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Amalgamut
QUOTE(HekticMind @ May 14 2005, 08:40 PM)
i always heard it was 9 instead of 6, cause 9 is the divine # and its been proving a woman in the 20's came up with the 666, cause any bible older than that dont mention the 666 mark of the beast...was gov. propaganda
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do you have a source?
cerberus
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THAT THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST IS 666 AND IT IS THE NAME THAT COMES FROM ANCIENT BABYLON.


As far as i know, the Hanging Gardens of Babylon were situated were Iraq is today, near the River Tigris.. and also another river which name eludes me.

I remember a documentary just before the war which catalogued all the ancient monuments in Iraq, and there was quite a few. In fact Saddam used these monuments as shields to hide weapons and aircraft, so the program said.
marduk
QUOTE(cerberus @ May 15 2005, 09:41 AM)
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THAT THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST IS 666 AND IT IS THE NAME THAT COMES FROM ANCIENT BABYLON.


As far as i know, the Hanging Gardens of Babylon were situated were Iraq is today, near the River Tigris.. and also another river which name eludes me.

I remember a documentary just before the war which catalogued all the ancient monuments in Iraq, and there was quite a few. In fact Saddam used these monuments as shields to hide weapons and aircraft, so the program said.
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its a little unlikely
apart from the white ziggurat and the ziggurat of uruk most of babylonia is still under the silt
the crap about saddam hiding planes behind ziggurats was made by zechariah sitchin
it was a publicity stunt and wasn't true
before the first gulf war the largest air base in iraq was right next to the ziggurat of uruk
thesedays its called Talil and is in allied hands
so if anything its us hiding planes behind ziggurats.
the u.s. managed to accidentally bomb it once too
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the other river is called the euphrates.
Mesopotamia is the name for the area and it means "the land between the rivers"
cerberus
Thanks for that..

Interesting!
marduk
QUOTE(cerberus @ May 15 2005, 11:51 AM)
Thanks for that..

Interesting!
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It gets better
signs of civilised society (i.e. cities) exist in mesopotamia from 5000bce onwards
their literary tradition predates even that.
and just recently it was discovered that the pyramids on the giza necropolis were built as step pyramids and then faced to make them smooth. The first pyramid built in egypt at saqquara IS a step pyramid
In addition an apparent burial chamber was recently discovered beneath a mesopotamian ziggurat. they've already discovered the same thing under mesoamerican pyramids, have a look at these three pictures. these are the roofs of three seperate burial chambers from mesopotamia egypt and mesoamerica.
look at the design and then see if you can tell which is which

Brittany_NC
QUOTE(Me_Again @ May 11 2005, 08:06 PM)
In numerology terms the number 6 is the number of love and the number 666 reduced becomes the number 18, 1+8=9...9 is the number of man  w00t.gif
To quote Jimi Hendrix "If 6 turned out to be 9"..."if the mountains fell in the sea, let it be it ain't me"...999 reduced becomes 9  w00t.gif  thumbsup.gif
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marduk
QUOTE(Brittany_NC @ May 15 2005, 01:24 PM)
QUOTE(Me_Again @ May 11 2005, 08:06 PM)
In numerology terms the number 6 is the number of love and the number 666 reduced becomes the number 18, 1+8=9...9 is the number of man  w00t.gif
To quote Jimi Hendrix "If 6 turned out to be 9"..."if the mountains fell in the sea, let it be it ain't me"...999 reduced becomes 9  w00t.gif  thumbsup.gif
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lol in the states you guys have 911
in the uk we have 999
think it means the police are in league with the dark lord
i'd bet money on it
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DJ_Quinn
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Method
Read the source please .... the BIBLE. And all of mankind will be marked with 666 the number of the beast. NOT 616
marduk
QUOTE(Method @ May 16 2005, 02:06 PM)
Read the source please .... the BIBLE. And all of mankind will be marked with 666 the number of the beast. NOT 616
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the source you mention isn't the original
and its also highly abridged
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Method
... ok ? Besides translated fill me in PLEASE.
leemaki
Means no-one really knows if god exists or not, scientific fact sways toward "not", but if people can make themselves a better life by believing in something that may or may not be there, then good on em! thumbsup.gif
baastetnoir
QUOTE(Amalgamut @ May 14 2005, 06:36 PM)
QUOTE(baastetnoir @ May 13 2005, 01:11 PM)
So some dude comes up with that and the world is suppose to just follow it blindly ??

where was the fragment missing from? what about all the other copies of the scripture that were made??? were all of those wrong to ? but this guy is the only one who got it right ?
Scripture doesnt mention 666, it mentions "SIX HUNDRED AND SIXTY SIX", it written in extensin not in number... so there goes is baloney theory were it belongs !  devil.gif
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this "some dude" was St. John.

