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Cebrakon
ph34r.gif The secret to interstellar travel is known to very few. It must be possible, however, since the UFOs do it all the time. Star-planet-moon combinations harboring intelligent humanoids are very rare, maybe a hundred light years apart. I can guarantee that star travel does not violate the laws of physics. (1) There is no connection between gravity and electro-magnetism. So electro-gravitics is bunk. (2) Wormholes can only be held open with negative mass, but that has paradoxical properties. The less you push on it, the more it accelerates away from you. (3) Any technological approach runs into a law of vanishing returns at 0.1 C. Even if you could somehow approach C, that is still far too slow. See above. tongue.gif

devil.gif Visiting humanoids will not tell us how to go to the stars. That would violate the Prime Directive (absolutely the only thing that Star Trek got right). Indeed, count on them for misdirection and disinformation. This is for our own good. We are far too brutal and violent a species to be turned loose on the universe.

ph34r.gif Nonetheless, the behavior of UFOs provides most of the clues we need. For instance, UFOs jump hundreds of lightyears in an instant. How do we know that? Because they started showing up in sizable numbers only a year and a half after Hiroshima. The foo-fighters must have gone home, and spread the word up and down the star-traveling community that Earth had gotten interesting. We had gone nuclear, but had no global civilization to keep it under control. (And we still don't). For expeditions to be planned, for several different species to begin arriving in 1947, the actual mode of transportation must be instantaneous jumping across hundreds of lightyears.

no.gif What if you don't believe in the reality of UFOs as the star-craft of star traveling humanoids? Then I suggest you do some research. Read the book edited by Charles Bowen called The Humanoids . Until you do that, I refuse to talk to you. Scientific evidence is the only thing that counts.

cool.gif UFO believers nearly always think they must just have more sophisticated technology than we do. However, just as physics cannot violate the laws of logic, so technology cannot violate the laws of physics. UFOs do not, and cannot travel by technology. The laws of physics do not allow star travel.

ph34r.gif But the UFOs are here. What does that mean? It means they do not travel by technology.

happy.gif Levitation and teleportation constitute the means of travel of UFOs, whether going silently low and slow, or dashing back out to space or getting home before tea time. Levitation and teleportation are powers of the mind, not powers of physical matter.

tongue.gif What if you believe that the mind is the brain? Then you had better do some research. Psychical research. You could start with the discovery of reincarnation by Prof. Ian Stevenson. Look him up on the web. Obviously, the mind or spirit cannot be anything physical, since the physical body rots and dissolves eventually into its component atoms. The mind or spirit cannot be made of atoms. In fact, it must be dark matter. Dark matter was first discovered by astronomers to account for the non-Keplerian rotation curves of spiral galaxies. It is dark because it has no interaction with the Electro-Magnetic (EM) force. Thus, it is invisible and intangible, yet it has mass.

wacko.gif There was a physician who weighed the spirit, by detecting the change in mass at the instant of death. It is 21 grams. You can look that up on the web too.

ph34r.gif Since dark matter is quite different from ordinary matter, it can have different properties, so far unknown to physicists. Psychical researchers know something about the dark matter that makes up the mind.

ph34r.gif Levitation and teleportations are properties of the mind, and the secret to star travel. It is as simple as that. Levitation and teleportation are part of human experience, and powers born to a few. They are the only phenomena that resembles UFO phenomena. What is not so simple is how mankind develops to a stage where we too can teleport hundreds of light years.

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See the URL below for more on these topics. thumbsup.gif
rachelkleypassparrow
Thank you for scientifically validating what I have been saying all along. We are energy confined in matter. The matter is made up of atoms and molecules, but we are far much more.

love, light and peace
Stellar
I dont know where to start with this. You dont offer a shread of evidence, and you seem to think that since on one case a living creature (experiment used dogs IIRC) dying and having a change in mass of 21 g, it must be a constant and must be the spirit. It is not constant, it doesnt always happen and theres no reason to think its the spirit.
vulturetotem
I see no mention of dimensional shifts here. String theory
dictates that there are at least 10 dimensions, so why would
"aliens" have to be from another planet? They could be just
shifting realities. The soul/mind may used to power these
crafts but how can we begin to understand the spiritual/physics
that would be involved? I have heard theories that something
as significant as hiroshima gives these crafts something to
home in on. Like a focus point into our reality.

