Celumnaz
Apr 14 2005, 02:44 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/a...eball_killing_3QUOTE
By BEN FOX, Associated Press Writer
PALMDALE, Calif. - A 13-year-old pitcher was accused of clubbing a teenage friend to death with a baseball bat, moments after the friend apparently teased him at a concession stand following his baseball team's first loss of the season.
The teen attacker, whose name was not released, was arrested Wednesday for investigation of murder and was being held at Antelope Valley Juvenile Hall as authorities prepared to take the case to prosecutors.
He is suspected of killing Jeremy Rourke, 15, after the Tuesday night Pony League game in this desert city about 40 miles northeast of Los Angeles.
The boys had no history of fighting, said Tony Trevino, coach of the Dodgers, which had just defeated the suspect's team, the Angels, when the clubbing took place.
"That's what's so shocking and so appalling," he said. "What happened? What did we miss as a community? What did we miss as parents?"
At the playing field Wednesday night, a family friend read a statement from Rourke's parents, who urged people not to demonize their son's attacker.
He "is not a monster. He's a good boy who made a bad mistake. This is a mistake that will haunt both families for the rest of our lives," the statement said.
The suspect was the starting pitcher when his team was beaten for the first time in eight games by the Dodgers, a team that went into the game with a 1-6 record.
Deputies declined to provide further details of the attack. It occurred during a regular weekday night game that attracts both children and their parents in this community of 116,000.
Ryan Gosporra, 15, said the incident began when Rourke cut in front of the suspect in the snack bar line. Neither he nor Trevino saw the attack that occurred after the last game of the night with about 40 people at the field.
But Trevino, 50, said witnesses told him the two boys teased each other before the suspect pulled a bat from his bag and hit Rourke in the knees, then the head.
After the attack, Trevino saw the suspect standing against a fence with his parents. "He looked scared. He was in shock," the coach said.
League officials said play would be suspended at the field for several days.
"We're really in a state of shock over this whole thing," league President Ken Curtis said. Rourke's father is a past president of the league.
A memorial was held at Highland High School, where Rourke attended classes. Students shared memories, and a bundle of pink and black balloons was released in honor of Rourke.
"He's just a funny kid. He liked to make people smile," Gosporra said. "You could be in the worst mood, and he would make you laugh."
RaginCajun
Apr 14 2005, 02:49 PM
"he is just a funny kid."
i don't think so. he is a killer. make an example out of him or it will set a precedent.
Walken
Apr 14 2005, 02:57 PM
Agreed. This is terrible.
_Nyx_
Apr 14 2005, 03:02 PM
Holy.......both my boys play baseball and there is always a certain amount of teasing and bad mouthing between teams. In my neck of the woods though, it's usually the parents that get riled. I've witnessed lots of face-offs and shouting matches between "mature adults". That's such a shame. This kid has the rest of his life in front of him, and now it's ruined. What's the world coming to?
twpdyp
Apr 14 2005, 03:15 PM
Look we are not talking about an open hand slap or 2 boys using their fists here. We are talking about one boy deliberatly pulling his bat out of his equipment bag and using it on another child hitting him not once but 2 times. Mistake my white backside, I take this as another example of how life is not appreciated. Kids without guidance don't see the consequences of their actions.
I have long been an advocate of parental involvment in every aspect of their childs lives. I can read my children like a book, anger, joy, sorrow, are like words written on their faces. So if I see one of my boys getting angry I can stop any potential problem and redirect him before it can ever get out of hand. We will continue to see more and more of this behavior in our society due to 2 income families and parental non-involvment. Parents if you are not fully involved in your childs life I strongly urge you to do so. Not only does it make you more aware of your childs needs, dreams and desires you may even discover that you and your child have something in common. Common ground with which you can build a relationship with you child.
ForRizzle
Apr 14 2005, 03:25 PM
From what I have read about this. The two kids knew each other. The parents of the boy who was killed have said the 13 year old (killer) was good kid prior to the murderous beatdown. The child will be charged and put away unitl 25 years old, then released. He deserves the sentence. Although the other kid was teasing and pushing his buttons, but killing somebody is killing somebody. He boiled over in a fit of rage. His team was undefeated, it was last game of the season, he was the opening pitcher, his team was beaten by like the last place team. Although that shouldnt have been a big deal.. One loss.. The teasing was obviously taken way to personally, and rage boiled over. Witnesses said, immediately after, it was apparent the 13 year old really knew what he did was wrong it began to sink in...
RaginCajun
Apr 14 2005, 03:32 PM
QUOTE(ForRizzle @ Apr 14 2005, 09:25 AM)
From what I have read about this. The two kids knew each other. The parents of the boy who was killed have said the 13 year old (killer) was good kid prior to the murderous beatdown. The child will be charged and put away unitl 25 years old, then released. He deserves the sentence. Although the other kid was teasing and pushing his buttons, but killing somebody is killing somebody. He boiled over in a fit of rage. His team was undefeated, it was last game of the season, he was the opening pitcher, his team was beaten by like the last place team. Although that shouldnt have been a big deal.. One loss.. The teasing was obviously taken way to personally, and rage boiled over. Witnesses said, immediately after, it was apparent the 13 year old really knew what he did was wrong it began to sink in...
