Is there any solid or semi-solid scientific facts to the existance of God and/or any other superior spiritual beings? The Bible soposidly holds documented accounts of such proof but can the Bible be taken as truth? Not 100%, i mean i dont think i was made out of dirt and women were made from my ribs . Science has already pretty much proven alternate ways of our existance (Evolution, Big Bang Theory). And some not so much scientific theories seem more realistic then The Bible's accounts and the Church's teachings (ex. Alien Hybrids). If God made everything where did he come from? If God is all knowing why would he create the angel Lucifer knowing that one day he would become Satan? If God is all holy and perfectwhy does he show jelousy, anger, frustration,etc? I'm looking for some proof guys if there is any. If you have proof that he does exist or doesnt please post it. Thanks.

No. Just analogies and theories, and speculation.


Why stop at the bible? How about the Qu'ran? Or the Poetic Edda?


Well God made God and God made that God and God made that God and God made that God and God made that God and God made that God and....


So Christianity could yoke humanity into utter submission and fear of an afterlife.


God is unlimited he can do anything, expect be jealsouy or mad or frustrated. He's omnibenevolent after all. (Except the Bible says otherwise and even the Qu'ran.)


All you need is faith man. Thats what every argument for God comes down too. Faith is not proof, so you'll have to keep looking.

Do you want proof of the God that's described in the christian bible or just of God in general? Either way, you're going to be VERY disappointed in your search for proof. It simply doesn't exist. Although reading this almost made me convert:

http://www.thebricktestament.com/

In the Bible it said that Adam was made "out of the dust of the earth."

I suppose this could run along the lines of evolution. The dust being bacteria and such.

Good.....reading. Lots of good graphics.

Hi all

I believe there is a "science" behind god, in a sense anyway.

I wrote an article about it that you can see here... THE UNIVERSAL MIND OF GOD

God is life, and life is god, if you ask me.

Its just a shame that so many "religious people" are obsessed with the killing of life, and obsessed with the ultimate evil against life, and against god, the destruction of all life, or the "end of times".

all the best
Faeden

Hmmm...

This reminds me of the work of Nobel and Templeton prize winner Charles Townes.

There is a bio of him here...

http://www.templetonprize.org/townes_pressrelease.html

You can actually read his paper on the convergence of science and religion here..

http://www.science-spirit.org/pdf/think.pdf

"Is there proof of god and do you guys know where I can find it?" Boy cadetak47, you sure don't ask the easy questions do you?

I think, that if it was ever scientifically proven that god exists, in whatever flavor of religion you care to name, there wouldn't be so much searching and questioning, don't you?

I mean, if the brain trust at MIT or a think tank announced "We have found definative and conclusive proof of the existence of Almighty God!" that it just might make the 6 o'clock news, and probably the front page of every major newspaper on the planet.

It would amuse me greatly to have the spokesman state "OK, you Hebrews, Christians, and Muslims are out of luck. God is really a - a female; and b - A nature goddess. And boy is She pissed!"

when we reach the level of understanding of ourselves, life, and the universe to have proof on gods, we will see then what the "gods" are, and see them as irrelevent and obsolete.

when it comes to gods, is one one too many, and 100 not enough? It seems that the ancient polytheistic cultures had a better grasp on reality than the monotheistic ones. Perhaps we are going backwards to go forward.

Cadetak47,you want proof?Just look around you.Lets say you see a sculpture,you`d have no doubt whatsoever that it was made by a sculptor. And not just works of art: even a few bricks resting on top of one another make one think that they must have been brought to rest just so by someone within a certain plan. Therefore, everywhere where there is an order - either small or big - a founder and protector of this order must also exist.




Hyperactive,I`m afraid I have to disagree with you.The belief in absolute Oneness of God(Tawhîd) in Islâm is the most logical idea that every rational individual could ever think of. Simply because, should there be two, three or more “gods” then, the entire universe would have been in chaos as a result of the competition of and struggle for power among “gods.”

“O mankind! Call to mind the grace of Allâh unto you! Is there a Creator other than Allâh to give you sustenance from heaven or earth? There is no god but He. How then are you deluded away from the Truth? (Qur`an 35:3)

An Islamic fundamentalist, that makes a refreshing change

All the best
Faeden

Whatever floats your bubble

Your accusations are opinion, they too aren't rienforced by scientific or credible evidence.
How about Shakespeare? How about my science text book? How about my mom?
Interesting theory...
Maybe you can tell me why mama's spank their kids with a belt and I can help give another explanation as to why the supposed 'Christian God' loves us.
I agree.

It always doesn't need faith. Sometimes people believe that other abnormal things happen to them, and they think a God is communicating with them...

You'll never know, and never believe me. I've had(seen) a personal experience.

Faeden,I wouldn`t like to put a label on myself,after all every one of us searching for the truth,don`t you?At the moment Islam makes sense to me,that`s all.


“O mankind! Call to mind the grace of Allâh unto you! Is there a Creator other than Allâh to give you sustenance from heaven or earth? There is no god but He. How then are you deluded away from the Truth?" (Qur`an 35:3)

Turtle,you`re right,this verse definitly floats my bubble

Great, try some of that Buddhism next, I hear it's quite good.

