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Stellar
Yes or no... and why?
*MoG*


I would give my own life for my son, if there were no other way to save him - then Yes - without question.
Mad Manfred
Sorry, but absolutely not.

I have one chance at life...why would I throw it away?
Selendrile
Two words- HELL NO!

I take that back, I'd die for my bro with autism. He's 6.
Shivel
I think I would definitely sacrifice my life for someone I love, or for anyone else for that matter.
It really depends on a couple of things though:
1. I would only make the sacrifice if I was sure it would save the other persons life.
2. Age is an issue. I'm pretty young, and im sure an older man/woman would rather have me live a full life than end it so he/she can go on living another few years.
Irish
Yes, most defiantly. For my wife, my kids and grand children and perhaps even for what I believe is truth.
irish
Amalgamut
Yes, but I'm not sure why.
Consummate Deist
Yes.....I believe that I proved my willingess to die for others through my long military career. I went into situations to help friends, allies and even once an wounded enemy that could easily resulted in my death. It doesn't have to be a loved one for me to give my life for. Unlike many, I consider others before myself. So Yes - Hell Yes I would! - CD thumbsup.gif
JMPD1
yep. without a moments hesitation.

BurnSide
You cannot say you love someone unless you would be willing to give your life for theirs.
That's what love is.
Amalgamut
QUOTE(BurnSide @ May 4 2005, 10:55 AM)
You cannot say you love someone unless you would be willing to give your life for theirs.
That's what love is.
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
XSAS

Well said Burnside... I would in fact one of the services I offer is a personal bodyguard, I have protected many people in the past and it would be my job to be in the line of fire, rather than the principle or client. So not only would I do it for love I do it for money.
Unorthodox Thesis
Death for life? Well, it depends on who is dying and how can I save him. Or am I capable of saving him/her. But I would sacrifice myself for a younger person that I loved because they have more of life to experience.
Mad Manfred
Some see it differently.

While I love certain people, I certainly wouldn't die for them, and I would expect them to do the same.

Self preservation is an instinct we all have.
4dplane
I would give my life if I knew it would save the world. If the god (your choice) came to me and said, "let me nail you to that tree and I will save the world" I would die for that. I would die for the world - but not an individual. Therefore, what does this mean; I love no one but everyone at the same time. rofl.gif
Richdog
QUOTE(Mad Manfred @ May 4 2005, 04:47 PM)
Sorry, but absolutely not.

I have one chance at life...why would I throw it away?
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You're trying to tell me you would not give your life for your wife and kids? You'd let them die if you had to make a choice between them and yourself? blink.gif
jessicalawes11
QUOTE(4dplane @ May 4 2005, 05:57 PM)
I would give my life if I knew it would save the world. If the god (your choice) came to me and said, "let me nail you to that tree and I will save the world" I would die for that. I would die for the world - but not an individual. Therefore, what does this mean; I love no one but everyone at the same time.  rofl.gif
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I agree with that! yes.gif
green_dude777
It would be against my philosophies to not sacrifice myself for a loved one.
Mad Manfred
QUOTE(Richdog @ May 5 2005, 05:01 AM)
QUOTE(Mad Manfred @ May 4 2005, 04:47 PM)
Sorry, but absolutely not.

I have one chance at life...why would I throw it away?
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You're trying to tell me you would not give your life for your wife and kids? You'd let them die if you had to make a choice between them and yourself? blink.gif
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After giving it some thought. Yes.

My life is the most important thing to me. By no means am I a coward or even fear death, I just don't see why I should give up my one shot at life for someone else no matter how much I love them.

Don't get me wrong, I'd definitely run into a burning building in an attempt to save someone I care about...I just wouldn't intentionally die for them.
Richdog
I admit I wouldn't die for a atranger, or someone I didn't know too well, or someone that was in my family but old.

The only people I would die unequivocally for are my wife and kids, you could never call yourself a father if you didn't, and would never be able to live with yourself IMO.
JMPD1
QUOTE(4dplane @ May 4 2005, 12:57 PM)
I would give my life if I knew it would save the world. If the god (your choice) came to me and said, "let me nail you to that tree and I will save the world" I would die for that. I would die for the world - but not an individual. Therefore, what does this mean; I love no one but everyone at the same time.  rofl.gif
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That wasn't the question, now was it?

You are saying that if your mother, father, brother, sister, wife, or child were in a life threatening situation, you would preserve your own skin, rather than attempt to save them?

