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http://www.trueauthority.com/cryptozoology/nessiebones.htm


"Of all the animal remains that could have been found in Loch Ness itself, McSorely found a plesiosaur."


"Many folks, to this day, still believe it takes millions of years for fossilization to occur. Nothing is further from the truth. Given proper burial, pressure, and water, fossilization can happen in less than a few decades."

so.....this basically proves......there was a dead dinosaur in loch ness........nothing special really

Okay.. um.. this proves the the animal actually existed in the same area.
Again in saying that it only takes decades to make a fossil.
Saying........ or leading into the area.. that one .. or a few, could still be alive.

I honestly don't think that Nessie is a plesiosaur.

Traditional sightings of Nessie included descriptions like:

Three humps
A long, slender neck
and tiny beady eyes

But since people have now come to believe that she is a plesiosaur, more and more sightings have occured with such descriptions as:


A short/long neck (depending on who you ask)
A rounded back, like an over turned boat
Four flippers
and a very smal head

Plesiosaurs don't have three humps, at least from what I've heard/learned. And usually they have short slender necks with a small head and mouth.

BUT! I do believe that she might be a long, long, long time evolved relitive of the plesiosaur type, like Champ.

I agree, too many humps for a plessie also the time difference between the extinction of the plessie and the loch forming is far too great a gap.

Unless there are Plessies that are using the loch for migration or Mating moving through the Caledonion canal from the sea to the Loch... but you would have sightings in the canal now and a again, surely? There is something in the Loch I am pretty convinced of that. I am still pushed twards it being some giant eel, that would account for all the humps sightings.

well u never know in 2002 some fisherman caught a fish that was said to have lived in the Jurrasic Period and died out with then dinosaurs then POP they wrer wrong
I wouldnt be surprised if Plesiosaurs survived the Mass Extincition

yeah but a fish isn't a 30/40ft Plesiosaur, i'm sure it would be easier for a fish to survive and reproduce...

The vertebrae were found imbedded in a limestone rock that is not native to that part of the region (nor any region thereabouts, for that matter. Whether or not they are authentic is secondary; what is important is that they did not originate in the Loch.

I was just gonna point that out

It's a definite hoax folks (hey, that rhymes..... )

it atleast proves they once were in the area the loch is in now, so maybe some did survive and do live in the loch? and just migrate to the ocean every once in awhile, explains why theres such a great gap between sightings

also it says this on the site..

"I literally tripped over the fossil in the water. When I put my hands down to steady myself I saw something unusual and picked it up. Once I had cleaned off about an inch of green algae, and I could see the texture of the bone, it became clear I had an important fossil."

it doesnt mention anything about it being found in limestone...

That is why you have to do your own research, instead of simply relying on the single story or article you find.

The person could very well have found the fossil in exactly the manner that he reported, but all that means is that the fossil was there to find. He might have brought it, it might have been placed there by someone else, heck, it might have fallen off a passing UFO; the only thing that we do know is that, however it got there, it didn't originate from there.

Cool i always wanted to belive that there was Some dinosaurs still alive today

Go down to your local retirement village...you'll see some specimens from the Cretaceous period. Ziiiing, I'm on a roll today

About the story: The bones were planted. Though, Nessie(s) are out there somewhere...

...or that none do and all it is, is a 65 million year old fossil

Speaking of research, I’m doing some of my own. Err, estimating and guesstimating and that is. I’m basing all of my findings off of the many said to be genuine and traditional sightings, Nessie ‘artifacts’ and the area. So far I’m on a roll, and very proud of what I’ve got

I wouldn’t mind sharing my findings with you, after all, it is just a few of my own theories and stuffs.

I have a keen love of research and investigation, and have been known to bore many a person with long-winded explanations of proper scientific methodology, the kind that will help you withstand attacks from the staunchest of skeptics.

I would be more than happy to look at your evidence, but I am afraid I will be unable to resist pointing out any possible logical fallacies or improper support that I see. If you are willing to understand that none of this is personal, I look forward to seeing your research.

Pretty awesome...So their was basically a Nessie though just dead and has been dead - for a while...

Oh, yay

I shall post it here once I am done with figuring and typing.

