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Haullie
Do you believe that Ancient people knew about Alien Life and UFO's due to the amount of ancient symbols, paintings and artifacts that lead to clues of their visitations for thousands of years?

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vulturetotem
I have to say yes, I believe it. There is just too
much evidence.
Mr Ed
yeah, a load of stuff from the 12-17th century depicts stuff. its not ancient but it still supports the idea that ufo's have been around for a long time. My pic part of a 500 yr old painting or something like that.
Amalgamut
Here is a link, its pretty good.

http://www.ufoartwork.com/
eckogangsta
Yup.

Some of these images are very clear and you can find the UFO/Extraterrestrial easily. Some you will have to search for.

Hint: Look in the backround of the pics.
Amalgamut
"The madonna with st. giovaninni" is pretty clear. I think it was painted circa 1500. Its probably my favorite.
aquatus1
I willing to bet that not a single person who is promoting UFO's in Renaissance artwork is capable of explaining what symbolism is and why it was used in that period's paintings.

No, I cannot say that I believe the ancients knew of alien life, and if they did conceive of it, it was only in the same manner in which they conceived of other tribes beyond rivers or mountains; in other places, as opposed to other planets. I do not believe any of the ancient artwork that I have ever seen depicts alien life (and, please, before people challenge me, simply for the sake of diversity first find out what the people who research these things believe these symbols to be, and if you disagree with them, then demand a more through explanation). I cannot vote NO, because some of these signs are not "could be anything", but rather have very specific meanings, functions, and uses (Mr. Ed, your avatar is included in these).

As to UFO's...of course they saw UFO's. Heck, we still see them, and we know a heck of a lot more about meteorological phenomena than they did.
Babs
Yes, I think they drew UFO's in the paintings and wall carvings, I don't know about visitors, but I tend to think if they drew UFO's or visitors, they must have seen them or heard about them. Human testimony turns into legend and myth, and artwork depicts life.
~TheBigK~
Yes, i have to say I believe they saw UFO's and what not, and depicted them in paintings of sorts.
Stroobos
I think you can draw so many conclusions and see so much in pictures if you look for it, of course they saw ufo's and as said before they were probably "normal space sightings", meteorites and what not. The only thing that is a bit weird in this case is that on numerous pictures you do see the same image in almost exactly the same shape (the black hat model), so who knows. But as far as im concerned they were visited as much by ufo's as we are today.
fallingalien
QUOTE(aquatus1 @ Apr 21 2005, 06:48 PM)
I willing to bet that not a single person who is promoting UFO's in Renaissance artwork is capable of explaining what symbolism is and why it was used in that period's paintings.

No, I cannot say that I believe the ancients knew of alien life, and if they did conceive of it, it was only in the same manner in which they conceived of other tribes beyond rivers or mountains; in other places, as opposed to other planets.  I do not believe any of the ancient artwork that I have ever seen depicts alien life (and, please, before people challenge me, simply for the sake of diversity first find out what the people who research these things believe these symbols to be, and if you disagree with them, then demand a more through explanation).  I cannot vote NO, because some of these signs are not "could be anything", but rather have very specific meanings, functions, and uses (Mr. Ed, your avatar is included in these).

As to UFO's...of course they saw UFO's.  Heck, we still see them, and we know a heck of a lot more about meteorological phenomena than they did.
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I can, the one with Jesus is clouds with lightning coming out of them, the pictures could also be clouds in it and you don't know if they loved comets, maybe they put one or two in the picture to make it look better
aquatus1
QUOTE(fallingalien @ Apr 22 2005, 12:08 PM)
I can, the one with Jesus is clouds with lightning coming out of them, the pictures could also be clouds in it and you don't know if they loved comets, maybe they put one or two in the picture to make it look better
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Very close. original.gif You are on the right track. Here's a hint, the thing that looks like a comet being driven by a little man is actually the sun; see if you can find the corresponding picture of the moon (it is one of the user poster images), and then you can probably figure out what the symbolism of the two indicates in a Renaissance picture
Babs
How about some info. on this symbols' thing? You say 'they' meaning the researchers think, but they don't know for sure, right? huh.gif I mean, they didn't live back then.
aquatus1
QUOTE(Babs @ Apr 22 2005, 02:29 PM)
How about some info. on this symbols' thing? You say 'they' meaning the researchers think, but they don't know for sure, right? huh.gif I mean, they didn't live back then.
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It is a common fallacy that a person must be present in order to understand what happened in the past. It simply isn't so; if it were, we would have an entire field of forensic scientist and investigators out of work.

The past is quite easy (on occasion) to figure out, particularly when it involves objects designed for the very purpose of, well...showing off. When we speak of Renaissance art, we are speaking precisely of these sorts of objects.

