that he is real... the trees, flowers, animals.... all that I have been blessed with... my good health... the strength that he gives me to get through the hard times.... I could go on all day...
QUOTE(Ashley-Star*Child @ Mar 31 2005, 08:40 AM)
I was being nice. He/she's a newcomer. Welcome Shadow_Hunter.
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I know, I was just messin'
OK, so I guess there are those of you know my feelings on the big 'G' (that I am a NB). Having said that, some of the awe-inspiring things I have seen in my modest 27 years on terra-firma make me acknowledge that there is definately something awesome going on. Call it what you will, god, earth mother, invader zim whatever. I am thankful that I can enjoy these 'treasures'. So to whatever is 'out there' - cheers!
Ex 33:18-33 depicts Moses who asks the Lord to show him His glory. Instead the Lord agrees to proclaim his name before Moses, telling him that it is impossible for a human being to see God's face.
Assuming for the moment that there is a God.
QUOTE(Gabriel Posted Today @ 01:49 PM )
telling him that it is impossible for a human being to see God's face.
He does not have to show his face. Just a sign that he is real andhe is here. A sign that can not be passed of as a random act of nature. beyond all dought.
Was impossible for people to see Zues's face as well...
QUOTE(SilverCougar Posted Today @ 01:57 PM )
Was impossible for people to see Zues's face as well...
No, He often went among mortals.Zeus
Sorry SC.
Hi all
God shows me he/she is real all the time.
Think of all the "coincidences" that needed to come together for life to exist that is proof enough. There are a billion and one "coincidences" far to many for life just to be "a mistake of the universe".
Just to name a few.
The fine and delicate balance of nature and all its elements.
The fact that the moon is just the right distance away from earth to cause the tides of the seas the oceans at a safe distance from the land, so that just enough clouds can be produced for enough water to fall, so that trees can grow on land to give us oxygen for us to be able to breath.
Is it just coincidence that the sun is at a perfect temperature (and distance) that causes the world to be just the right temperature to coexist with all the other fine balances, is it just "coincidence" that all these other "coincidences" complement each other, making life possible?
Think of the vastness of space in our own solar system, but yet Jupiter (or is it Saturn) has positioned its self in such a way that it protects us from world destroying meteors, its like a bouncer in space, taking all the meteor hits in order to protect us.
Ask you self, are these and god knows how many other factors "coincidences"?.
If they are all coincidences then wow!!! then that is more bizarre than the notion of a conscious intelligent being, one higher than our self, being responsible for it all.
I look up at the stars sometimes, or look across the sea and know the answer
Have you ever seen a baby born, or considered the amazing coincidences it took to create that baby? Have you ever wondered what drove them sperm cells to the egg?
Have you ever seen someone achieve something impossible when the odds are stacked against them, but yet something kept them going, helping them achieve there goal?. Is that just coincidence too? I think not
All the best
Faeden
God shows me he/she is real all the time.
Think of all the "coincidences" that needed to come together for life to exist that is proof enough. There are a billion and one "coincidences" far to many for life just to be "a mistake of the universe".
Just to name a few.
The fine and delicate balance of nature and all its elements.
The fact that the moon is just the right distance away from earth to cause the tides of the seas the oceans at a safe distance from the land, so that just enough clouds can be produced for enough water to fall, so that trees can grow on land to give us oxygen for us to be able to breath.
Is it just coincidence that the sun is at a perfect temperature (and distance) that causes the world to be just the right temperature to coexist with all the other fine balances, is it just "coincidence" that all these other "coincidences" complement each other, making life possible?
Think of the vastness of space in our own solar system, but yet Jupiter (or is it Saturn) has positioned its self in such a way that it protects us from world destroying meteors, its like a bouncer in space, taking all the meteor hits in order to protect us.
Ask you self, are these and god knows how many other factors "coincidences"?.
If they are all coincidences then wow!!! then that is more bizarre than the notion of a conscious intelligent being, one higher than our self, being responsible for it all.
I look up at the stars sometimes, or look across the sea and know the answer
Have you ever seen a baby born, or considered the amazing coincidences it took to create that baby? Have you ever wondered what drove them sperm cells to the egg?
Have you ever seen someone achieve something impossible when the odds are stacked against them, but yet something kept them going, helping them achieve there goal?. Is that just coincidence too? I think not
All the best
Faeden
Always very convenient that man is incapable of seeing Gods face... and that it is our "test" to get through life without seeing him.
The other argument is that he doesn't exist, never did do, and all the reasons why he doesn't show himself are created so that religion doesn't crumble like it should have done long ago, and people can go on looking for reasons for things they can't explain with a simple "It's Gods will" or "Just have faith in God". This produces the religious crazies we see today.
Just my view.