Personally, I think it is impossible for our brains to comprehend
such things.

Oh yeah, star-trek must have got the "federation" thing
right too.
Cebrakon
QUOTE(Stellar @ Apr 26 2005, 09:23 AM)
I dont know where to start with this. You dont offer a shread of evidence, and you seem to think that since on one case a living creature (experiment used dogs IIRC) dying and having a change in mass of 21 g, it must be a constant and must be the spirit. It is not constant, it doesnt always happen and theres no reason to think its the spirit.
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O Omnipotent Entity grin2.gif , of course I offer evidence, in the same way it is always done in science. I don't repeat the raw data in this posting; I just point you the way to find the raw data. Try reading Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation, by Prof. Ian Stevenson. It is a technical monograph. You didn't expect me to include it in my posting, did you?

What Ian Stevenson's work shows is that the essential self does survive death and does show up in a new incarnation. In the cases he studies, the child consciously remembers the former lifetime at age 2 to 5 and can describe it in great (and testable) detail. Thus, the mind is not the brain. That is all I wished to establish.

Beyond this, what we have are theories. People with HSP can see a complex structure of chakras, nadi and auras, pretty much as described by the Yogis, and confirmed by Taoist theories of acupuncture. It is that thing which I believe is dark matter, and thus has mass. It would be difficult to get permission from the dying or their family to repeat Professor Macdougal's experiment today. By the way, how do you know it is not constant and doesn't always happen?

You are right that this thing seen by HSP may not be the spirit and may not transfer to the new body. We may have to distinguish between energy body, mind, and spirit. Further research is needed.

Being a different thing, the mind can have different properties, such as the intrinsic powers of levitation and teleportation. In fact, there have been scientific controlled studies, proving that at least some humans have teleportation. See the Chinese Studies, in the book, in the URL below.

Have a good day, O Omnipotent One grin2.gif !
Walken
At last Stellar, us Omnipotent's get recognition! w00t.gif

I need to sleep on this. It's the most well thought out post I've read on here in recent hours.
Cebrakon
QUOTE(vulturetotem @ Apr 26 2005, 10:18 AM)
I see no mention of dimensional shifts here. String theory
dictates that there are at least 10 dimensions, so why would
"aliens" have to be from another planet? They could be just
shifting realities. The soul/mind may used to power these
crafts but how can we begin to understand the spiritual/physics
that would be involved? I have heard theories that something
as significant as hiroshima gives these crafts something to
home in on. Like a focus point into our reality.

Personally, I think it is impossible for our brains to comprehend
such things.

  Oh yeah, star-trek must have got the "federation" thing
right too.
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grin2.gif I didn't want to put my entire 280 page book in this posting tongue.gif . It is intriguing that the only empirical evidence for String Theory so far is teleportation, and that must make use of the extra spatial dimensions. It is impossible to live in these extra dimensions. Physical matter can only exist in the familiar 4-space, 3 of real space,and 1 of imaginary time "iC", where i = sqr(-1).

Our brains comprehend nothing, though they do some useful pre-processing and data-storage. It is the spirit that comprehends, and it can comprehend far more than is in your philosophy, Horatio.

And, oh yeah, I would challenge the "federation" idea as well. Star-traveling humanoids do stay in touch, and probably visit one another. However, only the spiritually advanced cultures get to be star-travelers, because of Fermi's Paradox. (I am not going to explain that here. Not enough space.) Spiritually advanced beings are not hostile. There are no space wars, no invasions of other planets. That is all science-fiction garbage. So there is no need for a "federation" to keep the peace. rofl.gif
JohnnyBoyC
QUOTE(Cebrakon @ Apr 26 2005, 12:25 AM)

ph34r.gif Levitation and teleportations are properties of the mind, and the secret to star travel.  It is as simple as that.  Levitation and teleportation are part of human experience, and powers born to a few.  They are the only phenomena that resembles UFO phenomena.  What is not so simple is how mankind develops to a stage where we too can teleport hundreds of light years.


