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Richdog
If two people debate something seriously then yes of course there will be an edge as two people are discussing their beliefs. It was nothing personal and there was no animosity... when the younger of you reach adulthood you'll understand that. original.gif
The Roswell Man
some young uns here are wise beyond their years, richdog. thumbsup.gif
walken
stellar

to name but a few
Walken
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/camera zooms out slowly. Voice over. Music plays.

Me, in a wise beyond my years list? I didn't know it at the time, but part of my childhood had slipped away. I didn't say anything but....-
dunderhead
Ok, enough said.. thumbsup.gif Back on topic..! The video is pure crud in my opinion, but until someone pops up and say's ...."It was me, I hoaxed it!" I guess I'll keep a half opened mind..? huh.gif *that didn't sound right, I think?* huh.gif
Amalgamut
QUOTE(Richdog @ May 4 2005, 12:37 PM)
Ehhh I don't think it is, and I don't need a debate thread.  I've said what I have to say, cheers. original.gif
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Hey, thanks Richdog. thumbsup.gif
TaintedDoughnuts
i would watch it, but i have a big phobia about grays(bad childhood memories) :/ is it any good?
Amalgamut
QUOTE(Richdog @ May 4 2005, 12:26 PM)
Here's the full uncut video... http://www.alienseed.com/Derrick/interview.htm
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Hmmm, I couldn't get the link to work. hmm.gif

I clicked on the download I want, and it takes me to a blank white screen. no.gif
Mark47
QUOTE(Richdog @ May 5 2005, 02:24 AM)
QUOTE(Mark47 @ May 4 2005, 03:01 PM)
unless you cant disprove my theory you cant prove yours. If you can prove that gravity cant cause jerky movements then you have a fact, but you havent done that. What you have said is that "yes gravity can cause jerky movement, but I like my expleantion for jerky movement better".



Dear God... I presume you're a teen, correct? I never said that gravity could not produce jerky movements, I said that I don't doubt it could. Please read my post and try to give me at least a semi-intelligent argument.

The fact is, as I have repeated about 10 times, there is far more going against that video than is going for it... I outlined a load of reasons in my earlier post.

You have one little reason... "gravity may cause jerky movements" and this is what you're basing your entire argument on... need I say more? It is a bit feeble, lets be honest here. Your argument is in the minority by a long way.

I'm not going to continue the debate with you until you start doing better than that, outline multiple clear reasons why you think the video real, just as I did for my logic behind it being a fake.

Until then pelase don't waste my time.

Cheers. original.gif
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I did not say that you didn't agree with the possibility it can be caused by gravity, what I have said is that in order to discount that possibility you have to actually prove it wrong, simply saying that my idea could be correct but you prefer your explanation does not validate your argument. The OJ simpson trial went on for years and there was lots of "evidence" for both sides of the case; it isn't the amount of evidence you have but the quality and that it is validated by reason. To do this you take it point by point, one at a time. The effect of gravity would make it look like a puppet therefore to say it is a puppet because it looks like a puppet, is like saying that a wheel travelling forward is actually travelling backwards because that is what it looks like to me. there are lots of explanations to make it look fake just as there are lots of explanations to make it appear to be real; therefore to find which is which, you take them one at a time. You would hardly expect the CSI team to walk into court and say to the judge, "he's guilty look at all the evidence we found"? You have to validate it with reason, not just "it looks like a puppet to me therefore it is a puppet" of course it looks like a puppet, that is the effect gravity alterations have, look at any space walk or lunar landing. If you cant effectively provide reasoning to support your claim then why should anyone expect that any of your other observations are any different, and nothing but unsubstantiated opinions?
Would you put a light bouncing up and down in a room if you were going to fake a video? Hardly. It is obviously there for a reason, the lights shon in the eyes were done so momentarily, and of course you are not going to see the body, its dark, as required by the need for low light; it is an interview, not a hollywood production, so they are not going to light up the body because they are not trying to prove anything, its just a record of events.
Mark47
QUOTE(Amalgamut @ May 5 2005, 12:32 PM)
QUOTE(Richdog @ May 4 2005, 12:26 PM)
Here's the full uncut video... http://www.alienseed.com/Derrick/interview.htm
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Hmmm, I couldn't get the link to work. hmm.gif

I clicked on the download I want, and it takes me to a blank white screen. no.gif
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Right click and save to target
Amalgamut
QUOTE(Mark47 @ May 4 2005, 09:36 PM)
QUOTE(Amalgamut @ May 5 2005, 12:32 PM)
QUOTE(Richdog @ May 4 2005, 12:26 PM)
Here's the full uncut video... http://www.alienseed.com/Derrick/interview.htm
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Hmmm, I couldn't get the link to work. hmm.gif

I clicked on the download I want, and it takes me to a blank white screen. no.gif
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Right click and save to target
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Tried that, not sure why it won't work.
Amalgamut
Ok, I got it to work.
Richdog
Hmm i've looked at the video about 10 times all of the way through and I still can't figure out why the aliens body isn't visible, not even a shred of it... yet when the people come out of the background to tend to it you can see them even in the dark light before they get in the light that the aliens head is in.