Yet you would 'die to save the world'. The answer you gave indicates, to me, that:

a - your love no one greater than yourself;

b - you are vain and wish to be the center of attraction;

OR

c - you are young and have not truly experienced love for another so deep that the object of your love is more important than your own.

Which is it?
HowdyDoo
Before I had kids, this would have been a hard question to answer.

Now, I know without hesitation, that I would give my life for my children. I think a parent's love for a child is as close as we'll come on Earth to understanding God's love for us. I don't think I really understood love until I had a child.

I may be willing to die for others, too...but that may need some thought.

It's interesting to see the other responses--it sure can say a great deal about a person.

mrmonsoon
It has been my opinion for a long time that one of the definitions of love is putting someones elses health/welfare/happiness before yours. wub.gif wub.gif thumbsup.gif
TheOriginalF
I think it depends on the situation, I doubt any of us here wouldn't at least think twice about sacrificing themselves for a loved one.

I don't what I would do, in a spur of the moment kind of thing like pushing somebody out of the way of an oncoming car than I probably would. If it was something that was premeditated than I might not, once I had time to think about what I was doing I might be apt to change my mind and not go through with it. But like I said none of us really know what we would do until we are actually faced with having to make that decision.
Super Pancake
Sure I would people died for less then that!
Stellar
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Couldn't have said it better myself.


Im glad you agree.

Heres another question. Pretty much the same as the first... but instead of sacrificng yourself, instead, sending your son to be sacrificed instead of yourself...
Super Pancake
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Heres another question. Pretty much the same as the first... but instead of sacrificng yourself, instead, sending your son to be sacrificed instead of yourself...

No!
Mad Manfred
QUOTE(Stellar @ May 5 2005, 06:31 AM)
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Couldn't have said it better myself.


Heres another question. Pretty much the same as the first... but instead of sacrificng yourself, instead, sending your son to be sacrificed instead of yourself...
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Is he an obnoxious little bastard? How about monstrously ugly?

Seriously though, its a loaded question...anyone who does say that they would will get driven from the forums by screaming hordes brandishing pitchforks and firesticks.
Lostchild1962
For my kids yes..They are my reason for wanting to live..my life!!
XSAS
QUOTE(Richdog @ May 4 2005, 07:16 PM)
I admit I wouldn't die for a atranger, or someone I didn't know too well, or someone that was in my family but old.

The only people I would die unequivocally for are my wife and kids, you could never call yourself a father if you didn't, and would never be able to live with yourself IMO.
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You say that but if you actually saw some child screaming from a window of a burning building or was being attacked by an armed assailant, your natural reaction would be to help.
4dplane
QUOTE(JMPD1 @ May 4 2005, 12:17 PM)
QUOTE(4dplane @ May 4 2005, 12:57 PM)
I would give my life if I knew it would save the world. If the god (your choice) came to me and said, "let me nail you to that tree and I will save the world" I would die for that. I would die for the world - but not an individual. Therefore, what does this mean; I love no one but everyone at the same time.  rofl.gif
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That wasn't the question, now was it?

You are saying that if your mother, father, brother, sister, wife, or child were in a life threatening situation, you would preserve your own skin, rather than attempt to save them?

Yet you would 'die to save the world'. The answer you gave indicates, to me, that:

a - your love no one greater than yourself;

b - you are vain and wish to be the center of attraction;

OR

c - you are young and have not truly experienced love for another so deep that the object of your love is more important than your own.

Which is it?
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I choose “d”, none of the above.

As pointed out before, this thread is a bit of a loaded question. We can all say we would, or we would not, sacrifice ourselves for someone we love; but the fact is, no one knows this unless they are put in the situation of life and death.

I do know however, if I was given the choice to be nailed to a tree to save all of humanity, I would.

To me, this^ is answering the question the only way I see possible.

Sacrifice! http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Sacrifice
Trippy how the word “sacrifice” can be either good or bad according to how you look at it.

QUOTE(Stellar)
Heres another question. Pretty much the same as the first... but instead of sacrificng yourself, instead, sending your son to be sacrificed instead of yourself...


