Religion to me is a very interesting subject. Although I am not a religious person. The more I read up on different religions, s'pecailly the ancient ones the more it makes me think that man made God.
This post isn't intended in any way to offend people whom have faith, it's just my opinion on the matter.
The first recorded actual civilization is the Sumerians in Ancient Shumer. They believed in many deities, much like what the egyptians believed. They also have their own account of the Great Flood, it's call the Epic of Giligmesh. The Egyptians, the Greeks and ancient Rome came into being, with similar pagan beliefs along with many other forms of religion. The Greeks and the Romans used many myths to explain things of nature that they just couldn't understand. Therefore they believed that Gods/goddess had to have caused it. Back in that time that was their form of science. Not that they were unintelligent, they were just ignorant to what really was going on. Christianity then started and the pagan beliefs died down, mostly by force. It was unacceptable and considered an act against God.
Ofcourse we all know that their are many similarities in religions, such as very similiar teachings and stories, but with their own god(s) incorporated in it. With the same moral teachings. It seems that religion takes stories from different cultures and applies it within their own teachings.
I believe it is human nature to believe that a higher power exists. To have some kind of punishment after death or award for doing good deeds. It is a way to keep people in check. But was religion first made to do this exact reason? To keep people from doing deeds that the major powers of that time didn't want them to be doing? It all seems to come back to establishing morals within a society.
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QUOTE(Discordia Posted Today @ 02:31 PM )
The more I read up on different religions, s'pecailly the ancient ones the more it makes me think that man made God.
We did make God.QUOTE
But was religion first made to do this exact reason?
I think it is human nature to fear the unknown and in the attempt to understand early man made Gods/God to try to understand nature and religion was born.
Religion is a way to keep everyone from being bad and to keep them sane.
Examples:
1. If you be bad you go to Hell where its hot and very bad.
2. where did we come from? God made us. its an easy answer.
I find it funny we all believe in All Powerfull Ghosts in the sky but dont believe in a Jolly old fat man who give gifts to children in the winter.
Examples:
1. If you be bad you go to Hell where its hot and very bad.
2. where did we come from? God made us. its an easy answer.
I find it funny we all believe in All Powerfull Ghosts in the sky but dont believe in a Jolly old fat man who give gifts to children in the winter.
QUOTE(Cadetak47 @ Apr 15 2005, 01:51 PM)
I find it funny we all believe in All Powerfull Ghosts in the sky but dont believe in a Jolly old fat man who give gifts to children in the winter.
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I do.......
Thank you for clarifying that ancients believed that Gods/goddess had to have caused natural things!
And since you stated that the Greeks and the Romans used many myths to explain these things of nature that they just couldn't understand.
Please explain to us about the phenomenon of nature that is related with the following myth below!
Thank you in advance!
Zeus and Io
Io, the daughter of the river god Inachus, inadvertently attracted the attention of Zeus as she was performing her duties as priestess to the goddess Hera. Every night the god would whisper to her in dreams, inviting her to come and meet him in a meadow close to where her father tended his flocks. Feeling alarmed, Io told her father of these nightly visits. Out of concern for his daughter Inachus promptly sent a messanger to the Oracle at Delphi in hopes of being able to decipher the meaning of these nocturnal escapades. Regrettably for all concerned, the utterings of the Priestess were anything but promising. The herald returned with a somber message; either Inachus must forever exile Io from her homeland or both he and the people of Argos would be destroyed by a thunderbolt.
Knowing that he had no other choice but to heed the words of warning, Inachus sorrowfully drove Io from her home. It came to be that Hera, who was not able to locate her husband anywhere on Mount Olympus noticed that the earth was tightly wrapped in a mysterious thick black mist.
Immediately suspecting that Zeus was behind the odd occurrance, the suspicious goddess sped down from the heavens to investigate. Hearing the sound of her approaching footsteps, Zeus quickly changed Io into a snow white heifer. When Hera parted the hazy cloud, she found her husband sitting alone with only a beautiful white cow for company.
