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Stellar
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Sorry but I will Strongly disagree with you on that wink2.gif and all I can say is ...I hope that day never comes and if it did...I would die for my daughter if you can't come to grips with that..that is your own problem...hey why not ask your mom/dad the same question!!


That wont change a thing. Point is, its easier to say you will than to actually do it. I can say I'd be able to shoot someone no problem if he's pointing a gun at me, but if I'm faced with that situation, who knows what'll happen?

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Wouldn't that be selfish to deny life to your child?


Point?
101
The point is a parent should be selfless in my opinion. original.gif
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Stellar @ Dec 12 2005, 09:09 PM) [snapback]972506[/snapback]

That wont change a thing. Point is, its easier to say you will than to actually do it. I can say I'd be able to shoot someone no problem if he's pointing a gun at me, but if I'm faced with that situation, who knows what'll happen?
Point?


Intresting but if a gun was aimed at me then I don't know if I would fight back or just freeze...but if the gun was pointed at my lil girl..nothing would stop me from protecting her and if it meant I would die I would be proud to die for her safety...Stellar unless you have got kids of your own only then you would understand and if you don't know a person (personally) on line that has posted an honest reponce to your question, then you can't really judge what he/she may do in that situation, and as I had said before...if you are going to tell those of use that we may not die for the safety of our children, then why post the question in the 1st place. A better question would be either - If held at gun point would you try and attack the gun man? or would you freeze with shock..what effect would this have on you....and then you would get different responces and not obvious ones
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BABYG
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Dec 13 2005, 09:05 AM) [snapback]972400[/snapback]

Gee girl you are paranoid..I was speaking in general
yes.gif so perhaps next time you might just ask me what I meant and who I was talking about before you rant at me



Yup i am paranoid + i was having an ugly day and when i read that i got the impression u were aiming it at me but then i re read it after i replied and edited the bit about and if this wasn't aimed at me please disregard this message. So sorry if i was rantiing at you. blush.gif
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(BABYG @ Dec 13 2005, 12:51 AM) [snapback]972812[/snapback]

Yup i am paranoid + i was having an ugly day and when i read that i got the impression u were aiming it at me but then i re read it after i replied and edited the bit about and if this wasn't aimed at me please disregard this message. So sorry if i was rantiing at you. blush.gif


I edit 90% of my posts cuz I always make a boo boo LOL but hey no worries we all have our fair share of bad days wink2.gif
Stellar
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The point is a parent should be selfless in my opinion.


It doesnt really matter what people should be.

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Intresting but if a gun was aimed at me then I don't know if I would fight back or just freeze...but if the gun was pointed at my lil girl..nothing would stop me from protecting her and if it meant I would die I would be proud to die for her safety...


You're assuming that 1. Its that easy and 2. You'd be thinking straight.

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then you can't really judge what he/she may do in that situation


You cant really judge what you'd do in that situation neither, could you? You've never been put in that situation. Like I've been saying, its nice and easy to say you would die for someone while theres no risk to you at the present time...

AnuKabal
Death is nothing to a son of a battlecry, I look forward to the day I die because I belive in a realm for the warriors. I hope in my afterlife I can have the honor to face Hattori Hanzo and Oda Nobonaga. So of course I would die for Pamy, To the sons of a battlecry honor is the ultimate reward.
iaapac
Do you really believe the other person would die for you? Again, I'm talking about a romantic relationship, not mother / child, etc. I don't think so. It's kinda like the crazies who commit suicide because their girlfriend left them. If they had lived they wouldn't remember her name in ten years more. Maybe I'm a cynic but no, I would not die for another person.

Maybe there is one exception. If I was in bed and 90 years old, I wouldn't mind being killed by a jealous husband.
joc
In answer to the original question:

I would sacrifice myself for a complete stranger.
AnuKabal
I would too.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Stellar @ Dec 13 2005, 01:16 AM) [snapback]972836[/snapback]

You're assuming that 1. Its that easy and 2. You'd be thinking straight.
You cant really judge what you'd do in that situation neither, could you? You've never been put in that situation. Like I've been saying, its nice and easy to say you would die for someone while theres no risk to you at the present time...


Gee how to I make you understand ok I will break it down to you... 1. it is built into a mothers system to PROTECT her child regardless the freaking situation....2. IF on the other hand her child is not the one in trouble and its just the mother alone then YES it would be a whole different ball game!!!

Stellar dude no offence but I don't think you should make such replies to any one that would die for thir kids if you have no CLUE what and how a parent feels, now if you can't understand that...you are clueless

Why dont you read up on a few articals on a mothers natural instinct for her childs protection and maybe see if you can find stories on how parents have died or almost died to save their kid

Ever see the movie that was based on a true storey called John Q, where his son will die if he doesnt get a heart transplant, and his father is so desperate to save his sons life and at one point held a gun to his head so that the sec he dies the doctors would use his hear to save his son...

