I have found this (actually on my ovn site )

Human Future

Humans will have big heads (brains), spindly limbs (disuse), bald heads (in progress), and no wisdom teeth or little toes (vestigial)?

Some scientists have researched that in the future we humans will have bigger heads (bigger brains). It will take around a million years for us to adapt this 'gift'. So im sure many of us will not be around to see it. Im guessing you have seen pictures of aliens, cartoons or photos. You may have noticed that what makes them look like aliens are their large heads. So may be in the future, we may become like out fat headed friend out there, i cant help imagining it could be humans visiting from the future... May be, but we will never know... Also some scientists believe that we may also evolve spindly limbs, bald heads, tiny toes and not grow any wisdom teeth.

1,000,000 years from now, what will we humans be eating?

Primates have been termed "an order of omnivores," and in this we are super-primates. Would a chimp taken on a whirlwind restaurant tour warm up to our staggering array of cuisines, from seafood to beef to rice to cheese? Maybe. The chimp would certainly be capable of eating most of these. But the chimp wouldn't have access to them! Our technology for procuring, cutting, cooking, storing and transporting foods gives us control over our environment a chimp in the wild couldn't dream of. "So, what will we humans be eating in 1,000,000 years? Anything we want!"

Human behavior in 1,000,000

The village cats are leaving with their kittens, horses are stampeding, cows are breaking out of barns, rats are roaming the streets in broad daylight, birds are singing at the wrong time of day? This could happen in the future! Such behaviors have been reported for centuries as precursors to earthquakes or volcanic eruptions, says zoologist John Downer in "Supersense." The animals may sense electrical changes in the air as rocks are stressed. Birds and elephants may hear the low-frequency rumblings-- inaudible to humans--of a quake on the way; snakes, keen to surface vibrations, may feel the tiny pre-tremors. Dogs too have this sort of emergency ESP--extra- sensitive perception--and stories abound of their heroism in wresting their special people out of bed before an earthquake or tornado hits, says "Exploring" magazine. Untrained dogs have also been known to warn their epileptic masters of an imminent seizure, up to an hour in advance and by one tally of family members, with 97 percent accuracy!

QUOTE (Kimm @ Jun 12 2003, 06:20 AM)

Some scientists have researched that in the future we humans will have bigger heads (bigger brains). It will take around a million years for us to adapt this 'gift'.

How is having a bigger head a gift? If you're implying the bigger brain is our gift, wouldn't it be a better gift if we could just utilize our entire brain with it's current size

Just a thought

Kimm, where did that little lot from?

It's not the most scholarly investigation into the evolutionary future of humanity, is it?

Of course it is, Aslan

God himself is probably baffled by the complexity of this research

Quick question, why not grow any wisdom teeth, I would have thought that one neat evolutional advantage would be permanently re-growing teeth, like sharks have.

A reason why I say that would be a good idea, is that a few years ago I had most of my front teeth knocked out, thanks to a brain-dead idiot. And I now have caps on the front lot. It wold be an advantage to be able to regrow them.

And when you say that some scientists have decided that in the future we will all have bigger heads... and it will take around a million years for this to happen, and then you go on make the sad assertion that "many of us will not be around to see it."

What percentage of us, in your opinion, WILL be around to see it?

I mean, are we talking about only 5 or 10% of us who will be lucky enough to live a million years, or is the number even lower? As low as 2%?

QUOTE (Homer @ Jun 12 2003, 12:14 PM)

Of course it is, Aslan God himself is probably baffled by the complexity of this research

ha ha Homer, very funny, lets just drop it,ok? it is geting old!!


and Aslan I have no idea about what you are talking about!!

i agree with Homer. humans don't need a bigger head, we just need to utilize our present ones.

i see humanity becoming more beautiful in the future. you can see evolution in beauty from generation to generation- people just seem to look better than their parents did. this is not always the case, but more often than not it is.

all this talk about not using arms and legs in the future is nonsense. look at models- they use their bodies for sexuality. i foresee that trend continuing. even without work, people would still desire healthy and strong bodies. makes for better sex and that is the driving force of youth. humanity will never give up sex, so we will never give up our bodies.

