My personal theory is yes and I will give you my reasons for this belief.
Their are billions of galaxies out in space-the further we can see, the more there are.
Each Galaxy is made up of a average of 300 billions of stars.
If only 1% of stars have planets( 1% of a billion=1 million) that makes 300 million planets.
If 1% of planets have life on them that makes 3 million planets with life.
If 1% of those planets have intelligent life, that makes 30,000 planets with intelligent life.
If 1% of thoses planets have intelligent life equal to or greater than our planet, that makes 300 civilizatons at or past space travel.
Take those 300 times the billions of galaxies and you start to see my point. It is a pure numbers game. Save for religion, how can we think that among all the trillions of stars, billions of planets we are the only intelligent life out there........
If Intelligent life is out there, has it come over to our planet now or in the past-maybe.
We have only been sending rf (radio frequency) signals for a short time-under 100 years.
But lets say "they" detected these signals and came to investigate them-if/when we have the technology to travel space the way we do roads, I am sure we would.
OK, lets say contact was made-either through design or crashed craft-whatever the reason. Would our/any government tell their population, much less the rest of the planet-NOOOOOOOO!
Why? Ok, good question. First, think-any technology found or even given to us would take a long time to back engineer and make work/duplicate. Don't think so-take a good handheld computer-400MHZ 128Megs ram...back only 100 years. It would be magic/whichcraft. It would take another 30 years to have microscopes good enough to see the fine wires in the chips. It would take another 20 years to figure out they made transistors with those wires........
Now what if a technology was 100's, thousands evens millions of years more advanced than what we have now. That assumes they uses the same kind of technology we do-or will.
Think of the advantage that would give you over every other nation on the planet.......
Here is another very good reason, even now-many people across the planet would go crazy at finding "alien life" not of this planet. The worest -IMO-would be the overly religious ones-a large majority of the population.
How do we do this and not cause civilization to crash? Why we do it the same way people are decentisised to things that scare them-like spiders. You get them used to the idea. You slowly get them to the point where they can talk about them without freaking out. Next you work on them by getting them to slowly accept a picture of a spider. Next, you get them to see one on another room, through a window. Then in a box in the same room, then not in a box... till they are ok with it.
Now replace spider with ufo/alien and think about how over the last 40-50 years there has been more and more about ufo/aliens on tv,radio, print. Also notice how as time has gone by, the idea is slowly being made more acceptable in the mainstream, till one day we are calm enough for our government(s) to anounce that they exist.
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Okay, I'll post one thing here that I've posted before, and then you tell me how many planets there might be that share this significance..........
Our moon. Even the evolutionists admit that without the moon, life could not have evolved on this planet. The moon is absolutely essential to our being here. Yet, in proportion to the rest of the solar system, it is completely out of place. Venus is nearly the same size as Earth, so why no moon?
In every single computerized model that has been run on accrection theory, the moon shouldn't exist at all. Is it merely a freak of the cosmos? A cosmological winning lottery ticket?
Maybe.
But there's more.
A total eclipse. When one happens, the moon in the sky is the exact same size as the sun in the sky. Now, the chances of this are absolutely astronomical. (pun indended)
But it goes even further than that.
The moon has been slowly and steadily moving away from the Earth. It is NOT in an orbit that causes it to remain at the same distance. It never has been. 65 million years ago, if you were to look up in the sky, the moon would be much larger in the night sky than it is now.
And 65 million years ago, total eclipses were more common. Why? Because the moon in the sky was much larger than the sun was.
But now we get to the point in Earth's history where there is intelligent life on this planet. Indeed, the first ones to even notice an eclipse of the sun. And what do we have?
The human race, in geological terms, is a mere speck on the time chart. 1/100,000,000th of our planet's history. But the moon has been around for at least 2/3 of our planet's history.
So how is it, that if the moon has been around for so long, that it is just now, at the dawning of intelligence on this planet, able to perfectly eclipse the sun in the sky?
And if you don't understand what I mean by perfectly, I mean PERFECTLY. To a millionth of a degree.
That didn't happen until intelligence on this planet developed.
Do you understand the odds of this happening? They are SO ASTRONOMICAL that they couldn't even be calculated.
Our moon. Even the evolutionists admit that without the moon, life could not have evolved on this planet. The moon is absolutely essential to our being here. Yet, in proportion to the rest of the solar system, it is completely out of place. Venus is nearly the same size as Earth, so why no moon?
In every single computerized model that has been run on accrection theory, the moon shouldn't exist at all. Is it merely a freak of the cosmos? A cosmological winning lottery ticket?
Maybe.
But there's more.
A total eclipse. When one happens, the moon in the sky is the exact same size as the sun in the sky. Now, the chances of this are absolutely astronomical. (pun indended)
But it goes even further than that.
The moon has been slowly and steadily moving away from the Earth. It is NOT in an orbit that causes it to remain at the same distance. It never has been. 65 million years ago, if you were to look up in the sky, the moon would be much larger in the night sky than it is now.
And 65 million years ago, total eclipses were more common. Why? Because the moon in the sky was much larger than the sun was.
But now we get to the point in Earth's history where there is intelligent life on this planet. Indeed, the first ones to even notice an eclipse of the sun. And what do we have?
The human race, in geological terms, is a mere speck on the time chart. 1/100,000,000th of our planet's history. But the moon has been around for at least 2/3 of our planet's history.
