Hi, my name is Ellie and I'm from Northern England. I wanted to get some advice about a friend.

It started about 2/3 years ago, before I knew my friend (call her S). S got into Satanism in a big way, buying the Satanic bible, cutting herself and drinking her own blood etc. She met a group of other Satanists ranging in age from 10 - 18 (S was around 11 when she joined) and started to hang around with them. About a year later (when S was around 12) they were in Whitby, North Yorkshire (Dracula apparenly landed there) and were doing an ouija board. S stayed for about 15 minutes before leaving to get a drink, taking her hand from the planchette (I heard that can leave you open to possesion). When she came back, one of the guys had a heavy nose bleed, and he said the ouija board had spelled out 'go away'. They didn't. They stayed for another couple of hours, but nothing else happened.

After that day, S got kind of weird. She got depressed for no apparent reason and although she gave up Satanim she continued to cut herself (she now receives counclling but she's still regestered as a Satanist on the internet). She can hear voices in her head calling her name, and sometimes telling her to 'Go get a knife' (her words) and to hurt and kill herself with it. Sometimes she obeys, and the voices stay until she's done cutting and then go away. Sometimes she tries to ignore them, or tels them to go, but most of the time they don't. I know she's tried to kill herself in the past - Once she got all her mother's kitchen knives and a bottle of vodka, went to the local beach, drank the vodka and stayed there trying to get the courage to slit her throat before someone rescued her. She swears that the voices were there that day, and that they possesed her.

She has told me before about seeing orbs floating around her room and that the people who lived in the house before her died (a whole family) at the same time, but no one seems to know how.

I know that the voices she hears could be the result of deppression, but S is a level headed sane person, that I can vouch for. She doesn't crave attention (in fact she hates it), and I think that the thing from the Ouija board that told them to 'go away' has somehow stayed around and is slowly hurting her more and more until she finally snaps. I just want her to be happy and normal.

This is just what I think. I wanted a more experienced opinion because most people around her exept me and her boyfriend thinks she's just weird, which is NOT helping her at all.

So what do you think? Is she possesed?

Thanks for any help you can give me.

Ellie.

Jeez... forget possessions your friend needs some help! Ouji boards can often be very addictive and many persons rely on them for social experiences. I'd get the board away from her (if she still uses it).

schizophrenic, possessed or psychotic......You don't want to be messing with Ouija boards, especially by yourself. The suicide attempts make me think she might be manic depressive. Something's the matter, but I'm not sure what my advice would be. Hopefully someone else here can steer you in the right direction. You sound like a really good friend and she's lucky to have someone who cares so much. Good luck Ellie!

She doesn't need an exorcist; she needs professional psychological treatment.

She isn't possessed but she does need help.

She should see her doctor and explain eveything to him/her straight away. Remind her that all conversations with a doctor are in the strictest confidence.

It's also important to ensure she knows that she is wanted and loved - both by her friends and her family.

I agree. I'd get her some help. These voices and suicidal attempts do not always have to be from someone possesed, and may just be depression problems.

Advise from me - DON'T BE TEMPTED TO USE AN OUIJA BOARD! No good spirits will ever answer you there!

This might not be a spirit. I did a Ouija board in Whitbey (yes, I went to the same festival).....and NOTHING is there. The place is clear...there are no evil spirits there.

Come to your senses...IF you friend is not faking this then she needs serious help.

Forget what happened in Whitbey, forget the satanism, forget everything that she started doing, she needs urgent help before she hurts herself or anyone else!

Don't talk to a forum on the internet. Talk to a proffessional.

In schtizophrenia it is VERY common for someone to
- Shy away from attention
- Have 'episodes' for example, hearing voices, seeing things.
- Believe they are possessed...

Please please do the right thing and help her...or you'll come to realise she will not last long.

I think she needs professional help...

And kids shouldn't dabble in satanism when they dont even know what it is......now...I'm not a satanist...but I have done research on the religion...

*shrugs*

Just my opinion...

Schizophrenia is characterized by profound disruption in cognition and emotion, affecting the most fundamental human attributes: language, thought, perception, affect, and sense of self. The array of symptoms, while wide ranging, frequently includes psychotic manifestations, such as hearing internal voices or experiencing other sensations not connected to an obvious source (hallucinations) and assigning unusual significance or meaning to normal events or holding fixed false personal beliefs (delusions).

http://www.schizophrenia.com/

Good sound advice in the above replies. This person does need help. Especially before she does really end up hurting herself. Take a look around the site listed here. The only thing that can end up happening here is that things will continue to get worse unless someone intervines with some help for her. Good luck to you.

Thanks for the quick replys. She hasn't used an Ouija board since the incident as far as I know, and it wasn't hers, it was an older member of the group's.