people will start to look more similar for a time as more and more races intermarry; however, i believe that certain traits will develop that are desirable to certain groups and we will see a diversification of races again- although never rivaling the diversity we have today. there may be some groups that resist intermarrying, but i believe the effect will be achieved through gradual intermarrying with children of intermarried couples and members of the present races of mankind. for example, some may find interracial marriages offensive, but they might not find marrying the offspring of an interracial marriage to be offensive. as people become more similar looking through these types of marriages, the social norms will change. for example, the ideal beauty will shift from blonde haired, blue eyed (hey, its not my ideal anyways but i think its the ideal represented by contemporary society) to a beauty that represents more of the masses. fringe groups will be pressured to acquire traits that will make them more beautiful, thus promoting interracial marriages in an attempt to fit into the norm. various varieties of olive skinned people will develop and from there, we will see certain traits that become the standards of beauty. i think most of mankind will become one particular olive tone eventually- with a few groups of people committed to perpetuating the races as we know them today. people will still look very different from one another as a result of recessive genes that periodically produce a child unlike the parents. i believe the different eye colors will persist, as will different facial features and some unique traits.

people will be most definitely smarter, but more importantly people will be even more human. at some point in our future, we will embrace our humanity over our technology and experience some kind of a social revolution in thinking. i can see AI becoming reality, as we hand over our daily grind to machines and large recreational classes develop. people will work much less and spend more time enjoying life. education will shift from IQ to EQ, as it becomes much more important for a person to be balanced emotionally and spiritually than to be a good employee. crime will decrease as people seek to marry based on judging a person's emotional character. unstable individuals who act improperly will be shunned and an elitist core of moral intellectuals will shape society. you will be judged on your human qualities and character in everyday life.

anyways, that's some of my idea of it. i will save the others for my book

actually I did not write that. But I asked the person who wrote it if I could use it and he sayd that it was ok. I jst thought that it might have been interesting!!!

Kimm,
Part of the title of this thread specifically states 'might be true', so we know you aren't arguing about facts here, and are merely posting a possibility. There is nothing wrong with that, and actually this is an old theory.

We are just having a little fun, that is all, so please don't take our sarcasm personally

This sounds as idiotic as some of my posts...

Remember kids, a bigger brain means a bigger pelvis. Without one, the babies don't make it out.

As it is, a human baby's head is (on average) 102% the size of the pelvic opening. Ask any of the lovely ladies around here what there thoughts would be on a baby having a head 115% the size of the pelvic opening.

And just how do these scientists propose that we support bigger heads and pelvises with smaller limbs?

I have no idea!!!

QUOTE (Space Moose @ Jun 13 2003, 12:50 PM)

Remember kids, a bigger brain means a bigger pelvis. Without one, the babies don't make it out. As it is, a human baby's head is (on average) 102% the size of the pelvic opening. Ask any of the lovely ladies around here what there thoughts would be on a baby having a head 115% the size of the pelvic opening. And just how do these scientists propose that we support bigger heads and pelvises with smaller limbs?

Just means a lot more cesarean sections being performed.




Maybe it's a hospital conspiracy to make more money from all those needed cesareans.

LOL

What I know is that Humans are getting shorter .. when humans were created, they were very tall, about 10 meters or even more .. and they used to live for more than 3000 years .. but with time, humans became shorter and now they only live for about 120 years or less .. and they are not very tall any more
I think that this is the way humans will vanish ..
Maybe they will get smaller and smaller till there are no more humans .. lol

QUOTE (djdodo @ Jun 14 2003, 05:01 AM)

What I know is that Humans are getting shorter .. when humans were created, they were very tall, about 10 meters or even more .. and they used to live for more than 3000 years .. but with time, humans became shorter and now they only live for about 120 years or less .. and they are not very tall any more I think that this is the way humans will vanish .. Maybe they will get smaller and smaller till there are no more humans .. lol

My experiences have shown that the tendancy of human growth fluctuates between tall and short. Each generation has it's own limits on growth, factors such as nutrition, excersize and the growth spurts tend to play a big role in the development of height.

Where is the proof that humans have lived a continuous life span of 3000 years?

How can a human being vanish from becoming short?


Please give proof because this is coming from way out of no where.

Life spans of 3000 years sounds like it is coming from the Qo-ran (*sp.).

There we go a semi-undeniable-unproovable source. LOL.

djdodo,

dont you think you are exagerating just a little bit??
10 metres is realy high!!! where did people live???
and 3000 years, that is a long time!! think on how many people there would be!!!!!

I think that you might be mixing humans and anukai toghether!!!! amny people think that the anukai where the creators of the human race but not that they actually where humans!!!! And the reason that they lived as long as they did was that they drank a special cind of tea that they made from the leavs of a tree that they had brought from there home planet (nibiru)!!!

where did you get this information from anyway??