Knowing there must be more to the story than meets the eye, Hera requested that Zeus give her the fine looking animal as a gift. Not wanting to draw anymore attention to himself, Zeus had no other choice but to turn Io over to his wife without an argument. Hera at once ordered Argus Panoptes, a giant with one hundred eyes to stand guard over the unfortunate girl.
She could not have asked for a better watchman than Argus, for never were all of his hundred eyes closed at the same time. Io was tied to an olive tree in the Groves of Mycenae, where she was looked upon both day and night. Zeus sent his messenger Hermes to steal the cow away, but even the god of thieves found it impossible to avoid the vigilant stare of Argus. Because he was an expert in the art of trickery, it was not long before Hermes had devised a plan to save Io.
He took on the appearance of a shepherd and approached Argus playing a homemade pipe of reeds. The giant was so enjoying the sounds of the pleasant music that he invited the god to join him in the grove. Hermes sat down on a rock and continued playing, occasionally stopping to tell long winded tales of satyrs and other woodland deities.
As the god droned on telling story after story, the eyes of the giant became heavy with slumber, closing one by one with every spoken word. When all the eyes were finally shut, Hermes jumped to his feet and killed the sleeping Argus with the blade of his sword. Hera was so distraught over the death of her faithful servant, that she removed his eyes and placed them on the tail of her favorite bird, the peacock. Though it appeared that Io was free, Hera sent a gadfly to chase her rival and torment her with it's constant sting. In her anguish, Io ran from land to land but could find little peace from the winged devil that pursued her.
When she reached the mountains, Io came upon the place where Prometheus was bound. The Titan kindly offered his help by pointing out the best route for her to follow. As her journey continued, Io frantically ran along the shore in search of a safe place to catch her breath. This sea was named The Ionian in her honor.
Io finally came to rest upon the banks of the Nile River in Egypt, and it was there that Zeus restored her to her human form. She bore him a child called Epaphus, who later became one of the kings of Egypt. It was through these descendants of Epaphus that the city of Thebes, Crete and Argos were colonized.
And since you stated that the Greeks and the Romans used many myths to explain these things of nature that they just couldn't understand.
Please explain to us about the phenomenon of nature that is related with the following myth below!
Thank you in advance!
Zeus and Io
Io, the daughter of the river god Inachus, inadvertently attracted the attention of Zeus as she was performing her duties as priestess to the goddess Hera. Every night the god would whisper to her in dreams, inviting her to come and meet him in a meadow close to where her father tended his flocks. Feeling alarmed, Io told her father of these nightly visits. Out of concern for his daughter Inachus promptly sent a messanger to the Oracle at Delphi in hopes of being able to decipher the meaning of these nocturnal escapades. Regrettably for all concerned, the utterings of the Priestess were anything but promising. The herald returned with a somber message; either Inachus must forever exile Io from her homeland or both he and the people of Argos would be destroyed by a thunderbolt.
Knowing that he had no other choice but to heed the words of warning, Inachus sorrowfully drove Io from her home. It came to be that Hera, who was not able to locate her husband anywhere on Mount Olympus noticed that the earth was tightly wrapped in a mysterious thick black mist.
Immediately suspecting that Zeus was behind the odd occurrance, the suspicious goddess sped down from the heavens to investigate. Hearing the sound of her approaching footsteps, Zeus quickly changed Io into a snow white heifer. When Hera parted the hazy cloud, she found her husband sitting alone with only a beautiful white cow for company.
Knowing there must be more to the story than meets the eye, Hera requested that Zeus give her the fine looking animal as a gift. Not wanting to draw anymore attention to himself, Zeus had no other choice but to turn Io over to his wife without an argument. Hera at once ordered Argus Panoptes, a giant with one hundred eyes to stand guard over the unfortunate girl.