So how is it, that if the moon has been around for so long, that it is just now, at the dawning of intelligence on this planet, able to perfectly eclipse the sun in the sky?
And if you don't understand what I mean by perfectly, I mean PERFECTLY. To a millionth of a degree.
That didn't happen until intelligence on this planet developed.
Do you understand the odds of this happening? They are SO ASTRONOMICAL that they couldn't even be calculated.
Well Welcome to the forum first off. Sencond I seen many threads like this and I continue to hold my answer. With yea everyone knows their real and they do exist
QUOTE(MedicTJ @ Apr 18 2005, 09:45 PM)
Okay, I'll post one thing here that I've posted before, and then you tell me how many planets there might be that share this significance..........
Our moon. Even the evolutionists admit that without the moon, life could not have evolved on this planet. The moon is absolutely essential to our being here. Yet, in proportion to the rest of the solar system, it is completely out of place. Venus is nearly the same size as Earth, so why no moon?
In every single computerized model that has been run on accrection theory, the moon shouldn't exist at all. Is it merely a freak of the cosmos? A cosmological winning lottery ticket?
Maybe.
But there's more.
A total eclipse. When one happens, the moon in the sky is the exact same size as the sun in the sky. Now, the chances of this are absolutely astronomical. (pun indended)
But it goes even further than that.
The moon has been slowly and steadily moving away from the Earth. It is NOT in an orbit that causes it to remain at the same distance. It never has been. 65 million years ago, if you were to look up in the sky, the moon would be much larger in the night sky than it is now.
And 65 million years ago, total eclipses were more common. Why? Because the moon in the sky was much larger than the sun was.
But now we get to the point in Earth's history where there is intelligent life on this planet. Indeed, the first ones to even notice an eclipse of the sun. And what do we have?
The human race, in geological terms, is a mere speck on the time chart. 1/100,000,000th of our planet's history. But the moon has been around for at least 2/3 of our planet's history.
So how is it, that if the moon has been around for so long, that it is just now, at the dawning of intelligence on this planet, able to perfectly eclipse the sun in the sky?
And if you don't understand what I mean by perfectly, I mean PERFECTLY. To a millionth of a degree.
That didn't happen until intelligence on this planet developed.
Do you understand the odds of this happening? They are SO ASTRONOMICAL that they couldn't even be calculated.
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Our moon. Even the evolutionists admit that without the moon, life could not have evolved on this planet. The moon is absolutely essential to our being here. Yet, in proportion to the rest of the solar system, it is completely out of place. Venus is nearly the same size as Earth, so why no moon?
In every single computerized model that has been run on accrection theory, the moon shouldn't exist at all. Is it merely a freak of the cosmos? A cosmological winning lottery ticket?
Maybe.
But there's more.
A total eclipse. When one happens, the moon in the sky is the exact same size as the sun in the sky. Now, the chances of this are absolutely astronomical. (pun indended)
But it goes even further than that.
The moon has been slowly and steadily moving away from the Earth. It is NOT in an orbit that causes it to remain at the same distance. It never has been. 65 million years ago, if you were to look up in the sky, the moon would be much larger in the night sky than it is now.
And 65 million years ago, total eclipses were more common. Why? Because the moon in the sky was much larger than the sun was.
But now we get to the point in Earth's history where there is intelligent life on this planet. Indeed, the first ones to even notice an eclipse of the sun. And what do we have?
The human race, in geological terms, is a mere speck on the time chart. 1/100,000,000th of our planet's history. But the moon has been around for at least 2/3 of our planet's history.
So how is it, that if the moon has been around for so long, that it is just now, at the dawning of intelligence on this planet, able to perfectly eclipse the sun in the sky?
And if you don't understand what I mean by perfectly, I mean PERFECTLY. To a millionth of a degree.
That didn't happen until intelligence on this planet developed.
Do you understand the odds of this happening? They are SO ASTRONOMICAL that they couldn't even be calculated.
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Wow, thats pretty deep. Very interesting. It just gives me more things to ponder on. Do you have a link for more info like this about the subject? Thanks
That is excellent. Welcome to the forum 
QUOTE(liljellybean @ Apr 20 2005, 12:52 AM)
QUOTE(Amalgamut @ Apr 19 2005, 05:07 AM)
QUOTE(MedicTJ @ Apr 18 2005, 09:45 PM)
Okay, I'll post one thing here that I've posted before, and then you tell me how many planets there might be that share this significance..........
Our moon. Even the evolutionists admit that without the moon, life could not have evolved on this planet. The moon is absolutely essential to our being here. Yet, in proportion to the rest of the solar system, it is completely out of place. Venus is nearly the same size as Earth, so why no moon?
In every single computerized model that has been run on accrection theory, the moon shouldn't exist at all. Is it merely a freak of the cosmos? A cosmological winning lottery ticket?
Maybe.
But there's more.
A total eclipse. When one happens, the moon in the sky is the exact same size as the sun in the sky. Now, the chances of this are absolutely astronomical. (pun indended)
But it goes even further than that.
The moon has been slowly and steadily moving away from the Earth. It is NOT in an orbit that causes it to remain at the same distance. It never has been. 65 million years ago, if you were to look up in the sky, the moon would be much larger in the night sky than it is now.
And 65 million years ago, total eclipses were more common. Why? Because the moon in the sky was much larger than the sun was.