Well .. I don't have proff ((Bloated Corpse)) .. but I have heard alot about this stuff ..
And I have visited graves of many prophets .. they are very long .. really .. I don't have a picture of one now .. but if I found one .. I will post it ..
And that Humans shrink and disappear .. well this was only my opinion

QUOTE (Bloated Corpse @ Jun 14 2003, 12:49 PM)

QUOTE (Space Moose @ Jun 13 2003, 12:50 PM) Remember kids, a bigger brain means a bigger pelvis.  Without one, the babies don't make it out.   Just means a lot more cesarean sections being performed.

Sounds good for anyone who has access to a decent hospital - but what about those who don't?

QUOTE (djdodo @ Jun 14 2003, 01:01 PM)

What I know is that Humans are getting shorter .. when humans were created, they were very tall, about 10 meters or even more .. and they used to live for more than 3000 years .. but with time, humans became shorter and now they only live for about 120 years or less ..

That is just wacky stuff. There is no evidence of any early human living anywhere near 10 meters tall (about 30 feet) - the closest they got was probably somewhere around 2 meters (6 feet), just like us.

There is also no evidence that any ancestor lived more than 100 years, outside of a religious text or other folk story that is.

Furthermore, 300 years ago (we'll just pick that as an example) human populations were much shorter as a whole and also had a lower life expectancy. How does this recent trend towards being bigger and living longer work into your theory?

The grave of a prophet that's 10metres long?

Are you sure someone hadn't just laid a gas pipe?

QUOTE (Space Moose @ Jun 14 2003, 07:05 AM)

QUOTE (Bloated Corpse @ Jun 14 2003, 12:49 PM) QUOTE (Space Moose @ Jun 13 2003, 12:50 PM) Remember kids, a bigger brain means a bigger pelvis.  Without one, the babies don't make it out.   Just means a lot more cesarean sections being performed. Sounds good for anyone who has access to a decent hospital - but what about those who don't?

Not to be one that goes against all humankindness. But, there are other factors at play here. In the under developed nations where the biggest problems tend to be disease starvation and unclean water. Those factors themselves will limit the body size of a baby being born, a big head wouldn't be as much trouble if the mother and baby were to be malnurished to the point where the baby is a premature size.

Every once in a while, when I wander in here? I could swear I
hear Rod Serling whispering in my ear..."Yes, you have entered The Twilight Zone".....

People are getting shorter? Hmmm, well? I can only speak from knowledge of the population in the US, since I've never had the privilege of traveling abroad. Take a peek in a History book (if there are any still around) and wander back to the 1700's.

Ceilings were lower, doorways smaller. Ask George Washington how he managed to get upstairs at his headquarters at Valley Forge. He was UNUSUALLY tall for the time period, just a tad over 6'.... However? Martha was tiny, barely 4'..... Her shoes were no more than 4" long.

Thomas Jefferson was also a hefty fellow, considering the majority of the population. La Fayette, on the other hand was REALLY short.

Washington and Jefferson were wealthy plantation/land owners with the advantage of decent food and shelter. Needless to say, genetics play a part in this as well.

Average age? In their 40's if lucky. Disease was rampant, antibiotics not invented until the 1930's. Long cold winters and unbearable summers.

Many women did not even survive childbirth and leeching was very popular (ugh)!

As argriculture and medicine improved, so did the people.

As for 'growing teeth' (?) We do! Baby teeth fall out, adult teeth arrive. Then? It's up to YOU to keep em safe. However? In the event you are not fortunate to keep them? At least you can put the replacements in a glass.

On reflection? I really am more concerned for the PRESENT and will leave the FUTURE of Humans to those who will be here. Dang if I care to live to be 1,000...... at least not THIS lifetime

Shaq is evidence that this theory is not true...

QUOTE

Not to be one that goes against all humankindness. But, there are other factors at play here. In the under developed nations where the biggest problems tend to be disease, starvation and unclean water. Those factors themselves will limit the body size of a baby being born, a big head wouldn't be as much trouble if the mother and baby were to be malnurished to the point where the baby is a premature size.

Certianly this is true, however, H. erectus probably didn't have it all that easy, yet their brains increased into H. heidelbergensis at the point of evolution.

We are probably not due for a change anytime soon (yes, Homo sapiens will eventually disappear) but our ancestors have a track record of getting bigger as a whole, not just parts of us.

If those who live in underdeveloped nations don't see a reversal in their situation, well, they just won't make the cut.