MrScienceGuy,how do you know I haven`t tried?Buddha is idolized and subsequently deified.Buddhist philosophy denies the existence of God, but bases itself on a few aspects of human morality and on escaping from sufferings of this world. Without any intellectual or scientific support, it rests upon the twin concepts of karma and reincarnation-the idea that human beings are continually reborn into this world, that their subsequent lives are shaped by their behavior in their previous ones. No Buddhist scripture considers the existence of a Creator, much less how the universe, the world and living things came to be. No Buddhist text describes how the universe was created from nothing; or how living things came into being; or how to explain the evidence, to be seen everywhere in this world, of an incomparable creation. According to the Buddhist deception, it is not even necessary to think about these things! The only important thing in life, Buddhist texts claim, is suppressing desires, revering Buddha, and escaping from suffering.

Therefore buddhism can`t explain everything.It lacks any faith in an eternal afterlife, Buddhism does not urge its devotees to be better or develop themselves, to beautify their environment, or to advance culturally. Islam always urges its adherents to seek out and apply themselves to what is better and more beautiful. Islam's dynamic moral teaching requires people to research and learn, to develop themselves and be useful to their communities. In one verse of the Qur'an (35: 28), God says that "Only those of His servants with knowledge stand truly in awe of Him."

No intellectual or scientific support?! Good thing there's Islam then.



Those deceptive bastards!!! They don't even try to pretend like they know anything about the creation of the world. Not even necessary to think about these things? You mean just live life without bothering with irrelevant questions that cannot be comprehended in the first place? Insane.


If it works for them.



Yes, you need religion to tell you all that in black and white. Strangely though, they seem to do just fine with "beautifying their environment," better developing themselves (have you heard of the enlightenment by any chance?), and as for advancing culturally... Islamic countries have some catching up to do, I'm afraid.

Interesting article, but it is 60 years old.
Would you have any links to newer materialk?

Well I just want to say just believe or not believe, whatever gets you up in the morning and sleep well at night. Whether science proves it or not nothing of our perception can never be absolute!

For me I believe because I want to believe,
"Man cannot find an omen in this world by which to orient himself, "Because...man will always interpret this omen to suit himself."
~Jean-Paul Sartre

Everything is my Omen, whether right or wrong who knows it's just is.

My theory on god is not like some religion though. It's more like God just created everything just for the sake of creation. As for who God is that is tough, you only can judge a man by his words and actions respectfully, even God. Sadly God never spoke to me or acted in front of me. But I can judge in one other way, you can judge an artist by his work, but sadly its your own perception. If god did create the universe and is responsible for the cause and effect then I can judge god by his art, the nature of the universe is in order, the nature of life is to survive, and finally because I believe we are the highest form of existence (human nature), for I have seen no other higher intelligent beings. Then we are like God being able to create of our own self, humanity and dreams.

Well that's all I got to say, there is my science for you Cadetak47!

Ya I'am sure this Big Bang happened and all the planets dirt and bad air made us. ya now say we didn't come from dirt. so yes we did i beleive anyways come from dirt and ribs. it was needed to make life.God was very wise! Also if man did make God then who made man.--i'am guessing you think a black hole and big solor system busted made us and this beautiful planet we live on.i can't seem to think that would be possible.
But I know you are looking for questions..and I konw it is hard to beleive everything but I beleive in God and that is enough for me. It shouldn't be a matter of proof for you or like you are trying to question something you may never know while on earth just to prove something, but you just gotta beleive that it's either true or not.like me i beleive in what the bible tells me cuz it says i should. i have faith in God. if you don't then that's fine. it's basically all a matter of proof of exsistence. and if you don't have faith in God and the bible then I don't think you are gonna get anything more than the big bang theory dear.

yep. just belief. don't question- anything.
and do not use the intellect that god gave you. You might piss him off.

Un-ending question you have there, isn't it? If man made "God", then who made Man. But "God" made man, however man made "God"....etc etc etc...

As a Deist, I read no books for my belief. And the universe isn't in "Order". The universe is a fine mix a BOTH Order AND Chaos. Ying and Yang if you will. Look at some of NASA's Hubble images of entire galaxies colliding through one another...Look at the images of stars going Super Nova, and clouds of flamable sulfuric gas extending some 3 light years from end to end...In the Bible, it says "God" created everything in 7 days? In reality, "God" isn't finished! The universe is still being created as we speak. Stars, galaxies, etc etc etc are being created and destroyed even now.

Please realize folks, we live in a world, where we don't even KNOW how many animals live in our own oceans and seas. We haven't discovered all the animals of this planet yet, and more than likely never will. Now I sit back, and look at how much on this planet that WE don't understand or know about, and I think, "How can we seriously think, that we have things figured out with "God"...? The sheer scope of "God" cannot be contained in some dusty old book people. And we will probably NEVER know how we REALLY came to exsist on this planet (unless of course you die...). I've stated this before and I'll say it again...