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Ok you think that by thinking really hard you can just Jump thousands of lightyears? HUMANS CANT DO THAT no.gif plus that would be against the laws of Physics. Plus isnt levitation ALSO against the laws of physics! w00t.gif IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO MOVE FASTER THAN LIGHT. because you would have to move during teleportation and you would have to pss and completly override C and that has been PROVEN IMPOSSIBLE! geek.gif

Anyway OF COURSE they use SOME SORT OF TECHNOLOGY they cant just say "Oh lets think about going to earth and we will be there in a milisecond!"
I suggest you do some research! original.gif
Stellar
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In the cases he studies, the child consciously remembers the former lifetime at age 2 to 5 and can describe it in great (and testable) detail.


Testable hmm? You mean to tell me that the child studied gave a description that could only fit one person from the past, and that one persons deepest details (among the billions of people of the past) were found?

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By the way, how do you know it is not constant and doesn't always happen?


Because of other experiments...

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In fact, there have been scientific controlled studies, proving that at least some humans have teleportation.


Im quite sure there havent been any scientifically proven teleportation stunts done naturally by humans...

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because you would have to move during teleportation and you would have to pss and completly override C and that has been PROVEN IMPOSSIBLE!


Recent experiments may have shown that light can actually be accelerated 40 times... which would mean that you can go faster than C... hence its not proven impossible yet, its theorised impossible.
Cebrakon
QUOTE(JohnnyBoyC @ Apr 26 2005, 01:11 PM)
QUOTE(Cebrakon @ Apr 26 2005, 12:25 AM)

ph34r.gif Levitation and teleportations are properties of the mind, and the secret to star travel.  It is as simple as that.  Levitation and teleportation are part of human experience, and powers born to a few.  They are the only phenomena that resembles UFO phenomena.  What is not so simple is how mankind develops to a stage where we too can teleport hundreds of light years.


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Ok you think that by thinking really hard you can just Jump thousands of lightyears? HUMANS CANT DO THAT no.gif plus that would be against the laws of Physics. Plus isnt levitation ALSO against the laws of physics! w00t.gif IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO MOVE FASTER THAN LIGHT. because you would have to move during teleportation and you would have to pss and completly override C and that has been PROVEN IMPOSSIBLE! geek.gif

Anyway OF COURSE they use SOME SORT OF TECHNOLOGY they cant just say "Oh lets think about going to earth and we will be there in a milisecond!"
I suggest you do some research! original.gif
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grin2.gif I see that you are not familiar with either levitation or teleportation. On the UM's news page there is an article about a group in Australia who recently were able to reproduce the table-tipping-tapping-spinning-levitating behavior of the Bathceldor group. Back up to the top of this forum and read that article--THE WHOLE THING.

innocent.gif Here's an example of teleportation, from the Chinese studies. 4 young girls were able to apport flower buds into cups covered with saucers, in bright light, without touching them, under the eyes of a group of scientists. The flower buds did not travel through the intervening space-time. They took a shortcut through one of the extra dimensions required for String Theory.

tongue.gif There is a fairly painless way of finding out about this. And that is from the book, UFOs, PSI and Spiritual Evolution. It is about $11.50 on Amazon.com.

crying.gif Have a nice day! grin2.gif
Cebrakon
QUOTE(Stellar @ Apr 26 2005, 02:24 PM)
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In the cases he studies, the child consciously remembers the former lifetime at age 2 to 5 and can describe it in great (and testable) detail.


Testable hmm? You mean to tell me that the child studied gave a description that could only fit one person from the past, and that one persons deepest details (among the billions of people of the past) were found?

Yeah, pretty much. In the Imad Elawar case, a 5 year old boy was remembering the adult behaviors of a man who had died 9 years before Imad's birth, in a mountain village 40 miles away. A very ordinary man, but still uniquely placed in space and time.

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By the way, how do you know it is not constant and doesn't always happen?


Because of other experiments...

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In fact, there have been scientific controlled studies, proving that at least some humans have teleportation.


I'm quite sure there haven't been any scientifically proven teleportation stunts done naturally by humans...

The Chinese studies show otherwise.

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because you would have to move during teleportation and you would have to pss and completly override C and that has been PROVEN IMPOSSIBLE!


