i was kinda waiting for you to reply to my last post. oh well.

Is that or is that not an instruction to do something? This the best you can do? I am just using your Bible like you are and you say that my reference source is not valid....Whats up with that? When a bible verse comes up that they do not like and don't have an answer for all they have to do is call it a parable (Makes it good) and call it wrong or ignore it like it was not in the Bible.What is was asking was why is every verse that has violence in it a parable which you ignored.With an answer of "It's a parable" or "It's out of context" how else are we supposed to take it?Thank You Sir! Finally some one with some common sense.If you are a true firm Believer it reinforces that belief right?

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I suppose since it's a parable it will be impossible to try and get a literal context out of it.[/quote]When a bible verse comes up that they do not like and don't have an answer for all they have to do is call it a parable (Makes it good) and call it wrong or ignore it like it was not in the Bible.
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Well gee if it is a parable then surely it must be. Yes every time you post a quote it's out of context and ridiculous. Every time I have to go and read everything I'm thinking, what is he talking about. So far at least 3 people have said it's a parable and you'll never accept that. Go ahead and ask any Bible scholar, and they'll all agree that it was a parable about an unjust king. You're not using my Bible against me, you're mis quoting it horribly and claiming it as evidence.

[QUOTE]Is that or is that not an instruction to do something? [/QUOTE]
......... Go and read it again, and you'll see Jesus says, that if someone wants to be a enuich then let him be. So you think that's instructions to be a euinch.

Getting a little testy there are you? Where have you seen me say it was not? Have you read me saying that it is in your Bible?No I am not "Misquoting the Bible. What I am doing however is quoting verses out of the Bible.I did and I still say that he is saying go ahead a de-nut (Sorry MODs) your self.




They are so much more graphic with the King James Version.

why dont you throw in gal 5:12, As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves! (NIV)
heh. ancient riposte can be funny.

No I would not want them to go that far.

CONTEXT -

Matthew 19:1-10 - refering to divorce. Jesus was saying not to remarry after divorce. The disciples found this hard to accept......

Matthew 19:11-12 - Jesus replied 'Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For some are eunuchs becuase they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. the one who can accept this should accept it'

The passage takes on a different meaning when looked at in context. There's no command to castrate ourselves. The concept here is akin to that of circumcision. 2000 years ago, God's people, aka 'the Jews' circumcised their children as a sign that they were 'set apart' for God. Some of them (the disciples) were castrated since birth, ie Jews. Some were made that way, ie Gentiles who became Jews. Gentiles who took up the Jewish faith were not forced to submit to ALL the laws that the Jews had. But Jesus, in reference to this teaching says 'The one who can accept this should accept it'. Jew or gentile, if you can, believe it.

This is what I found.


What Bible version did you use?

i believe bobbie is quoting from the NIV.

I have not wanted to comment on this post, because I find it terrifying how so many people are like brainwashed robots, and can try and gloss over so much evil, even though the truth is staring them in the face. How someone can gloss over something so obviously evil as good, or the work of god, is beyond me, it just goes to show the power of fear and brainwashing, its terrifying. I’m just glad to be able to say that I play no part in evil or fear, I just hope people can find a way to see the fear that is blinding them. It proves why evil happens in the world. Ignorance is the great beast, it can convince even the most intelligent of us that evil is in fact good, if you look around the world, most evil is done where the one doing it has convinced them selves, that it is in fact good, or they are doing it in the name of god. I thank the blinded for giving me sight, that only you can dream of, its give me a peace that I once only dreamed was possible. I have to ask the question, what happened to common sense, and thinking for your self ? Right from wrong is not really hard to grasp, why do people need a book to help them think?

The Bible is a good book, lets not forget all the good and comfort its done, but lets not also forget the evil that some reading it have done, when they twist its words in order to do evil against others. These people are growing, and if I where a real Christian id be angered at the slander and evil that is being done in the name of there good book, the bible. I would also say that to Muslims that are having evil done in the name of the good book, the Koran, by the same type of deluded fear obsessed people, that use the bible to do evils work.

all the best
Faeden

Oh No it's the wise and mighty Faeden, the one who knows the truth . All bow down to this mighty wise human being who knows so so much.