But now we get to the point in Earth's history where there is intelligent life on this planet. Indeed, the first ones to even notice an eclipse of the sun. And what do we have?
The human race, in geological terms, is a mere speck on the time chart. 1/100,000,000th of our planet's history. But the moon has been around for at least 2/3 of our planet's history.
So how is it, that if the moon has been around for so long, that it is just now, at the dawning of intelligence on this planet, able to perfectly eclipse the sun in the sky?
And if you don't understand what I mean by perfectly, I mean PERFECTLY. To a millionth of a degree.
That didn't happen until intelligence on this planet developed.
Do you understand the odds of this happening? They are SO ASTRONOMICAL that they couldn't even be calculated.
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Our moon. Even the evolutionists admit that without the moon, life could not have evolved on this planet. The moon is absolutely essential to our being here. Yet, in proportion to the rest of the solar system, it is completely out of place. Venus is nearly the same size as Earth, so why no moon?
In every single computerized model that has been run on accrection theory, the moon shouldn't exist at all. Is it merely a freak of the cosmos? A cosmological winning lottery ticket?
Maybe.
But there's more.
A total eclipse. When one happens, the moon in the sky is the exact same size as the sun in the sky. Now, the chances of this are absolutely astronomical. (pun indended)
But it goes even further than that.
The moon has been slowly and steadily moving away from the Earth. It is NOT in an orbit that causes it to remain at the same distance. It never has been. 65 million years ago, if you were to look up in the sky, the moon would be much larger in the night sky than it is now.
And 65 million years ago, total eclipses were more common. Why? Because the moon in the sky was much larger than the sun was.
But now we get to the point in Earth's history where there is intelligent life on this planet. Indeed, the first ones to even notice an eclipse of the sun. And what do we have?
The human race, in geological terms, is a mere speck on the time chart. 1/100,000,000th of our planet's history. But the moon has been around for at least 2/3 of our planet's history.
So how is it, that if the moon has been around for so long, that it is just now, at the dawning of intelligence on this planet, able to perfectly eclipse the sun in the sky?
And if you don't understand what I mean by perfectly, I mean PERFECTLY. To a millionth of a degree.
That didn't happen until intelligence on this planet developed.
Do you understand the odds of this happening? They are SO ASTRONOMICAL that they couldn't even be calculated.
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Wow, thats pretty deep. Very interesting. It just gives me more things to ponder on. Do you have a link for more info like this about the subject? Thanks
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Aliens don't exsist, Just deal with it.
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Ok
Those theories on Alien life are nothing new really. But if there were aliens visiting us, they are not acting very logical for a more intellectual being.
Takes some of this into consideration:
1. Most sightings and reports have been AFTER more sci-fi books and television and radio shows. It is not the other way around.
2. After WWII is when most of the reports started happening. Coincidence?
3. If there were aliens visiting us, they would have much more advanced technology than us. Considering this, why would they need to be "abducting" and "studying" so many people for so long? You'de think they'de have us figured by now.
4. Many "abduction" stories can be associated with sleep disorders. One of them I used to get, called Sleep Paralysis. What happens is your body is still fully asleep but your mind is awake in an altered state. It used to be called the "Old Hags" something, because people feel a very strong entity around them, which came out as an old hag or some type of beast. But with aliens on your mind, you'll see an alien (aliens were never thought of in the past, so they never came as the entity). And this disorder is VERY FRIGHTENING, when you don't know what it is. I used to get it as a child, and I really thought I was being abducted by aliens. Until I grew older, I found out how to wake myself out of it, and realized it was just a sleep problem. There are other disorders that cause mental alterations.
5. The mutilation stories, and abduction stories, all seem to much like human behaviour. In the past, and probably still now, gov'ts/people would take prisoner's of war, and sometimes their own people, and rip them open, study them, sew them back shut, keep 'em alive as long as they could, and experiment on them. This is how we know a lot of medical stuff we know today. Of course today, it would be very looked down upon and would start wars, so how else can we study humans? Hmm... might be something there.
6. Why is it people think Humans are stupid and can't think of flying machines on their own? A "UFO", doesn't mean it's alien. We have Einstein who was a pure genius. Steven Hawkings, etc. There are a lot of smart people in this world. Just because we have technology today, doesn't mean it came out because we stumbled upon some alien space craft. Even if we did, if we were so stupid, how would we even know what it was? The theory that we get our technology off aliens is not a very good one in my opinion. We had the BlackBird (SR-71) for more than 20 years before it was revealed to the public, and that jet can travel very fast, and to the edge of space. It is not such a crazy idea that some smart geniuses thought of a way to make these UFO's as we know them.
Takes some of this into consideration:
1. Most sightings and reports have been AFTER more sci-fi books and television and radio shows. It is not the other way around.
2. After WWII is when most of the reports started happening. Coincidence?
3. If there were aliens visiting us, they would have much more advanced technology than us. Considering this, why would they need to be "abducting" and "studying" so many people for so long? You'de think they'de have us figured by now.
4. Many "abduction" stories can be associated with sleep disorders. One of them I used to get, called Sleep Paralysis. What happens is your body is still fully asleep but your mind is awake in an altered state. It used to be called the "Old Hags" something, because people feel a very strong entity around them, which came out as an old hag or some type of beast. But with aliens on your mind, you'll see an alien (aliens were never thought of in the past, so they never came as the entity). And this disorder is VERY FRIGHTENING, when you don't know what it is. I used to get it as a child, and I really thought I was being abducted by aliens. Until I grew older, I found out how to wake myself out of it, and realized it was just a sleep problem. There are other disorders that cause mental alterations.
