I hate it so much when peopel don't believe in god or jesus but go in teh bible and take something out and go "look, the bible says there are UFOs! Ithink the bible is fake but if I think UFOs are in it, the ufos are real!" you believe in the bible or you don't there is no half and half! if they don't believe in god, adn the bible says aliens are real, don't believe that ehiter

Hi fallingalien

Many people twist the bibles words to suit there own beliefs. I think if your content and comfortable with your own beliefs in the bible, why should it matter what others think?

All the best
Faeden

The bible is just for fundementalist zealots to beat us over the head with...thats why they are made so heavy! I think this christian phenomenon is way out of hand...they miss the fundemental rule in thier own religion "judge not". When they become christians they feel morally superior then go about the world trying to "convert" weak-willed people to be miserable and fearful like themselves...why can't they live and let live? Damned pharisees!

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I am frightened and confused...

One of the major reasons I do is that some (Not all) Christians try to say it is the ultimate truth and I like to use their own book against them.Why?

cause zandore is on the loose... lol

LBD

I agree, with everything you have said here. *Copy & Paste*

Same here Silver.

I'm not quite sure what you're saying, but I think you're getting at double standards; people say they dont beleive in the bible then decleare that it mentions things specific to their intepretation. Am I close?

Hey now......I like cats!

Because I'm not entirely sure what this guy just said... and... what happened to make him hate... and why it's directed to people who don't believe in god or jesus...

I think he was just venting some frustration. We all do that at times.

Yeah, just what I mean. all I'm sayin is, if you don't believe in the bible, don't find something that says aliens are real and say the bible says it so aliens must be real! I don't judge and tiger avatar guy ( I like your avatar) don't be scared lol adn who called me some kind of thing name?

Where are you getting this aliens thing?

Sure theres a half and half. If a texts talks about god, but has something in there that you can interpret to mean something like alien, then you sure can believe that the text is semi correct: as in, they see a phenomena (UFOs, aliens, etc.) but they attribute a godly view to it.

I agree that christians believe they are morally or spiritually superior, but I'm here to say that we shouldn't, but please don't blame that on just the Christians. Everyone in every other religion has that same belief. A pagan would believe they were superior because they found the right religion, etc...

I don't like those preachers who go around and say, "If you don't join right now, you're going to hell!" That's wrong! That'll only push people further away. Christians need to show people how much God loves them, then let them make their own decision. You chose whatever religion you want. There should be no pressure.

Accually, a Pagan would never believe them superior because thier religion is "the right one". Infact, when the question of which is right, the answer is usually "This is right for me yes, but may not for you..." And encourage the questioner to study all that they wish to know.

The only "pagans" I could think of to think them superior, si the little teens who haven't a clue as to what they really want.

he is 100% right and you can't hide from it, if you read the bible, it says Jesus, the only god that has claimed to have rise from the dead. All the other gods are still in the ground dead, false, fake, dead. I have nothing againest any type of person but, its true, nobody found jesus's bones.

Read the story on Osiris. He was killed, found by his consort and thier son, Isis and Horus. He was Resurected and assended into the Egyptian version of "heaven".

The Native American gods had a habbit of dieing and comming back.. Coyote was natorious for this. Other gods that were ressurected are Adon, Osiris, Phoenix, and Quetzalcoatl.

So, the idea of a deity dieing and being ressurected then assending.. isn't just limited to Jesus.

And please, I ask not to call my gods fake and false.

Im agnostic but more pagan than anything, and I would never even think to say something like that. I hate superiority claims, because they're always false. No religion is better than the other, they're just religions. Instead of bickering about your religions, actually start practicing them!

And I agree, I hate the preachers who try and "Save souls" by telling them the only way to not go to hell is to convert. It's not right pressuring people like that, it's not right trying to scare and strip people of their choices like that. Those preachers are just as greedy as they claim Satan to be.


Exactly. They're just as bad as the preachers. They think they are god-like if they can "cast spells" or if they have knowledge of anything else but the bible. Im not denouncing casting spells [hell no] but simply the amount of ignorant people that dare say they are better because of it. It seems to be breaking the rules the religion that they "follow" sets.

My girlfriend told me something that a priest had once told her "The true believers are those who see no rules in belief" Which is so true.
The bible is, to me, a load of wash. Honestly, do most people know that 90% of their bible comes from Taka? I agree that someone who backs something up with any religious text usually loses credibility (using 2000 year old religions as reasons for why gays shouldn't get married?).
As for Paganism, I think it's become more of a trend these days than a religion, but to those who are true believers: You go!
But I think media is angling every religion the wrong way. Every religion is always shown from it's worst side to us (exept the state-religion of course). Some time ago I had a discussion with an american girl who was ranting on how Islam is an evil religion (which is ridiculous) and backed it all up with the bible. So, what do we learn from this?

