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The Roswell Man
Whats ur opinion?
Super Pancake
Well many of us believe heaven and the soul importantly is a metaphysical thing so "no" if that's the case.

But I remember Ashley Star-Child argued that the soul is made of electricity that would make it a material thing not a metaphysical being, so if it is so then "yes" heaven is out there and can be reached hypothetically. With the right technology we could get there without dying check it out if we realyy want to chill there. And don't forget we would have a heck of a hard time finding it also the universe is way to big.
zandore
Per Christian belief so far only 2 have been taken up by God (Alive). Ashley's beloved Enoch is one and I can not remember the other ones name. So yes it is possible.
LoVer_Of_GoD
i believe the other was Elisha, but im not 100% sure..
starlitkate
QUOTE(Super Pancake @ Apr 22 2005, 08:19 AM)
Well many of us believe heaven and the soul importantly is a metaphysical thing so "no" if that's the case.

But I remember Ashley Star-Child argued that the soul is made of electricity that would make it a material thing not a metaphysical being, so if it is so then "yes" heaven is out there and can be reached hypothetically. With the right technology we could get there without dying check it out if we realyy want to chill there. And don't forget we would have a heck of a hard time finding it also the universe is way to big.
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I would have to disagree with ashley star for once. i don't beleive the soul is made out of electricity. anyone ever seen that movie called mothman or whatever it was. that was such nonsense.
not dissing ya ash girl, but nope i have to disagree. if it aint in the bible i dont beleive in. electricity was invented and came to be by man, not god. so i doubt we are lightning bolts zapping around.sorry dear, i don't see it original.gif
zandore
QUOTE(LoVer_Of_GoD @ Apr 22 2005, 09:31 AM)
i believe the other was Elisha, but im not 100% sure..
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I think you are right.


Now for the bonus question....Who were the men that hung on the cross with Jesus?
LoVer_Of_GoD
hold on, got a lot of free time today... ill look right now.
zandore
QUOTE(LoVer_Of_GoD @ Apr 22 2005, 09:44 AM)
hold on, got a lot of free time today... ill look right now.
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Just there names.
Irish
QUOTE(zandore @ Apr 22 2005, 07:29 AM)
Per Christian belief so far only 2 have been taken up by God (Alive). Ashley's beloved Enoch is one and I can not remember the other ones name. So yes it is possible.
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Now Zandore you know that other person even if you don't believe it.
Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
It was Jesus Himself
zandore
QUOTE(Irish Posted Today @ 10:27 AM )
It was Jesus Himself
Per Christian belief Jesus was a part of God (Trinity) not just a man. Also Jesus had to die first. thumbsup.gif

That was close.
The Roswell Man
Where did ASC hypothesis about the soul made of electricity cu from? huh.gif
zandore
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Where did ASC hypothesis about the soul made of electricity cu from?
Way out in left field. blink.gif
lightbeyondthedark
Totally possible to reach heaven without dying...

rapture...

LBD
JMPD1
A student once asked a master:
Master, can one pray hard enough to make water run up hill?
The master replied:
Of course.
The student then asked:
How hard must one pray?
To which the master answered:
Why, hard enough to make water run up hill.

- Taken from the Notebooks of Lazerus Long

Irish
QUOTE(zandore @ Apr 22 2005, 08:32 AM)
QUOTE(Irish Posted Today @  10:27 AM )
It was Jesus Himself
Per Christian belief Jesus was a part of God (Trinity) not just a man. Also Jesus had to die first. thumbsup.gif

That was close.
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But he was physically alive when He ascended.
Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
This was after the ressurection.
zandore
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But he was physically alive when He ascended.
Yes but he didn't he die first?
Irish
QUOTE(zandore @ Apr 22 2005, 08:43 AM)
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But he was physically alive when He ascended.
Yes but he didn't he die first?
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Well you have me on a technical foul there! blink.gif
zandore
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Well you have me on a technical foul there!
As I said before that was close.
The Roswell Man
i heard a thoery that it culd be on another plane; that is in another dimension.
If this is the case i doubt we can enter another dimension
since physics laws say thats impossible. unsure.gif crying.gif disgust.gif no.gif
zandore
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i heard a thoery that culd be on another plane; that is in another dimension.
If this is the case i doubt we can enter another dimensionsince physics laws say thats impossible.
We are finding out more and more every year. How long ago was it that every one (Most) thought that man would never fly?
Super Pancake
QUOTE(The Roswell Man @ Apr 22 2005, 09:55 AM)
i heard a thoery that it culd be on another plane; that is in another dimension.
If this is the case i doubt we can enter another dimension
since physics laws say thats impossible. unsure.gif  crying.gif  disgust.gif  no.gif
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When you say dimension do you mean a level of existence or consciousness to what is reality, or you mean like an alternate universe?
The Roswell Man
alternate universe.
skypryer
Jesus died, and his spirit (which is also God), went to wherever it is our souls rest/hangout before judgement day, for 3 days he was there, and then he came back to the physical world (Jesus), to give one last message, and then he ascended to Heaven.

From my understanding, when we die, we don't go to Heaven (or Hell) at first. Our spirits rest or hang out at some place until Judgement day. Then God calls every person that died, and is still living, (their spirit), and judges them accordingly. Then, for the believers, he makes a New Jerusalem, or a new earth, and our new bodies as believers (whether it's physical in a sense, or our spiritual body) live in this new earth. Some say that New Jerusalem is Heaven, but to my belief, it is a whole new place that God creates for us, and we live how Adam was supposed to live, but with no more temptation (because Satan is out of hte picture). Now, we probably can visit Heaven (which New Jerusalem might be at the gates of Heaven), but our home is on New Jerusalem.

Elijah (Elisha?) is the one taken before his death. He asked God to take him because he was tired of this worldly life, and God answered him with a yes. So he took Elijah, before his physical death.

And then there will be the rapture, where all those living here on the Earth that are believers during the tribulation or before it (it doesn't specify when on a time table) will be taken up, but first the spirits of the dead will be taken. God might have us wait in Heaven with him til Judgement day, or he might take us to wait somewhere else, I couldn't tell ya. original.gif
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