5. The mutilation stories, and abduction stories, all seem to much like human behaviour. In the past, and probably still now, gov'ts/people would take prisoner's of war, and sometimes their own people, and rip them open, study them, sew them back shut, keep 'em alive as long as they could, and experiment on them. This is how we know a lot of medical stuff we know today. Of course today, it would be very looked down upon and would start wars, so how else can we study humans? Hmm... might be something there.
6. Why is it people think Humans are stupid and can't think of flying machines on their own? A "UFO", doesn't mean it's alien. We have Einstein who was a pure genius. Steven Hawkings, etc. There are a lot of smart people in this world. Just because we have technology today, doesn't mean it came out because we stumbled upon some alien space craft. Even if we did, if we were so stupid, how would we even know what it was? The theory that we get our technology off aliens is not a very good one in my opinion. We had the BlackBird (SR-71) for more than 20 years before it was revealed to the public, and that jet can travel very fast, and to the edge of space. It is not such a crazy idea that some smart geniuses thought of a way to make these UFO's as we know them.
QUOTE(mrmonsoon @ Apr 18 2005, 09:20 PM)
My personal theory is yes and I will give you my reasons for this belief.
Their are billions of galaxies out in space-the further we can see, the more there are.
Each Galaxy is made up of a average of 300 billions of stars.
If only 1% of stars have planets( 1% of a billion=1 million) that makes 300 million planets.
If 1% of planets have life on them that makes 3 million planets with life.
If 1% of those planets have intelligent life, that makes 30,000 planets with intelligent life.
If 1% of thoses planets have intelligent life equal to or greater than our planet, that makes 300 civilizatons at or past space travel.
Take those 300 times the billions of galaxies and you start to see my point. It is a pure numbers game. Save for religion, how can we think that among all the trillions of stars, billions of planets we are the only intelligent life out there........
If Intelligent life is out there, has it come over to our planet now or in the past-maybe.
We have only been sending rf (radio frequency) signals for a short time-under 100 years.
But lets say "they" detected these signals and came to investigate them-if/when we have the technology to travel space the way we do roads, I am sure we would.
OK, lets say contact was made-either through design or crashed craft-whatever the reason. Would our/any government tell their population, much less the rest of the planet-NOOOOOOOO!
Why? Ok, good question. First, think-any technology found or even given to us would take a long time to back engineer and make work/duplicate. Don't think so-take a good handheld computer-400MHZ 128Megs ram...back only 100 years. It would be magic/whichcraft. It would take another 30 years to have microscopes good enough to see the fine wires in the chips. It would take another 20 years to figure out they made transistors with those wires........
Now what if a technology was 100's, thousands evens millions of years more advanced than what we have now. That assumes they uses the same kind of technology we do-or will.
Think of the advantage that would give you over every other nation on the planet.......
Here is another very good reason, even now-many people across the planet would go crazy at finding "alien life" not of this planet. The worest -IMO-would be the overly religious ones-a large majority of the population.
How do we do this and not cause civilization to crash? Why we do it the same way people are decentisised to things that scare them-like spiders. You get them used to the idea. You slowly get them to the point where they can talk about them without freaking out. Next you work on them by getting them to slowly accept a picture of a spider. Next, you get them to see one on another room, through a window. Then in a box in the same room, then not in a box... till they are ok with it.
Now replace spider with ufo/alien and think about how over the last 40-50 years there has been more and more about ufo/aliens on tv,radio, print. Also notice how as time has gone by, the idea is slowly being made more acceptable in the mainstream, till one day we are calm enough for our government(s) to anounce that they exist.
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Their are billions of galaxies out in space-the further we can see, the more there are.
Each Galaxy is made up of a average of 300 billions of stars.
If only 1% of stars have planets( 1% of a billion=1 million) that makes 300 million planets.
If 1% of planets have life on them that makes 3 million planets with life.
If 1% of those planets have intelligent life, that makes 30,000 planets with intelligent life.
If 1% of thoses planets have intelligent life equal to or greater than our planet, that makes 300 civilizatons at or past space travel.
Take those 300 times the billions of galaxies and you start to see my point. It is a pure numbers game. Save for religion, how can we think that among all the trillions of stars, billions of planets we are the only intelligent life out there........
If Intelligent life is out there, has it come over to our planet now or in the past-maybe.
We have only been sending rf (radio frequency) signals for a short time-under 100 years.
But lets say "they" detected these signals and came to investigate them-if/when we have the technology to travel space the way we do roads, I am sure we would.
OK, lets say contact was made-either through design or crashed craft-whatever the reason. Would our/any government tell their population, much less the rest of the planet-NOOOOOOOO!
Why? Ok, good question. First, think-any technology found or even given to us would take a long time to back engineer and make work/duplicate. Don't think so-take a good handheld computer-400MHZ 128Megs ram...back only 100 years. It would be magic/whichcraft. It would take another 30 years to have microscopes good enough to see the fine wires in the chips. It would take another 20 years to figure out they made transistors with those wires........
Now what if a technology was 100's, thousands evens millions of years more advanced than what we have now. That assumes they uses the same kind of technology we do-or will.
Think of the advantage that would give you over every other nation on the planet.......