I don't mind at all if you point out logical mistakes, and all that jazz, it would help me...muchly.

Estimates of the Loch Ness Monster, based on guesstimated hypotheses.

Basic Estimates

For newly born:

Height: 1.5-2 ft at arced spine
Length: 3-4 ft (body) neck is short and stubby

For yearlings-juveniles (7-20 yrs):

Height: 4-6 ft at largest hump
Length: 20-25 ft including growing neck, tail and head

For adults:

Height: 7-7.5 ft at the largest hump
Length: 30-40 ft including head, neck and tail

Spine should not curve up into a triangular fashion, but be slightly rounded as would be a better posture for storing fats.

Life span: Estimated at around 40+ years.
Type: Mammal. Fibrous hairs are almost nonexistent, such as on whales and dolphins.
Blood coloration: Deep maroon-bright red
Relative of: The seal or whale

Oral Estimates

42+ Teeth
3-4 Different sizes/kinds

4-5 Inch incisors (4) located at the front of jaws, two on the top jaw and two on bottom.
Used for gripping and slashing prey, curved like fishing hooks for good grasp.
3.5-2 Inch teeth (10) located directly behind the set of four incisors, five on top, five on bottom.
Primarily used for puncturing and ripping at coarse flesh.
1-.5 Inch teeth (12) openly behind the puncturing teeth; used for basic grip and ripping.
.5-.3 Inch teeth (16) behind basic set used as spares and are lodged into gums tightly.
Odds of loosing a spare are small, and incase other teeth are lost these 16+ plus can still inflict much damage.

2200+ PSI

Hunting Estimates

Would be best at stalking and ambushing prey with techniques similar to that of crocodiles or alligators. Body is built for hunting in water, but will venture onto land in search of smaller prey and to track. Senses such as hearing and smell are strong; sight is slightly blurred and uncolored for it has no use for sight in murky waters. Movement on land resembles that of a seal or otter and is averaged at around 10- MPH; movement underwater however is probable at 60-70 MPH. Possibility of a kill while on land is less than 20%. Ambushing from the waters edge it is much more likely to catch a meal.

Cannot hold breath for over 20 minutes—despite large body size, lungs and stomach are relatively small. Three humps located on back are like that of camels, used for storing body fats and nutrients in case hunting methods fail. Humps deteriorate after fats and restoratives have been completely used, once there are no food stores left to generate off of, the creature may migrate into canals, or even come ashore. During the time that the blubber has not been restored, the creature is much more susceptible to attacking other animals and even livestock.

Fish oils and fats are more likely to be stored inside the blubbery humps, with much vitamins and proteins probable for use by the creature. Rarely will it be desperate enough to hunt openly cared for livestock (cattle/horses) unless they are enclosed by fence and lake included.

Migration Estimates

Sightings of the ‘beast’ have occurred in the canal and neighboring water sources, so it has come up that perhaps it also migrates. During colder months and seasons may the creature travel to open waters such as a near by sea or ocean, here larger foodstuffs such as porpoise, dolphin, baby whale, shark, and larger fish maybe available for capture. (Like the river dolphins and manatees the creature should be accustomed to living in both fresh and salt waters).


Example of teeth, neck and size shown here. Spine and body are off according to my estimates.


ALL ARE ESTIMATES MADE FROM REPORTED SIGHTINGS AND RELATED FINDINGS

There are a few more things I'd like to add, such as a streamline body instead of a round plump one which would be good for land travel as well as gaining speed under the water.

I think that should be all until my brain kicks on again.

That was awesome Autopsies.

Oh, thank you.

^__^

So, everything sounds logical and correct? Everything sounds plausable{SP}?

Seems you're well informed. I've never done much research on the topic, but I think that could easily be one of the best educated guesses I've ever seen!

Wow. You guys are too nice.

Thanks. It took about two days to gather all of it...and I was much too bored and tired there after to care about anything else then getting replies. Whoot, I might even be going to Scottie-land this summer

wow you are smart, and nice avatar

Uhh, thanks again?

I've got a feeling that over half of it most of you didn't understand...


