Pyxis
May 19 2005, 12:36 PM
Love is the single best and worst thing you can feel. It makes you weak and it makes you strong. Would I sacrifice myself? For the ones I"m closest to: In a heartbeat.
Amalgamut
May 20 2005, 05:33 AM
QUOTE(4dplane @ May 16 2005, 01:23 AM)
QUOTE(RH2097 @ May 14 2005, 06:12 PM)
Yes, love is sacrifice. If not, the world would be even worse than it already is.
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QUOTE(Amalgamut @ May 15 2005, 02:25 PM)
exactly.
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You two see love as sacrifice - how can this possibly play into a peaceful existence here on planet Earth? If love is the greatest act to achieve and love equals sacrifice, then...
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Think about it, if there was no love in this world everyone would hate each other.
Lets say you have one person who has the chance to save two people lives. The two people are his little 4 year old girls. Now, under
your mentality, you would save yourself, and let them die. However, under my mentality (and probably many others) I would give my life for theirs in a heartbeat. Besides, there is no way in hell I could live with myself knowing that I got away scott free, and they both died.
This is what sacrifice is. You show them more love by dying for them by saving their lives, then by you continuing to live the rest of your life and loving them everyday.
hyperactive
May 20 2005, 05:57 AM
biologically speaking, it is in the nature of the parent to try and protect the young to ensure the continuation of the its genes.
however, it is not necessarily in the best interest of the parent to sacrifice itself because that in many cases leaves the offspring in a position of peril and likely death. It is often better to allow the offspring to die than to sacrific oneself leaving nothing behind.
also: love/hate = more dualistic silliness. why would you think that everyone would hate each other without love? a rather negative view of the individual and a low opinion of intellect! love and hate are just more man made mumbo-jumbo to define and control his environment.
green_dude777
May 20 2005, 01:56 PM
Quote"however, it is not necessarily in the best interest of the parent to sacrifice itself because that in many cases leaves the offspring in a position of peril and likely death. It is often better to allow the offspring to die than to sacrific oneself leaving nothing behind."
Where do you live? I'm just asking, because this is not "likely" anymore for the human race. The rest of society will take care of the young, as in some types of animals. This is a pretty primitive way at looking at the human race, and I think this is a low opinion of our intellect.
Method
May 20 2005, 01:57 PM
I heard if you die for someone your automatically saved ... I am not really sure though.
JMPD1
May 20 2005, 02:03 PM
Hyperactive is correct, but that reason for it is slightly outdated.
In primitive times, he is 100% correct: it would be more practical for an adult to survive and bear other offspring, than for the adult to perish, leaving an infant/child to be cared for by the tribe and drain resources.
Of course, in todays modern, western socities, this is considered barbaric and savage. The reverse is now the societal moral course, ie the parent dies so that the offspring survive., due to better resources, and organizations founded to handle child welfare.
Lost_In_Thought
May 20 2005, 02:06 PM
Of course I would! My family, friends and even my annoying Brother! It goes well with my wish to die fighting and in a blaze of glory!
green_dude777
May 20 2005, 02:12 PM
Quote"Hyperactive is correct, but that reason for it is slightly outdated.
In primitive times, he is 100% correct: it would be more practical for an adult to survive and bear other offspring, than for the adult to perish, leaving an infant/child to be cared for by the tribe and drain resources."
Hence the reason I said it was a primitive view of our race and a low opinion of our intellect.
hyperactive
May 20 2005, 04:10 PM
QUOTE(green_dude777 @ May 20 2005, 06:12 AM)
Quote"Hyperactive is correct, but that reason for it is slightly outdated.
In primitive times, he is 100% correct: it would be more practical for an adult to survive and bear other offspring, than for the adult to perish, leaving an infant/child to be cared for by the tribe and drain resources."
Hence the reason I said it was a primitive view of our race and a low opinion of our intellect.
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it was a statement of how nature works in general. of course in social packs animals will adopt the abandoned offspring if there are enough resources to do so.