Edit: fixed quote

QUOTE (Space Moose @ Jun 14 2003, 08:39 PM)

[QUOTE=Bloated Corpse,Jun 14 2003, 10:59 PM][QUOTE] Not to be one that goes against all humankindness. But, there are other factors at play here. In the under developed nations where the biggest problems tend to be disease, starvation and unclean water. Those factors themselves will limit the body size of a baby being born, a big head wouldn't be as much trouble if the mother and baby were to be malnurished to the point where the baby is a premature size. [/QUOTE] Certianly this is true, however, H. erectus probably didn't have it all that easy, yet their brains increased into H. heidelbergensis at the point of evolution. We are probably not due for a change anytime soon (yes, Homo sapiens will eventually disappear) but our ancestors have a track record of getting bigger as a whole, not just parts of us. If those who live in underdeveloped nations don't see a reversal in their situation, well, they just won't make the cut.

But no matter, my point about cesarean sections becoming the delivery of choice. Someone may not live close to a hospital, but the transportation is constantly evolving so that it would be possible to get those expectant mothers to the care they need.

QUOTE (Bloated Corpse @ Jun 15 2003, 06:24 AM)

But no matter, my point about cesarean sections becoming the delivery of choice. Someone may not live close to a hospital, but the transportation is constantly evolving so that it would be possible to get those expectant mothers to the care they need.

We have covered a similar topic elsewhere, but to sum up, transport sometimes fails us greatly. As a general rule, culture will not replace evolution.

Regardless, even if the C-section argument is conceded, it does nothing to fix weight distribution problems with a larger head and smaller limbs.

There might be proof that it could happen. Wouldn't you agree that some cases of dwarfism tends to cause the persons head to be bigger in realtion to their body? Smaller limbs and frame are technically supporting a bigger head. I know very small and incidental but somewhat of a possible glimpse at the evolution that could happen.

QUOTE (Bloated Corpse @ Jun 15 2003, 07:56 PM)

There might be proof that it could happen. Wouldn't you agree that some cases of dwarfism tends to cause the persons head to be bigger in realtion to their body? Smaller limbs and frame are technically supporting a bigger head. I know very small and incidental but somewhat of a possible glimpse at the evolution that could happen.

Well, that is a possibility, but not a very good one. People affected with dwarfism have a great possibility of medical problems in their early years. To focus on two things, there is the potential of hearing loss/damage and there are some locomotor problems which may occur. Humans need to hear (to listen to the language that others speak and also to get auditory clues about our environment) and we need to walk (to get from place A to place B for a good many reasons).

Also consider that for Achondroplasiacs (the most frequent form of drawfism) there is a 1 in 4 chance that thier child would be homozygous for the trait and homozygous Achrondroplasia leads to death within the first year of life. This is not a good trait for any species.

QUOTE (Space Moose @ Jun 15 2003, 04:33 PM)

QUOTE (Bloated Corpse @ Jun 15 2003, 07:56 PM) There might be proof that it could happen. Wouldn't you agree that some cases of dwarfism tends to cause the persons head to be bigger in realtion to their body? Smaller limbs and frame are technically supporting a bigger head. I know very small and incidental but somewhat of a possible glimpse at the evolution that could happen. Well, that is a possibility, but not a very good one. People affected with dwarfism have a great possibility of medical problems in their early years. To focus on two things, there is the potential of hearing loss/damage and there are some locomotor problems which may occur. Humans need to hear (to listen to the language that others speak and also to get auditory clues about our environment) and we need to walk (to get from place A to place B for a good many reasons). Also consider that for Achondroplasiacs (the most frequent form of drawfism) there is a 1 in 4 chance that thier child would be homozygous for the trait and homozygous Achrondroplasia leads to death within the first year of life. This is not a good trait for any species.

People that are born deaf can never hear anything in their life, yet they get along in their lives. People that are paralyzed cannot walk around their environment, yet they get along with their lives. As a species humanity can overcome whatever ailment, disability and disorder that inflicts them.

Theres also a 1 in 4 chance that any recessive set of parent can pass on genetic disorders such as xeroderma pigmentosum, hemophelia, hemochromatosis and countless others. For some strange reason, life has to gamble and let the dice ley where they fall.

QUOTE (Bloated Corpse @ Jun 16 2003, 01:59 AM)

QUOTE People that are born deaf can never hear anything in their life, yet they get along in their lives. People that are paralyzed cannot walk around their environment, yet they get along with their lives. As a species humanity can overcome whatever ailment, disability and disorder that inflicts them. Theres also a 1 in 4 chance that any recessive set of parent can pass on genetic disorders such as xeroderma pigmentosum, hemophelia, hemochromatosis and countless others. For some strange reason, life has to gamble and let the dice ley where they fall.

