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Shaftsbury
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Self-proclaimed South Florida ‘psychic’ Linda Marks is back in jail this weekend after scamming a Boynton Beach woman out of $38,000 that she offered to “cleanse of its evil spirits.


I'm not sure how many have read this on the main Front Page News. When I first read the title I chuckled to myself and thought "cleanse them of evil spirits....RIIIIIIIGHT"

But then it started me thinking, what's the difference between this psychic, and some of the evangelists that you see on late night TV? Why would I dismiss her as a phoney, when I am expected to believe that these men in their fancy suits and their sparkling teeth are not?
LoVer_Of_GoD
ALL TV EVANGELISTS, OR PSYCHICS, OR MEDIUMS OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES ARE CHARLATAINS.... if u are given a miraculous gift like that from God, which i know psychics and mediums DO NOT, u wouldnt be on TV showing off, because God would take it away for misuse....
Fluffybunny
I get the feeling that most are scam artist(Benny hinn comes to mind at the top of the list), although I can't say that is the case for all of them, as some seem to be pretty honest people who are trying to do good...


LoVer_Of_GoD
yeah, do good to make themselves money... just my opinion though.... why would they be on tv if it werent for that particular reason?
Fluffybunny
QUOTE(LoVer_Of_GoD @ Apr 25 2005, 09:18 AM)
yeah, do good to make themselves money... just my opinion though.... why would they be on tv if it werent for that particular reason?
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TV reaches many more people than does a single church...
LoVer_Of_GoD
and so does word.... u will notice that the churches that these people are in aint just a little church either... so they must be cashin in a lot of money.... and where does it go, i wonder? the poket of the preacher or "healer".... that is why i dont give money to my church, all the ones i been to, the preacher had a really nice car, and a big house.... why does he have these things if being a preacher is his only occupation? and his wife never worked/??
Fluffybunny
I am not saying that is not the situation in many cases; but I do not generalize when I do not know them all, nor do I know what their intentions are.

Generalizing about ALL of anything is generally a bad idea...
Shaftsbury
A perfect example of this is Jim Bakker, a few years ago I used to catch his show occasionally on late nights (and really boring nights) just to watch him cry and for Tammy's famous makeup.


At the time I thought the guy was a total fraud, but his show just kept going, and going, and going.

Ok it's a few years later now, he's spent time in prison, lost his wife and remarried?
and now I just spotted this on Google:


http://www.jimbakkershow.com/


Why is is that these people never seem to go away? And why is is so hard for people to see through them?
LoVer_Of_GoD
yah i know what u are saying, but it is a fact that if u are going to be a faith healer of the CHRISTIAN faith, u are supposed to keep urself humble, and not lift urself up...
starlitkate
QUOTE(Fluffybunny @ Apr 25 2005, 11:08 AM)
I get the feeling that most are scam artist(Benny hinn comes to mind at the top of the list), although I can't say that is the case for all of them, as some seem to be pretty honest people who are trying to do good...
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Hehehe ya I know what you saying. I like TBN, but only time I find to bringing myself to watching it is if John Haggee is on there, or the lady with the makeup and pink hair--cuz no matter what her looks are-she's as sweet as a lily, and the movies they show.
Everytime I see Binny Hinn Minestries come on I glance and wanna turn it and most time I do. And I think to myslef he's gotta be real. Look at all those people getting saved cuz of him. Then I think, well isn't that what the Antichrist will do-is what Binny is doing. Which is heal and save millions. And I think ya and plus Benny Hinn is from the middle east.hehehe no that was a joke! laugh.gif

But I guess I can't judge anyone. But ya I don't understand it either. My stepfathers brothernlaw and his wife own a church and they have a nice new home, top vehicles while my stepfather and rest of his family including they're mother scrape to get by. I don't understand it. It's like they don't work. They stay home and go to church and never have to worry. i always thought why they don't take the money and put it up in a church account or send like 10 % off to like The Childrens Hospital and put rest in a church account that can't be touched unless approved by the church itself and for a good reason for it to be used.

But I guess I can't question it!! thumbsup.gif
Pyxis
I don't trust those guys as far as I can throw them. With my bad leg I shouldn't be throwing anybody innocent.gif
Something Like Laughter
id agree many of them are in it for the money. benny hinn and bob tilton (sp?) come to mind easily as frauds.
for a little comic relief somewhat related to the subject: its godstuff http://www.wittenburgdoor.com/doortv.html grin2.gif
SilverCougar
Meh.. never asked for anything if I have a moment of psychicness... It comes.. it goes... I leave it up to the Fates to deside when I have them.
Amalgamut
John Hagee is a true man of God, and he is a TV evangelist.

He may be only one of the few who arent doing it for the money, but for promoting the word of God.

I think Benny Hinn might be a fake. His "miracles" on the stage don't impress me.
Neo2005
T.V. Evangelists=Con Artists who preach the "word of god"
PadawanOsswe
QUOTE(LoVer_Of_GoD @ Apr 25 2005, 06:58 AM)
ALL TV EVANGELISTS, OR PSYCHICS, OR MEDIUMS OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES ARE CHARLATAINS.... if u are given a miraculous gift like that from God, which i know psychics and mediums DO NOT, u wouldnt be on TV showing off, because God would take it away for misuse....
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I dont belive that all TV Evangelists are in it for money, a few seem to just be in it to spread the word. but then again you never know, and plus not all TV evangelists claim to have any powers of any sort.
ForRizzle
These men would never rip off innocent believers, sick and old people... Just because they have bad wigs and look like used car salesmen does not make them bad.