Here is another very good reason, even now-many people across the planet would go crazy at finding "alien life" not of this planet. The worest -IMO-would be the overly religious ones-a large majority of the population.
How do we do this and not cause civilization to crash? Why we do it the same way people are decentisised to things that scare them-like spiders. You get them used to the idea. You slowly get them to the point where they can talk about them without freaking out. Next you work on them by getting them to slowly accept a picture of a spider. Next, you get them to see one on another room, through a window. Then in a box in the same room, then not in a box... till they are ok with it.
Now replace spider with ufo/alien and think about how over the last 40-50 years there has been more and more about ufo/aliens on tv,radio, print. Also notice how as time has gone by, the idea is slowly being made more acceptable in the mainstream, till one day we are calm enough for our government(s) to anounce that they exist.
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You forgot one thing POWER. The discovery that we are not alone could be the single most unifying thing that could happen to humanity. And that scares people with power for one reason only. Power is the ability to hold sway over group of people(large or small)and it is wielded by the people who can manipulate the group consciousness the most. Most leaders cannot cross over to another people and lead them because he is and outsider looking in. His talents lie with the group he was born too. The world is fractured by these people simply because they wish to retain power at any cost. It is easier to influence small groups with the same goals, it the mass that is unwieldy.
Now suppose people find out there are aliens here one day in the near future and there is a mass realization that we are not alone in the universe....suddenly the power that government represents is minimized. They are not all powerful and all knowing........ they are fallible. Suddenly its not African or American or Canadian- its human. We would discard the notion that Earth is populated with different races of man and just become Earth, the home of humanity.
Now on the surface that doesn't seem too bad but thats just you and me, joe and jane regular, the problem becomes the men in power. Whether we like to admit it or not most power out there is hereditarily passed from one rich person to another usually a son or daughter but sometimes just another rich person. Keeping all the control centralized is key to the success of the top five percent making the bottom 95 percent do all the work. And unity of the people is not what those in power want. They want us fragmented and divided. They want as many diverse and opposite fragment as they can get. They would prefer that we were at each others throats so we will be too busy to see how badly we get messed with everyday. Any unifing factor is poison to them, it is their enemy. The technology is also a good reason to keep it secret. But I'm sorry to say that people freaking out is not one of them. That would be the same as saying that my father should have lost his mind after seeing starwars and then seeing the first real laser tested in the eighties, not so. People have been expecting amazing things since electricity was invented, they are more adaptable today(this covers the last hundred years) than they have ever been. Humans are survivors and adapters. ( besides the people that would freak out are the straight edges anyway and we could stand to lose a few of them)
The question of aliens exisiting or visiting us is practically impossible for us to answer. Let me share my view on this predicament by making some short statements.
- There is intelligent life out there, somewhere for the simple reason that there are so unbelievably many planets and stars out there that its almost impossible that there is NO intelligent life out there except on earth
- UFO sightings can probably all be explained by natural phenomena (some may not even have been found yet), human activity, and illusions of the mind (or just luminary illusions).
- The idea of aliens visiting the planet EARTH by boarding ships and landing here is a bit too close to "home" so to speak, the same goes for what aliens supposedly look like: - Humanoids, - Animal-like creatures, - Robotic (mechanical) beings, - Grey guys
. All these creatures are in some way based on "earthly" beings, be it robots, anmials or just humans. This is for the simple reason that we can only think inside our own "box" of knowledge, we have no possibility to think outside it. We cant imagine what alien lifeforms can look like or what they can do in terms of technology. The fact that all sightings or encounters have some human relation or link points to no alien contact or visits at all. This does not mean i dont believe aliens can or have visited us, for all we know they are all around us or visit us without us ever knowing (considering they have technical possibilites we cannot comprehend).
- This brings me to the famous rosswell incident which is no alien coverup in my opinion: the idea of aliens crashing to the ground here on earth and taken away to some base in the desert where they remain covered up for 50 years without any real evidence of it coming out except some testimonies and speculations is ludacrious. Even the almighty USA cannot cover up something of that magnitude.
Which brings me to my conclusion: Aliens might be visiting us but there is no way for us to prove it unless they are in some way very similar to us. In that case id say that we would have known more about these visits or seen more actual proof.
The only way we can get into contact with aliens is:
- Either we find a way to visit distant planets that contain alien lifeforms, that could take centuries to do
- Aliens visit us and let us know they are visiting us by showing themselves in some way
Id like to say this is just my own limited opinion and of course is never the "truth", i wish aliens would visit us and i wish the sightings and such are real but im extremely skeptical about that as you can read
- just my 2 cents
- There is intelligent life out there, somewhere for the simple reason that there are so unbelievably many planets and stars out there that its almost impossible that there is NO intelligent life out there except on earth
- UFO sightings can probably all be explained by natural phenomena (some may not even have been found yet), human activity, and illusions of the mind (or just luminary illusions).