So "SIX HUNDRED AND SIXTY SIX" does not mean "666?"

does it mean "222?"

anyway, im just teasin. tongue.gif

but the actual "666" represents a mark of the satanic trinity.
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of course Six hundred and sixty six menas 666...lol...i just meant it was SPELLED exactly like that, no room for mistakes wink2.gif

666 = satanic trinity ...good point ... man PLAYING GOD... 616, mean the number between 615 and 617...nothing else.
HekticMind
thats right man the source has been rewritten somanytimes, its like makin a rumor and lettin it spread eventually what u told is not the same as what u came up with
merlinhoot
Tired of prank phone calls Satan changes number
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LordBailey
QUOTE(marduk @ May 11 2005, 11:00 AM)
QUOTE(merlinhoot @ Apr 29 2005, 06:39 PM)
National Geographic link

Oxyrhynchus, 100 miles (160 kilometers) southwest of modern-day Cairo, rose to prominence under Egypt's Greek and Roman rulers. The town's papyrus-rich garbage heaps were excavated in the late 1890s by two Oxford University fellows, B.P. Grenfell and A.S. Hunt. Researchers have been painstakingly piecing together the Oxyrhynchus papyri fragments ever since.

So far 65 volumes of transcripts and translations have been published by the London-based Egypt Exploration Society, which owns the collection.

The latest volume includes details of fragments showing third- and fourth-century versions of the Book of Revelations. Intriguingly, the number assigned to "the Beast" of Revelations isn't the usual 666, but 616.  devil.gif
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From a fragment uncovered at oxyrhynchus yesterday
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apparently its the long undiscovered first page of the Bible
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ROFLMAO THAT'S AWESOME MAN!!! And I wouldn't put it past em to have had something like that for the "Modern" man....LOLOLOLOLOL w00t.gif
GoddessWhispers
QUOTE(Method @ May 16 2005, 08:06 AM)
Read the source please .... the BIBLE. And all of mankind will be marked with 666 the number of the beast. NOT 616
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I have not read of the 616 reference before this posting. Thank you for the input of this new research. original.gif

I've always thought, especially given the federal climate now exampled in what is termed, "national security", that the mark of the beast will have something to do with cataloging U.S. citizens in a government data base.

The mark, per the book of Revelations, was said to appear on the forehead and in the palm of the bearer. Given the rampant changes in Federal laws, especially the proposed amendment for acquiring State issued drivers licenses, it is my opinion the palm/forehead locations will have something to do with implants, bar-codes and or PIN numbers, relative to insuring one's ID as an American citizen.

Certain of the military personnel at our local air force base are already being implanted with a gps tracking chip, which has also been applied to some State's drivers licenses. (*or the magnetic strip, akin to that which appears on credit cards, which contains a link to one's personal driving (or other) history alien.gif ).

I think one can hold an opinion to the validity of the prophecies contained in the Book of Revelations and yet , given the contemporary political climate in my country, I think with respect to the "mark of the beast' , it could be represented as a metaphor for what is to befall every citizen of this Nation.


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*edited to add* Merlin, you must have posted as I was compiling this reply. What a read! devil.gif Thank you! thumbsup.gif
Poor Lucifer, he should have listed that number with the National Do Not Call Registry. Then again what sport would there be in hunting down and roasting all those uppity telemarketers, what with their "one time" specials, on asbestos body Armour and Kevlar pitchforks!? user posted image

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marduk
QUOTE(GoddessWhispers @ May 19 2005, 02:28 AM)
QUOTE(Method @ May 16 2005, 08:06 AM)
Read the source please .... the BIBLE. And all of mankind will be marked with 666 the number of the beast. NOT 616
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I have not read of the 616 reference before this posting. Thank you for the input of this new research. original.gif

I've always thought, especially given the federal climate now exampled in what is termed, "national security", that the mark of the beast will have something to do with cataloging U.S. citizens in a government data base.

The mark, per the book of Revelations, was said to appear on the forehead and in the palm of the bearer. Given the rampant changes in Federal laws, especially the proposed amendment for acquiring State issued drivers licenses, it is my opinion the palm/forehead locations will have something to do with implants, bar-codes and or PIN numbers, relative to insuring one's ID as an American citizen.

Certain of the military personnel at our local air force base are already being implanted with a gps tracking chip, which has also been applied to some State's drivers licenses. (*or the magnetic strip, akin to that which appears on credit cards, which contains a link to one's personal driving (or other) history alien.gif ).