She could not have asked for a better watchman than Argus, for never were all of his hundred eyes closed at the same time. Io was tied to an olive tree in the Groves of Mycenae, where she was looked upon both day and night. Zeus sent his messenger Hermes to steal the cow away, but even the god of thieves found it impossible to avoid the vigilant stare of Argus. Because he was an expert in the art of trickery, it was not long before Hermes had devised a plan to save Io.
He took on the appearance of a shepherd and approached Argus playing a homemade pipe of reeds. The giant was so enjoying the sounds of the pleasant music that he invited the god to join him in the grove. Hermes sat down on a rock and continued playing, occasionally stopping to tell long winded tales of satyrs and other woodland deities.
As the god droned on telling story after story, the eyes of the giant became heavy with slumber, closing one by one with every spoken word. When all the eyes were finally shut, Hermes jumped to his feet and killed the sleeping Argus with the blade of his sword. Hera was so distraught over the death of her faithful servant, that she removed his eyes and placed them on the tail of her favorite bird, the peacock. Though it appeared that Io was free, Hera sent a gadfly to chase her rival and torment her with it's constant sting. In her anguish, Io ran from land to land but could find little peace from the winged devil that pursued her.
When she reached the mountains, Io came upon the place where Prometheus was bound. The Titan kindly offered his help by pointing out the best route for her to follow. As her journey continued, Io frantically ran along the shore in search of a safe place to catch her breath. This sea was named The Ionian in her honor.
Io finally came to rest upon the banks of the Nile River in Egypt, and it was there that Zeus restored her to her human form. She bore him a child called Epaphus, who later became one of the kings of Egypt. It was through these descendants of Epaphus that the city of Thebes, Crete and Argos were colonized.
QUOTE(Cadetak47 Posted Today @ 02:51 PM )
Religion is a way to keep everyone from being bad and to keep them sane.
But what of the ones that are insane? Does this mean that they do not believe in God? What of the ones that do not believe in God Are they insane? What of the ones that do believe and still go insane?
QUOTE(Discordia @ Apr 15 2005, 01:31 PM)
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Are you a strict materialist?
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Thank you for clarifying that ancients believed that Gods/goddess had to have caused natural things!
And since you stated that the Greeks and the Romans used many myths to explain these things of nature that they just couldn't understand.
Please explain to us about the phenomenon of nature that is related with the following myth below!
Thank you in advance!
Zeus and Io
Io, the daughter of the river god Inachus, inadvertently attracted the attention of Zeus as she was performing her duties as priestess to the goddess Hera. Every night the god would whisper to her in dreams, inviting her to come and meet him in a meadow close to where her father tended his flocks. Feeling alarmed, Io told her father of these nightly visits. Out of concern for his daughter Inachus promptly sent a messanger to the Oracle at Delphi in hopes of being able to decipher the meaning of these nocturnal escapades. Regrettably for all concerned, the utterings of the Priestess were anything but promising. The herald returned with a somber message; either Inachus must forever exile Io from her homeland or both he and the people of Argos would be destroyed by a thunderbolt.
Knowing that he had no other choice but to heed the words of warning, Inachus sorrowfully drove Io from her home. It came to be that Hera, who was not able to locate her husband anywhere on Mount Olympus noticed that the earth was tightly wrapped in a mysterious thick black mist.
Immediately suspecting that Zeus was behind the odd occurrance, the suspicious goddess sped down from the heavens to investigate. Hearing the sound of her approaching footsteps, Zeus quickly changed Io into a snow white heifer. When Hera parted the hazy cloud, she found her husband sitting alone with only a beautiful white cow for company.
Knowing there must be more to the story than meets the eye, Hera requested that Zeus give her the fine looking animal as a gift. Not wanting to draw anymore attention to himself, Zeus had no other choice but to turn Io over to his wife without an argument. Hera at once ordered Argus Panoptes, a giant with one hundred eyes to stand guard over the unfortunate girl.