I would literally bet my house that it's a hoax. I know aliens exist, and I want to see one, but there ain't one in this video i'm damn sure of it. There's too much going against it, and too many explanations of convenience for the discrepencies. I think the only people who will believe this is real in the long-term are the hardcore believers who tend to put reason aside in their willingness/desperation to believe.
Mark47
You can see the aliens body, at one point you can see it when they shine the torch on it, try playing it in slow motion you can't miss it. The bodies of the people you see in the background are all at a level the same height as the aliens head, anything below head height is not visible. If you are sitting down and someone shines a light on your head, and someone is standing behind you, their body will be seen at the same level as the light.
Amalgamut
Yeah, I saw upper/shoulder part of its body. It was only for a split-second. However that was just in the clip. I'm not sure what to think really, but I still want to see the entire video, im downloading it right now. alien.gif
Amalgamut
Just watched the full video. This alien (or whever it is) does appear to move very insect like and jerky.

It is not a hologram. I suppose it could be a puppet, or some sort of robotic thing? In, full video, it starts at 19 seconds and not at 0.

You can see the upper part of it starting at 2:38 on the video. After this, you see occasional flashes on the creatures upper body. It appears very thin. I don't really know what to think.

Also, did anyone else notice the red dots on it eyes?

This could signify pupils, however I'm not sure.
Walken
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i would watch it, but i have a big phobia about grays(bad childhood memories) :/ is it any good?



It's alright. One of few films that actually show a life alien. Worth a look, but the ET in it moves in a very (poor) computer graphic style. Of course, this is consistent with some reports, so it's worth a look- But nothing to lose sleep over.
fallingalien
QUOTE(Amalgamut @ May 5 2005, 06:32 AM)
Just watched the full video. This alien (or whever it is) does appear to move very insect like and jerky.

It is not a hologram. I suppose it could be a puppet, or some sort of robotic thing? In, full video, it starts at 19 seconds and not at 0.

You can see the upper part of it starting at 2:38 on the video. After this, you see occasional flashes on the creatures upper body. It appears very thin. I don't really know what to think.

Also, did anyone else notice the red dots on it eyes?

This could signify pupils, however I'm not sure.
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just what I said, they cut some of the video out of the start, and they took some off of the end.
PadawanOsswe
there was a few sconds that looked like a holgram, but it could've just been an object in front of the alien, dont know what to make of it, but it looks like it is speaking to them not telepathecly but rather orally. kreepy, if this turns out to be a hoax,its a pretty good hoax. if not, then it shows just what the people ordered. cool.gif either way,cool vid.
Amalgamut
QUOTE(PadawanOsswe @ May 5 2005, 06:22 PM)
there was a few sconds that looked like a holgram, but it could've just been an object in front of the alien, dont know what to make of it, but it looks like it is speaking to them not telepathecly but rather orally. kreepy, if this turns out to be a hoax,its a pretty good hoax. if not, then it shows just what the people ordered. cool.gif either way,cool vid.
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Yeah I thought it could have been a hologram at first, but then you realize the alien is sitting at the other end of the table.

I think the reason for this is because part of the floor has some light on it, but there is hardley (if any) light that shines on the table.

Skyffa
I haven't gotten a chance to see the video yet. I have just been reading over the post in this thread. By doing so, I have seen a few post saying that there is no light for reasons being it a hoax. Aliens have big eyes as we all know. Creatures with big eyes means that they are always in a dark location or are creatures of the night. They need the big eyes in order to see at night.
Have you ever been laying in a dark room for a while and someone comes in and turns the lights on? (As I'm sure most of you would answer yes....) Well, it hurts. That's because your pupils are dilated to let more light in to see at night, then when the lights come on, all of a sudden...your pupils haven't had time to retract, to let less light in, which causes it to hurt until your pupils retract.
Anyway, I'm saying the room is dark because this Alien would probably be in pain with all the lights in his eyes. Being a creature that is possibly in an environment that is always dark...there is no need for their pupils to retract like ours. If in fact they have pupils at all ;p

Another thing that I read in this thread is ...'it's highly improbable that another species from another planet can breath oxygen'. Keep in mind that I haven't read anything on the interview...But, I'm sure this Alien is speaking 'our' language in order for us to understand him. What I'm saying is that...Another species from another planet is speaking 'our' language...I'm sure quite possibly they can breath our air also. Being that these Alien are very intelligent, I'm sure they found a way.
This part could go either way though. Hoax and non hoax. If you look at it from the hoax side...how did this Alien communicate with us using our language AND also be able to breath our air.
I voice no opinion on it being a hoax or not....but I'm sure I will come up with something soon since I'm about to watch the video unsure.gif
fallingalien
yeah I haven't seen it too.
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