I think one can hold an opinion to the validity of the prophecies contained in the Book of Revelations and yet , given the contemporary political climate in my country, I think with respect to the "mark of the beast' , it could be represented as a metaphor for what is to befall every citizen of this Nation.


ph34r.gif It's an opinion, not a law. wink2.gif

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so in conclusion you think the book of revelation is real and it only applies to the U.S.
are you perhaps a born again christian
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turbonium
Is 999 the number of the Australian Beast?? laugh.gif
GoddessWhispers
QUOTE(turbonium @ May 18 2005, 09:34 PM)
Is 999 the number of the Australian Beast??   laugh.gif
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Yes, just turn those 2X4's upside down, mate! user posted image
marduk
QUOTE(turbonium @ May 19 2005, 03:34 AM)
Is 999 the number of the Australian Beast??  laugh.gif
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No its the number for the U.K. police force
so its really the english beast depending on your criminality
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DJ_Quinn
Suppose we should ring them and report the anti-social behaviour on this thread?
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smokejaguar
The number 666 is fixed in the original text and means more than the name of a man.The reference to antichrist is the 6th seal , 6th bowl , 6th trump. This represent the fact that antichrist shows up first pretending to be Messiah.The true Messiah is the 7th seal,7th bowl,7th trump.How do you know the real Messiah.At the 7th trump all flesh is done away.-usdi Agaluga
Codebreaker
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Codebreaker
The Bible indicates that the number 6 is the number of man/or satan (666).

Using the "English Alphabet" and the Babylonian numbering system (numbering by six) and assigning mans number 6 to the first letter "A" of mans alphabet, a system has been constructed by giving each succeeding letter an increasing value of six.
marduk
QUOTE(Codebreaker @ Jun 2 2005, 12:51 AM)
The Bible indicates that the number 6 is the number of man/or satan (666).

Using the "English Alphabet" and the Babylonian numbering system (numbering by six) and assigning mans number 6 to the first letter "A" of mans alphabet, a system has been constructed by giving each succeeding letter an increasing value of six.
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So what you're saying Codebreaker is that you are a fundementalist christian and you believe everything the bible says ?
are you sure you want to go down that route ?
I wouldn't
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Amalgamut
QUOTE(marduk @ Jun 1 2005, 06:01 PM)

So what you're saying Codebreaker is that you are a fundementalist christian and you believe everything the bible says ?
are you sure you want to go down that route ?
I wouldn't
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Ok, I will make this as simple as possible...

The number "6" represents evil in revelation. Think of it as a symbol.

Now, when you put three "6's" together, that equls "666."

In the time of Revelation, "666" will represent the "Satanic Trinity."

The Satanic trinity is..

The Dragon.

The Beast.

The False prohpet.

So, the mark of "666" is the mark that the Satanic trinity will issue during the time of the antichrist's reign.
Codebreaker
Marduk I respect your line of questioning. No I'm not a Christian. The Bible is the word of men handed down through the centuries. I use the bible as a tool, a guide, a platform of information to start from.
Too many people have been persecuted over the years and too many wars have been fought over the words of the Torah, the Quran, and the Bible. If Armageddon comes I will gladly fight beside you, but until then lets all get past our ancestors history and create our own history. The Cosmos is too large not to have a creator.
hyperactive
QUOTE(Codebreaker @ Jun 1 2005, 04:33 PM)
The Cosmos is too large not to have a creator.
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why?

just because our limited mind and limited senses can not provide the complete picture?

one of the greatest mistakes people make is to anthropomorphize things.
DJ_Quinn
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Jun 2 2005, 01:45 AM)
QUOTE(Codebreaker @ Jun 1 2005, 04:33 PM)
The Cosmos is too large not to have a creator.
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why?

just because our limited mind and limited senses can not provide the complete picture?

one of the greatest mistakes people make is to anthropomorphize things.
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I don't agree with you. I say that the cosmos is too well engineered not to have intellegent design.

marduk
QUOTE(DJ_Quinn @ Jun 2 2005, 08:33 AM)
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Jun 2 2005, 01:45 AM)
QUOTE(Codebreaker @ Jun 1 2005, 04:33 PM)
The Cosmos is too large not to have a creator.
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why?

just because our limited mind and limited senses can not provide the complete picture?

one of the greatest mistakes people make is to anthropomorphize things.
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I don't agree with you. I say that the cosmos is too well engineered not to have intellegent design.
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yeah so all those asteroids and comets are just like the bits left over when you build flat pack furniture
right ..........?
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DJ_Quinn
I believe that the Universe has intellegence and intent. I also know that my argument is much more difficult to prove than the atheist who believes in nothing and has a niahlist view about the meaning of life.

The premise of Intelligent Design is that the universe is so unimaginably complex and perfect that it must have been created by an intelligent designer.

I think you can make an argument that is sceintific and secular whithout naming an intellegent designer.

I'd guess that if we were to see the hand of the designer anywhere, it would be in the fundamental principles, the final laws of nature, the book of rules that govern all natural phenomena. We don't know the final laws yet, but as far as we have been able to see, they are utterly impersonal and quite without any special role for life. There is no life force. As Richard Feynman has said, when you look at the universe and understand its laws, 'the theory that it is all arranged as a stage for God to watch man's struggle for good and evil seems inadequate.'