Recent experiments may have shown that light can actually be accelerated 40 times... which would mean that you can go faster than C... hence its not proven impossible yet, its theorised impossible.
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tongue.gif The universe is vast. Some of our humanoid visitors travel thousands of light-years in just a few hours (which are required for navigation, and for levitation). Incidentally, levitation can warp space-time and produce Warp Nine, but that is still far too slow for star travel. And too dangerous. What if you ran into a planet that had been thrown out of a planetary system?

cool.gif O great and omnipotent Stellar, I bow down to your dread effulgence. Read UFOs, PSI and Spiritual Evolution for further enlightenment. thumbsup.gif
Stellar
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Incidentally, levitation can warp space-time and produce Warp Nine, but that is still far too slow for star travel.


What evidence do you have that levitation without technological means exists? And what speed would warp nine be, IYO? rolleyes.gif
Cebrakon
QUOTE(Stellar @ Apr 27 2005, 09:22 AM)
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Incidentally, levitation can warp space-time and produce Warp Nine, but that is still far too slow for star travel.


What evidence do you have that levitation without technological means exists? And what speed would warp nine be, IYO? rolleyes.gif
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grin2.gif Your obedient servant, Omnipotence! w00t.gif I think the best evidence for levitation comes from the Batcheldor groups (I misspelled it in an earlier post.) Kenneth Batcheldor has worked out an entire reproducible methodology for other groups interested in PK to follow, and many have, and much has been published. Just Google on "Batcheldor groups and JSPR". That will get you reports which have been published in the Journal of the Society for Psychical Research (JSPR). There is also a JASPR for the American Society, and probably several others. I know there is one in India. Probably one in Brazil.

innocent.gif But I digress. Batcheldor has provided a reproducible method that can be followed by any serious group interested in developing their own ability to levitate things, usually beginning with light weight card tables, but eventually progressing to heavy dining room tables with all members sitting on top of it. Kenneth Batcheldor's essential modus operandi is to only allow members into the group who believe in PK. Secondly, he waits until the PK is freely flowing before gathering any data, such as taking flash photos. He believes that the phenomena begins with natural sounds, such as creaks or pops in the wood of the building. I know my house makes loud noises occasionally, that I attribute to "the wind" or "the house settling" or "the TV cooling." Then the creaks and pops continue, until it is no longer plausible that they are all natural. That is the beginning of the PK. Once the gate is opened, it is easy to go on to table-tipping, spinning, and levitating.

sleepy.gif In a Batcheldor group, they work in complete darkness and complete silence, although other secondary groups have deviated from those rules. Whatever works. Since PK is a power of the mind, it only makes sense that the psychological atmosphere is important. Batcheldor groups usually begin at midnight and go until dawn, night after night, whether they get any results or not. Secondary groups deviate from that rule too.

A confirmed skeptic mad.gif will poison the atmosphere. So if they are not willing to believe the photos and videos, I guess they will just have to live and die a skeptic.

rofl.gif Shai Halud! Not being a fan of sci-fi, I don't really know what "Warp Nine" means, or whether it means anything. All I know is that it is FTL. Now, the theory about levitation is that the mind can effortlessly distort the space-time geodesics, and does so every night during deep (Theta?) sleep. This is a testable theory, and could be the only known experiment for dark matter that might actually work. It has to be effortless, or the sleep dynamo would lose mental energy, instead of gaining it. grin2.gif

ph34r.gif BTW, O Omnipotent Stellar One, sleep has always been, and remains a mystery to scientists. We need sleep when we are mentally tired. Mere rest will suffice if we are just physically tired. The sleep dynamo exists to pump up the mental energy, and that means there must be a cyclical resisting force to the labored breathing of a person in Delta sleep. Or Theta. Whichever. E=force times distance, the universal law of all dynamos and alternators. Of course, there are multiple stages of sleep, and multiple reasons for sleep. My theory of the sleep alternator only applies to the "labored breathing" stage. A cat can sleep 20 hours of the day, but it doesn't mean that their sleep dynamo is running all that time, nor that they need large amounts of mental energy. They are just cat-napping anyway, with all senses alert. It is a way to avoid boredom and save energy.

w00t.gif To return to Warp Nine, if the geodesics in front of a moving object are compressed, and those following it are expanded, the local velocity of C can be less than 3*10**10 cm/sec, but can be much greater as measured from a different observer. So in theory, levitation can be used for FTL, but probably isn't.

thumbsup.gif There is plenty of both evidence and theory in UFOs, PSI and Spiritual Evolution (UP&SE )

blink.gif I kowtow before your all seing Eye. crying.gif Have a nice day! grin2.gif
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