our intellect has nothing to do with basic survival drives. lower level functioning will always take priority over higher order functioning. That being said, the sad reality of what we see happen in the foster care and adoption programs (a percentage of those involved) does not make man look like all that much more than an opportunist (the animalism comes out).
darksideofme
May 26 2005, 02:06 AM
I would sacrafice my life for my sisters, nephews, niece and my g/f.
The way I see it is I have lived long enough that the younger ones deserve a chance, or a life much more meaningful then mine. And as for my g/f...well it just seems like love is more important then life itself.
And I would without a doubt do it for any one of them...Again my love is strong and I am willing to pass myself these 6 people.
Amalgamut
May 27 2005, 04:12 AM
I would sacrifice myself for my pet hamster.
101
May 29 2005, 05:28 PM
To sacrifice yourself for someone you love....well I have to say that if it were the love for my child,mom,dad,or close relative yes. But for a person who I loved that didn't love me back no.
Say I love Joe....
Joe loves Sally....
Joe don't love me...
Should I die for Joe...
Yes if Joe was somebody I truly loved...
What do you think would you die for Joe if Joe loves Sally??
hyperactive
May 30 2005, 02:07 AM
well, the reciprical nature of sacrifice is not required.
there is no guarentee that someone you love would die for you even if you would for them...
it is what matters to you.
101
May 30 2005, 10:29 PM
Well I would die for someone if I loved them even if they didn't love me. It is just how I am .
marduk
May 30 2005, 11:27 PM
Been there done that got the t shirt and the past life trauma to prove it
Turtle
May 31 2005, 10:23 PM
I would even go as far to say that i would sacrafice myself for a stranger as well.
No fear of death here.
Fox Lupine
Jun 1 2005, 07:05 PM
QUOTE
I would even go as far to say that i would sacrafice myself for a stranger as well.
No fear of death here.
If you honestly believe that, I say good for you
I for one, couldn't. No fear of death here, but no boredom with life either
hyperactive
Jun 1 2005, 07:36 PM
QUOTE(Turtle @ May 31 2005, 02:23 PM)
I would even go as far to say that i would sacrafice myself for a stranger as well.
No fear of death here.
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fascinating!
is that in the "moment of action" scenario where you would just jump in front of a bus to push a child out of the way or in the "best choice" scenario where, like in the movies, you are the best one to do the job and even though it means certian death, you will do it to save the rest of the team?
either way... it takes quite a bit to act in such a way. quite commendable.
marduk
Jun 2 2005, 06:42 PM
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Jun 1 2005, 08:36 PM)
QUOTE(Turtle @ May 31 2005, 02:23 PM)
I would even go as far to say that i would sacrafice myself for a stranger as well.
No fear of death here.
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fascinating!
is that in the "moment of action" scenario where you would just jump in front of a bus to push a child out of the way or in the "best choice" scenario where, like in the movies, you are the best one to do the job and even though it means certian death, you will do it to save the rest of the team?
either way... it takes quite a bit to act in such a way. quite commendable.
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The proof is in the pudding
Fox Lupine
Jun 2 2005, 09:53 PM
Once again, the whole point comes down to believeing in love, and the many kinds of love. If you loved life, but aloved someone who will die, would you sacrifice yourself?
If you loved someone who hated your guts, would you?
And if you loved someone, but felt they didn't deserve life (eg- was a rapist etc) would you save them?
What if thery didn't WANT TO BE SAVED?
sultanmuratova
Jun 3 2005, 01:37 PM
i would sacrifice myself for someone i love, especially my husband.
with no doubts what so ever.
Lordgalyan
Jun 3 2005, 08:13 PM
I have to say I would jump infront of a bullet to save my wife and my children. Would I take my life for ANY ONE OR ANY THING absolutlly not.
Death does not bother me at all I am not affraid of it, But I enjoy life.
I can not say I would sacrifice for any other members of the family except wife and children.
Would I save a stranger as with everysoul in the world it would be at that moment that I would make that decision.
ohm037
Aug 7 2005, 07:02 AM
QUOTE(Stellar @ May 4 2005, 03:42 PM)
Yes or no... and why?
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First of all, I am a believer. Are you a believer?
"I worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity . . . there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal. The Father uncreate, the Son uncreate, and the Holy Ghost uncreate . . ." All are declared to be eternal, "yet they are not three eternals, but one eternal". The Creed concludes with the ominous statement: "He that will be saved must think thus of the Trinity."
