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user posted image rInside the Louvre Museum, under the mysterious gaze of the Mona Lisa, a museum curator is gunned down. In his dying moments, he leaves behind a bizarre trail of clues, some written in his own blood. The gunman is a towering albino monk, but police suspect the murderer is a Harvard professor of religious symbols and art. As the professor races off into the Paris night to prove his innocence, he embarks on a journey through ancient history, art, and the Bible, and the discovery of dangerous truths hidden for 2,000 years -- secrets, that if revealed, could "devastate the very foundation of Christianity." That scene, from the opening pages of “The Da Vinci Code” is, of course, fiction. But readers are told right from the start that "all descriptions of artwork, architecture, documents, and secret rituals in this novel are accurate." That provocative statement gives an air of credibility to the book's elaborate conspiracy theories and it's caused millions of readers to wonder how much they really know about Jesus and a woman named Mary Magdalene.

In the book, the monk kills the curator in a quest for the legendary Holy Grail, a mythical vessel often thought of as the cup that Jesus drank from at the Last Supper. But in “The Da Vinci Code,” the grail takes on an entirely new meaning. It might not be a cup at al, but a secret, the author suggests, that would radically change our understanding of Jesus and the life he led.To understand that secret and to separate fact from fiction in “The Da Vinci Code,” we pieced together a portrait of the novel's key figure, a woman who lived 2,000 years ago: Mary Magdalene.

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Debi
I never underestimate ANYTHING! The Da Vinci Code is only one book amongst others that have laid claim to the catholic churches misdeeds/deceptions. I believe the book as a whole sheds truth to a world that has been kept in the dark way too long. Man made religions and thats exactly what they are- (Truth be known) are no more then a political scheme to control and manipulate mankind. Please do not take my words to mean anything other then what I have just said. I do believe in God but not in the gods of mans image they are false and that is why the world is in so much Kaos. Jesus I do believe is just a wise man but just a man and not god. My goodness -its in all history books- The catholic church declared jesus to be god at the council of nicea. a christian is supposed to be a follower of the christ and not worshipper-there is a difference. Lies have been laid down and covered over for years given way for more deception -- but if one seeks truth in order to live a good life and not to be holier then thou in other words with a pure heart then one will find it.
Just to make mention; I say catholic church because it is the one raising kane but in light all that came from her and all those the catholic church came from all the way back to the beginning whenever organised religion began making God in his/her image are the ones who are responsible for teaching falsehoods. There is so very much involved and there is simply not enough space to write so I will say this THE DA VINCI CODE IS IN MY OPINION AN EYE OPENER -CALLING PEOPLE TO AWAKE FROM ALL DECEPTION AND SEEK TRUTH. SEEK IT FOR YOURSELVES IN ALL PLACES. SO CALLED HOLY BOOKS WERE ONCE BOOKS OF WISDOM. BUT CORRUPT MEN HAVE ADDED AND TOOK AWAY TO SUIT THEIR OWN PURPOSE IN LIFE THESE ARE FACTS --SEEK- I AM A CHILD OF GOD BUT NOT AS MOST OF MANKIND KNOWS ONE TO BE!!
Blizno
A horde of ancient papyrus fragments was found a while ago but they're almost blank from age. A new technique was recently developed that will allow about 20% of the writing to be seen. Several of the fragments are thought be to parts of the Bible that were edited out. The fragments are being studied carefully and it may be a while before we find out what they contain. I certainly hope religious groups don't try to censor any of it. This is human history and no one has the right to hide any of it.

I've never understood "faith". To me it seems the intentional closing of one's mind to possibilities other than the version one was taught as a child. Question everything!
Amalgamut
QUOTE(Debi @ Apr 29 2005, 10:40 AM)
THE DA VINCI CODE IS IN MY OPINION AN EYE OPENER -CALLING PEOPLE TO AWAKE FROM ALL DECEPTION AND SEEK TRUTH. SEEK IT FOR YOURSELVES IN ALL PLACES.  SO CALLED HOLY BOOKS WERE ONCE BOOKS OF WISDOM. BUT CORRUPT MEN HAVE ADDED AND TOOK AWAY TO SUIT THEIR OWN PURPOSE IN LIFE  THESE ARE FACTS   --SEEK-   
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This is the biggest contradiction that I have ever heard.

You tell us we need not be deceived, but yet you tell us to "open our eyes" and read this book. w00t.gif

Then you say...

