This new subsection is intended as a place where visitors can discuss any and all subjects pertaining to religion and spirituality. The criticism and questionning of beliefs and belief systems in this section is disallowed, such debates should be taken to the 'Spirituality vs Skepticism' section.

By providing this area free of such debates, we hope to provide a friendly environment for members to discuss religious topics without the usual bashing and anti-religious sentiments of the old combined spirituality board. Those who do still wish to debate these issues can however do so in the other subsection.

To ensure that this new section is completely free of skeptic religion-bashing, the slate has been wiped clean so that things can be started afresh. All the old topics from the board can still be found however in the 'Spirituality vs Skepticism' section.

Saruman, I think starting fresh is a good idea. People are all entitled to their own opinions. Mine might be different from yours and vice versa. Although these subjects are very touchy I don't think bashing others is a good idea. We should all practice our right to free speech.

Take care,101

i feel this was a good move

Good idea!!

Good move Saruman.. people need a to be able to talk about their spirituality without everyone on here bashing them for their beliefs. leaving the other one open will allow those who want to debate go debate over there. Now I know why your the admin.!!!!!

WOW. I just discovered what you did to the spirituality section... and have to say this is awesome. I agree with this action Saruman; it solves a lot of the problems going on in these boards.

Thanks again Saruman

I was wondering about this section.

Yup, now it's like we have our own tiny area to ourself.

Thanks SaRuMaN, god of the modmens

I am somewhat concerned for the future of the spirituality forums. Just this morning, three threads have been subjected to Moderator action. If people cannot follow the rules of these forums, why should UM keep them? I'm sure that Saruman and crew have better things to do with there time than break up verbal melees all day.

People here really need to become a little more objective, and less sensitive to what other people post here. If you cannot deal with others opinions, you really have no business discussing these issues with the grown ups.

And, before I have a lynch mob after me: I have seen some very mature youngsters who can handle a sensitive subject with tact and discretion; At the same time, I have witnessed 30+ posters ranting like 5 year olds. Age is not always the deciding factor in maturity.

Starting fresh sounds like a very good move..I want to learn and understand everyones views here at UM..

Here Here!!! Well put JMPD1. People need to grow up and stop acting like children, just because somebody disagrees with your point of view is no reason to rant like a maniac.

JMPD,
I am hoping that the new system helps us weedle out the trouble makers. I see it as a chance to spring clean. If the immature posters wish to bring moderator attention on themselves, who am I to stop them. It's a strange choice to make, but none the less some people insist on making strange choices. Perhaps they actually like the suspension time off. I can't honestly say what it is that drives people to behave like pratts, but I do know where they go when we are done with them.

And really, suspending people can be very gratifying... Ahh it's good to be able to flex my suspension button every once in a while, it helps me forfill those nasty narcisistic desires.

I hope so. Things can get tense enough, without folks acting the arse to deliberately start annoying people.

And what is it they say about power corrupting....? Remind me never to do anything that would make you want to 'flex'

I feel that by allowing people to formulate their own ideas about religon, you are doing the entire world a valuable service, keep up the good work

I can't believe I haven't posted on this thread yet....

Although I'm just repeating what everyone else has said. Congrats Saruman and the UM Moderators for creating this sub-section to share spiritual beliefs and experiences without fear of condemnation.

All the best,

The journey of mind from material space to spiritual space is spirituality.

Religion is a set of social rules forced upon a set of people, who are called followers.

Beliefs are just something you choose to believe without verifying it. May be something you accept as it is told to you.



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http://www.geocities.com/agyat_theunknown

interesting page there agyat. i would love to 'discuss' this with you, but this is not the place for it.

you are correct about religion and beliefs (what i quoted above). the only supremeness is in the everything being one, and thus there is no supreme power, and man is incapable of imagining nothingness.

Try to go beyond your mind. You do not need to imagine nothingness. You need to think to imagine something. You can only feel that emptiness or nothingness - the real 'self' within you, the spirit. You are made up of a body, a mind and the spirit.

Try to identify them separately.

Try to be without your mind. See what remains..........

Welcome agyat to UM forums.