God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us . . . For if, when we were enemies (that is, of God), we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life" (Romans 5:8-10).
So God manifests His only Son, begotten by the power of His Holy Spirit, yet fully a member of the human race. That Son experiences all the temptations of humanity, but firmly rejects them, and chooses to do, not his own will, but the will of the Father. It is vital for us to understand that Jesus made this decision entirely of his own will. He was not forced into it by God, or inevitably predisposed towards it by some preexistent consciousness in heaven.
If God sent his only begotten Son to die in the cross so that He can saved us from our sins, how can I not choose to die for someone I love with all my heart and soul when I'm only human?
Why would our Creator send his only Son to die for us? The Lord made his choice to saved us from our sins so that we can have an eternal life with him because He loves us all, but you also have to make your choice to believe and trust in Him.
ohm037
Aug 7 2005, 07:06 AM
First of all, I am a believer. Are you a believer?
"I worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity . . . there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal. The Father uncreate, the Son uncreate, and the Holy Ghost uncreate . . ." All are declared to be eternal, "yet they are not three eternals, but one eternal". The Creed concludes with the ominous statement: "He that will be saved must think thus of the Trinity."
God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us . . . For if, when we were enemies (that is, of God), we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life" (Romans 5:8-10).
So God manifests His only Son, begotten by the power of His Holy Spirit, yet fully a member of the human race. That Son experiences all the temptations of humanity, but firmly rejects them, and chooses to do, not his own will, but the will of the Father. It is vital for us to understand that Jesus made this decision entirely of his own will. He was not forced into it by God, or inevitably predisposed towards it by some preexistent consciousness in heaven.
If God himself sent his only begotten Son to die in the cross so that He can saved us from our sins, how can I not choose to die for someone I love with all my heart and soul when I'm only human? Why would our Creator send his only Son to die for us? The Lord made his choice to saved us from our sins so that we can have an eternali life with him because He loves us all, but you also have to make your choice to believe and trust in Him.
ajagsfairy
Aug 7 2005, 07:07 AM
I would with out any second thoughts for ones i love. If that could save them from dying or pain.
Ashley-Star*Child
Aug 7 2005, 10:04 AM
To answer the original question. Yes, for someone I loved, family, or a worthy cause.
There is no such thing as love without some form of sacrifice.
Paranoid Android
Aug 7 2005, 10:04 AM
QUOTE(ajagsfairy @ Aug 7 2005, 05:07 PM)
I would with out any second thoughts for ones i love. If that could save them from dying or pain.
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And for those who you don't love?
I for one would like to think I would. Indeed I have jumped into the sea to pull people I didn't know out of a rip - put my own life at risk to save those I don't know. But that was the heat of the moment, life or death situation. If I had time to think about it, I just don't know. As I said, I'd like to think I would, but I don't know..........
Megalomania
Aug 7 2005, 10:11 AM
For someone I love?
Definitely.
I would die to prolong their life, or keep them from pain.
To tell you the truth, if someone I loved died, I'd commit suicide anyway.
Love's the only thing keeping me alive.
Adonaijah
Aug 7 2005, 10:59 PM
Yes, I would sacrifice myself to save others if ever faced with the choice.
Tangerine Sheri
Aug 7 2005, 11:48 PM
We are all capable of the noblest acts when we are just who we are otherwise we would not have people who save babies from burning bldgs, everyday somewhere walks a hero or heroine.
Yes I would give my life for my loved ones with honor.
I'd like to think if I found myself in the situation needing to save a stranger that I would also with honor. Namaste sheri
iaapac
Aug 8 2005, 12:24 AM
While there are countless examples of those who do heroic acts, placing their own lives in danger for others, we have no idea of how many people did not respond to emergencies and permitted others to die.
nativechick1989
Aug 8 2005, 03:51 AM
I don't love anybody!
iaapac
Aug 8 2005, 04:32 AM
QUOTE(nativechick1989 @ Aug 8 2005, 01:21 AM)
I don't love anybody!