The other argument is that he doesn't exist, never did do, and all the reasons why he doesn't show himself are created so that religion doesn't crumble like it should have done long ago, and people can go on looking for reasons for things they can't explain with a simple "It's Gods will" or "Just have faith in God". This produces the religious crazies we see today.
Just my view.
For me it's simple, HE DOESN'T EXIST.
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Zeus
Sorry SC.
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I'm lexdisic... SUE ME!
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Zeus
Sorry SC.
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I'm lexdisic... SUE ME!
For one, I don't believe in the bible.
For two, I see no logic in the belief of a "Creator" and what He/She has created.
Lastly, I need objective proof in order to believe in things that violate my own personal reality.
For two, I see no logic in the belief of a "Creator" and what He/She has created.
Lastly, I need objective proof in order to believe in things that violate my own personal reality.
Hi kaproleveh
What I wrote doesnt violate reality.
all the best
Faeden
What I wrote doesnt violate reality.
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God shows me he/she is real all the time.
Think of all the "coincidences" that needed to come together for life to exist that is proof enough. There are a billion and one "coincidences" far to many for life just to be "a mistake of the universe".
Just to name a few.
The fine and delicate balance of nature and all its elements.
The fact that the moon is just the right distance away from earth to cause the tides of the seas the oceans at a safe distance from the land, so that just enough clouds can be produced for enough water to fall, so that trees can grow on land to give us oxygen for us to be able to breath.
Is it just coincidence that the sun is at a perfect temperature (and distance) that causes the world to be just the right temperature to coexist with all the other fine balances, is it just "coincidence" that all these other "coincidences" complement each other, making life possible?
Think of the vastness of space in our own solar system, but yet Jupiter (or is it Saturn) has positioned its self in such a way that it protects us from world destroying meteors, its like a bouncer in space, taking all the meteor hits in order to protect us.
Ask you self, are these and god knows how many other factors "coincidences"?.
If they are all coincidences then wow!!! then that is more bizarre than the notion of a conscious intelligent being, one higher than our self, being responsible for it all.
I look up at the stars sometimes, or look across the sea and know the answer
Have you ever seen a baby born, or considered the amazing coincidences it took to create that baby? Have you ever wondered what drove them sperm cells to the egg?
Have you ever seen someone achieve something impossible when the odds are stacked against them, but yet something kept them going, helping them achieve there goal?. Is that just coincidence too? I think not
Think of all the "coincidences" that needed to come together for life to exist that is proof enough. There are a billion and one "coincidences" far to many for life just to be "a mistake of the universe".
Just to name a few.
The fine and delicate balance of nature and all its elements.
The fact that the moon is just the right distance away from earth to cause the tides of the seas the oceans at a safe distance from the land, so that just enough clouds can be produced for enough water to fall, so that trees can grow on land to give us oxygen for us to be able to breath.
Is it just coincidence that the sun is at a perfect temperature (and distance) that causes the world to be just the right temperature to coexist with all the other fine balances, is it just "coincidence" that all these other "coincidences" complement each other, making life possible?
Think of the vastness of space in our own solar system, but yet Jupiter (or is it Saturn) has positioned its self in such a way that it protects us from world destroying meteors, its like a bouncer in space, taking all the meteor hits in order to protect us.
Ask you self, are these and god knows how many other factors "coincidences"?.
If they are all coincidences then wow!!! then that is more bizarre than the notion of a conscious intelligent being, one higher than our self, being responsible for it all.
I look up at the stars sometimes, or look across the sea and know the answer
Have you ever seen a baby born, or considered the amazing coincidences it took to create that baby? Have you ever wondered what drove them sperm cells to the egg?
Have you ever seen someone achieve something impossible when the odds are stacked against them, but yet something kept them going, helping them achieve there goal?. Is that just coincidence too? I think not
all the best
Faeden
Repeating a post you've made doesn't really add too much emphasis or basis of reality to that post really... it just means people have to read it again. Or not...
QUOTE(SilverCougar Posted Today @ 02:33 PM )
I'm lexdisic... SUE ME!
I felt bad as it was then you had to go and say that. 
Thus why I added the at the end.. ;P
at the end.. ;P
QUOTE(Faeden @ Mar 31 2005, 11:19 AM)
Ask you self, are these and god knows how many other factors "coincidences"?.
If they are all coincidences then wow!!! then that is more bizarre than the notion of a conscious intelligent being, one higher than our self, being responsible for it all.
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If they are all coincidences then wow!!! then that is more bizarre than the notion of a conscious intelligent being, one higher than our self, being responsible for it all.
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I don't think God is the opposite of Coincidence. I don't doubt That there is a non sentient creative force in the universe that influences coincidence.
What I've never been sold on is that said force is the Christian God, and the bible is far far too removed from the reality that surrounds me to invest any of my trust in it.