QUOTE(Debi @ Apr 29 2005, 10:40 AM)
SO CALLED HOLY BOOKS WERE ONCE BOOKS OF WISDOM. BUT CORRUPT MEN HAVE ADDED AND TOOK AWAY TO SUIT THEIR OWN PURPOSE IN LIFE  THESE ARE FACTS  
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Corrupted by men? Yeah, EXACTLY!!! This so called "Code" is corrupted idea by a man.

But then you say "Corrupt men have added and took away to suit their own purpose in life."

Well, what do you think this book is doing?

You say you are a "Child of God." But yet you promote a book that is nonsense, and that leads believers astray ???

This makes no sense to me.



PadawanOsswe
this book is awsome, I could hardly put it down
liljellybean
THE DA VINCI CODE IS IN MY OPINION AN EYE OPENER -CALLING PEOPLE TO AWAKE FROM ALL DECEPTION AND SEEK TRUTH. SEEK IT FOR YOURSELVES IN ALL PLACES. SO CALLED HOLY BOOKS WERE ONCE BOOKS OF WISDOM. BUT CORRUPT MEN HAVE ADDED AND TOOK AWAY TO SUIT THEIR OWN PURPOSE IN LIFE THESE ARE FACTS --SEEK- I AM A CHILD OF GOD BUT NOT AS MOST OF MANKIND KNOWS ONE TO BE!!
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Umm...you forgot to read the bit that said it was a fiction book.
PadawanOsswe
yeah, but the historical basis is true . deny ignorance.

quote by Debi: "THE DA VINCI CODE IS IN MY OPINION AN EYE OPENER -CALLING PEOPLE TO AWAKE FROM ALL DECEPTION AND SEEK TRUTH. SEEK IT FOR YOURSELVES IN ALL PLACES. SO CALLED HOLY BOOKS WERE ONCE BOOKS OF WISDOM. BUT CORRUPT MEN HAVE ADDED AND TOOK AWAY TO SUIT THEIR OWN PURPOSE IN LIFE THESE ARE FACTS --SEEK- I AM A CHILD OF GOD BUT NOT AS MOST OF MANKIND KNOWS ONE TO BE!!"

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DAMN RIGHT! thumbsup.gif cant disagree there
blazer2004
the book was a freaking joke it sucked nothing but lies in it
Debi
My reply naturally will not make sense to those who believe in man made religions and man made gods. They will not see the truth. I take it you believe jesus is god? Tell me who made that decision? I already know. Do you??? Was it not a bunch of so called 'holy men' who came to that conclusion back in 325AD at the council of nicaea. But thats ok believe what you will. Your life is yours to live as long as you do not use your beliefs to harm another. I do not claim to have all the answers or do I know everything but one thing is for sure and the truth will never change nor does it contradict itself. When I said the book was an eye opener I meant exactly that!!! It should make people get out and seek truth not just believe something because the church said so after all was it not the very same church that created so much deception and slaughter of millions of innocent people while all along teaching love and truth . Know what kind of tree it is by the fruit it bares --is this saying not true???
Amalgamut
QUOTE(Debi @ Apr 30 2005, 10:06 AM)
My reply naturally will not make sense to those who believe in man made religions and man made gods. They will not see the truth
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Again, I ask you.....what is this truth you talk of? What is the "TRUTH?"

QUOTE(Debi @ Apr 30 2005, 10:06 AM)
I take it you believe jesus is god?  Tell me who made that decision? I already know.  Do you??? Was it not a bunch of so called 'holy men' who came to that conclusion back in 325AD  at the council of nicaea.
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No, they didn't make this decesion. They simply reinforced it. Its the same thing as me calling the sun yellow. Or, saying that its hot. Or saying that there are nine planets. Did I discover them all? No, I simply restated the fact(s.)

QUOTE(Debi @ Apr 30 2005, 10:06 AM)
.....after all was it not the very same church that created so much deception and slaughter of millions of innocent people  while all along teaching love and truth .
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Don't stereotype an enitire religion just because it may have been ran for an evil group. It's like the United States presidency, sometimes we have good ones and sometimes we have bad ones. Hypothetically speaking, if a country had a bad president that sent off people to kill others for the wrong reasons, does it make the people of the country wrong and bad or evil? No.