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too late...the victim is dead by the time he finally realized that he did something wrong. may our justice system punish him to the fullest extent...
twpdyp
Apr 14 2005, 03:49 PM
Assuming this bat was in a normal equipment bag, it takes a few seconds to remove the bat. Sometimes even having to set the bag down to accomplish this. I point this out to show that the child had plenty of time to think about what he was about to do. If he had struck the dead boy with his bare hands then you would have a case of crime of passion. To my mind this rings of deliberate intent to cause harm. No crime of passion here. He hit him 2 times, in the knees and the head. To those who have never played baseball and swung a bat, it takes a bit of arm strength and deliberate guidance to swing a bat hard enough to kill. Once again evidence of the killer being deliberate and having intent.
Monkyburd
Apr 14 2005, 03:53 PM
Wow. Let's all just cut to the chase and have anarchy already.
ForRizzle
Apr 14 2005, 03:54 PM
Make no mistake, he needs to be punished to fullest extent of the law. Being stupid, over-reacting, and enraged doesn not give anyone the right to murder another. Twpdyp you are right, mistake one was pulling out a bat from the bag. Definately shows premediated intent of what was to come. I heard the whole thing from was over in under 30 seconds (from the time the bat came out of the bag). So it was impossible for bystanders to intervene before it was over.
Celumnaz
Apr 14 2005, 04:19 PM
so it's not the bat's fault? just making sure...
twpdyp
Apr 14 2005, 04:37 PM
QUOTE
Celumnaz Posted Today, 11:19 AM
so it's not the bat's fault? just making sure...
LOL, not yet anyway. I am sure that the bat manufacturer, the city,and county will somehow be held accountable. I am waiting for some knee jerk reactionary to take this tragic story and advocate a ban on baseball, bats, baseballs, concession stands and healthy athletic competition. Kind of like holding Dodge responsible for the ticket you just got in your Viper.
__Kratos__
Apr 14 2005, 06:01 PM
That will teach that other kid not to skip in line.

...Seriously now, what did that other kid think a baseball bat would do to the kid? Just give him a heck of a goose egg on his head, probably. I don't think he cried out bloody murder and slayed the kid.
TheManWithNoName
Apr 14 2005, 06:46 PM
Man this is a sad story. Just like LilaBurrows said what is this world coming too. This kid does need to be put away for a long time though.
AztecInca
Apr 15 2005, 12:51 AM
He was old enough to understand what he was doing, he had time to think about it and preceded to do it. Therfore he should be punished to the fullest extent of the law!
Mad Manfred
Apr 15 2005, 02:12 AM
QUOTE
Although the other kid was teasing and pushing his buttons
And for this reason I have no sympathy for the "victim".
But as you said, killing somebody is killing somebody and he should face the consequences of his actions.
He didn't have to kill the kid...a concussion would have been sufficient.
Elfstone810
Apr 15 2005, 06:24 AM
QUOTE(RaginCajun @ Apr 14 2005, 09:49 AM)
"he is just a funny kid."
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Just being pedantic here. I think the victim, not the killer, is the subject of that quote.
Sad story. I could see, under the circumstances, if he'd taken a swing at the kid with his fist. Beating him to death with a ball bat, though, is just insane. And, yeah, I'm pretty sure that him having to take the weapon out of his bag qualifies this under the legal definition of "premeditated".
girty1600
Apr 18 2005, 08:53 AM
Exactly! 13 is WAY old enough to know better. Lock him up untill he is in his 30's and send his folks to parenting classes. I am sorry but parents, like twp said, have to play an active roll in their child's life. I wonder if this young man had a history of anger and violence.
Fluffybunny
Apr 18 2005, 06:36 PM
That is a sad story; the kid has issues...
Just remember; guns don't kill people: Bats do...
Perhaps a bat ban is in order...then golf clubs...then cricket bats...tennis rackets... long sticks... two by fours... bricks... rocks...
JennRose
Apr 18 2005, 06:45 PM
From what I have read of the story, I honestly don't think he intended to kill the other boy. He should definitely be punished for it, but I don't think he is some sociopath and deserves to be locked up for the rest of his life.
However, one thing no one has pointed out is why losing an undefeated record would cause a kid to lash out like that. I think this only shows how much pressure is put on young kids to win in sports. There is no reason for that. Kids should be playing these games for fun, but probably coaches and parents were putting such emphasis on this "game" that is turned into a matter of life and death.
SCARLET1
Apr 18 2005, 06:55 PM
You know, I was thinking about this the other day.
They say it was "all over in 30 seconds" or whatever, so no one could intervene? I think more likely, the parents were all busy gossiping and talking on their cell phones, and weren't even paying attention until the bat came out. (Just my opinion, though) I mean, think about it; I doubt that the kid who was teasing the 13-year-old said ONLY ONE thing, and then, BOOM.
As a parent, I see other adults do this all the time -- their kids are running amok through a church, grocery store, doctor's office, or wherever, while the parents are "catching up" with a friend, or talking on the phone, or whatever. Then one kid does something to piss off the other, and they fight for a good two minutes before anyone even sees them. AND, what's worse is when the one parent sees them, but ignores them until the "stricter" adult yells at his/her kid to stop.
I'm not condoning what the kid did at all -- I'm just saying that often times adults "have so much on their minds" that when something important is going on, they're blind to it until it's too late. Kids, even 13 and 15 year-olds, need to be supervised closely. You may think they're "mature" enough to take care of themselves, but they still aren't adults. And like someone else said -- even adults can go too far. In my opinion, this kid needs to learn the consequences of going too far -- even to the point that part of his learning is done in the justice system.
~Scarlet~
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