Aquatus1; you are the man...very well put, and my thoughts exactly...although I think Hawking deserves to get a shiny new exosuit for fight crime with it is about as believable as the brontosaurus idea. Just like so many cultures before and since, the Egyptians were big into mixing animal parts of their mythological creatures/gods etc. Looking at the photo, it looks nothing like a brontosaurus; not even close.

It is wishful thinking at it's finest.

DINOSAURS ARE ALIVE WITH PEOPLE! I HAVE TOO MUCH PROOF>

no its a serpopard

this is only a mystery where cranks gather
It's not a dinosaur.
its a mythological mesopotamian demon
OK
It's supposed to attack other creatures on sight which is why they're drawn in pairs.
they keep each other busy so that everyone else can get away.

It is amazing how some people take a tiny bit of something and try to build a whole theory around.

Oh, no, not at all. Giraffes, ostriches, many unusual animals were often, much like today, were sought out by the rich for their entertainment (and, presumably, to have one over the neighbors).

Yeah but we're talking about serpopards here (or brontosaurus's lol)
they're a mythological demon

Look, if you're so close-minded that you can't conceive of a person having a pet demon, then I feel really sorry for you.

Have,......or marry ?

Is that what this is about? I was wondering why the original poster wants us to see a Bront- APATOSAURUS, so badly. I still don't see a sauropod of any kind. It even has a kitty's head, and kitty ears. The neck is due to the "artist" doing something crazy. Like Picasso.

ok
last time i'm gonna say this as i'm running out of breath
Its called a serpopard.
It's a mesopotamian demon
it spread from there to egypt and elam.
It was a popular animal to be represented on kings possessions because it was allegedly untameable
The fact that the one that appears on the narmer palette have collars on and handlers holding them back is more due to the big headedness of the egyptian culture than anything else
It's supposed to be part serpent and part leopard, hence serpopard
geddit

No need for you to repeat yourself. Is this the fifth time? I was just saying what it looked like, as opposed to a Brontosaurus. I even went and searched for serpopard. Got some sites not in English and some Final Fantasy sites. Yahoo sucks. So I tried Google and got some relevant info on serpopard. So relax. Good looking out on the serpopard.

10 breath 9 breath 8 breathe 7 breath 6 breath 5 breath 4 breath 3 breath 2 breath 1 breath
thanks odinson.
wasn't that thor ?

Yep. I read it in a comic. Called Thor. I thought it was cool so I used it. I feel like a god when people call me Odinson.

hmm, o.k odinson...

lol you just FEEL like a god
but I am one

Named after one.
theres a difference

Yeah keep on denying my divinity
see where it gets ya

is that a threat
lol

Only If it turns out I'm christian
I'm quite benevolent
not malaevolent

I did some research of my own Ashley and found that the pictures that you posted of the carvings and statues(aside from the egyptian piece) are hoaxes, put on for tourist reasons.......here's part of an article I found.

"The Ica stone craze began in 1996 with Dr. Javier Cabrera Darquea, a Peruvian physician who allegedly abandoned a career in medicine in Lima to open up the Museo de Piedras Grabadas (Engraved Stones Museum) in Ica. There he displays his collection of several thousand stones. Dr. Cabrera claims that a farmer found the stones in a cave. The farmer was arrested for selling the stones to tourists. He told the police that he didn't really find them in a cave, but that he made them himself. Other modern Ica artists, however, continue to carve stones and sell forgeries of the farmer's forgeries. In 1975, Basilio Uchuya and Irma Gutierrez de Aparcana claimed that they sold Cabrera stones they'd graved themselves and that they'd chosen their subject matter by copying from "comic books, school books, and magazines" (Polidoro 2002).
SOURCE-<http://skepdic.com/icastones.html>

I think that if there were THAT many dinosaurs populating S. America that the ancient human cultures of that time interacted with, we would find physical evidence of there presence as well as a much larger cultural effect in the region....You would find them worshiping these creatures......not just that ancient people but also the Aztecs and Incas.
Europeans encountered these people and on top of that, hundreds of European conquistadors scoured ALOT of S. America looking for gold and riches, these same soldiers kept journals that we can read today. Now, if they encountered people with stories of dinosaurs(or whatever they called them), or maybe possibly encountered the creatures themselves, don't you think they would have wrote about it? Also, if dinosaurs existed that recently, what happened to them? Where are they? Were they wiped out by ancient humans down there? As for your Book of Enoch.....well, thats religious writings. There are literally HUNDREDS of monsters and strange stories from all over the world about creation and strange creatures of religious significance.......So how do you find the ones that are true? The Book of Enoch is one of many. Just because something is written down doesn't prove its authenticity.

I'm sorry....I just don't believe it right now. You people MUST come up with better evidence, that can be supported by actual HARD science.

I'd personally say it's artistic license. I mean really, it's a bunch of pictures on a pot. Who says it has to have any kind of real revelence other then to look pretty?

Me

Umm, WTF!?

Anyway, these other pictures off 'serpopards' look even MORE like Bronotsaurus' as each one comes along.

About the figurines, well, I've never heard anything about them being fake before, but they aren't the ONLY evidence. The fact that it's recorded historically, religiously or not says to me and especially with the Egytpians of which these angels were it would appear directly involved with, that they DID co-exist with man. But I'm talking in the time period BEFORE the flood, thousands upon thousands of years ago, nowhere near A.D. or even late B.C.

its just as well most serious scientists and archaeologists now use BCE and CE instead
the only people still using bc and ad are wacked out religious crazies

Never heard those terms before. So what would BCE and CE mean then.