Its the same thing with a religion. Some churches (or groups) are ran by bad people. Doesn't mean the people of it are bad, and it doesn't mean they are wrong in their beliefs.
Debi
QUOTE(Amalgamut @ Apr 30 2005, 12:10 PM)
QUOTE(Debi @ Apr 30 2005, 10:06 AM)
My reply naturally will not make sense to those who believe in man made religions and man made gods. They will not see the truth
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Again, I ask you.....what is this truth you talk of? What is the "TRUTH?"

QUOTE(Debi @ Apr 30 2005, 10:06 AM)
I take it you believe jesus is god?  Tell me who made that decision? I already know.  Do you??? Was it not a bunch of so called 'holy men' who came to that conclusion back in 325AD  at the council of nicaea.
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No, they didn't make this decision. They simply reinforced it. Its the same thing as me calling the sun yellow. Or, saying that its hot. Or saying that there are nine planets. Did I discover them all? No, I simply restated the fact(s.)
QUOTE(Debi @ Apr 30 2005, 10:06 AM)
.....after all was it not the very same church
that created so much deception and slaughter of millions of innocent people  while all along teaching love and truth .
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Don't stereotype an enitire religion just because it may have been ran for an evil group. It's like the United States presidency, sometimes we have good ones and sometimes we have bad ones. Hypothetically speaking, if a country had a bad president that sent off people to kill others for the wrong reasons, does it make the people of the country wrong and bad or evil? No.

Its the same thing with a religion. Some churches (or groups) are ran by bad people. Doesn't mean the people of it are bad, and it doesn't mean they are wrong in their beliefs.
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I'm very sorry if I have affended you. I should have clarified my writing. I am referring to the " lets say the governing group "who lay down the man made laws and dogma. It was the council who decreed that to be the ultimate truth and all else to be considered lies Lets get this straight ok I take it you are catholic?? Is it not true the church was the main one out of which all the rest of (quote) christian churchs flowed ? Each seeking truth? Its not just that church but so many of them that proclaim fact based on man made theory. The gnostics were proclaimed heretics because they did not believe and simply refused to believe catholic doctrine and to this very day gnosticism is still condemned by the church. I am sorry but it is my opinion that any church that claims to be holy and commits such atrocious acts is not a holy church and that goes for any church. Thats not to say that over the course of time there haven't been God fearing people who have been part of the governing church. Pope john paul was a very good man. He reached out to the people. he did not try to force his beliefs on others and kill them because they refused. One can think of the word church as a form of government or they can think of it as a group of fellow believers making a church a church. when I speak about the church I am referring to the governing branch who control the beliefs and install their beliefs upon those who are eager to serve god yet are not old/nor wise enough to seek for themselves but are brainwashed to believe others beliefs whether they are based on truth or falsehoods. They are followers and not leaders. It is all religion to teach their followers to read only their books and to go to their schools to be educated. To go to their higher schools of learning so that as priest etc. they will not doubt their faith??? Is this not a form of brainwashing? It most certainly is. Is it not true that the catholic church got its hands on the dead sea scrolls and refused to release them to the world and now many years later pieces are missing. The church has many strikes against it many. more so then any church I am aware of that is according to history I do not understand how you can defend anything with a record that is not so good especially when it lays claim of its holiness either my understanding of holinesss is a misconception or the church itself(the governing body) is a deception one based on hypocrisy Ever wondered about the passage concerning the children and what about those who are wolves in sheeps clothing??? ummm food for thought. All religions have good and bad in them it is up to every single individual that is of age to find out what the origins of their particular religion is and how it came about and who decided what to be the foundation of its doctrines. Afterall ones life is affected by their beliefs are they not??? Are you Free or are you bound by another mans theorys of GOD???? -sin and whatever else has been conjured up over the centurys as doctrine???? controlling and ruling peoples pocketbooks and lives. I fail to see any holiness in many churchs If they were so righteous there would be no starving people instead I see rich governing churchs who sit in their wealth. As for the missionarys I give them due for they are the ones out there trying to help. But the church itself -- I don't recall jesus or any of the others who wore diamonds and rubys etc. were overweight from a fine selection of food while millions of others starved to death I don't recall jesus or others living in huge extravagant buildings do you??? Are not christians to be followers of the christ??? seems to me something is not right! Christians are to set an example right? well now does that not include the governing church. Do they not claim to be christian? ummm What I say go's for any church who's leaders lay around on the tithes of the people instead of putting it to good use . If all who are wealthy would give of their money just alittle there would be no starving people in this world and while we know governments can be corrupt churches on the other hand are supposed to be made up of God fearing people and truth is these corrupt people could not be if it were not for the backing support.
Debi
QUOTE(Amalgamut @ Apr 30 2005, 12:10 PM)
QUOTE(Debi @ Apr 30 2005, 10:06 AM)
My reply naturally will not make sense to those who believe in man made religions and man made gods. They will not see the truth
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Again, I ask you.....what is this truth you talk of? What is the "TRUTH?"