She could not have asked for a better watchman than Argus, for never were all of his hundred eyes closed at the same time. Io was tied to an olive tree in the Groves of Mycenae, where she was looked upon both day and night. Zeus sent his messenger Hermes to steal the cow away, but even the god of thieves found it impossible to avoid the vigilant stare of Argus. Because he was an expert in the art of trickery, it was not long before Hermes had devised a plan to save Io.
He took on the appearance of a shepherd and approached Argus playing a homemade pipe of reeds. The giant was so enjoying the sounds of the pleasant music that he invited the god to join him in the grove. Hermes sat down on a rock and continued playing, occasionally stopping to tell long winded tales of satyrs and other woodland deities.
As the god droned on telling story after story, the eyes of the giant became heavy with slumber, closing one by one with every spoken word. When all the eyes were finally shut, Hermes jumped to his feet and killed the sleeping Argus with the blade of his sword. Hera was so distraught over the death of her faithful servant, that she removed his eyes and placed them on the tail of her favorite bird, the peacock. Though it appeared that Io was free, Hera sent a gadfly to chase her rival and torment her with it's constant sting. In her anguish, Io ran from land to land but could find little peace from the winged devil that pursued her.
When she reached the mountains, Io came upon the place where Prometheus was bound. The Titan kindly offered his help by pointing out the best route for her to follow. As her journey continued, Io frantically ran along the shore in search of a safe place to catch her breath. This sea was named The Ionian in her honor.
Io finally came to rest upon the banks of the Nile River in Egypt, and it was there that Zeus restored her to her human form. She bore him a child called Epaphus, who later became one of the kings of Egypt. It was through these descendants of Epaphus that the city of Thebes, Crete and Argos were colonized.
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And since you stated that the Greeks and the Romans used many myths to explain these things of nature that they just couldn't understand.
Please explain to us about the phenomenon of nature that is related with the following myth below!
Thank you in advance!
Zeus and Io
Io, the daughter of the river god Inachus, inadvertently attracted the attention of Zeus as she was performing her duties as priestess to the goddess Hera. Every night the god would whisper to her in dreams, inviting her to come and meet him in a meadow close to where her father tended his flocks. Feeling alarmed, Io told her father of these nightly visits. Out of concern for his daughter Inachus promptly sent a messanger to the Oracle at Delphi in hopes of being able to decipher the meaning of these nocturnal escapades. Regrettably for all concerned, the utterings of the Priestess were anything but promising. The herald returned with a somber message; either Inachus must forever exile Io from her homeland or both he and the people of Argos would be destroyed by a thunderbolt.
Knowing that he had no other choice but to heed the words of warning, Inachus sorrowfully drove Io from her home. It came to be that Hera, who was not able to locate her husband anywhere on Mount Olympus noticed that the earth was tightly wrapped in a mysterious thick black mist.
Immediately suspecting that Zeus was behind the odd occurrance, the suspicious goddess sped down from the heavens to investigate. Hearing the sound of her approaching footsteps, Zeus quickly changed Io into a snow white heifer. When Hera parted the hazy cloud, she found her husband sitting alone with only a beautiful white cow for company.
Knowing there must be more to the story than meets the eye, Hera requested that Zeus give her the fine looking animal as a gift. Not wanting to draw anymore attention to himself, Zeus had no other choice but to turn Io over to his wife without an argument. Hera at once ordered Argus Panoptes, a giant with one hundred eyes to stand guard over the unfortunate girl.
She could not have asked for a better watchman than Argus, for never were all of his hundred eyes closed at the same time. Io was tied to an olive tree in the Groves of Mycenae, where she was looked upon both day and night. Zeus sent his messenger Hermes to steal the cow away, but even the god of thieves found it impossible to avoid the vigilant stare of Argus. Because he was an expert in the art of trickery, it was not long before Hermes had devised a plan to save Io.