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PadawanOsswe
lol
Amalgamut
hahahaha ^^^^
SilverCougar
The dude with the pointy hat makes me teehee
Amalgamut
QUOTE(SilverCougar @ Apr 25 2005, 04:38 PM)
The dude with the pointy hat makes me teehee
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Yeah, I dunno who that guy is. blink.gif

I've never seen him on TBN before! Thats for sure. no.gif
SilverCougar
if I remember right...

He is to Pagan/wiccan-ism what Benny hin or whatever his name is, is to Christianity.

But my memory is shotty at best....
Lostchild1962
Yeah Benny Hinn came to mind as well as The Bakers..pretty sad how greed can make alot forget what it should be really all about..
ForRizzle
They are all (or most) a bunch of fraudulent pirates!
Amalgamut
QUOTE(ForRizzle @ Apr 25 2005, 05:29 PM)
They are all (or most) a bunch of fraudulent pirates!
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Butt pirates at that!!! rofl.gif
Amalgamut
QUOTE(PadawanOsswe @ Apr 25 2005, 03:55 PM)
QUOTE(LoVer_Of_GoD @ Apr 25 2005, 06:58 AM)
ALL TV EVANGELISTS, OR PSYCHICS, OR MEDIUMS OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES ARE CHARLATAINS.... if u are given a miraculous gift like that from God, which i know psychics and mediums DO NOT, u wouldnt be on TV showing off, because God would take it away for misuse....
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I dont belive that all TV Evangelists are in it for money, a few seem to just be in it to spread the word. but then again you never know, and plus not all TV evangelists claim to have any powers of any sort.
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Yes, I agree.
starlitkate
QUOTE(Amalgamut @ Apr 25 2005, 04:21 PM)
John Hagee is a true man of God, and he is a TV evangelist.

He may be only one of the few who arent doing it for the money, but for promoting the word of God.

I think Benny Hinn might be a fake. His "miracles" on the stage don't impress me.
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Ya I love John Hagee. I do beleive he is a man of God...But as far as Benny Hinn, I can't say he is a fake cuz God speaks that people will ridicule you and call you a fake. He's a sweet guy and I feel he's very what do you call it?-humble. Ya that's it. But you never know. Fakes are black sheep in white sheeps clothing! huh.gif
Mad Manfred
I like what Billy Connolly said about them:

"These guys say God speaks to them.

Go to any mental institution in any country and tell them that and they wont even let you home for your f***ing pyjamas!"
Paranoid Android
QUOTE(LoVer_Of_GoD @ Apr 26 2005, 03:23 AM)
and so does word.... u will notice that the churches that these people are in aint just a little church either... so they must be cashin in a lot of money.... and where does it go, i wonder? the poket of the preacher or "healer".... that is why i dont give money to my church, all the ones i been to, the preacher had a really nice car, and a big house.... why does he have these things if being a preacher is his only occupation?  and his wife never worked/??
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I must admist, I don't know what churches are like in America - maybe it's all big business. But in Australia where I am, church is a lot more modest. There are exceptions (Hillsong is very "American" from what I understand), but the church I attend, we have two ministers, plus two student ministers. The head minister drives a 1998 Toyota Tarago (I don't know if you have these in the U.S, so I'll editorialise a little and say it's a people mover. If I'm telling you information you know already, I'm sorry). The English congregation pastor owns an even older, not sure what model, "Nissan Maxima" (small two-door hatch - again if you in America know what they are, then sorry). I'm not sure what the two student minister's drive - they are still fairly new at the church, but the old student minister took public transport; he couldn't afford a car.

I have had thoughts about Bible college after I've finished my degree - maybe I'll minister in America - lots of money hehehehehe grin2.gif Sorry, shouldn't joke.

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Amalgamut
QUOTE(Mad Manfred @ Apr 26 2005, 07:12 AM)
I like what Billy Connolly said about them:

"These guys say God speaks to them.

Go to any mental institution in any country and tell them that and they wont even let you home for your f***ing pyjamas!"
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Some could say the same thing about you and your obsession with Mugato. wacko.gif
bluewave20
QUOTE(Amalgamut @ Apr 25 2005, 01:21 PM)

John Hagee is a true man of God, and he is a TV evangelist.

He may be only one of the few who arent doing it for the money, but for promoting the word of God.

I think Benny Hinn might be a fake. His "miracles" on the stage don't impress me.
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John Hagee is an exploiter of the weak minded. I have attended his ministries to observe his behavior. He is a very intelligent man and an excellent manipulator. This man is NOT humble. If he truly wants to spread the word of God, why charge for audio and videotapes (as opposed to selling them at cost? Why is he FOR profit and run NO non-profit charities? Hagee lives in the same neighborhood as some of the San Antonio Spurs players. What is humble about that? Also I'd like to note that once a month he reminds people of the importance of tithing. Why would this be so important? Also on the offering envelope is a reminder to tithe 10%. Tithing was written in the old testament by early scam artists, which Jesus later addresses with the only outburst of anger from him in the Bible, by upturning tables in the church to people who were selling indulgences or ways into heaven.
Rule of thumb, if they're on TV, they're probably in it for the money. Don't be fooled by cheap tricks. I know there are some good men and women on TV, but it's probably best to find a religious leader in your community to follow. Some of the most honorable and religious men I've ever met, are small town religious leaders. One more point, if you listen to these manipulative people on TV they're going to dupe you, I guarantee it. Try to research a religion, before you bet your soul on it. I've studied religion and theology for 10 years, and found the faith I believed was right for me only two years ago.
I don't mean to be caustic to anyone's views, I just want people to be informed. If you have any comments or questions, feel free to e-mail me, please no pejorative remarks.

Dr. John Hartman
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