Thanks zandore!

There a thread - 'Mindspace' - started by me. Hope to see you there.

CALL ME STRANGE BUT I LIKE WHEN PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS, I FEEL WHEN YOU STAND CONFIDENT IN YIUR SPIRITUALITY OR RELIGION YOU WOULD NOT FEEL THREATEMED BY ANOTHERS PEPSPECTIVE, THATS WHAT WORKS FOR ME JUST A SUGGESTION.

I thought I'd alreaady posted here....

Oh well, I think this forum split has been very successful and was an excellent move. Good job guys.

This is the first time I came across this forum. All I wanted to say is that this is a good idea and bad idea. I'm not here to bash others opinions. Just remember we have a social class in this world. Elites, alphas, betas epsilions, peasants, and so on. Most likey everyone in this forum including myself fall into the lowest category of the social order. Remember our lives and perception of reality are created for us, by the elites for their own purposes. This forum encourages idiots to stand up and present thier ideas as if it was equal to another. Don't expect to find the truth by having fools get as much crediblity as the wise. But then again who decides who is wise and who is a fool. If you know of the absolute truths, you are wise.

Believe what you want, you will find out the truth when you die. End of discussion.

Im up for it ... good idea... so who will start???

Disgruntled with the system!

Although this is not the subject for this section, social problems are created as it is very difficult for human being to get out from the stomach of biggest fish ever discovered - SELFISH

Look for positive around you. You will found some, certainly.
Give a start, the world is not so bad. You cannot disagree with everything.

Here, Here.

I believe that the topic of spirituality,religion and beliefs is such a good thing in that it allows people of different levels of spirituality to feel comfortable within this globe. Battles against one another because of human differences(spiritual) leaves pain and remorse. The
notion of people of all races,spirituality,religion and belief is grandeur.

R.B.S

yes it is a good idea. there are plenty of snide comments on both sides of the religious-skeptic debate. there should be room for opinion, but no personal attacks, although i have responded to snide comments off the cuff, i dont like doing it and would preferr other people to let other people think what ever they want without the snide comments and crappy personal messages i have received.

but that being said, i fear there is an anti-christian bias on these forums. not nessessarily from administration, but from the participants and i would hope that the administration would pay more attention to the snide comments directed our way and respond accordingly, as with any other thing be fair.

pb

There is not an anti christian bias on this forum, any more than there is an anti pagan bias on this forum.

These boards are for everyone to maintain a civilised, on topic conversation regarding spirituality, religion and beliefs. When topics degenerate into petty squabbling and insulting hateful comments they will be closed. End of story.

If you want debate take it to the other board, Spirituality vs Skepticism.

The expectation is that all members show respect for each other, whether or not your belief system differs.

yeah you mods sure show fairness here. there are all kinds of times that people disrespect christians and you simply do nothing. i will be pm'ing you on every instance i come across.

end of story.

GO GO GO GO GO GO


I have to admit. I kind of see it. Christians are usualy looked at as "making things up" "everything they believe is in their head", "Dillusional","Close minded", "Not intelligent" etc... =/ You say only one of those about an Atheist and you best be wearing a nut cup. =)

I agree with you 100%!

I have been looking around this site for awhile and just "joined" today, I must say I agree!! 100%!

I don't know why Christians would be considered anymore uninteligent than any other person with a differing religion. Anyhow that is not what this forum is for. I for one don't even know what my beliefs are acutually called. I believe that Jesus Christ is my savior and lord, I do not however believe in going to church and worshipping I believe church is more about politics than religion anymore. I futhermore believe that The Lord can be worshipped anywhere at anytime because he is everywhere. It is hard to know when the end of time will come but I believe that when it does come I will go up to Heaven with The Lord. If anyone knows or has a name for this system of belief I would not mind some input.

I have never seen the point in going to a special place to pray or anything similar Canwe. Why should I go to a church when to God, every place on Earth is just as good as the next place. Everywhere we go, God would be able to hear us. I rarely pray, but I do not want to have to go through someone else to pray to God.