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nah i understand just that i like wolves

What are your guesstimates based on? What animal or creature inspired these guesstimates? Incidentely, anything over twenty feet would mean it would be spotted in the locks that lead to the Loch, so it pretty much restricts the monster to the lake.



This is a little tricky. If you are talking about storing fats, then you are talking about a mammal, which means it is going to be eating a whole heck of a lot more that a reptile would, in an environment where food is extremely scarce as it is.



Okay, if you are basing these guesstimates on a predatory mammal, you need to narrow it down a bit more. You have an animal that eats its own weight in fish every day, compared to an animal that sifts plankton through its mouth, neither of which would ever be able to find enough food in the loch to survive.



Well, again, you are basing these guesstimates on a creature having food sources beyond that which the Loch has. Also, to my knowledge, there has only been one incident in which the monster was seen on land, with prey.



The locks in the canals average sixty to a hundred feet in length, and are continously monitored by both ship captains and canal crews for anything which might damage any of the ships being elevated. There has never been a sighting in any of the canals. Anything over twenty feet would immediately trigger an action crew to ensure that it presented no threat to either the ships of the mechanism of the locks.



Well, it might work for the type of science you would find in a movie or tv show, the type of thing where you have to suspend your imagination in order to get the concept to work, but inasfar as actual research, for the purpose of presenting the possibility of the existence of Nessie. It falls far short. More than anything, you need to account for the amount of food to feed a viable population of forty-foot creatures (essentially, a pod of whales), living in the Loch, in order for your guesstimates to work.

Well, my study of Nessie goes by the movies, like Godzilla, Nessie has wires on her tail and head. A dude in a rubber suit with oxygen tank. My guess is, Nessie is from a cheesie movie!

Well, there is at least one Nessie prop that was lost in the loch during the filming of a movie.

My estimates were based off of the recent finding of the so-called Nessie tooth, which was approximately 4” inches long and had a ‘root system’ at the base. With proper proportioning and measuring, Nessie would turn out to be quite a large creature, which I see now to be quite impossible with your plausible response. If it may help at all with the existence of Nessie, then she/he would have to be at least half the size of what I listed.

By chance the creature might level up to being the same size of a male walrus, like the sighting of an oily black beast that crossed the road in front of the (forgot the name) couple.

I do still believe in the different sizes and shapes of the teeth, but they too would have to be sized down. Also, if it were to store fats (which means eating quite a lot, yes you’ve said, and it makes quite enough sense) fish would still be the most reasonable resource. Since the loch is quite murky and is home to very little fish, the likelihood of it having to hunt in the ocean and canal would be much more plausible.

Having a smaller size would make things much easier for the creature, and I believe that with the size of a small walrus or large seal, and then could there be a slight chance of something living in the loch. But I also don’t think that it would be restricted to living on in the water, as well as hunting there either…

But as far as everything else goes…I think it was just the size that was off, with a smaller size and everything else put into proportion then I think my estimates might work. I’m still not completely sure. Like I said, just guesses.


(sorry it took me so long to reply, my internet was wiggy)

I was under the impression that the Nessie "tooth" turned out to be a crab leg. Haven't really read up on it. Another problem with amphibious mammals is that they spend a significant amount of time out of the water. Nessie would have to be all the way marine, to not have been spotted sunning itself by now.

i think this is the tooth which was found. i am not sure how genuine this video is but it is interesting. it may be a little crude for this site also.

nessie tooth

em yeh sorry about my last post it comes up with a microsoft site. oops. just copy and paste this

http://mediax.muchosucko.com/movies/512_video_loch_movie.mov

For some reason i couldnt find where exactly that video was

Yeah, I read up on that a few weeks ago, just never gave it much thought.

But, what if Nessie has adapated to living differently then all of the other animals we've learned about? She/he could be related to that of a seal/whale and be semi-aquatic...or, could be an amphibian{SP}...

well i did start a topic that was about a cryptozoologist that said nessie was dead, as there hasn't been much evidence since the eighties, so maybe the creature died a couple of decades ago, who knows...

I was starting to think that Nessie died since there were no recent sightings. I still think that she's dead, but I don't ever want to give up hope. Just seems to sad, if she was dead.

Yes. That would be very sad indeed:(