The first step we ALL need to take, is admitting that we ALL may indeed.....be WRONG...

Cutting this short, I'm at work.

But I'll leave you guys with this. If you find something to believe in, hold on tight and never let go. Life is bumpy ride, and sometimes we might be plain off the path and into the woods. But if we never lose hope in ourselves as human beings, we will always come out of the woods together. For in the end, all we have is each other and this world to share. (Can't we all just get along? )

Thanks,
LB

I will agree to that.


On the contrary galaxies being destroyed and created would in fact have to obey the laws of physics, chemistry, biology etc. I don't think a galaxy would just crash into another galaxy becuase the universe is "chaotic". There maybe instances of some freak occurasnces but in the end it would have to obey the laws. Have you ever thought the pull of gravity had anything to do with it. As for stars going super nova it could be a nuber of things a comet colliding into it, or the stars mass is so big that it collapse into its self, etc.

Good post I do think we all should get along. But Are you suggesting unification or tolerance?

I think you misread or I didn't get my point across. Gravity is a factor yes, and there a million other factors that could cause that to occur. And yes they obey by laws, of course...? Do you know what a Deist is? I suggest you read up on it a bit. I think you are misunderstanding my stance because of that. Deists believe, in general, that a "Creator" started things rolling (Big Bang or whatever). And things since then have been the process of randomness really. There are slight changes to the Deist Idea or Belief, it really depends on the person.

And yes the universe is generally Chaotic. But from chaos, comes order. Choas creates order. Order is an illusion. It's a stance that our mind takes on keeping things less stressful. It's easier to see things if they are in "order". But this "order" is man-made in our minds. Ever hear of the Choas Theory? Look it up it's pretty cool actually . Basically you can use it to say, if we went back to the time we were created and started again, without knowing the future, we would end up totally different. There are infinite possibilities. Each time, different events would occur, conitinuing down a completely different path, for all of mankind. Some could be really similar, and others could be completely opposite.

Sorry for rambling on a bit

Anyway, Chaos is the natural order of the universe, but from that chaos, comes order as we know it. An order that we create in our heads. On our time scale (thousands of years), things appear ordered because we like it that way, and we build things with order to better help us understand. But on the universes time scale (possibly trillions of years)...it is chaos...See the difference? I think that made sense LOL....ah well I'm trying right?

Thanks for post LordBailey I have read up on chaos theory, but while everything is a random event more like cause and effect there are some things that can't go out order still.

The thing is where did chaos come from, in order to define chaos you would have to have order in the beginning just like you said God created man or is it man that created God. Chaos creates order or order creates chaos. Whose to know its not absolute

I see you read that post from hyperative I'll post a reply later after this one.

I just want to ask what if you are mistaking this randomness for chaos. Couldn't this randomness be in fact order its not like things just go out of the ordinary. What if the order that we create for ourselves or perceptions just be our accuracy in seeing the "order" and not us creating it.

I have more to say but give me time to collect my thoughts i'm having a rough morning.

I'm a Deist also!

I totaly agree.But all the creation stories I read, only one makes sense.When theory of evolution becomes a law I`ll think about my beliefs again,promise.

As I said before even a few bricks resting on top of one another make one think that they must have been brought to rest just so by someone within a certain plan. Therefore, everywhere where there is an order - either small or big - a founder and protector of this order must also exist.
This`s my belief,no more no less.

Hi Imam

I was not making fun, it is generally refreshing to have an Islamic fundamentalist here.



You are a fundamentalist right ? Being you believe it says in the Quran that you quoted There is no god but He. How then are you deluded away from the Truth? Its no different from when a Christian says "There is only one way to heaven, and that’s through Jesus Christ", I know both for a fact are not true, but if people believe that then its all good, as long as others are not harmed in the process of believing that, and its not pushed onto people

all the best
Faeden

Do you know the truth Faeden to be sure of that?

Yes I can be sure of that, just like the next person can be sure of his or hers truth They are my beliefs, and my truths. I do not know the truth of it all, but I do know 100% that you do not have to believe in a certain "god" or belief system to get to heaven.

"Heaven" is all of our home, I have personal experiences that proved to me that this is so, its why I believe it wholeheartedly, not because someone told me so, but because I seen it with my own spirit. Christians, Jews, Muslims, Pagans, whatever they are, all good people are welcome home.

all the best
Faeden

Thanks for the reply Faeden

I am very happy you fell that way. I think personal spirituality is better than the organized religion stuff. For a second there I thought you were actually going to tell me the truth.

LOL There is no such thing as truth really, well not that we puny humans can understand anyway, its why I am not naive enough to give god a name, or even a face, i just have faith that love is all that matters.

all the best
Faeden

That's cool.

My own spiritual goals are a bit way over my head. I search for one day to become like God to create whatever I feel is of my own will. I do some of it already by creating art. An ambitious goal but one hopes to wonder the possibilities beyond life on earth.

You should join Mormonism, if you do everything right, you'll become like God

No, I trust my own spirituality, not some organized religion of people who think they are better than everbody.