- The idea of aliens visiting the planet EARTH by boarding ships and landing here is a bit too close to "home" so to speak, the same goes for what aliens supposedly look like: - Humanoids, - Animal-like creatures, - Robotic (mechanical) beings, - Grey guys
. All these creatures are in some way based on "earthly" beings, be it robots, anmials or just humans. This is for the simple reason that we can only think inside our own "box" of knowledge, we have no possibility to think outside it. We cant imagine what alien lifeforms can look like or what they can do in terms of technology. The fact that all sightings or encounters have some human relation or link points to no alien contact or visits at all. This does not mean i dont believe aliens can or have visited us, for all we know they are all around us or visit us without us ever knowing (considering they have technical possibilites we cannot comprehend).- This brings me to the famous rosswell incident which is no alien coverup in my opinion: the idea of aliens crashing to the ground here on earth and taken away to some base in the desert where they remain covered up for 50 years without any real evidence of it coming out except some testimonies and speculations is ludacrious. Even the almighty USA cannot cover up something of that magnitude.
Which brings me to my conclusion: Aliens might be visiting us but there is no way for us to prove it unless they are in some way very similar to us. In that case id say that we would have known more about these visits or seen more actual proof.
The only way we can get into contact with aliens is:
- Either we find a way to visit distant planets that contain alien lifeforms, that could take centuries to do
- Aliens visit us and let us know they are visiting us by showing themselves in some way
Id like to say this is just my own limited opinion and of course is never the "truth", i wish aliens would visit us and i wish the sightings and such are real but im extremely skeptical about that as you can read
- just my 2 cents
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Those theories on Alien life are nothing new really. But if there were aliens visiting us, they are not acting very logical for a more intellectual being.
Takes some of this into consideration:
1. Most sightings and reports have been AFTER more sci-fi books and television and radio shows. It is not the other way around.
2. After WWII is when most of the reports started happening. Coincidence?
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Takes some of this into consideration:
1. Most sightings and reports have been AFTER more sci-fi books and television and radio shows. It is not the other way around.
2. After WWII is when most of the reports started happening. Coincidence?
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Not entirely true. There were many reports of UFO's pre Roswell and pre WW2.
yes they are real they r so cool
Well, the Brazilian government and many of their delegates have said that, "Somethings out there," thats all the proof I need. YOU and I can actually tune into NASA's transmittions between the space shuttle, they are unscrambled, and if you listen to what they're saying, and see what their seeing, well, you will be awestruck.
mmh, brings me to the question, does anyone know what happened to the so-called "smoking gun story"?
< in short > : a canadian tv station owner called Martyn Stubbs downloads 5 years of NASA uncut space-mission video and shows the results to the world in a videotape called "Smoking gun". On the video you see lots of weird lights and orbs in space filmed from various space shuttles.
< in short > : a canadian tv station owner called Martyn Stubbs downloads 5 years of NASA uncut space-mission video and shows the results to the world in a videotape called "Smoking gun". On the video you see lots of weird lights and orbs in space filmed from various space shuttles.
Ofcourse their are aliens! they live in mexico, havent you heard? But if you deny the existance of aliens you are a retard(or just afriad of the ramifications). Whether or not they are "visiting" us is another question. What i dont get is why "aliens" look like humans in alien suits?
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Those theories on Alien life are nothing new really. But if there were aliens visiting us, they are not acting very logical for a more intellectual being.
Takes some of this into consideration:
1. Most sightings and reports have been AFTER more sci-fi books and television and radio shows. It is not the other way around.
2. After WWII is when most of the reports started happening. Coincidence?
3. If there were aliens visiting us, they would have much more advanced technology than us. Considering this, why would they need to be "abducting" and "studying" so many people for so long? You'de think they'de have us figured by now.
4. Many "abduction" stories can be associated with sleep disorders. One of them I used to get, called Sleep Paralysis. What happens is your body is still fully asleep but your mind is awake in an altered state. It used to be called the "Old Hags" something, because people feel a very strong entity around them, which came out as an old hag or some type of beast. But with aliens on your mind, you'll see an alien (aliens were never thought of in the past, so they never came as the entity). And this disorder is VERY FRIGHTENING, when you don't know what it is. I used to get it as a child, and I really thought I was being abducted by aliens. Until I grew older, I found out how to wake myself out of it, and realized it was just a sleep problem. There are other disorders that cause mental alterations.
5. The mutilation stories, and abduction stories, all seem to much like human behaviour. In the past, and probably still now, gov'ts/people would take prisoner's of war, and sometimes their own people, and rip them open, study them, sew them back shut, keep 'em alive as long as they could, and experiment on them. This is how we know a lot of medical stuff we know today. Of course today, it would be very looked down upon and would start wars, so how else can we study humans? Hmm... might be something there.
6. Why is it people think Humans are stupid and can't think of flying machines on their own? A "UFO", doesn't mean it's alien. We have Einstein who was a pure genius. Steven Hawkings, etc. There are a lot of smart people in this world. Just because we have technology today, doesn't mean it came out because we stumbled upon some alien space craft. Even if we did, if we were so stupid, how would we even know what it was? The theory that we get our technology off aliens is not a very good one in my opinion. We had the BlackBird (SR-71) for more than 20 years before it was revealed to the public, and that jet can travel very fast, and to the edge of space. It is not such a crazy idea that some smart geniuses thought of a way to make these UFO's as we know them.
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I don't think I agree with you.
First, as I stated, I feel they the governments of the world have slowing been preparing the population of the planet to accept the fact of aliens ( especially in california, arizona and texas-just kidding) from another planet do exist. The slow pace has been to prevent mass riots and a general breakdown of society ( we know most people of the 40's and 50's would have lost it big time if they announced it then.
The "aliens are (if they exist) probably working with the governments to slowly andsafely introduce them into our society.