He took on the appearance of a shepherd and approached Argus playing a homemade pipe of reeds. The giant was so enjoying the sounds of the pleasant music that he invited the god to join him in the grove. Hermes sat down on a rock and continued playing, occasionally stopping to tell long winded tales of satyrs and other woodland deities.
As the god droned on telling story after story, the eyes of the giant became heavy with slumber, closing one by one with every spoken word. When all the eyes were finally shut, Hermes jumped to his feet and killed the sleeping Argus with the blade of his sword. Hera was so distraught over the death of her faithful servant, that she removed his eyes and placed them on the tail of her favorite bird, the peacock. Though it appeared that Io was free, Hera sent a gadfly to chase her rival and torment her with it's constant sting. In her anguish, Io ran from land to land but could find little peace from the winged devil that pursued her.
When she reached the mountains, Io came upon the place where Prometheus was bound. The Titan kindly offered his help by pointing out the best route for her to follow. As her journey continued, Io frantically ran along the shore in search of a safe place to catch her breath. This sea was named The Ionian in her honor.
Io finally came to rest upon the banks of the Nile River in Egypt, and it was there that Zeus restored her to her human form. She bore him a child called Epaphus, who later became one of the kings of Egypt. It was through these descendants of Epaphus that the city of Thebes, Crete and Argos were colonized.
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Lodge, I did not claim that all of the myths describe natural occurences, just that many of them do. I learned this first hand when I was taking classes on Greek/Roman myth. Although from one stand point, the myth of IO and Zeus describes how the peacock got the pattern they do on their feathers. I will list a few examples of myths that describe things of nature. Please keep in mind that I am listing this all from memory because I don't have my mythology book at hand.
1. Hades stole Persephone and tricked her into marrying him. Persephone is the Daughter of Demeter, Goddess of the hearth. Finally a deal was made that Demeter would get to see her daughter for half a year, and Hades the other half. The Half of the year that Demeter didn't get to see her daughter she inflicted her sadness on the earth. Making plants, crops, etc die. But when Demeter got to see her daughter she would restore the earth back to being beautiful again. Thus Describes the change in seasons.
2. The Greek creation myth, which obviously describes how they think the world came into being.
3. In the myth of Echo and Narcissus a sound phenomenon and a flower are both explained. Hera punishes Echo for being to talkative by making it so she can only repeat the last bit of what someone says. Lonely Echo wanders the forests and comes upon Narcissus drinking from a pool of water. Echo falls in love with him. But Narcissus is too busy admiring himself that he falls into the pool and a lovely flower springs up in his place. (The Narcissus flower.) Echo was devastated and wasted away until theres nothing left but her voice. Which can now be heard in caves and on mountains.
4. The myth of Phaethon describes why the sun passes from the east to the west everyday.
Need I say more? Hope this gives you some clarification to why I said that lodge.
QUOTE(Quicksand @ Apr 15 2005, 12:07 PM)
QUOTE(Discordia @ Apr 15 2005, 01:31 PM)
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Are you a strict materialist?
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Quicksand, would you care to elaborate on this? I am not quite sure what your trying to ask.
QUOTE(zandore @ Apr 15 2005, 01:47 PM)
QUOTE(Discordia Posted Today @ 02:31 PM )
The more I read up on different religions, s'pecailly the ancient ones the more it makes me think that man made God.
We did make God.QUOTE
But was religion first made to do this exact reason?
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No offense zandore, but if man made God then who made man? I mean it's not like all these beautiful things on earth popped up out of nowhere or it's not like if the big bang occured that we busted out of the planets and here beautiful earth was made compared to all the ugly nonliveable planets. I mean there has to be a God I think.. All of us didn't pop out of nowhere!!
QUOTE(starlitkate @ Apr 16 2005, 06:59 AM)
QUOTE(zandore @ Apr 15 2005, 01:47 PM)
QUOTE(Discordia Posted Today @ 02:31 PM )
The more I read up on different religions, s'pecailly the ancient ones the more it makes me think that man made God.