If you have a belief, then listen to your heart and not a crummy old book, because you'll feel a lot better. I sure did.

I agree with the trend thing... as I stated.. it's mostly with the Teens who haven't a clue and do it to be cool. It gives those of us who are Pagan a headache and a bad name with the general public.

*woke up on the wrong side*

To emphisize... That is why alot of the times when a teen expresses intrest I tell them that spells are not like Buffy or the Craft or Sabrena... and then tell them what are the good books to check out, and emphisize on research... If by the time they feel that they still wish to walk this path.. we can go from there. But I have found that after the first couple of books.. they deside it's not worth it just to be "cool" and go find something else... like body piercing ;P

Agreed, I do think that Christians are highly stereotypicalized (is that even a word?) by many others. I do understand that many are people who force matters. But again, many are not.

yeah.. but not only are christians stereotyped but as are all other religions.. and nobody should say which is right or wrong.. because no matter what, we will all find out in the end... why cant we all just get along and wait for the truth to be shown to us??

Ya but faeden dear isn't that what you did is where the bible says hell has fire. And you stated you think it's complete opposite of fire which is dark and cold. I mean isn't that twisting the words of the bible to your beleif?

I don't go to churches that say you must sign your name to the church book or that you will go to hell if you hit side of that hill on way home if you don't renounce your sins and repent. that's bull! God says as long as you have one last breath in your body, you can be saved by his glory!!

I agree dear. It seems alot of Paganism is based more on a trend and free fun spirit trend than religion. I mean I know some pageans and alot of them wear the jewelry and clothes and such but how many do we see getting up devoted to reading the pegan bible or practicing they're spells or whatever every single day. I say if you claim to belong to a religion, then fully follow with it. Now I'am not talking about all pegans, just ones I know of.
Like I beleive in Chritianity but I don't claim to be a Christain and not follow..why? cuz I'am not a Chritian. I'am not a born again. But I do beleive in Christianity. And when I do, I will make sure to dedicate my time to my religion besides wearing WWJD bracelets for trend.

[COLOR=red]But like I said-I'am only speaking of Pegeans I know of, not talking about anyone here.[COLOR=red]

omgs .. Pagan! PAGAN! >D

It takes all times, and there are all types that can make any faith look horrible.

And hey, can't judge a person by thier jewlery and clothes... what I wouldn't give to be slim enough to wear some of those free flowly dresses...

Thats because Jesus's bones arent on earth. He ascended to heavan. Do some research.

Also, I wonder how many bones of people from BC you've found? Have you got Hitlers bones, I wonder? Didn't he die less than a centurey ago?

You can't find his bones, huh?

Of course Jesus doesnt exsist! If he did, we'd find his bones!

Hitler didn't exsist either, I guess.

Yes but I wouldn't make a statement that wasn't true. I've spent 3 yrs. with these people. I know what I'am talking about cuz for about 3 yrs. I followed Pagean religion. I had everything, I even made my own robes and such. Was even offered money by some company to make them for them. But ya I know cuz I seen. These friends I had didn't get up and do spells and devote time to it. They would sometimes read a fancy book or go on a hunt and for what? But no, it was more like a fun thing for them. Whereelse I devoted alot of my time. I even had a friend at the time that would get angry cuz I was so serious about my religion that she wouldn't let me touch her books cuz she said she don't let anyone. Whereelse the poor books just sat up on the book shelf and collected dust. Like I said, I wasn't talking about anyone here? But do you get up and cast spells and devote everything to your religion? Just a question?

Haven't you read john, chapter five, verse four? it says:

And yea, John and James took shelter under the rock, for all around the storm raged. And then John, shielding his eyes looked towards the heavens and saw what looked like a big shiny disc with portholes and stuff on the side.And he did look upon his brother and say unto him, "Isn't that a UFO up there?"

James took notice of the object in the sky and shook his head saying, "Nah, it's prob'ly just an aeroplane or a weather balloon". But the object hung there still and John reprimanded his brother, "you complete donkey! Aeroplanes haven't been invented yet, nor have weather balloons for that matter. Honestly! I sometimes wonder why this Jesus chappy lets you hang around at all, you muppet!".

"What's a muppet?" James did reply.

"Forget about it", John said solemnly.

"No seriously, what's a muppet? I want to know". And thus the conversation, stilted tough it was meandered throughout the night.

Something like that anyway

Yes, I do devote my life and spirit to my Goddess... as well as the others that I worship. But I don't let my beliefs lead me around blindedly. I accept that this path isn't for everyone, and I also don't let the legends of old dictate science. To me, that would be folly.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to mention the name of the site, but I have seen Hitler's bones at Rotten.com. They have Hitler's bones.

