I was browsing through Live Journal communities on cryptozoology when I came across one and found a strange entry. It was about something that attacked a deer and ripped it in half on an isolated part of a bank on Loch Ness. Two peole with a camera came across the carcass and used a screwdriver to pry the tooth out of the deer's rib. It was "about 4 inches long, barbed and very sharp!" Could this be one of Nessie's teeth?

Related links:

http://www.lochnesstooth.com/
http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2005/4/emw226278.htm
http://loch-movie.tripod.com/

I've never seen anything like that before. The fact that it is also barbed, thats a big rarity. Estimating the length and size of the tooth, it must have been a very large creature. Think of shark teeth, by the looks of the tooth pictured, I might rather wish to tango with the shark.

That's actually the horn of some species of antelope..Look at it closely and you'll see what I mean..

It would be cool if it was real, but I think I might lean toward the antelope explanation.

Why would an antelope horn be lodged into the mangled carcass of a deer? Are there even antelopes in Scotland? I dont see how that fits.

Aye, I'm not familiar with any species of antelope in Scotland. Plus, if it is a horn, wouldn't it be from a very young juvenile? Remember, the item is only about four inches long. Thats quite tiny.

If it were just an antelope horn too, why would Scottish officials be so quick to confiscate the item and not return it if they studied it and found it to be just a horn?

The only thing that makes me think is that lump/barb/prong thingy.

Here you're assuming they even took it out of the deer to begin with..It's probably a hoax...But look at the blackened end. That doesn't happen on teeth, which stay white or yellow unless severe decay has set in..And note also that it is smooth and whole, so obviously no decay is present..
Now look at the bottom of the "tooth". Do you see the slightly rounded area at the base? That's where it attaches to the outside of the antelopes skull. It's rounded to absorb shock..Antelopes often use thier horns as weapons in breeding displays so they need that..Whereas your average tooth is less round at the bottom so it fits into a jaw better..Finally the very bottom brownish area doesn't look like the root of a tooth, but it does look remarkably like the base of a horn..

Oh yes, for Fable..Some antelopes can be quite large, although some species are barely more than a foot tall. That could well be from a juvenile of some species, though..

I'm inclined to be skeptical in this case because there is no footage of the tooth inside the deer, and the explanation of it being taken away seems a little fishy. It could be that one of them had a horn of another animal, and photographed it, and then made up the story. The proof they show are the two people being interviewed and the tracks. The two people interviewed seem a little unsure of the story and details they are giving. The tracks look like a small stream. Overall, the situation seems a little strange to me. If it they get the tooth back, and it does turn out to be Nessie, I will be thrilled, but until then I don't think this seems true.

Falco Rex, did you even click the first link I posted? It shows pictures in which the tooth is clearly lodged into the carcass.

If it is an antelope horn, where would the two guys have gotten it? How would they have lodged it into the carcass? Why would Scottish officials not return it or say it's a hoax since they have somebody studying it?

Original, as for there being no footage of it being inside the carcass, click the first link I posted. It has pictures and footage.

I'm not saying I believe it's the tooth. I'm skeptical, but I need more info to back up either that it's a tooth or that its from an antelope or some other horned animal.

prolly a horn from a diff animal and someone put it in a deer to hoax it

I see your point Falco. I did notice the base of it which does indicate that it would have been attached to the skull. My biggest question now is what species is it from? Perhaps they were using a juvenile horn to just further their story so there would be 'photographic evidence'.

Don't get all angry young MadEye..I saw the picture. I was thinking along the lines of what conspiracy just wrote. But it was a long post and I left a line or two out to save people who had to read it..And you can buy antelope horns. They're easily obtainable in Africa; and even here in America you can order them through Native American type catalogs and such..
As to the Scottish Officials..I don't know. But we have only thier word that they were even involved. If they were they'd still have to take it and study it just to be sure..

..It does look a bit like it might have come from a juvenile Pronghorn, but I'm not exactly sure..

*Edit-I've just spent a few minutes checking E-Bay for horns and antlers and the listings are just endless. I don't think buying some would be a problem.. *

Here is another theory. I was doing some searching around and came across a completely different species that may contribute to what this item is. Spider crabs are found throughout Scotland and their front pincers look oddly like what is shown. Plus, it could also account for the way the base looks as well.

Wow! Their back legs look exactly like the supposed tooth! Good find! And here I was playing around with deer..

Eh... I always pictured 'Nessy' As a veggie eater with flat teeth and such. But yes.. i agree, the picture does not look like a tooth.

Well, you could still account maybe the muntjac for it as well. I looked at the pronghorn and the red scottish deer also. I would say that it either is a spider crab, or the muntjac though. It still is very interesting.

any chance it could be a tusk from a wild boar?

It looks far too pointed and sharp to be a tooth, I like the throry of the crab.. Nice find Fable and I think it is a claw of something like the crab something that needs shart pointed claws to climb.

Heres a wild theory. Maybe a guy had some plaster, got bored, and made a 'tooth' then flung it at a deer.

Horns are sold... one can easily buy one and paw it off as a tooth.

Hmm.. I'm thinking Dik Dik... or some other young antelope in africa...

Sorry that sounded angry! Just trying to get some more facts about antler stuff and more to your theory. Thanks for answering my questions. I'm pretty skeptical about the tooth too, but thought Id make this topic to find out more.