We did make God.QUOTE
But was religion first made to do this exact reason?
I think it is human nature to fear the unknown and in the attempt to understand early man made Gods/God to try to understand nature and religion was born.[right][snapback]573826[/snapback][/right]
No offense zandore, but if man made God then who made man? I mean it's not like all these beautiful things on earth popped up out of nowhere or it's not like if the big bang occured that we busted out of the planets and here beautiful earth was made compared to all the ugly nonliveable planets. I mean there has to be a God I think.. All of us didn't pop out of nowhere!!
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yet the suggestion of a god/gods says that:
a) we did "pop" out of nowhere
"god" poped out of nowherescience does not suggest "something from nothing", yet that is exactly what religion does suggest when it fails to explain the origins of a conscious super-power.
"each cause is the effect of its own effect" Ibn' Arabi
QUOTE(starlitkate Posted Today @ 10:59 AM )
No offense zandore,....
No offense taken. This is the purpose of this Forum. 
QUOTE(starlitkate Posted Today @ 10:59 AM )
....but if man made God then who made man?
I believe in the Theory of Evolution. That we evolved from primates.QUOTE(starlitkate Posted Today @ 10:59 AM )
....if the big bang occured that we busted out of the planets....
There is a big difference between The Big Bang (Again a theory) and Evolution.QUOTE(starlitkate Posted Today @ 10:59 AM )
....here beautiful earth was made compared to all the ugly nonliveable planets.
This here falls under evolution and we do not know enough yet about all these planets yet to know what they look like let alone if they are uninhabitable. As I have said before science continues to add to the data base. We will know at some point in time. It is just a matter of time.
QUOTE(starlitkate @ Apr 16 2005, 08:59 AM)
No offense zandore, but if man made God then who made man? I mean it's not like all these beautiful things on earth popped up out of nowhere or it's not like if the big bang occured that we busted out of the planets and here beautiful earth was made compared to all the ugly nonliveable planets. I mean there has to be a God I think.. All of us didn't pop out of nowhere!!
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Yes I agree... It just is not logical to me to think that life just started itself..
I was fishing one night wth a couple of my buddies... We got started on the whole topic of where we all came from...
Two of my friends got into the debate pretty heavily.. One of them (friend 1) is someone who doesn't know where we came from... He says he doesn't know if there is a God or not... But he was debating the side of evolution... My other friend (friend 2) is an ex christian, he has just lost all his faith... But even to him it is just more logical that life was created, so this is the side he was debating...
friend 1: "Just think... For the billions of years all this has been here, certain things happened and life just came together over such a vast amount of time... Its like a giant slot machine, and the jackpot was hit..."
friend 2: "Fine, you think that... But when a jackpot is hit the coins don't sprout legs and become alive... When you look at the complexity of things, to think how perfect it all works together... Theres no way I can look at anything and simply think it was made by chance.."
It was an intresting debate... But when my friend said "jackpot is hit the coins don't sprout legs and become alive", OMG I started laughing so hard... The way he said it, it was quite funny...
LBD
QUOTE(lightbeyondthedark @ Apr 16 2005, 07:56 AM)
QUOTE(starlitkate @ Apr 16 2005, 08:59 AM)
No offense zandore, but if man made God then who made man? I mean it's not like all these beautiful things on earth popped up out of nowhere or it's not like if the big bang occured that we busted out of the planets and here beautiful earth was made compared to all the ugly nonliveable planets. I mean there has to be a God I think.. All of us didn't pop out of nowhere!!
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Yes I agree... It just is not logical to me to think that life just started itself..
I was fishing one night wth a couple of my buddies... We got started on the whole topic of where we all came from...
