If you want me to explain my beliefs, don't go and and tell me I must admit that my God is a bloodthirsty tyrant and what not.

*deletes the rest* Whatever I was going to say, would be of my own understanding, and you don't know my understanding, and would only look at it with yours. No matter what, to you, God will be a bloodthirsty tyrant.

Goodbye.

Yes, apparently, god is "...all about love and peace and stuff..." as long as you are a believer. If you're not, then to hell with you (literally!).

In the NT, as far as I can recall, there is not one instance or example of gods terrible anger, yet the OT is full of smiting, and killing, and curses and vengence. Yet people are trying to convince me that both books are discussing the same god.

As to god having to 'test' his "children', I ask you parents out there: would you set up your child to take a test of character, by placing temptation in front of them? Would you set them up to fail? And if they did fail, would you then punish them?

And this is coming from (by all that I have been reading) a person who has no concept of history, how it is validated, and how to sort the false from the true! What is the old Christian saying? Something about the mite in your brother's eye and the log in yours? Incidentally, I have never been an atheist, I was raised in a Deist family, my children are 4th generation Deists -

Actually, I'm quite a reasonable person and if you do show me how those particular verses don't fit into the context of a bloodthirsty tyrant who kills children, I will have to change my mind. I'm sorry if I offended you.

Something similar has been on my mind, but I couldnt figure out how to put it in writing. Thank you for that.

np Mrscienceguy.

<gotta love that avatar of yours>

Thanks, it's a picture of some madman I found on the internet

REVELATION 17:1-6
A whore is stripped, eaten and burned
MATTHEW 19:12
Castrate yourself for Jesus....
That's two.... I can find more.

Einstein was a madman and a ugly one at that.I don't understand it.if he was so smart why did he make F's in school? and all of a sudden in one week comes up with the basis of 3 different subject. I mean I don't get it.

I think that's cheap man!

But it is from your Bible.

Ya and I accept that fact. But to use it and then question it like he's saying 'ha' then that's different. stating a fact and then using it against someone is 2 different perspectives.

So what you are saying is that you can use the Bible but we can not?

LOL First, you might want to correct the type in the REVELATION quote.

Second, and I should have specified, Nothing in the NT is recorded of god lashing out. To me, Revelation is reporting "what is to come", not "And then god said/did...". Other than that, there are no reports of god laying waste to cities, turning people into salt pillars, or asking the faithful to sacrifice their own offspring.

The second quote, again is not something that god does or did. But tells man what they should do.

To starlitkate:

do you know the history of this man, Einstein?

I respectfully suggest that you read up on the man before you take pot shots.

I'am using the bible to my beleifs, but when you use it against someone when you don't follow it and you question it then that is making fun of my beleif.that is different...

Well I never claimed my statements as facts. I just said i don't understand, that is why I said that, cuz I don't know all the facts.That I know understand. I just know what I was taught and told that he made bad grades in school and in 1 week came up with the basis for 3 different things. So no you should reread before making pot shots!!

--And don't tell me I was wrong about the ugly part-- Looking at that pic makes my hair stand up...

I thought the same but spell check passed it.John 3:16 talks of human sacrifice.Self mutilation is a form of violence.Very good sound advice. (Spelled Einstein)I use it so you can not say my sources are wrong and no I am not making fun of your belief.

do you know the history of this man, Einenstien?

I respectfully suggest that you read up on the man before you take pot shots.[/quote]Very good sound advice. (Spelled Einstein)[quote=starlitkate Posted Today, 09:52 AM ]

Ya well try reading my thoughts on what she said which was posted before this post of yours. You two are the only ones taking potshots. I said I didn't get it and didn't understand it. Don't judge me when you made a potshot for nothing. wasted your time again on me. when i say I don't understand or don't get something then that is saying that what i'am saying is not stating my facts.
take another pot shot

Uhh Matthew 19:12 says, "For there are eunuchs who were born thus from their mother's womb, and there are eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it."
-Where does Jesus say that we should castrate ourselfs???

have a nice day starlitkate.

I have, it's all about facts and history, but it has nothing to do with this topic. I'm not saying that God doesn't exist or that the Bible is false, am I? I'm quoting the verses that are coming straight from your Bible and asking you to explain why does your God commit all these hateful acts of violence. You say that God is loving, merceful, just, etc. and yet the verses from your own Bible say:

"Now kill all the boys. And kill every women who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man." Numbers 31: 1-18

"Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor." Exodus 32:27

"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them - bring them here and kill them in front of me." Luke 19:27

Explain how does all this not fit into a definition of a "bloodthirsty tyrant who kills or commands to kill children" without going off-topic again.
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Ya exactly. He's not saying God isnt real. He beats around the bush and trying to get you to admit to it. That is what I was thinking till I read what you just said about it and you're right..Way to go...

starlitkate, are you by any chance kin to Ashley Star Child or are you her under another name? Just wondering, because you have the same strange mixture of righteous sureness and lack of knowledge of your own religion - CD

yup you to. i plan on it. nice barbecue cookout-cuz the guys can't cook i'am the only one that can barbecue a cookout.hehehe and badmitton if it stays nice. if what you said was being nice then you to!!

You words....
My words....He was a GENIUS. Don't believe us....Read up on him your self.
Albert Einstein

No we don't beleive in the same things. We do somewhat but she beleive in soul electricity wherelse I don't. So no, the only difference is that we respect each other unlike people like you that don't respect us. Don't question someones beleifs that you don't follow! Also, I happened to be talking about Einstein when you jumped in, so what does he have to do with my religion?? I was talking about Einstein and his pic and questioned when I don't understand his life. So no, take another pot shot and please don't think you are gonna get a burn out of me.