And people say "Well they were words inspired by God" But ya know, I'm inspired to eat a hot dog, but that doesn't make my crap holy.
The rest of that post Faeden, was actually really very beautiful.
As for my answer to this question. I already touched on my opinion of this question in another thread.
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Just a thought...
If there were an omnipresent being, don't you think his presence would be irrefutable, undeniable? NOT open for debate? A FACT... Like gravity. As plain to see as Air or Water. Completely indisputable.
The fact that we are having this discussion pretty much proves to me that a sentient god being doesn't exist.
If there were an omnipresent being, don't you think his presence would be irrefutable, undeniable? NOT open for debate? A FACT... Like gravity. As plain to see as Air or Water. Completely indisputable.
The fact that we are having this discussion pretty much proves to me that a sentient god being doesn't exist.
QUOTE(SilverCougar @ Mar 31 2005, 03:03 PM)
Thus why I added the at the end.. ;P
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so now you are making fun of me.
Hi 2quillmadness
I dont think that God is the opposite to "coincidence" either, that is why I "quoted" every time I used the word "coincidence"
I dont really believe in "coincidences"
All the best
Faeden
I dont think that God is the opposite to "coincidence" either, that is why I "quoted" every time I used the word "coincidence"
I dont really believe in "coincidences"
All the best
Faeden
Well first off God created this physical realm. But he can choose any way to 'present' himself as he wishes. (If you are a webdesigner, you can choose how you want to appear to the viewers, by the way you talk, possibly a picture...). If God were to come down to us so we could physically 'see' God, we would all have one set image of God. Religions would worship this image, and none other. Then if God were to stop by again, in a different form, we would not believe he is the true God, and everyone would reject him. So basically God cannot set himself/herself in one physical entitiy, that is what I believe anyway.
QUOTE(LunarWarrior @ Mar 31 2005, 04:17 PM)
Well first off God created this physical realm. But he can choose any way to 'present' himself as he wishes. (If you are a webdesigner, you can choose how you want to appear to the viewers, by the way you talk, possibly a picture...). If God were to come down to us so we could physically 'see' God, we would all have one set image of God. Religions would worship this image, and none other. Then if God were to stop by again, in a different form, we would not believe he is the true God, and everyone would reject him. So basically God cannot set himself/herself in one physical entitiy, that is what I believe anyway.
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Interesting angle, mon frere..
So your saying that the different denominations are here because God revealed himself to different sects in different forms? (That would explain why different religions have different views on what he is like)
- Dark
QUOTE(Nxt2Hvn @ Mar 31 2005, 03:11 PM)
He proves to me every day that he is real..... with all that he blesses me with.
Everything I see proves to me that he is real... the trees, flowers, animals.... all that I have been blessed with... my good health... the strength that he gives me to get through the hard times.... I could go on all day...
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Everything I see proves to me that he is real... the trees, flowers, animals.... all that I have been blessed with... my good health... the strength that he gives me to get through the hard times.... I could go on all day...
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None of that proves he is real. thats is just being delusional.
I have good health - I dont believe in god
I have enough money - I dont believe in god
I have best friends I could ask for - I dont believe in god
I live in a free country - I dont believe in god
Infact, If there is a god I HATE HIM for letting millions of people die.
QUOTE(shadow_hunter556 @ Mar 30 2005, 11:30 PM)
i have pondered this question for a long time maybe I can get some answers plz give me your opinion on this
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what would be the fun in that?
Notice how people are generally whiney, needy, demanding things? Imagine being a god revealed. Now everyone would be at your doorstep with demands. If this supposed god is all knowing, he knows how humans would react to knowing he is there and knows to just keep quiet.
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QUOTE(SilverCougar @ Mar 31 2005, 03:03 PM)
Thus why I added the at the end.. ;P
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so now you are making fun of me.
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Zandore.. I'm gunna take your cookies away!
Perhaps God thinks enough signs have been given…the Pharisees and Sadducees still doubted the miracles performed by Jesus, and they saw it first hand. But, then, we only have the bible recording such events…perhaps He needs to give a refresher.
because you people aren't looking for Him... simple as that.
You guys look around and say "I see god."
I look around and I say "I see the goddess."
;P
I look around and I say "I see the goddess."
;P
QUOTE(SilverCougar @ Mar 31 2005, 09:37 PM)
You guys look around and say "I see god."
I look around and I say "I see the goddess."
;P
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I look around and I say "I see the goddess."
;P
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and i look in the mirror and say "there he is"
(i am god of my own destiny)
i look at all things living and see the interconnectedness of life and say there it is. not a god, but the power of life is in everything and its interconnectedness. The "magic" is in the whole being greater than the sum of its parts.
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