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That's okay. We all love you but none of us are going to die for you.
ajagsfairy
Aug 8 2005, 04:35 AM
I dont think i could for any given stranger i guess it would have to depend on the cercumstance involved for me to say. However if it was for a child i would without hesitation.
Sunlit_Coyote
Aug 8 2005, 04:36 AM
I have experienced the world and Yes I would scrifice for others to live and be able to do the things I have done,,,,,,,,,, I will never regret any of them either (and some wernt that good) LOL
Septimus
Aug 8 2005, 04:43 AM
Without a doubt.
Ziggy Stardust
Aug 8 2005, 05:03 AM
QUOTE(nativechick1989 @ Aug 8 2005, 03:51 AM)
I don't love anybody!

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Not true NC; you love me!!
*Throws rice*
Melladior
Aug 8 2005, 05:16 AM
I would absolutely sacrifice myself for my children without a second thought. What kind of mother would I be if I'd let them die when I could save them? It's both my privelege and obligation.
nativechick1989
Aug 8 2005, 06:26 AM
QUOTE(Socrates @ Aug 7 2005, 11:03 PM)
QUOTE(nativechick1989 @ Aug 8 2005, 03:51 AM)
I don't love anybody!

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Not true NC; you love me!!
*Throws rice*
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Dang, you just revealed our secret!

What would Moose say!?! Not to mention all the other UM men, who lead themselves to believe that I Loved them??
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But the question really is - would I sacrifice myself for you? Hmm . . . idk!
Ziggy Stardust
Aug 8 2005, 06:41 AM
Oh, c'mon NC - after all that sinister action in the virtual chapel surely I mean something to you!
nativechick1989
Aug 8 2005, 06:50 AM
QUOTE(Socrates @ Aug 8 2005, 12:41 AM)
Oh, c'mon NC - after all that sinister action in the virtual chapel surely I mean something to you!
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What sinister action??
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What do you want me to say? I should turn the question around to you - would YOU sacrifice yourself for Me?
Ziggy Stardust
Aug 8 2005, 06:56 AM
Of course!
But I'd probably end up surviving - my six pack is able to spit bullets out.
nativechick1989
Aug 8 2005, 07:04 AM
QUOTE(Socrates @ Aug 8 2005, 12:56 AM)
Of course!
But I'd probably end up surviving - my six pack is able to spit bullets out.

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Uh huh . . . Cool!
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Of course!
Well . . That's more than what I can say about my family, they don't even think I exist.

Let alone sacrifice themselves for me.
Ziggy Stardust
Aug 8 2005, 07:06 AM
Awww!
Don't worry NC - you are loved.
nativechick1989
Aug 8 2005, 07:13 AM
QUOTE(Socrates @ Aug 8 2005, 01:06 AM)
Awww!
Don't worry NC - you are loved.
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Yeah? By whom?
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Thanks!
Megalomania
Aug 8 2005, 07:30 AM
About the strangers, it depends on the situation, if it has anything to do with deep watter, I wouldn't, as I can't swim, and it's pointless to die to save someone who will die with my help anyway....
Ziggy Stardust
Aug 8 2005, 08:13 AM
QUOTE(nativechick1989 @ Aug 8 2005, 07:13 AM)
QUOTE(Socrates @ Aug 8 2005, 01:06 AM)
Awww!
Don't worry NC - you are loved.
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Yeah? By whom?
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Thanks!

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*Screws NC tighter*
By me, and a whole lot of other people!
P.S I hope the top statement didn't sound dodgy. I was referring to dimness, like a lightbulb type thing. Ahh shoot me!
JuiciCouture
Aug 8 2005, 06:11 PM
I WOULD SACRAFICE MYSELF FOR LOVE!!!
JuiciBooty
Aug 8 2005, 07:13 PM
QUOTE(Stellar @ May 4 2005, 04:42 PM)
Yes or no... and why?
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I could see myself doing that. Some ppl need that.
nativechick1989
Aug 8 2005, 09:07 PM
QUOTE(iaapac @ Aug 7 2005, 10:32 PM)
QUOTE(nativechick1989 @ Aug 8 2005, 01:21 AM)
I don't love anybody!

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That's okay. We all love you but none of us are going to die for you.
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Uh huh . . .
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Well, my reply was a straight forward honest answer!
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