LOL did I touch a nerve again

You know if you do not like my beliefs, you can always debate them, and tell me why they annoy you so much.

I know I am beginning to bore people that is why I am thinking of leaving UM, I love this place, but it seems my time is done I expect ill just find another forum to bore people on.

I will grant many people there wishes in time

I have got some quite worrying Pms of late, I must really get some peoples anger flowing.

all the best
Faeden

Faeden,
Naw, you didn't break a nerve but you sure do like insulting people. Seems like you insult others except your beliefs which you get from a median.

it must be all your talk of love!

when it comes to religion, "what's love got to do with it?"

(no playing to the warm-fuzzies to pave over the threats, desire for donimance, atrocities, etc)

ok that's enough,

P4P3R...your post wasn't exactly complimentary either. Back on topic please and keep the personal disputes OFF the forum .


Thankyou

I have never insulted anybody, I do not beat around the bush though when it comes to my beliefs on religious extremism, that thing that causes more evil in the world that anything in history.

I dont care what people believe, as long as it doesnt harm others.

I’m gone.... Thank you for everyone’s kind posts and PM's to me, its been a pleasure. I have learnt so much here, to those that embrace peace, love and light to you all. To those that embrace fear and ignorance enjoy your wrathful god, I hope it works out well for you

Good bye all

all the best
Faeden

I read the bible but the only part that is interesting is the part.....I can't remember. A thought: Why aren't ther pictures in the bibles we read?

Calling us Brainwash is a pretty grave insult.

Sorry Thistle.

His statement was very generalized and didn't even name a specific group! If you take umbrage with the statement, then you must subconciously identify with that unspecified group! On a more somber note - Faeden, you don't bore us, please stick around....don't let the riff raff chase you off (no PT, it wasn't directed at you)!

No faeden dear. You are only looking from your perseptive and not others. You don't bore people faeden. You just seem to insult alot of people. You just stated that you have a right to your beleifs and that is fine, but it has to have a limit on how it hurts those around you. Like I state how I feel but I don't direct my words towards everyone and if I have it's been in every blue moon. Even thought we have been thru alot together since I joined, I don't want you to leave. I like listening to what you have to say when it sticks to the topic and I dont have to hear you bash chiritan religion or those that follow it. You seem to think that what you says isn't wrong and you are so firm. But remember what you told me- take a walk, breathe a breath of fresh air and open yourself up and surround yourself with love. I'am already surrounded with love and I recognize that. So try it faeden instead of bashing everyone and thinking you bore people. Cuz alot of people on here including me like to hear what you say. I find you wise and feel you have alot to say. But not when it offends others like it has me so much. I have seen where I felt you were trying start all over and let our problems go, but when justify what is wrong and what is right, then it won't work. You have got to wanna change, no ridicule intented or pun intended. hehehe either which one. So you leaving wouldn't justify anything. Cuz you shouldn't. Just try to respect and think of others before attacking or bashing them or they're beleifs.

starlitkate, you know Faeden left U.M. for good because he got threatening insults through his e-mail and p.m. box so he won't see this reply unfortunately.

faeden's goodbye thread

OMG-you're kidding right? that's sad that he would do that. maybe if i pm his girlfriend and ask her to tell him to look at what i said that he might come back. hopefully she didn't leave with him. i don't know if it would make a difference, but I would like to know it did. It's awful that he left-that didn't justify anything. And all he's gotta do is ignore those that send him threats.

Well you can try, sad to see him go even though I diagree with the brainwash thing we all are brainedwashed with beliefs, but he was always positive person on U.M.

Check out the link its in my previous post above to see what he wrote.

Ya thanks dear. A friend of mine that fell out with him over me sent me the link in a pm, i was shocked to read it, that he would give up that easy. If he'd just rather be stubborn, let his guard down and give up that easy, then let him. if he truly loved this site, he would had stayed, no matter what..anyways ya it's sad but nothing we can do, and i aint gonna dig deep to get him to stay especially if i can't get ahold of him..

Correct, those were the laws before God gave Moses the Commandments. It wasn't against the laws of the Isrealites to kill or stone those whom rebelled against their parents... God gave him the Commandments to stop those actions.

i must say that would be incorrect.