Two of my friends got into the debate pretty heavily.. One of them (friend 1) is someone who doesn't know where we came from... He says he doesn't know if there is a God or not... But he was debating the side of evolution... My other friend (friend 2) is an ex christian, he has just lost all his faith... But even to him it is just more logical that life was created, so this is the side he was debating...
friend 1: "Just think... For the billions of years all this has been here, certain things happened and life just came together over such a vast amount of time... Its like a giant slot machine, and the jackpot was hit..."
friend 2: "Fine, you think that... But when a jackpot is hit the coins don't sprout legs and become alive... When you look at the complexity of things, to think how perfect it all works together... Theres no way I can look at anything and simply think it was made by chance.."
It was an intresting debate... But when my friend said "jackpot is hit the coins don't sprout legs and become alive", OMG I started laughing so hard... The way he said it, it was quite funny...
LBD
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the failing of man is to think his limited intellect can explain the universe. the universe is not a linear system. It does not fall into the realm of linear logic. It is an error to say because our limited linear logic can not answer the questions of the origins that the system itself required a creator. That is to anthropomorthize the universe. It is clear why it happens. The only tools we have come from our own perceptions and experiences thus we apply these to explain that which we are a part of. It is a failure of man, in part beause of the limits of his mind, to proclaim that a creator must exist because it is the only thing that "makes sense". The only thing that "makes sense" to such an argument is its own faults.
To understand the universe, one must first understand oneself.
"deep in the human consciousness is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. but the real universe is always one step beyond logic." - frank herbert, dune -
One thing I can't ever understand... So many creationalists say "These things just can't pop into existance!" Yet... to believe in cration, that's what happened. God just waved his hand and things poped into existance...
With Evolution, nothing popped into existance.. life evolved from one thing to another...
With Evolution, nothing popped into existance.. life evolved from one thing to another...
QUOTE(starlitkate Posted Today @ 10:59 AM )
I mean it's not like all these beautiful things on earth popped up out of nowhere
QUOTE(starlitkate Posted Today @ 10:59 AM )
I mean there has to be a God I think.. All of us didn't pop out of nowhere!!
QUOTE(SilverCougar Posted Today @ 03:12 PM )
One thing I can't ever understand... So many creationalists say "These things just can't pop into existance!" Yet... to believe in cration, that's what happened. God just waved his hand and things poped into existance...
That is one aspect of that post I did not think of. Good catch SC.
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To understand the universe, one must first understand oneself.
"deep in the human consciousness is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. but the real universe is always one step beyond logic." - frank herbert, dune -
"deep in the human consciousness is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. but the real universe is always one step beyond logic." - frank herbert, dune -
I will use the above as an example from a "Believers" point of view as to "why" those non-believers do not believe.
To understand the universe, one must first understand oneself "and" God.
Non-believers deep down in their human consciousness have a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense.
But the Real Universe, life, GOD is always one step beyond logic
QUOTE(Curiousofall Posted Today @ 04:15 PM )
Non-believers deep down in their human consciousness have a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense.
I have given LBD a chance to change his words on a post. I am giving you that chance now....Are you sure you want to say this? Do you want to word it different?
QUOTE(Curiousofall @ Apr 16 2005, 12:15 PM)
QUOTE
To understand the universe, one must first understand oneself.
"deep in the human consciousness is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. but the real universe is always one step beyond logic." - frank herbert, dune -
"deep in the human consciousness is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. but the real universe is always one step beyond logic." - frank herbert, dune -
I will use the above as an example from a "Believers" point of view as to "why" those non-believers do not believe.
To understand the universe, one must first understand oneself "and" God.
Non-believers deep down in their human consciousness have a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense.
But the Real Universe, life, GOD is always one step beyond logic
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be careful how you interpret me
. "gods" are human creations to me to cover for the fact that we can not explain everything and have a need for artificial boundaries, and artificial order."god" fails all logic. the idea of a creator creates nothing but questions, and provides no answers at all. It the ultimate excuse to not ask, to not care, to not know.
The last thing I, as a nonbeliever, has is a need for a logical universe. In fact I argue that linear logic can not explain the complex system that is the universe. To say something just made it is to demean all of existance!
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