Yea, I totally agree Wolfssd. It really makes no sense to go somewhere specific to worship. You would'nt happen to know what denomination of christian that would make me would you?

^^non-denominational......

A great deal of it has been carried down through the centuries by tradition.
It was not all that long ago that most of the masses could not read.
You have only to look at the pews set up in a church to see that it is a lecture hall created with no desks for people to take notes, since they could neither read nor write.
I have no idea when they started adding book holding slats ont he back of the seats, but it could not have been all that long ago, perhaps just a century or two for most places, even if the New England area had some in the 1700s.

As for people who prefer to commune alone, hermit mystics are as old all the religions they are attatched to it seems. Moses, Buddha, and Jesus all had their "private time".

for me i went inward like jesus and climbed that latter of lights to find that spark of spirit called i am, i am now on that latter of lights that is human consciousness to be one with god as one.that of truth

i agree as well. its sad that we can't all be respectful.
Its like this: If an athiest puts up a post, other athiest join in good jest, and the Christians are expected to respect it and not come in and Bible thump it til its red and blue. But if a Christian or any religious personal for example, but mainly Christians, state what they believe, the athiests come in and twist the subject by calling it a myth and saying, "That stuff is false." If thats what they believe, then that's fine, but it is disrespectful to the poster and those that post to come in and just cause havoc in the post and not even discuss what the post is about. Its plain disrespectful.

That's true. A church can't tell you that you need a personal relationship with Jesus to be saved, and then turn around and say you have to go to Church or you won't enter the kingdom of God. Church is for fellowship and worshipping God with others that you call your own. But that doesn't mean that a specific building or institution grants you a closer and deeper relationship with Jesus. That all comes with an individual personal walk with Jesus. And of course, you can hold Church with a buddy or a few friends, for "Where two or more are gathered" in the name of Jesus, there shall Jesus be as well.

It's not up to you to tell a mod how to do their job................end of story

I am a medium fortunteller and I am here to do a service for people who have lost their loved ones and want their fortune told. I must be good cos they keep on coming back. I have indeed been praise many times. I am a moderator on another site and have had a lot of success. I love to help people and hope I can make the world a better place by me helping out. As the good helps it balances earth with evil. I also do ghost busting too. I have been successful with that too and got rid of some nasty ghosts.

Love CC xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

the seven churches are of the self, once optaned and traveling in the spirit across the great abis, ie: the mid atlantic ridge, and doing so will come to a place called heaven and see for your self the one who shines like the colors of a rainbow!

here is a thought your mother and father brought you into the world in the flesh,the knowledge of mother east and father west gives birth to the son in the spirit

When it comes down to it, does it really matter what you believe? Be it about waking reality, or what is beyond that. Heaven. Hell. God. Afterlife.

I prefer the pragmatists view.

It doesn't matter what you believe. What's important is what good comes from those beliefs. If you have to go around trying to convince everyone else that your beliefs are the only truth in the Multiverse, well then you have a problem. First, you probably aren't quite sure of what you believe. It's nice to have people agree with your beliefs. It makes it easier to believe them. But what good can come from a desire to get everyone else to believe as you do. Let me remind you...SHALL I.

Holy Crusades...Spanish Inquisitons.

It's the reason Americas forefathers were wise enough to implement separation between Church and State, government and religion. Once religious beliefs are legislated for us, it's just a small step to legislate punishment for not believing the governments position on GOD.

It's not that other religions haven't made the same mistakes. Punishing others for not subscribing to the 'accepted' beliefs of the multitude. Goddess worship was all but destroyed during the Holy Crusades. Let's hope an open-minded view in this thread is the one which will guide it's future...

the mother goddess worship that was serprest but also the truth behind the god our father in truth the first father to them all,since there is a mother and a father that brought you into the world of the flesh,there is the mother and the father of the spirit that brought you into being as well .

in that sense, who would be the spiritual mother? unless, of course, your beliefs would put Mary into that position.

mary for she was the mother of jesus in his time and in our time,the mothers in your's and my blood lines as well ,not just jesus's bloodline but that of the self as well and that of the celest mother earth.mary mother of jesus can be very symbolic