As for abductions, I have two theories. One is it is our own governments doing experiments on the population-the US has a history of doing this (examples are in previous posts here). The second theory is that aliens are sort of doing like we do-yes, like we do. Ever heard of the catch, tag and release programs.....
Serially, we trank an animal, examine it ( think of the horror it must be experiencing) do painful tests and it, tag it with a transmitter and release it in the same general area it was found.
I think the majority of know they exist and there seems to be enough proof of them at our level of investigation therefore the Govcernment must without doubt have definate inconclusive evidence es pecially with all the money they have thrown at this is the past.
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Okay, I'll post one thing here that I've posted before, and then you tell me how many planets there might be that share this significance..........
not all intelligent life will need a moon to back it up, we have discovered that as long as there is water, carbon based life can and will find a way to live, aliens from another planet for all we know might not even be carbon based and may not need a moon to control tides on thier planet, again for all we know water may be poison to them, ala the movie "signs"
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Our moon. Even the evolutionists admit that without the moon, life could not have evolved on this planet. The moon is absolutely essential to our being here. Yet, in proportion to the rest of the solar system, it is completely out of place. Venus is nearly the same size as Earth, so why no moon?
well like i said above, us as humans need a moon, but that doesnt mean other life forms need one....if the moon was where it was 65 million years ago today...life would be much different and humans most likely than not would not be around...however the dinosaurs lived this way so life is possible
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In every single computerized model that has been run on accrection theory, the moon shouldn't exist at all. Is it merely a freak of the cosmos? A cosmological winning lottery ticket?
Maybe.
Maybe.
no one was around when the earth was forming, so we cant really say if it was a winning lottery ticket, or if it was something natural, we learn new things about the universe around us everyday that we once before didnt think can possibly be..there was once a time when black holes where just ideas...and now people believe black holes actually evaporate!
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But there's more.
A total eclipse. When one happens, the moon in the sky is the exact same size as the sun in the sky. Now, the chances of this are absolutely astronomical. (pun indended)
A total eclipse. When one happens, the moon in the sky is the exact same size as the sun in the sky. Now, the chances of this are absolutely astronomical. (pun indended)
we are alive to witness it, in a million years the humans living then will not have this privelidge and not think of an astronomical coincidence, if you place a basball on the street 20 feet infront of a basket ball and you stand at the end of the street, then begin to roll that baseball closer and closer to you evenually the basseball will overtake the basketball...theres nothing really that strange about that, is there?
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But it goes even further than that.
The moon has been slowly and steadily moving away from the Earth. It is NOT in an orbit that causes it to remain at the same distance. It never has been. 65 million years ago, if you were to look up in the sky, the moon would be much larger in the night sky than it is now.
The moon has been slowly and steadily moving away from the Earth. It is NOT in an orbit that causes it to remain at the same distance. It never has been. 65 million years ago, if you were to look up in the sky, the moon would be much larger in the night sky than it is now.
again like i said, thats not really to significant, life still flurished on earth at this time
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And 65 million years ago, total eclipses were more common. Why? Because the moon in the sky was much larger than the sun was.
again thats not anything significant to life
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But now we get to the point in Earth's history where there is intelligent life on this planet. Indeed, the first ones to even notice an eclipse of the sun. And what do we have?
The human race, in geological terms, is a mere speck on the time chart. 1/100,000,000th of our planet's history. But the moon has been around for at least 2/3 of our planet's history.
So how is it, that if the moon has been around for so long, that it is just now, at the dawning of intelligence on this planet, able to perfectly eclipse the sun in the sky?
The human race, in geological terms, is a mere speck on the time chart. 1/100,000,000th of our planet's history. But the moon has been around for at least 2/3 of our planet's history.
So how is it, that if the moon has been around for so long, that it is just now, at the dawning of intelligence on this planet, able to perfectly eclipse the sun in the sky?
quite simple, you said it yourself actually, humans need the moon to have evolved...its no wonder its where it has to be for us to be alive
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And if you don't understand what I mean by perfectly, I mean PERFECTLY. To a millionth of a degree.
That didn't happen until intelligence on this planet developed.
That didn't happen until intelligence on this planet developed.
our inteligence will not dictate the way another civilization evolves intelligence
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Do you understand the odds of this happening? They are SO ASTRONOMICAL that they couldn't even be calculated.
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and the only reason why it is so amazing is because we are here witnessing it, if the moon was not where it is today, no one would think twice about it, its like when someone gets struck by lightning...what are the odds of that? but because it happened its something special....even though we know its bound to happen sooner or later, just because we are alive to witness it does not make it anymore special than it really is
Even though the universe is so vast and wide, and that there are still a whole lot of it to be discovered, aliens don't exist. This is one of the reasons. for a planet to have life, it has to have the right star. It also has to have a star like our star, a medium star, because if the star was to small, like a dwarf star, black, brown, etc, it wouldn't be hot enough to support life. if it was any bigger, it would be a red giant, or a super red giant, wich is a supernova. Then it would be too short for life to evolve into intelligent beings, because the bigger the star, the faster its power source runs out. Even if it has the right star, they would need to form building blocks on the planet, have air, and have an atmosphere too. So the chance of having intelligent life out there is very very low, but not 0% though.
Yes aliens exist and the government knows.I have believed that for many years.