If god promised me that nailing my son to a tree would save the world, I would. In fact, if he asked me to nail you to a tree to save the world, I am sorry to say I would. laugh.gif
XSAS

That is another question and probably a new discussion? I however would disagree with harming my own child regardless to the consequences. I protect my family from harm, that is my role.
4dplane
And a most honorable role that is...
XSAS

Thank you.
QueenoftheNight
I would; even for someone I didn't know. I put others before me, espesially children. I would go to hell in place of a child.
Michelle
I would without a second thought...
RH2097
I think I would. But it may be different if the situation arises. I probably would though. I find my life worthless anyways.
XSAS
QUOTE(QueenoftheNight @ May 4 2005, 11:34 PM)
I would; even for someone I didn't know. I put others before me, espesially children. I would go to hell in place of a child.
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I totally agree, I recover abducted children as part of the many services I offer and it is fantasic to see the look on their faces when they are handed back to the legal custodial guardian... I think you need to be a parent to really appreciate it.
XSAS
QUOTE(RH2097 @ May 4 2005, 11:38 PM)
I think I would.  But it may be different if the situation arises.  I probably would though.  I find my life worthless anyways.
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RH2097... No life especially yours is worthless.
RH2097
Yeah, but I have a black heart right now. So meh. And I still think it is worthless.
XSAS

Behave yourself we all go through crap many times but it does not mean life is worthless.. Damn I have had my moments but you have to stay focused.
Stellar
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If god promised me that nailing my son to a tree would save the world, I would. In fact, if he asked me to nail you to a tree to save the world, I am sorry to say I would.


Thats not the question. When, lets say your daughter is in danger, would you send your son to sacrifice himself saving her, or would you do it yourself?
XSAS
QUOTE(Stellar @ May 4 2005, 11:47 PM)
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If god promised me that nailing my son to a tree would save the world, I would. In fact, if he asked me to nail you to a tree to save the world, I am sorry to say I would.


Thats not the question. When, lets say your daughter is in danger, would you send your son to sacrifice himself saving her, or would you do it yourself?
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I think 4dplane is just showing us his commitment to religion, I guess under the umbrella of actual reality things might look a bit different, I am sure he could not drive the nails through his own childs wrist and feet, regardless to what the costs.
Michelle
Stellar, you asked the question but I haven't seen your view on the topic. Care to share?
Purplos
I would not sacrifice myself for my children. Why? Because I'm the only thing standing between them and their abusive father (my ex-husband) and if I was gone and they were alive, they would be handed over to him without hesitation by the courts. With my belief system, they would be just going on to the next great adventure anyway.
JMPD1
ya know, reading 4Dplanes post about nailing his own child to a tree sent shivers up my spine. And not in a good way.

Religion is fine, if thats what it takes to get you through the day, but in my years on the NYPD, I've seen what 'extreme' religion can do. I've responded to calls of a child in distress, and upon further investigation, discovered that the parent/guardian was responsible for the injuries sustained. In one horrific example, a mother and grandmother scalded a child of 3 to death. They said they were trying to quote: "drive the devil out of the boy" unquote. Apparently, the boy was crying and wouldn't stop.....

And, what 4D said about not knowing how you would react in a given situation, he is correct: we all like to think that we'll do the right and noble thing, but you can never be sure. People like XSAS and myself, even though I've never met him, have been through the cauldren. We can be pretty sure of how we'd react in times of stress.

And, to answer the 2nd question: no I would not place my child in danger to save another.
XSAS
Good response, I agree fully.
4dplane
Just to set things straight - I am not a religious man. Spiritual yes - but the belief in a god written by man is in no way apart of my belief system.
4dplane
Some say they would go to hell in place of a child. What is the difference in saying I would kill to save us all; or I would kill myself to save us all. The whole point here is sacrifice – one way or another something must die.

In my previous comments, I was exploring the idea of sacrifice. The thought that in religion you have this concept “sacrifice” and this man/god let himself be sacrificed to open a doorway into heaven or hell. He scarified himself for all of us, because he loves us – right?

Just like the question, “Would you sacrifice yourself for someone you love?”

Well Jesus did, he did not do it for an individual but for all of humanity – right?.

There is some kind of logic in here and I am just tossing it around. Therefore, IF GOD said to me, “kill and I will save them all”, I would do what Jesus did and I would obey god.

Now – how do you know its god giving you the orders! w00t.gif
Paranoid Android
I think these are loaded questions.

And I have a question for you Stellar, and indeed anyone else who feels they would like to answer.

Would you willingly die a horrible, painful death for people that actively hated you?
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