At the moment, she's receiving counselling and doctors appointments for her self-harm and she's told them all about the voices etc. They just think she's a psyco.

Yesterday I found a small bag in her schoolbag and persuaded her to show me the contents. In there was at least 7 different types of pills she'd taken from her mother's medicine cabinet. She told me she intended to take them all, and had tried earlier in the day but a friend had walked in as se was about to take them.

Problem is, she had some VitC tablets in her bag for her vitamin deficiency and some of her friends had found them and started taking them for a laugh. To cut a long story short, the heads found out and got it into themselves that she was a supplyer. NOT a good way to help a depressed person. They put her in isolation, and now she's worried that she's going to be chucked out. Although I might have helped her a bit by making one of the boys present (S's boyfriend) go tell the Head that it was all a misunderstanding, but still.

I'm going to talk to our HOY about this. It's the only way I can keep her safe, because it's not her time to go and I'm not going to lose her without a fight.

She is far from sane, my friend. She is not possessed but she is, for lack of a better word, unstable ( it may not be what you want to hear but it is the truth).



Psychopath? No; According to what you say she has done nothing to harm anyone else, thus she can not be dubbed a psychopath.

Im not sure what i could possibly say that would help the situation, so ill just end with saying: I hope everything works out well for your friend.

Oh dear oh dear this is serious and I admire your loyalty to your Friend S. Personally I believe she should be admitted immediately to a clinic if permission can be obtained from her guardians. By all means contact a doctor for advice straight away. If there are any "demons" involved here it could be drink. The bottle of vodka was available. More might be within reach. So-called "Satanist"
groups are very dangerous for the young and I believe that alcohol is a prime ingredient in their activies. It's the alcohol which leads people to experiment further. Your Friend must be kept away from alcoholic drinks at all costs! The only way this can be done I fear is for her to be placed under observation even if it is only for a short time. When she is over this present crisis I am sure you can help her through to the normal life you want for her, indeed all of us want for her. Please keep us posted as to the course of events. Let's all try to be with her in thought and Spirit. May the Forces of Positive Light be with S and with you, her true and loyal Friend. Lonecat Lonecat

As I said, I'm going to talk to our head of year about it. S's parents have split up, and one of her stepbrothers is a Satanist (so's her uncle for that matter).

I try to keep her off the drink as much as I can, but I live in a different town it's hard for me to be there all the time. The best I can do is talk to her at school then ask one of my other friends (she hangs out with her at the local kids spot) to make sure she doesn't get too drunk at gets back home alright. We're only 14 so she shouldn't be drinking as much as she does at all really.

sugar_spook sounds like she does need real psychological help, and if she's suicidal then you have to let someone know ASAP including family and teachers. Not informing them could be risking her life. She needs counselling fast, maybe hospital for a while.

btw I went to school in Robin Hoods Bay at Fyling Hall School from 13-18yrs old, used to go into Whitby every weekend.

I know. It's hard in such a rural area to get real, proper help for someone like S. Especially since S just ignores all doctors and people who try to help them. I mean, she acts like she listens, but then she just forgets it all *shrugs* but it's worth trying to help her, even if it's a one-in-whatever chance. Not a lot of doctors are willing to listen to 14 year old girl.

has your friend ever been a drug user? im not saying drugs always cause these kind of things but it can play a very large part, oftern abuse leads to skitzophrenia and obsessive compulsive disorders, but like most of the other posts say she needs to seek professional help and she needs to want to be helped, the best thing u can do is stick by her and try make her see the bright side of life and not dwell on the problems, depression is very hard to deal with ive gone throught it a few times before, good luck

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To me it sounds as though it is all in her head. She may rethink the events with the ouija board, and the whole possession thing, and think it is real. She may have became depressed over the situation, and started to hear the voices that way.

I am rather the same way, when I get real lonely and depressed I can hear voices too. But I'm not sure whether it is voices or myself. What I believe goes on in my situation now, is that a voice in the back of my head, the ashamed, lonely part of me, tries to get out, so I tell myself things.

She also may have a case of schizophrenia. I very well may too. Do the right thing and force her to a good doctor to have her talk. I'm too stubborn to go myself, and she may be too. Be a good friend and help her.

Good luck, I am sure everything will work out good.

I'm gonna say what several has already said... Be there for your friend, comfort her, make sure she knows that shes loved and cared for.

As I've tried it myself and still going through it, (just not at her level.) I know that it is something she mostly has go through by herself.

Thankyou everyone . I'm going to try my hardest to get her the help she deserves.

Take it from someone who knows.....cutting oneself, hearing voices, feeling suicidal, are but some of the symptoms of a seriously deep depression. She cuts herself to release the terrible pain she feels emotionally. I'm not sure why, but causing herself pain on the outside somewhat dulls the internal pain. The fact that got herself involved in something as dangerous as satanism is further proof of her pain. Depression of this nature can have many causes. It can be caused by a traumatic event, a traumatic childhood or by a chemical imbalance in the brain (serotonin).