Nice find, Fable!

It is a good find, I think it is too sharp to be an antler or a tooth, I am swayed towards a Talon of some sort but I keep drawing blanks in trying to find out what??

why could it not be a t-rex tooth or some other dino that was there before the loch was formed a was preserved under the water is that possible?

If it's a tooth then it's definitely alien........ And if the story is true then I'm a 6 inch leprechaun called George.

btw the first photo in that sequence was not taken on Loch Ness.... And I doubt those behind the hoax have ever been to the Highlands. 'Water baliffs' confiscating cameras. Yeah right! What's a water baliff?

I'm with Fable on this one, the calcified base points at it being an antler.....as far as I am aware neither teeth nor talons have such a feature. Also as regards it being a talon.....surely it is way too straight?





lol yes we DO have water bailiffs in Scotland. To put it simply they are there to police our waterways and they do have the authority to confiscate ( altho I also believe this story to be utter rubbish)

Nope, boar tusks are not barbed like that.

I have also yet to see a tusk that goes to such a sharp precise point?

True - tusks (at least boar tusks) don't usually have a point like that on the end. That doesn't mean you want to find yourself on business end of one though.

Tusks and antlers are usually worn down through use the picture is pin point perfect, like the end of sharp claw.

Any reason why the point sould not simply be broken off? or deliberately shaped?

No reason what so ever although I don't believe from looking closely at it that is has been shaped or broken, it maintains the same colouring and is consistent in shape... It looks like some sort of talon or part of a leg for climbing as it curls to a point at the very end which would aid climbing, lobsters or crabs, it is a good postand has me thinking.

I've been to Loch Ness more times than I can remember and its easy to see why people see things there, usually they mistake it for "the monster" and then a sighting is born.

When I first saw the “tooth” I was sure it was an antler of some kind. The base is just so much like one.

In my opinion its a hoax. The carcass is way too clean. No blood (don't say it could be sucked out by some vampire action). The "tooth" looks like its been push straight into the flesh. Think about how an animal would lose a tooth. It would mot just go straight in and come out of the monsters jaw. It wouldn’t have any teeth left by the time it had finished.

The two guys being interviewed didn’t seem credible. The main one uses the words “trailer park”, perhaps some of out Scottish members can say what they would say? Trailer park or caravan site? He also sounded like he was saying “lines” in parts.

“The path of the thing that slithered and slid” doesn’t look any different to a muddy trail I’ve seen 100’s of times round Loch Ness, Oich and Lochy.

I believe it to be a hoax. You ask what is an antler doing in a deer, but what do you see? You see what they have shown you. How hard is it to place something in the deer and then go back and film it?

Think guys, this is what hoaxers do. They don’t tell the truth a hoax is there to deceive.

I agree Dogboy, I am sure this is a fake, I also have spent many hours at the loch and many wonderful family holidays, it is easy to see once you are there that "yes something could live here". I think many on this post would agree that the tooth/claw/antler/horn whatever it is, has been planted as for the slide marks on the side of the Loch, they are no dofferent to canoe entry points or indeed many other drainage muddy trails around most lochs as you mentioned, however I do need to try and identify that damn tooth thing?

I am very interested in learning more in regards to the Loch Ness Monster. If someone could E-Mail me with more about this tooth I would be Grateful, thank you!

nessiecurious.. welcome to UM. All the info on this tooth is here at the moment, I have emailed the guy that said he found it but as yet had no reply.

Why would you assume this guy is for real. It is very convenient that his stuff was confiscated.

We assume until we know otherwise, I think that we have identified this is probably an hoax but I am now interested in identifying the tooth?

I was debating whether or not to email that person myself, but you beat me to it. If they reply, let the board know what they say please.

I'm glad that someone did email him. Honestly, I'm surprised that it is an address that actually works. I'd also like to know if you hear anything back from this guy.

odd thats a weird tooth but very cool

I wonder where they got the deer from? it ripped in half!

I will keep you posted if I get a reply that is.. I emails both the guy and the bill email address asking for more info or if they could elaborate a little more on the trip and find?? We will see what comes back.

Deer are in abundance in Scotland finding a Deer is not a problem.

People, what is to discuss here? Haven't you seen a horn or what?

I'm not sure if this has been said yet, buuut...

I've collected young sharks' teeth, well not exactly me but anyways, I do own about five of them. Yes, anyways, you said that teeth turn yellow/white depending on decay; the teeth that I own are all a shade of the blackish-blue color found on this Nessie 'tooth'. I'll have to agree with you on the whole bottom area looking nothing like a root. BUT if you take a look at this picture, you’ll see what I’m talking about, for the coloration and all that jazz.

http://www.dreamworlds.org/images/Mako%202.JPG

Most sharks’ teeth are bluish in color, and I honestly say (from the deepest pit in my heart) that I feel this is not a hoax.

Forgive me for not reading all four pages x-x

Good point... I still am not convinced it is an horn, I have never seen a horn go as sharp at the end has that, it also has a slight curve to it, horns are generally worn at the point.

maybe the horn was altered beforehand, in order to make it look less like a horn that exists on a real animal, filed down, or polished smooth who, knows could be a hoax...

Now that is a possibility... here it is again to have a closer look.