My grandmother was a Catholic growing up and she told me that she left the church because a nun told her that her mom was going to hell just because she wasn't a catholic. What kind of crap is that? You don't tell people that. You don't go around telling people you're right and everyone else is wrong and they're going to hell because they don't follow. I go to places like this site and defend my faith against others, but I've never told anyone they're going to hell. It's wrong.

Silver Cougar, you like to constantly argue with Christians against Jesus, so let me ask you this. What proof do you have that the goddess you worship exists? Why devote your life to what you call a "legend of old"?

that question (its essence) can be asked of anyone who follows a belief without quetioning it, without reason, without evidence.

of course the answer can simply be that it provides the coping mechanism they need to function.
(not answering for SC, but offering a general perspective)

Saucy.... how can you worship your god, when there's no proof of him existing?

And why do you care really if I do worship the Goddess... And I don't argue against Jesus.. FOR THE LOVE OF THE GODS! I argue against the steaming pile of ignorance that rifles through here all the time. Infact everytime my fur stands up is when someone comes in here saying that my faith is false, and a mortal sin, among whatever else.

Sure you can call me ignorant against the Christian faith, but I keep my mouth shut half the time because I *KNOW* that if I say something, just to even question something to get a clerify something that confuses me you or someone will go off on how I'm bashing it. I'm bloody *SICK* and tired of this garbage.

The Proof of the Goddes is as simple as the seasons changing, the warmth from the earth, the tress and grass... I see Bast in every eyes that belong to felines, inclueding my own... Everytime I make love to my mate, I see the Great Rite.. the Holy Union between the Goddess and God... and no, I don't mean the Christian god.. so please, don't even blast me away at that.

It's all proof to me, like you see the world and call it proof of your faith. So do *NOT* presume there's none for me. By the gods every breath that I take these days I thank them and the Goddess that it's not my last because I know that any one could be.

If this offends you do, then tough. I am *PROUD* of my faith, and proud to share it with who asks...

All I ask is that people be aware, and that they chose thier paths logicaly and not blindly. ANd *DEFFINATLY* not to look down on others for it.

How *DARE* you claim I hate your faith... If you notice I tend to get along with people, no matter what they believe, as long as they show me the same respect. As soon as that respect is gone, and the additude of "How could you not be...?" or "You're commiting an evil sin!" or "In God's eyes you're wrong.." THAT'S when I have a problem.

Ya dear, that would bother me also. That is totally not right! For someone to say that! That saddens me that someone would do that. But what saddens me even more hun is that not all christians are like that.There are good people out there that dont do that. I mean if my faith was strong and I stood by my beleifs then nothing noone said to me would change my faith. That was just a bad nun she ran ito. Not everyone is like that!!

SC if you want you can PM those comments to me and I will post them.

Amen saucy...

Judge not, that you be not judged. - Matthew 7:1

I see proof everywhere I look... But hey, thats just me...

LBD

Then why question God's exsistence and Christian beleifs like I have seen you so many times do? Just wondering? Cuz isn't what you said go same thing for you and your beleifs?

That is the point. You should question the existence and reason for your beliefs. If you don't, and if you simply say "This I believe because it is what I was taught." then you are no better than the sheep in the field, blindly following the herd to whatever destination it happens to be heading.

I firmly believe that we have intellect and the ability to reason FOR a reason. If, as some of you believe, there is an ultimate creator, then we would be doing Him/Her/It a great disservice to NOT utilize the gifts that have been given us, no?

zandore, ur funny...LMAO!!!HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

SC... post the comments... i know i am a christian and all, and i may have done it also, but saying that u are bashing is totally rediculous... most of the time it is US christians that do the bashing... and i apologize for any evils or bashing i have and will committ...

read the rest of my post...
(that really gets annoying)

Zandor, no ;P

LoG, you shouldn't have to appologize... But it's cool man...

I agree that christians believe they are morally or spiritually superior, but I'm here to say that we shouldn't, but please don't blame that on just the Christians. Everyone in every other religion has that same belief. A pagan would believe they were superior because they found the right religion, etc...

I agree with you !

I don't like those preachers who go around and say, "If you don't join right now, you're going to hell!" That's wrong! That'll only push people further away. Christians need to show people how much God loves them, then let them make their own decision. You chose whatever religion you want. There should be no pressure.

I think that we also should show God's love and if we are not we are being hipocrits. We shouldn't push religion onb nobody we should pray for their salvation and when it is time after we have shown God's love they will understand what is like to be a true Christian.

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