Ya I know that. I know that much. I'am not quesitoning that. I'am questioning how he got bad grades in school and became famous in 1 week for what he discovered.

child prodigies quite often perfom poorly in school because of bordom and test-stress (they actually think about the ramifications of failure, where average students do not)

If you want to know something read up on it.

who says he became famous in one week???

Look up the mans history instead of working off hearsay, rumours, and urban legends.

He spent his entire career working on his theories.

You want me to respect your beliefs, yet you take everything that anyone says as a personal attack on you and your religion, but you say that you don't know everything of which you speak on. Then, when others attempt to enlighten you, you lash out and refuse to acknowledge any positive statements from other posters.

Google Einstien, and then tell me how long it took him to develop his theories.

I'm done.

I must agree with JNPD1! - CD

2 Votes for JMPD1!

Is that your excuse that I take everything as a personal attack cuz I don't. Those that are sincere from those that misinterprate perceptions are 2 different things. So no I don't.
But when you make comments like potshot that isn't sincere. that is rude and unconsiderate. Telling me to take a pot shot is not inlightening. it's rude. I didn't lash out. I stood up for myself and told you to look back over where I read I didn't understand. I wanted enlightment for someone to explain not tell me to take potshots and be rude about it. I didn't refuse to acknowledge your statements. I acknowledged that when you told me to take a potshot then that was being rude and led to nothing on enlightment on Einstein. So NO you are wrong!!
And I really could care less about einstein. I stated I didn't get it or understand it and i'am told to take potshots, so that was my answer in your first reply post and nothing about him and all cuz you didn't exactly read what i was stating that i didn't get it.

If you feel like I took a "potshot" at you sorry. Just keep an open mind to the fact that you just might be wrong.


Back on topic -- Violence in the Bible

or, just violence in the forum. LOL

It amounts to the same thing, doesn't it?

So, from my reading of the book, and what I've seen here, I've come to the conclusion that violence "in God's Name" is A-OK. As long as its ONLY directed against non-believers, or those believers that have pissed off god. And other than that, you "shall not murder" Or be guilty and sent to the firey pits of hell.

Gee, I should've worshiped Crom. The worst he'll do is ask me if I know the riddle of steel. And If I don't know, he'll laugh and throw me off his mountain.

Or maybe I'll start worshipping Ptah, the god of knowledge.

Well I would think that if I state I don't understand or don't get it then isn't that stating that I might be wrong in what I thought was true?? hugh

So as long as I state that "I might be wrong, but..." I can say anything I want about anything or anyone, and ignore any attempts to correct my error, and continue to publicize my erroneous statements??

So thats what I've been doing wrong all these years!


I promise on my solemn honor that this will be my last post regarding this subject.

I apologize to all and sundry for attempting to educate and enlighten, and for wasting everyones time.

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So as long as I state that "I might be wrong, but..." I can say anything I want about anything or anyone, and ignore any attempts to correct my error, and continue to publicize my erroneous statements??

So thats what I've been doing wrong all these years!


I promise on my solemn honor that this will be my last post regarding this subject.

I apologize to all and sundry for attempting to educate and enlighten, and for wasting everyones time.
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no see you are wrong there dear. when I say I don't understand then that is saying that i'am not for sure if my beleifs are wrong and want others understanding on it. don't beat around the bush. i don't have to say i don't understand. if you'd read more than 1 perception and be open up to what 'i don't understand means' then you wouldn't have a problem. and i can't ignore something when the only thing you first said back as a reply was for me to not take potshots. come one---you've gotta have a better explanation. it's ok to be wrong. we all are. but dont' talk to me like i'am ignorant. cuz you were the one that was wrong.
if you say for instance that you don't understand god and list what you've been told and what you've read or seen then is that sayin for sure that yourbeleifs are accuarte. nooooo cuz people do it everyday and state that and then say i don't understand. that is them being open, yet you read and misinterpreted wrong and put the blame on me. i wouldn't call that being open when you made a wrong and blame otheres for it.

Just do not be offended when oters try to correct you or tell you where your logic might be flawed.

Now back on topic -- Violence in the Bible
Did you know that there are X-Rated verses in the Bible

I don't see WHY you are polluting my topic with irrelevant bickering. Back to the subjects!!! I'm yet to get any answers on this:

Explain how the Biblical verses below do not fit into a definition of a "bloodthirsty tyrant who kills or commands to kill children" without going off-topic.


"Now kill all the boys. And kill every women who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man." Numbers 31: 1-18

"Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor." Exodus 32:27

"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them - bring them here and kill them in front of me." Luke 19:27

Hmmmm. I thought it was the devil that did these things, maybe they are one and the same, a figment of our imagination.

zandore, zandore, my friend... we all know that Lucifer was created BY God... so God creates evil... Lucifer can create nothing, only influence... this is what was being spoken of... God created Lucifer----EVIL

WOW, incredible! I make peace, and CREATE EVIL: I the lord do all these things??

Why would you believe in God that creates EVIL? Isnt evil a SIN? How can GOD create SIN?



That explains many things!

u took all of that scripture out of context... u gripe about believers using only the scripture they want, well, u are doing the same... use the context it is said in also.

Jesus was to bring the sword... YEP... against Satan, he was the sword... God created EVIL... YEP, i already explaind that in my prev. post...

No, actually we do not know that God created Lucifer. Point to the verses that tell us that.

Back on topic

God created Satan and now he wants us to kill him? That makes a lot of sense.

For EVERYTHING created by God is GOOD, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude;

-I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and CREATE EVIL:
I the lord do all these things.

2 contradictory statements?

I got them from the Bible