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jcb33
Well i remember hearing in the past that a stone can record events from time... if you can understand what i meen its a natural thing i heard that they play events back like seeing ghosts... and i was wandering if anyone knew what type of stone this was?
scrdshtlss
i've never seen a stone that could 'see' anything

as far as a stone recording events from time, if you mean things like extreme climate changes, or things like bodies of water, plant and animal life... then yeah they can record events.... but i dont understand how in the hell it could record SEEING anything devil.gif
jcb33
Well apparently they can get an imprint of time... they dont actualy see it they just get imprinted with it... like if you took a hammer to a wall the mark would always be there
scrdshtlss
untill you fixed the mark? unless you're talking about a far more sophisticated level of 'mark' than the physical.... in which case i would have to say that's a little beyond the means of a human to comprehend :/
jcb33
Im not sure how it worked... i just know it had events in time imprinted on it/in it
ajagsfairy
Actually it doesnt matter what type of stone it is. It can be really anything that holds imprints on it natural things work the best tho. It just depends on what strong emotions or frequencys that have taken place either near that object or with it. That is why some mediums can pic up an object and see things that happened to either the person owning it or whoever has been connected to it. I had a cool experience with this last week with a piece of wood. A person came asking for help to a paranormal meeting bringing with them a few different objects connected to an area in wich someone was murdered. One of the objects happened to be a piece of wood. We at first passed the objects around to see who got visions from it, then someone used a pendulum to see if any responses to it. Another person got out her emf recorder and then it started giving a pulse on the recorder almost like a heart beat. In the end we were able to come up with almost what had happen in the murder case without anyone in the room really knowing the details. It was quite amazing.
Elfstone810
I've come across this theory before, regarding stone.

First, the idea that some ghost sightings are caused by what is called an "atmospheric photograph" has been around for probably a century and has gained wide acceptance. The idea of atmospheric photographs is that, through some natural process we don't yet understand, under certain circumstances an audio and/or video record of an event can be recorded on the atmosphere, or possibly on the physical objects in the area. This is a theory that could well explain some (but not all) ghost sightings, specifically those in which the ghosts repeat the same actions over and over and show no awareness of their present surroundings.

Some believe that stone makes an exceptional medium for these recordings, and that this is why so many hauntings are reported in stone buildings. In his book Haunted Britain, Marc Alexander devotes a chapter to this very idea.

The best story (I thought) from this chapter was a story about something that happened to his father while he was stationed in India with the Royal cavalry. One evening he wandered off by himself and came across a clearing that had the ruins of an ancient temple. There were a lot of statues in the clearing, most fallen and broken, but one statue of a young man with a sword was still standing. Alexander Sr. sat down on a fallen column and was just enjoying the night and admiring the workmanship on this statue, when he got a horrible feeling of dread. He told himself he was being foolish, but it built to the point where he couldn't stand it and he fled the clearing.

When he ran into his mates they asked him what was wrong and he made the mistake of telling them. After that he was teased mercilessly until, to save face, he offered a month's pay to anyone who could stay alone in the clearing for half an hour at night. It got to be a kind of game, with the different members of the regiment trying for the prize, but no one ever managed to claim the money.
Caesar
WOW great topic. I think stones can hold this type of energy and can account for many typs of hauntings the most common though are Residual Haunting. I think thats why so many castles are haunted but I also think that metal can save this energy too thats why I think there are many haunted ships with residual hauntings. while this type of haunting is said to have no spirits invovled they are very difficult to get rid of.

JMHO cool.gif
jcb33
Would Limestone record ne better or worse than others?
kwai
Nosing around .Came across this .

Interesting (but long. you have been warned)

Some Musings on Things Paranormal


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For many years paranormal investigators have spoken about the ‘Stone tape’ theory as a possible explanation for certain classes of ghostly activity.
The hypothesis being that rather like a TV programme can be recorded onto iron particles coated onto a plastic tape, then events can be recorded into the very fabric of buildings or indeed the surrounding Earth. The events can be played back at a later time thus causing the viewer to interpret the playback as a ghost.

The main problem with the Stone tape theory has always been that nobody can find a satisfactory explanation as to how or why the recording actually takes places or how the solid structure and fabric of a location is able to retain the events that took place.

There is another possible hypothesis that is emerging that may well explain how such a mechanism might work and it is supported by some scientists although their research has been in an unrelated area of study and they do not seem to have made the link to it being a potential explanation for some classes of ghost.

The answer might lie in a substance that is a part of just about every location where ghosts might be found - common water!

For well over 200 years people have been using homeopathic medicines and remedies, they are used by millions of people worldwide with much reported success.
A natural therapeutic agent is given to the sufferer but this agent is often an antagonist and toxic so that in order to prevent the person from being further harmed they diluted the therapeutic agent in water. In fact they diluted the original substance down so much that effectively all trace of the original agent was removed and the patient was given nothing more than ordinary water.

Of course, science could never accept this as a real world treatment – you can’t give someone nothing but water and expect them to get better – but they got better regardless. Science simply ignored it and people continued to use the treatments without really caring how or why they treatment worked.

This all changed in the 1980’s when an eminent French scientist Jacques Benveniste, an expert in the field of allergy, made a rather strange discovery.
In particular he was studying a type of blood cell involved in allergic reactions - the basophile. When basophiles come into contact with something you're sensitive to they become activated causing the telltale symptoms. Benveniste had developed a test that could tell if a person was allergic to something or not. He added a kind of dye that only turns inactive basophiles blue, so by counting the blue cells he could work out whether there had been a reaction, but then something utterly unexpected started to happen.