The first thing that needs to be understood is that artists in the Renaissance were not like artists as we think of them today. Creativity was not something looked upon as an asset. Artists where commissioned to paint very specific things, in a very specific way, and little leeway was given. The reason for this is in the reason why the paintings were commissioned by the rich in the first place. The rich families of the Renaissance, the Medici's, the Pansos, etc, generally got rich by lending money, i.e. usury, which was considered a no-no in the Christian religion, in an age where acting non-christian was a good way to end up as a roast in the town square. To generate the good PR they needed, money was given lavishly to the church, and public work projects were generously funded. Culture was a big thing. Monuments, statues, artwork, all with very subtle, yet clear signs, of their patrons were, in effect, the very first public relations campaign.

So, what are these symbols? They are a necessary tool designed to share with a largely illiterate population the message that is being conveyed by the artwork. Remember that there was little margin for error here. Unlike today, where bad publicity is almost as good as good publicity, back then, controversy was not the way to go, and it had to be very clear that you were the pious, righteous, God-fearing sinner you were paying money to be. To this end, symbols. Mr. Ed has, as his avatar, the symbol of the moon, adapted from the pagan legend of the Greek moon goddess riding on a crescent moon. Also from the Greeks is the symbol of the sun, which is the comet looking one. Individual, the represent daytime or night, but both together, on opposite sides of the canvas as shown on the painting these came from, they indicate a day, more specifically the day of the crucifixion.

Renaissance symbology is a well-recorded, extensively documented, and throughly interesting study, none of it guess work and very little of it requiring deduction from third-party sources. It was, frankly, the language of the common masses. This is not say, however, that all the UFOs in the pictures are, in fact, UFOs. My personal favorite is the picture of St. Nicholas kneeling at the foot of the crucifixion, with what some claim to be a UFO a little was from him and under the cross. I have personally seen this painting; not six months ago, my nose was six inches from it. If one looks at the entire painting, not just that little section of it, it becomes clear that the UFO is not a UFO, but rather a red Cardinal's hat, identical to the ones being worn by the troop of cardinals in conference in the corner of the very same picture!
Babs
Interesting. What about some of these other paintings in these photos?
PadawanOsswe
I think some of the pictures painted in the ancient/old days were UFO's, but people didnt really know what they were, most people probably thought it was their God/gods visiting them. I read about a UFO visit made in france during the colonial era. its interesting, people flocked to churches because they though the aliens were either demons, or a plague sent by god. so UFO encounters in the ancient days were usually Spiritual/Religious events.
vulturetotem
It's not just the art work that convinces me but the
knowledge is also important here. The ability to move
massive stones, the antikythera device and the ica
stones to name few things that have not (to me) been
sufficiently explained by conventional science.
aquatus1
What's to explain? Societies all around the world managed to move massive stones in a variety of different and inventive ways (and, occasionally, through simple brute strength). The antikythera device was an excellent example of the extent of the knowledge cetaing academics of the time possessed, and the Ica stones are a hoax (I'ts pretty much an open secret down there. I used to visit Ica regularly when we went to see my dad's family. The stones were, and still are, created pretty much for the tourists.)
fallingalien
QUOTE(aquatus1 @ Apr 22 2005, 09:48 AM)
QUOTE(fallingalien @ Apr 22 2005, 12:08 PM)
I can, the one with Jesus is clouds with lightning coming out of them, the pictures could also be clouds in it and you don't know if they loved comets, maybe they put one or two in the picture to make it look better
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Very close. original.gif You are on the right track. Here's a hint, the thing that looks like a comet being driven by a little man is actually the sun; see if you can find the corresponding picture of the moon (it is one of the user poster images), and then you can probably figure out what the symbolism of the two indicates in a Renaissance picture
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no, not that one, the one with the ones that look like jellyfish, why does it matters if UFOs are in pictures painted of jesus way after his death, so that don't count as really being there. and, there is tiiny dots in on a different picture, how could someone make a UFO that small on a painting? and one picture looked like someone painted crap on it after wards, which had alien faces in it and looked very hard to paint?
AutumnDragon
I believe so. Ive seen many old painting with ufos on them.

eckogangsta
QUOTE(fallingalien @ Apr 23 2005, 03:19 PM)
and, there is tiiny dots in on a different picture, how could someone make a UFO that small on a painting? and one picture looked like someone painted crap on it after wards, which had alien faces in it and looked very hard to paint?


The paint can be dated back to a certain time. If it were hoaxed it would be easily known thumbsup.gif
Undefined_innocence
I also think that people thought they were gods, or demons. They are in several of the religious pictures.
And with people saying " OOPS, paint oopsie! "
There are some just too detailed to be oopsies.
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