QUOTE(Debi @ Apr 30 2005, 10:06 AM)
I take it you believe jesus is god?  Tell me who made that decision? I already know.  Do you??? Was it not a bunch of so called 'holy men' who came to that conclusion back in 325AD  at the council of nicaea.
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No, they didn't make this decesion. They simply reinforced it. Its the same thing as me calling the sun yellow. Or, saying that its hot. Or saying that there are nine planets. Did I discover them all? No, I simply restated the fact(s.)

QUOTE(Debi @ Apr 30 2005, 10:06 AM)
.....after all was it not the very same church that created so much deception and slaughter of millions of innocent people  while all along teaching love and truth .
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Don't stereotype an enitire religion just because it may have been ran for an evil group. It's like the United States presidency, sometimes we have good ones and sometimes we have bad ones. Hypothetically speaking, if a country had a bad president that sent off people to kill others for the wrong reasons, does it make the people of the country wrong and bad or evil? No.

Its the same thing with a religion. Some churches (or groups) are ran by bad people. Doesn't mean the people of it are bad, and it doesn't mean they are wrong in their beliefs.
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My interpretation of Truth is based upon the genuineness or reality based upon actual existance Is it or is it not natural?? How can one know truth when they fail to know themselves?
Blizno
The teachings of Christ are simple.
Love one another.
Do not seek wealth or power.
Give everything you have to those who have less.
Period.

The Catholic church, with its palaces and mansions, with its history of genocide and mass torture, with its greed, is in direct violation of the teachings of Christ.
The Believers quote tired claims that everything bad that happens is due to flawed humans. Fine. That includes the Catholic Church. That includes most churches, Catholic or otherwise. That includes all televangelists. That includes all people who band together and tell others what to think. Everyone who starts out saying, "I know the answer because I read it in a Book", is to be mistrusted.

THINK! QUESTION!
Amalgamut
QUOTE(Debi @ Apr 30 2005, 12:28 PM)
I'm very sorry if I have affended you. I should have clarified my writing. I am referring to the " lets say the governing group "who lay down the man made laws and dogma.  It was the council who decreed that to be the ultimate truth and all else to be considered lies Lets get this straight ok  I take it you are catholic??
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No. I am not Catholic

QUOTE(Debi @ Apr 30 2005, 12:28 PM)
Is it not true the church was the main one out of which all the rest of (quote) christian churchs flowed ?  Each seeking truth?  Its not just that church but so many of them that proclaim fact based on man made theory. The gnostics were proclaimed heretics because they did not believe and simply refused to believe catholic doctrine and to this very day gnosticism is still condemned by the church. I am sorry but it is my opinion that any church that claims to be holy and commits such atrocious acts is not a holy church  and that goes for any church.
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The Bible talks about these things.

QUOTE(Debi @ Apr 30 2005, 12:28 PM)
Thats not to say that over the course of time there haven't been God fearing people who have been part of the governing church.  Pope john paul was a very good man. He reached out to the people. he did not try to force his beliefs on others and kill them because they refused. One can think of the word church as a form of government or they can think of it as a group of fellow believers making a church a church.  when I speak about the church I am referring to the governing branch who control the beliefs and install their beliefs upon those who are eager to serve god yet are not old/nor wise enough to seek for themselves but are brainwashed to believe others beliefs whether they are based on truth or falsehoods. They are followers and not leaders. It is all religion to teach their followers to read only their books and to go to their schools to be educated. To go to their higher schools of learning so that as priest etc. they will not doubt their faith??? Is this not a form of brainwashing?  It most certainly is.
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Yes, it is. But I dont see what this has to do with "Jesus."

Are we talking about politics? Or religion? A church is completly different than a government unless the government controls the church. In many cases this has happend. So you can't really blame the church on something the government made them do.