QUOTE(Brian930 @ Apr 23 2005, 11:03 PM)
Even though the universe is so vast and wide, and that there are still a whole lot of it to be discovered, aliens don't exist. This is one of the reasons. for a planet to have life, it has to have the right star. It also has to have a star like our star, a medium star, because if the star was to small, like a dwarf star, black, brown, etc, it wouldn't be hot enough to support life. if it was any bigger, it would be a red giant, or a super red giant, wich is a supernova. Then it would be too short for life to evolve into intelligent beings, because the bigger the star, the faster its power source runs out. Even if it has the right star, they would need to form building blocks on the planet, have air, and have an atmosphere too. So the chance of having intelligent life out there is very very low, but not 0% though.
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So there are no other medium stars in the entire universe??
And how do you know that aliens dont need oxygen? Or a sun?
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So there are no other medium stars in the entire universe??
And how do you know that aliens dont need oxygen? Or a sun?
And how do you know that aliens dont need oxygen? Or a sun?
I was waiting for somebody to bring something like this up. How can we know that other species (if any) out there need the sun, or oxygen, or even can be physically seen with our eyes? What about an alien that is made of energies, or an alien that is so small, we can't see them (but they can see us as giants, and they still have intelligent life), or an alien that looks like a planet, but is really a living thing. If there are aliens out there, I hate to seem them as human like as the "grey" or whatever. What if an alien saw us humans, and were as scared as we would be if we saw one? Like, what if aliens never found any life form ever on another planet, that they believed there were none, and then someday just a regular alien saw our Earth while roaming the universe and got frightened. We send out all of our radio signals into space waiting for an answer, but why believe that aliens would even pick up a radio signal? For all we know, they might have developed technology with a whole different wave of signals that work on their planet.
I would be disappointed to see aliens that were human like.
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So there are no other medium stars in the entire universe??
And how do you know that aliens dont need oxygen? Or a sun?
And how do you know that aliens dont need oxygen? Or a sun?
I was waiting for somebody to bring something like this up. How can we know that other species (if any) out there need the sun, or oxygen, or even can be physically seen with our eyes? What about an alien that is made of energies, or an alien that is so small, we can't see them (but they can see us as giants, and they still have intelligent life), or an alien that looks like a planet, but is really a living thing. If there are aliens out there, I hate to seem them as human like as the "grey" or whatever. What if an alien saw us humans, and were as scared as we would be if we saw one? Like, what if aliens never found any life form ever on another planet, that they believed there were none, and then someday just a regular alien saw our Earth while roaming the universe and got frightened. We send out all of our radio signals into space waiting for an answer, but why believe that aliens would even pick up a radio signal? For all we know, they might have developed technology with a whole different wave of signals that work on their planet.
I would be disappointed to see aliens that were human like.
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Exactly, there are still many things that we don't know about exist on this earth. Much less the rest of the universe. The possibilities are many.
Honestly i think the government couldn;t care less about Aliens and if they did find out that they were real they still wouldn;t care.
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So there are no other medium stars in the entire universe??
And how do you know that aliens dont need oxygen? Or a sun?
And how do you know that aliens dont need oxygen? Or a sun?
I was waiting for somebody to bring something like this up. How can we know that other species (if any) out there need the sun, or oxygen, or even can be physically seen with our eyes? What about an alien that is made of energies, or an alien that is so small, we can't see them (but they can see us as giants, and they still have intelligent life), or an alien that looks like a planet, but is really a living thing. If there are aliens out there, I hate to seem them as human like as the "grey" or whatever. What if an alien saw us humans, and were as scared as we would be if we saw one? Like, what if aliens never found any life form ever on another planet, that they believed there were none, and then someday just a regular alien saw our Earth while roaming the universe and got frightened. We send out all of our radio signals into space waiting for an answer, but why believe that aliens would even pick up a radio signal? For all we know, they might have developed technology with a whole different wave of signals that work on their planet.
I would be disappointed to see aliens that were human like.
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We don't know if life can exist in these other forms. We do know that life can exist as it does on Earth(organic, carbon-based etc.) So, that's the obvious thing to start looking for.
QUOTE(Brian930 @ Apr 24 2005, 12:03 AM)
Even though the universe is so vast and wide, and that there are still a whole lot of it to be discovered, aliens don't exist. This is one of the reasons. for a planet to have life, it has to have the right star. It also has to have a star like our star, a medium star, because if the star was to small, like a dwarf star, black, brown, etc, it wouldn't be hot enough to support life. if it was any bigger, it would be a red giant, or a super red giant, wich is a supernova. Then it would be too short for life to evolve into intelligent beings, because the bigger the star, the faster its power source runs out. Even if it has the right star, they would need to form building blocks on the planet, have air, and have an atmosphere too. So the chance of having intelligent life out there is very very low, but not 0% though.
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that's assuming they are ANYTHING like us. which, as i think about it, becomes less and less likely.
QUOTE(Neo2005 @ Apr 24 2005, 06:16 PM)
Honestly i think the government couldn;t care less about Aliens and if they did find out that they were real they still wouldn;t care.
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is that a joke? if you run a government and aliens landed they could be a danger to your land and or the world.....
I swear, I JUST SAW ANOTHER POST JUST LIKE THIS!
i think the american,russian,and british governments know.maybe even china and japan too.but i seriously doubt any other countries(including france and germany)
know.there are too many unstable countries on the globe that can't be trusted to know.
know.there are too many unstable countries on the globe that can't be trusted to know.
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