A technician reported that something appeared to have gone wrong with an experiment, a solution had been wrongly diluted – to levels similar to those used by homeopaths, and yet a reaction had been observed in the basophiles, they reacted just the same as if they had been placed in the presence of the allergen.
Suspecting an error had been made the experiment was repeated but again the basophiles reacted – this did not seem to be possible.

Baffled the team carried out hundreds of experiments in which the results remained consistent. The water, diluted until all trace of the original substance was removed continued to react as if the substance was still present – the water appeared to have a memory!

The experiment was repeatable and since that time has been repeated by many researchers in labs around the World. Although there remains some controversy about this repeatability many scientists now accept that the water molecules do seem to be able to retain a memory for the substances in which they have been in contact.

Now for the purposes of this musing it serves little purpose to continue with a discussion as to pros and cons of homeopathy but let us consider the possibility that water might indeed be able to develop a memory. Instead of a Stone tape how about a ‘Water Tape’ theory?

Water exists as a component of most things – an average brick wall for instance is between 7 and 15% water, the ground also has high water content, as indeed do we!
Let us imagine that by some mechanism the water in everyday objects could have a memory of events placed into its molecules – how could that happen?

Homeopathic practitioners may again be able to help us out here – they have realised that in order to make a remedy it is an important step to strongly agitate the water at every dilution stage – they stress that this is important in order for the water to pick-up the therapeutic properties of the agent being diluted.
When they agitate the water in this vigorous fashion they are releasing large amounts of kinetic energy into the water, the water also develops a small and slight electro-magnetic charge by this rapid motion, this may well be the energy that is then used to allow the memory to be implanted into the water.

Now let’s substitute an event or person who by their actions or mental processes emits sufficient energy to allow the water molecules in nearby structures to become ‘fixed’ with a memory or record of an event that was taking place. The method may even be easier than that; imagine that our person instead simply exhales, that simple act releases a large quantity of water vapour in the exhaled air, that water vapour has an imprinted memory of the person. The water vapour droplets float free eventually bonding with water droplets in the fabric of the building or location. As they bond, the memory becomes shared and so becomes fixed into the building or landscape.

It is possible to reinforce our case for the existence of a ‘Water tape’ still further by examining some aspects of ghostly activity that are often associated with the former stone tape theory.

Ghosts seem to have a limited lifespan and almost a ‘half-life', fading with time until they are no longer observable. Water in time evaporates and as the original molecules evaporate and disperse the copy of the memory they hold becomes weaker and fainter. The original molecules would continue to pass their imprinted memory to neighbouring molecules but with each successive copy the memory becomes less clear and distinct – this would be similar to making many successive copies of a video tape, each copy generation being less clear and more fuzzy than the ones that went before it. The water may evaporate completely for example when the location is subject to high levels of heat or other desiccating factors; this would cause the imprinted memory to disappear completely.

Sometimes ghosts are seen to become ‘active’ following a disturbance such as when renovation or demolition is carried out. Again, the water tape may offer an explanation for this particular phenomena:
Deep inside some structures the water may be ‘locked’ and prevented from evaporation – deep inside the ground or inside a wall or in the foundations of a structure for example. Disturbing that security may cause the water that has been stored perhaps for decades to be released and thus permit its stored memories to be replayed. This stored water would retain a higher quality copy of the original event memory and thus the ghost may be witnessed as a strongly perceived event. Once the water has evaporated then the ghost will fade in a short time – a feature seen in certain reported ghost cases.

Ghosts are also frequently reported in places where there is a close association with water in the environment, such as a stream for example, this constant supply of water may help to retain the imprinted memory or the high levels of saturation may reduce the amount of the original memory molecules evaporating and thus retain the ‘freshness’ of the event memory recording.

Of course all this is simply nothing more than a series of speculations and musings and full of problems and pitfalls.

There remains no hard evidence for the ability of water to be able to develop a memory in the first place but it is interesting how many times in the various labs and experiments the results seem to show this ability.

How then can these imprinted memories be replayed, this could be by a reverse of the recording mechanism for example – the witness has the correct brain physiology and is able to read these recordings as they are played back. Perhaps more simply, the witness may inhale a droplet of water vapour from the air that contains a memory imprinted within it – as this molecule reaches the brain it triggers a wave of copies across the Cerebral Spinal Fluid and thus the brain sees the event as a playback of the encoded events.

How can we devise experiments to test these ideas – simply put, currently we can’t – not yet. Scientists are still struggling with the idea that water even has the ability to develop a memory. The Stone tape idea has only been tested in a very limited way and no evidence other than anecdotal has been put forward to support he notion of solid matter being able to record events. With a little time to develop the Water tape theory further and a few more minds working on the idea then perhaps a few experiments will start to be developed and tested in labs and in the field.

The whole concept is currently nothing more than the ramblings of an over active imagination but the more one thinks about it, the better the hypothesis that instead of a Stone tape we should thinking of a ‘Water Tape’.


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Booser
Yeah I think there may be something to the water and stone tape theories. The famous ghost hunter T C Lethbridge was the first to make the connection with ghosts and water I believe. He noticed that the ghost of an old woman who used to live beside him always followed the path of an underground stream.

Its hard to think how water could hold such a vivid and complex memory. It sounds like the water molecules have got their electrons rearranged which in turn affects other molecules it comes into contact with in the same way the homeopathic substance would. Maybe the stone tape - like the magnetic tape on a VCR - will be more fruitfull?
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