There also seems to be an irreducible mystery that science will not eliminate.



cyberbud2000
does this mean iron maiden has to change the song???
DJ_Quinn
No, no. If they just stopped writing or playing any more music that would be good enough.
marduk
QUOTE(DJ_Quinn @ Jun 2 2005, 12:54 PM)
I believe that the Universe has intellegence and intent. I also know that my argument is much more difficult to prove than the atheist who believes in nothing and has a niahlist view about the meaning of life.

The premise of Intelligent Design is that the universe is so unimaginably complex and perfect that it must have been created by an intelligent designer.

I think you can make an argument that is sceintific and secular whithout naming an intellegent designer.

I'd guess that if we were to see the hand of the designer anywhere, it would be in the fundamental principles, the final laws of nature, the book of rules that govern all natural phenomena. We don't know the final laws yet, but as far as we have been able to see, they are utterly impersonal and quite without any special role for life. There is no life force. As Richard Feynman has said, when you look at the universe and understand its laws, 'the theory that it is all arranged as a stage for God to watch man's struggle for good and evil seems inadequate.'

There also seems to be an irreducible mystery that science will not eliminate.
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I think the problem that most people make when they get into this area is defining intelligence and how it can interact on a physical level with its surroundings
i.e. god doesn't have a beard or even a face to have a beard on.
and he isn't an individual
they're just concepts that people use to describe what they can't imagine
The best term i heard to describe what you're talking about is "Creation", wherein "creation is the name for an infinite intelligent psychic plasma that surround and fills all things"
but even then that describing it in human terms and that can't be done
Lucas got quite close in Star Wars
"The Force"
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Grisly
18Here is wisdom: Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred threescore and six.
21st Century King James version 1997

18 Here is wisdom. He who has knowledge let him get the number of the beast; because it is the number of a man: and his number is Six hundred and sixty-six.
Bible in Basic English 1949/1964

18 wde h sofia estin o ecwn noun yhfisatw ton ariqmon tou qhriou ariqmoV gar anqrwpou estin kai o ariqmoV autou exakosioi exhkonta ex
Greek New Testament Wescott-Hort 1881

18 wde h sofia estin o ecwn ton noun yhfisatw ton ariqmon tou qhriou ariqmoV gar anqrwpou estin kai o ariqmoV autou cxV
Textus Receptus 1550/1894

18 هنا الحكمة . من له فهم فليحسب عدد الوحش فانه عدد انسان .
وعدده ست مئة وستة وستون
Smith & VanDyck 1865

18 Here is wisdom: Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred threescore and six.
New Authorized Version 1998 Third Millenium Bible

Just thought we could use a few sources if we're going to debate this.
If you don't agree that the bible is accurate then why are you even commenting on this subject? It should be beneath you, no? If you need help translating the Greek let me know. It's pretty easy to decipher next to its friends, however.
It is my understanding that Revelations was written in Greek first. Other books were written in Aramaic. John wrote this on the Island of Patmos where he was sentenced in exile. Patmos is a Greek Island. It was written in Greek, an easy to understand language, because the subject matter was the code. It was against Rome as well as being prophetic.
Ancient World Wonders
QUOTE(marduk @ Jun 1 2005, 08:01 PM)
QUOTE(Codebreaker @ Jun 2 2005, 12:51 AM)
The Bible indicates that the number 6 is the number of man/or satan (666).

Using the "English Alphabet" and the Babylonian numbering system (numbering by six) and assigning mans number 6 to the first letter "A" of mans alphabet, a system has been constructed by giving each succeeding letter an increasing value of six.
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So what you're saying Codebreaker is that you are a fundementalist christian and you believe everything the bible says ?
are you sure you want to go down that route ?
I wouldn't
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Well, I see now you do have some sense. thumbsup.gif
LucidElement
sounds like a false statement to me... 666 has always been the devil symbol... i just get chills typing it haha.
marduk
QUOTE(Atlantis Rises @ Jun 3 2005, 02:43 AM)
QUOTE(marduk @ Jun 1 2005, 08:01 PM)
QUOTE(Codebreaker @ Jun 2 2005, 12:51 AM)
The Bible indicates that the number 6 is the number of man/or satan (666).

Using the "English Alphabet" and the Babylonian numbering system (numbering by six) and assigning mans number 6 to the first letter "A" of mans alphabet, a system has been constructed by giving each succeeding letter an increasing value of six.
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So what you're saying Codebreaker is that you are a fundementalist christian and you believe everything the bible says ?
are you sure you want to go down that route ?
I wouldn't
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Well, I see now you do have some sense. thumbsup.gif
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yeah
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