I know all this because my 13 year old daughter is still in treatment for this type of depression. She was cutting herself, hearing voices, hated herself. She became anti-social and apathetic about life. We took her for help. Turns out she has a serotonin imbalance, which is now hugely helped by the proper medication (a serotonin re-uptake inhibitor). She is also in regular counceling, because the depression and everything it brings, in and of itself can be traumatic. It is important to have both the counseling and the meds. My daughter has only been in treatment for less than 6 months but she is like her old self again. She hasn't cut herself even once since starting treatment. She laughs like she used to and is being social with her friends again.

This type of depression is especially common in 11 to 14 year old females. Most especially in females who went through a very early puberty.

Hopefully your friend is receiving the correct kind of treatment, and if so you should soon start seeing a reall difference in her. Don't give up hope for her. It will mean more than you could ever know to her, if you are still there for her when she gets through this.

I almost broke my hand doing that.

Hmm. Counciling will never do it. Call A local exorsist, or perform the exorcisting on her, if not anyone else. Read up on it, The spirit probaly possessed here. Try to talk to the same spirit if you can to ask him/her to upossess?

After consulting with my Head Of Year (in confidence) we both agree that S needs more help than she is receiving. Her mum and various other people are worried, and more help is on it's way.

Thankyou to everyone who gave help . I'm going to keep posting updates on her well being.

Oh, I think I was overreacting a bit when I mentiond possesion i tend to do that when I get worried.

You are very correct. Cutting onesself is also a very deep way of knowing that you are still alive. A lot of people who self harm have said that seeing their blood flow and feeling the pain of it lets them know that they alive...and reassures them.

It's a very VERY serious problem.

I hope your daughter makes a safe enough recovery. Although the mental scarring will never leave her completly...hopefully she can reach a safe mental state and be able to get on with her life. My best wishes and thoughts go to you, your daughter and anyone else who is involved. It must be very distressing.

The same goes for you super_spook. I wish you friend all the help she needs.

Thank you. She is already doing so much better. The psychiatrist she is seeing tells us that in almost all cases of this type of depression, when it begins in adolescence it is outgrown as the brain reaches maturity (when the child is done growing). But in the meantime, for the next 5 or 6 years we have to be careful to keep her serotonin levels in balance. One thing I know for sure.....I am so glad we got her help when we did. It wasn't a moment too soon.

You're very lucky. Some parents don't notice anything is wrong....or like to pretend they don't notice. Somtimes people find it hard to accept that something is out of balance with thier child

keep us updated on how she is

poor thing x

So S turned up with a very happy mood today! It's getting a little better already... maybe it's the sun that helped.

Her parent's didn't notice anything was wrong until a little while ago... they're split up. They knew she was a Satanist, but they didn't ask her to stop. Not a clever thing.

why your friend was need help..I dont think so..she need s help not me.. I part of christian

Sorry, I didn't quite get that. I'm a little slow today... could you rephrase it?

speaka de english please

Super spook,

This sounds like a very serious problem and your friend needs professional help.
Maybe you should call Childline for some advice or talk to a teacher because you sound like a great friend but you are young yourself and its also alot for you to take on. I think its really important that an adult is made aware of this.

Here is the number:

Thanks... I've already talked to a teacher about it. She agrees with e about it.

The whole thing is getting better... she's more cheerful and she's thrown out all her razors and pills. I think it's a step forward if ever there was one.

O.K if I start drinkin my blud i'll know I am crazy!
Talk to your friend,it should help...

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reach out, and touch faith

Thanks.

maybe u need to get her on dr. phil show! not sure if he could help!

umm ok actually if u could u could surprise me with any sig i really dont kind thats a ton

Super Spook - Everyone else has said everything else - so I just wanted to say - you are an amazing friend - wish i had someone like you in my corner!!!

Cheers.

i'm sorry, but any 10 year old that came up to me saying they were a satanist would get laughed at, pretty rudely as well. The Satanic Bible *gasp* is nothing 'supremely evil' it was written Anton LaVey and basically is about worshipping the self. I doubt any kid would be able to pick that up and digest it. I remember when I was younger, it was 'cool' to own a copy of it...

And the Whitby/Dracula connection: The Dracula in Stokers novel was a FICTIONAL character, based loosely on Vlad Tepes 'The Impaler'. In his book, the ship 'Demeter' crashes on the shores below Whitby Abbey, and thats where The Count first steps foot on British soil. Nothing to do with satanism or anything...

It just sounds to me like you friend needs some councelling, and to get shot of the Marilyn Manson records....