Our alturism is not reason to reduce a trait. If you will notice, both of those types of people (moreso those who cannot walk) depend on the actions of others - others who are fully able humans - to make it through life. If everyone becomes deaf and quadreplegic - we are doomed. It could certianly be how we will evolve, but they are not good changes.

It may not have struck you, but those traits are not good things. It would be great if these things never happened to people, but that day is unlikley to happen anytime within my lifespan or yours.

QUOTE (Space Moose @ Jun 15 2003, 07:13 PM)

QUOTE (Bloated Corpse @ Jun 16 2003, 01:59 AM) QUOTE People that are born deaf can never hear anything in their life, yet they get along in their lives. People that are paralyzed cannot walk around their environment, yet they get along with their lives. As a species humanity can overcome whatever ailment, disability and disorder that inflicts them. Theres also a 1 in 4 chance that any recessive set of parent can pass on genetic disorders such as xeroderma pigmentosum, hemophelia, hemochromatosis and countless others. For some strange reason, life has to gamble and let the dice ley where they fall. Our alturism is not reason to reduce a trait. If you will notice, both of those types of people (moreso those who cannot walk) depend on the actions of others - others who are fully able humans - to make it through life. If everyone becomes deaf and quadreplegic - we are doomed. It could certianly be how we will evolve, but they are not good changes. It may not have struck you, but those traits are not good things. It would be great if these things never happened to people, but that day is unlikley to happen anytime within my lifespan or yours.

I was in no way reducing a trait, I was giving examples to clearly dispute what you stated. Also if you notice that most of those types of people prefer to do things on their own without assistance. If everyone were to become deaf and quadreplegic then we would learn to handle those short comings in a way that would suit us. Adapt and overcome has been the motto of the human species for a long time and probably still will be for a long time to go.

I'm perfectly aware that genetic disorders are not good for the human population as a whole. I was merely pointing out other disorders that plague humanity, and yet as a whole they tend to live with what was dealt to them.

QUOTE (Bloated Corpse @ Jun 15 2003, 09:59 PM)

As a species humanity can overcome whatever ailment, disability and disorder that inflicts them.

"As a species" perhaps, as an individual? Perhaps not.

QUOTE (Bloated Corpse @ Jun 16 2003, 04:22 AM)

I was in no way reducing a trait, I was giving examples to clearly dispute what you stated. Also if you notice that most of those types of people prefer to do things on their own without assistance. If everyone were to become deaf and quadreplegic then we would learn to handle those short comings in a way that would suit us. Adapt and overcome has been the motto of the human species for a long time and probably still will be for a long time to go. I'm perfectly aware that genetic disorders are not good for the human population as a whole. I was merely pointing out other disorders that plague humanity, and yet as a whole they tend to live with what was dealt to them.

Sorry man, I must have missed this when you posted in a few days back.

It is certianly true that those people with a disability prefer to do things on their own, but you need to consider how "on their own" they really are. A quadrepeligic person needs to be put into their wheelchair and they need their waste disposed of etc. No matter how much they want to do on their own, they simply cannot and thus rely on the alturism of others to accomplish their day to day lives. Without our alturism, they would die in short order.

If all humans became paralyzed from the neck down, we would cease to exist, I will stand firm on that. We are not autotrophic so we need locomotion to get to our food. To take a step in that direction is FAR too vast to be considered and in a good many ways would be a regression from where we are currently.

I don't think humans will necessarily look like this but maybe not a human form at all. You have to remember technology is part of changing us, and it might continue to be a million years into the future. This might cancel some physical changes from ever happening, but not all, who knows...who knows that this will ever happen too. I think this could happen at different extremities. For example humans might almost be the same with the aids of technology. Also, some genes may be passed down or not passed down because of chosen mates. Also, sadly too..in my opinion, people may choose to what their child will look like. In this aspect, the possibilities are endless! I think this whole evolution thing has took a huge turn because of the current explosion of technology that we see accelerating. How much will it continue to accelerate? Who knows, maybe this is where it stops for a long while, or it may keep going to amounts we can only begin to imagine. Imagine this: a human..that maybe isn't so human because it's brain was removed to be put inside of a multiple-brain network machine. The technology would cooperate with the human minds that are just in a state of Zen, or calculating mysteries of universe, or exploring art, or exploring the universe with external machines. Ya, ok I'm sick for thinking of this. lol.

I think humans are heading in the direction of developing psionic abilities , assuming the apocalipse does not come before then I wouldn't be surprised if telepathic communication becomes an everyday norm .

Somehow I sensed you were going to say that...


hmmm...you might be on to something...