[COLOR=red]People on this forum keep bringing the "lost gospels" up and claiming they make Jesus seem different... I would like someone to show me where it says that... I read most of it and cant seem to see it.

Did you read all of the Apocrypha?

almost... i am still doin it right now...

but so far all i have read is that jesus is who he says he is and is the same person... not humble, mind u, he is with God, but he is the same person.

True dear, very true. I guess he's what you beleive him to be. Whether humble or different. I beleive him to be the way you beleive him to be and what I know of him to be which is King of All Kings, King of Jews, Unselfish, Loving, & most of all Forgiving.

but all i want from this thread is for people to show me where they find the info they post about the Apocrypha so i can look at it, if they cant find anything, the whole point about Constantine and the council of Nicea taking them out is irrelevant and useless... so they took books out, saying the same thing... so if anyone can show me where it is they find this information, i am asking for them to post it and show me.

Well, I'll give an example of how a male-dominated society whittled down the role of women in the gospels through exclusion of the Book of Mary:

From Chapter 9.

6) Levi answered and said to Peter, Peter you have always been hot tempered.

7) Now I see you contending against the woman like the adversaries.

8) But if the Savior made her worthy, who are you indeed to reject her? Surely the Savior knows her very well.

9) That is why He loved her more than us. Rather let us be ashamed and put on the perfect Man, and separate as He commanded us and preach the gospel, not laying down any other rule or other law beyond what the Savior said.

10) And when they heard this they began to go forth to proclaim and to preach.


The Roman Chatholic Church, rathering than raising her to the heights of respect she seemed to deserve, instead spent centuries sullying her reputation by (wrongly) calling her a prostitute.

mary magdelane(sp) was a prostitute, or have u forgotten that jesus forgave her, for she asked it.. i will look up scripture right now and show u, but she really was a prostitute...

Sorry, she wasn't. She just had the unfortunate placing in the text to be introduced by name AFTER a story where Jesus' feet had been washed by a prostitute. But they were two seperate women. A Pope's Easter speech in the 8th century is the first account of M. Magdalene being referred to as a 'prostitute', but the misnomer has just stuck around.

Check the scriptures again.

im lookin right now

Mary Magdalene was NOT a prostitute read Luke Ch 7:36-50. This is the prostitue. Then read ch8:1-3 This is about Mary Magdalene, She was possessed by demons or mentally ill. they are not the same person. Mary got the rap of being a prostitute by a pope. I will find his name for you and the info on it.

Ha ha, yeah, we women are happy to set the record straight on THIS one.

Yeah!!! we girls gotta stick together

oh.. MY BAD... sorry... she was cleansed by jesus.... sorry.. either way, women didnt get degraded by that, it was 1Tim. 2:12, and people that read that take it totally out of context... they think it refers to everyday life, when in fact, it refers to church life. ex. going to church and all that.

On behalf of all the women in here ----I accept your apology

and this thread still hasnt shown me any of the info used to show that JESUS was a different person in other gospels....

i know this might sound bad, but the mary magdalene thing, regardless what she was thought to be, i think all that matters is that everyone has hope through jesus...

Have you read the Gospel of Mary or Thomas??? They are different from the Apocrypha. I have heard that the gospel of John is connected to them because of the first chapter in John. Some people say that Jesus wanted Mary, not Peter to lead the gospel. I'm not advocating it, it just is an interesting read and the Bible says to "test the spirits" and to "study" at least you will know where other ideas are coming from and can make an educated decision and you will have infomation that you can reference either for it or against it. Hope that is something to get started with

thank u very much... i appreciate it.

Hopefully this will work this time. My server here at work is going CRAZY!

I think what historians and archaeologists are just trying to do is either create an historically accurate picture, or at least try to fill in the gaps of a very fractured story. I am not interested in this sort of thing myself from a faith standpoint, more of just how the power of religion affects history. As it stands, the evidence for a definitive 'Jesus Christ of Nazareth" of whom the accepted Gospels wrote, is surprisingly flimsy. There is no doubt the teachings of the Christ are very real and far-reaching, but as for how much can be proven factually is constantly under debate.

BUT(!), absolutely none of these concerns should have bearing on a person's faith. I am not trying to question or tear down the fact that someone would want to live thier lives based on the teachings of Jesus (and Buddha, because they are often identical). Love and mercy for the fellow man is NEVER the wrong path, no matter what creed you adhere to.

Anyway, I say all this, LoVer, to say, make you faith for your own, but never be afraid to test it or research WHY you believe the way you do. Dogma is never good for anyone, and a faith that is unwilling to be questioned is not a true faith. Don't be afraid of digging a little deeper or re-evaluating.

Amen!!!!!
I like you Jennrose

as do i.. that is why i asked for some help finding information about these things... i was wondering all of those things to myself... thank u for the advice. i will use it to my best ability.

The server I am using is the same way. It will be fine then......LOG I thought you said you did not know that much about your chosen religion ( ) If you want to know more read and then read some more.I think I have told you this before.

no, u told me somethin else.. i believe it was along the lines of not doubting my faith...

and zandore.. i dont know everything about my religion... if anyone says they know "everything" they are lieng to u.. and i am constantly learning... hence the reason i asked for someone to help me out.

OK I just might spring a quiz on you one of these days.

i welcome it, i might just learn a little more from the quiz.. i have learned a lot from u in particular anyways

And, to give credit where it is due, at least LoVer Of God admits when he makes a mistake. Unlike some people who stubbornly stick to their false premises

I know that you are never to old to learn but can you be to young?That is one of the reasons that I consider him a friend.A different term for this would be called a closed mind. YES

well, i aint perfect, and i aint nice sometimes, and i aint gonna lie about not being right...

and zandore, i dont think u can be too young...

the whole point about Constantine and the council of Nicea deciding anything about the biblical canon is not only irrelevant and useless, but completely wrong. just thought i would mention that.