QUOTE(Debi @ Apr 30 2005, 12:28 PM)
Is it not true that the catholic church got its hands on the dead sea scrolls  and refused to release them to the world and now many years later pieces are missing.  The church has many strikes against it  many.  more so then any church I am aware of  that is according to history I do not understand how you can defend anything with a record that is not so good especially when it lays claim of its holiness either my understanding of holinesss is a misconception or the church itself(the governing body) is a deception one based on hypocrisy Ever wondered about the passage concerning the children and what about those who are wolves in sheeps clothing??? ummm food for thought.  All religions have good and bad in them it is up to every single individual that is of age to find out what  the origins of their particular religion is and how it came about and who decided what to be the foundation of its doctrines. Afterall ones life is affected by their beliefs are they not??? Are you Free or are you bound by another mans theorys of GOD???? -sin and whatever else has been conjured up over the centurys as doctrine???? controlling and ruling peoples pocketbooks and lives.  I fail to see any holiness in many churchs  If they were so righteous there would be no starving people  instead I see rich governing churchs who sit in their wealth. As for the missionarys  I give them due for they are the ones out there trying to help. But the church itself -- I don't recall jesus or any of the others who wore diamonds and rubys etc. were overweight from a fine selection of food while millions of others starved to death I don't recall jesus or others living in huge  extravagant buildings  do you???  Are not christians to be followers of the christ???  seems to me something  is not right!  Christians are to set an example right? well now does that not include the governing church. Do they not claim to be christian?  ummm  What I say go's for any church who's leaders lay around on the tithes of the people instead of putting it to good use . If all who are wealthy would give of their money just alittle there would be no starving people in this world and while we know governments can be corrupt  churches on the other hand are supposed to be  made up of God fearing people and truth is these corrupt people could not be  if it were not for the backing support.
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To sum it up (I'm tired of reading) you make it sound like Christians are "brainwashed." Anyway, I don't really care, but I do not go to church, for I know some of the things that churches do, and what they spend their money on. And churches in the past have done some of the things you mentioned yes. But go back and read my previous post.

The Bible talks about things like this. Its the "truth." Its in there, you just need to find it.
Amalgamut
QUOTE(Debi @ Apr 30 2005, 03:47 PM)
My interpretation of Truth is based upon the genuineness or reality based upon actual existance  Is it or is it not natural??  How can one know truth when they fail to know themselves?
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How can you determine what is genuine and what is false? Is the Bible false? What is genuine? This silly book "The Da Vinci Code?" Is that genuine?

Sure its a good book.

But so was "Farmer Boy" that I read in 4th grade.


Blizno
"Its the "truth.""

How sad.
Blizno
QUOTE(blizno @ Apr 30 2005, 04:56 PM)
"Its the "truth.""

How sad.
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THINK! Don't accept that everything the elders tell you is the truth. THINK! QUESTION EVERYTHING!

When someone says "my book is THE TRUTH", I know that they haven't even tried to THINK.
PadawanOsswe
true amalgamut, we dont know if its the truth, BUT it is a collection of historical evidence and history that more than likley is true, the first step into researching this is to admit that you have most likely been lied to as well as everyone else for centuries.
LucidElement
really fast, an interesting fact on the mona lisa, is that DA VINCI never finished it!!!!! he didnt finish the background, or the lady.... he got sick and died before he could, he gave it to this king, and it says the kings men finished it, or they didnt even finish it.. so the one in the LOUVRE museum is either a fake, or the one he started btu didnt finish!
Amalgamut
QUOTE(PadawanOsswe @ May 1 2005, 01:34 AM)
true amalgamut, we dont know if its the truth, BUT it is a collection of historical evidence and history that more than likley is true, the first step into researching this is to admit that you have most likely been lied to as well as everyone else for centuries.
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There is no "historical evidence" that would lead us to belive that Jesus had children.

Matter of fact, there isnt much "historical evidence" that Jesus existed in the first place.

"The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refuse to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie, and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in the wickedness." (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12)

Many people who have read this book were once Christians. But now, many aren't. It's because "they believe the lie."

This is just one example of what the above scripture is talking about.
PadawanOsswe
I am christian, its just that I have different beliefs that some other christians have. we dont know what the deception wil be, but I have a feekling that we were sligtly decieveda thousand or so years ago, but thats just my opinion. the word holy grail means "Holy Blood", that is some of the (for me) more interesting facts.
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