Also I agree with everyone elses theories and such. It also sounds like you are relating angels with dinosaurians as if they were one in the same.

Why isn't there any modern dinosaur bones left? All dinosaur bones are somewhere from 65 MYA to 200 MYA. There are none from after those time periods. Its a little thing Scientists use, called carbon dating.

Secondly, there may be some fossils miles underground, but most are near the surface, seeing as how the Earth is always shifting as soil and rock constantly shift up and down. Do you think the Earth has always been this way? I hope not. Scientists have all ready predicted in atleast 150-200 Million years in the future Australia will collide into Asia and North American causing the worlds highest mountain ranges.

If walking with dinosaurs was a "historically recorded" event we wouln't even be debating on this thread, and I think that you're argument is starting to get a bit thin.

If I understand it the Egyptians didn't exist much more than 5000 years ago, so unless you are saying that the carvings represented here are only an artist's interpretation of something that someone saw thousands of years earlier, I don't quite understand what you are getting at.

BCE = Before Christian Era. CE = Christian Era.

So, what does MYA mean?

Million Years Ago

this egyptian brotosaurus thread is b.s.
anyone know what that means

Bronto Silly!?

Ya but what are you quoting me for? I never started it

Ashley, you keep saying these figures look like sauropods. Now you are saying they look more and more like sauropods.

HOW?

What features other than the long neck make these look anything like sauropods? I gave at least five seperate ways that they look like giraffes (and apparently, they aren't even that). You haven't given a single indication as to why these things should be considered depictions of brontos. Not a single one! Even the neck, which would be the only connection, you have claimed is not the sole source, so please, just give one example of how these 'serpopards' look like brontos.

Please, find a single description of an ancient dinosaur that doesn't describe the comic book concept of the creature rather than the scientific one that we know of.

Ashleigh "But I'm talking in the time period BEFORE the flood, thousands upon thousands of years ago, nowhere near A.D. or even late B.C."
when exactly ?

Iiirc correctly the biblical date for the flood is very precise. 26,000bce.
and the flood occured because the angels had gone to earth and mated with women and spread sin. so that leaves a bloody big gap from one man surviving on a boat in 26,000bce and the start of the egyptian dynasties in 3100bce.
so the egyptians can't have been contempories of your angels can they
or do you have it figured out on a different timeline

Bottom line: They look NOTHING like dinosaurs. They look like cats with long necks. Your "fruitcake theory" is falling fast. btw, great phrase whoever said that.

I only glanced at the first few posts in this thread and the beginning post. So, I don't know if anyone has commented on these things that I am about to mention or not and therefore apologize if they already have. First of all, not everything the Egyptians, or any culture for that fact, record are factual writings and drawings. Fictional stories, myths, legends, individuals from their religous beliefs are all recorded. If you are to say that the winged people drawn are angels and the long necked creatures are dinosaurs then you would have to also say that all the Egyptian gods were real. I obviously can't fight the assumption that the one image could be of angels because I as no one else actual know what they look like or if they postively exist. In regards with the long-necked creatures, though, there are plenty of inaccuracies that would not make them brontos. The leg structure can clearly be seen of that of a mammal like a dog or lion. The tail also juts from a smaller circumfrence to a larger one towards the end. That is not congruent with any type of dinosaur or reptile tail that I can think of, but does exist in mammals. The heads both have a square like jaw structure like a lion. The size of them also go against them being dinosaurs. A bronto would be massively larger and dwarf the two individuals next to them that supposedly are controling these huge animals with a rope. Also, there are is no fossil evidence for a dinosaur to exist that recent in time. If you would like to dispute that then you had better have evidence to disprove carbon dating, atom characteristics, etc. If atom characteristics were different from what they are proven to be the world would not exisit how it does. Anyways, my guess would be that they are just a fictional creature that was drawn for a story or religious purposes. The Egyptians probably incorporated different parts from different animals, like they did with many of their creatures and gods that they drew. I do support that the Egyptians did have a knowledge of astrology, that doesn't mean that aliens, angels, or prophets gave them this knowledge. They obtained this knowledge through individuals that studied the night sky and were able to comprehend what was taking place. Predictions of previous or future star alignments could then be made and recorded.

Those that state a religious or scientific opinion should have a knowledge of the opposing side as well, before defending theirs. You can't fight, or defend against, an enemy you know nothing about.

i wuldnt b suprised if this thread got closed....

Who said these were egyptian
they first appear in sumerian art 200 years before the original posters picture
so yah boo sucks

Egyptian artist made a boo boo and tried to fix it...and the technique caught on!

I'm not allowed to talk to canadian females so i won't contradict your obvious mistake

yes but the poster posted about EGYPTIAN carvings
not sumerian
lol

Now you're just being obtuse
it isn't an egyptian design
its a sumerian one
so the original poster should have claimed that brontosaurus's were alive and well in mesopotamia,
not egypt

problem was he didnt
till u put us all straight that is

So that settled then
brontosaurs were in mesopotamia
not egypt

er, ok then. 0_o

0_o ??

come on gramps

Hey I once heard or read that some King in Babylon kept a monster in a submerged sort of catacomb under a temple or palace, anyone ever heard of that?

marduk knows

I've heard that story
however I have never seen any factual evidence of it whatsoever
iirc the king mentioned was Nebuchadrezzar
I think the story comes from jewish mythology
they didn't like nebuchadrezzar very much on account of how he destroyed jerusalem and took every man woman and child as slaves back to babylon
The king was also alleged to be totally crazy, but that again is the jewish point of view
he was certainly murdered by his top general, nabonidus who then seized power
so the monster didn't do her any good either way did it