DaKong
Yes, I would sacrifice myself for someone. Even some random homeless guy begging for food across the street. Jesus sacrificed his life for people who thought he was crazy and a liar, so I ask you why can't we do the same and risk our lives for someone else. I remember something I said to my friend a long time ago...

"Samma, if you were in Heaven and I were in Hell, I'd ask God for us to switch places so you wouldn't be in pain."
Stellar
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1. it is built into a mothers system to PROTECT her child regardless the freaking situation....


It's also build into some peoples systems to panick in certain circumstances and break down.

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2. IF on the other hand her child is not the one in trouble and its just the mother alone then YES it would be a whole different ball game!!!


Considering that I never specified who would be dying for who and their relationship...

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Stellar dude no offence but I don't think you should make such replies to any one that would die for thir kids if you have no CLUE what and how a parent feels, now if you can't understand that...


Well, if you dont think I should make such replies... rolleyes.gif

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Ever see the movie that was based on a true storey called John Q, where his son will die if he doesnt get a heart transplant, and his father is so desperate to save his sons life and at one point held a gun to his head so that the sec he dies the doctors would use his hear to save his son...


Ever heard of the cases of a mother killing her child?
AnuKabal
It also comes down to your attitude towards death. If you've been in lifethreating situations before and didn't panic, you have a good chance of not caring for your own life is lost for another.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Stellar @ Dec 13 2005, 03:04 AM) [snapback]972975[/snapback]

It's also build into some peoples systems to panick in certain circumstances and break down.
Considering that I never specified who would be dying for who and their relationship...
Well, if you dont think I should make such replies... rolleyes.gif
Ever heard of the cases of a mother killing her child?


Yea a few and they plead insanity

As for your replies I don't think you should comment on any one that loves their kids and would die for them...good job you don't have kids and are around when they arre in trouble gawd help them if that where to ever happen...funny how you never posted your clueless replies to the rest of the members that said the same as me rolleyes.gif but maybe you can't handle too many ranting back at you...understandable... happy.gif
DaKong
Even the most extraverted, outdoors, livin'-la-vida-loca women becomes a fierce, protective mother when it comes to her child. Nuff said. Anyways, and I will agree to this, we men have no idea what women do for their children. It's like in the movies and all either the mom's some tyrant bent on making her children's life more miserable than hers or a too-sweet/protective-for-words mother that has no place in the real world. We'll never truly understand the amount of love a women gives to a child.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(DaKong @ Dec 13 2005, 03:30 AM) [snapback]973016[/snapback]

Even the most extraverted, outdoors, livin'-la-vida-loca women becomes a fierce, protective mother when it comes to her child. Nuff said. Anyways, and I will agree to this, we men have no idea what women do for their children. It's like in the movies and all either the mom's some tyrant bent on making her children's life more miserable than hers or a too-sweet/protective-for-words mother that has no place in the real world. We'll never truly understand the amount of love a women gives to a child.


I totally take my hat of to you...you may be young and don't have any kids...but you seem to be able to look at things from a mothers point of view and yes you are right....no one could possibly understand the love a mother has for her child.

To be honest with you, before I had my lil girl, my whole attitude on life was completely different and at one point I didn't like kids and couldn't imagine what it would be like to be a mother, I used to question a number of things as to why mothers worry a lot ect..untill the day came I had my own child and the mothers instinct & love for my baby kicked in.
If my lil girl was dying and needed my heart to save her I would jump at the chance because in my eyes she deserves to live her life and have the chance to grow, I couldn't bare the very thought of her dying on me, so I would do anything to save her, and when I think about it I cant imagine my life without her.
I am willing to bet that your mom would do the same for you
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I don't think there is a parent on here that would save themselves before their kids, if any parent where to say they wouldn't protect their kids...that would be so sad
DaKong
original.gif Thank you, and you aren't too bad of a parent yourself. Sadly it's amazing about the stories we hear of parents killing their children for money or whatever... No baby's value should be judged in cold, lifeless cash, but that warm feeling you get when you hold it in your arms.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(DaKong @ Dec 13 2005, 03:51 AM) [snapback]973046[/snapback]

original.gif Thank you, and you aren't too bad of a parent yourself. Sadly it's amazing about the stories we hear of parents killing their children for money or whatever... No baby's value should be judged in cold, lifeless cash, but that warm feeling you get when you hold it in your arms.


Someday you will make a great father..you seem intellegent and understanding, shame about the thread starter though , and judging by his ignorance, I wouldn't be surprised if he winded up a lonely old man rolleyes.gif
DaKong
grin2.gif Thank you again, and Stellar? laugh.gif Nah, he just likes to debate a bit too much. And thanks about that good father comment blush.gif no one's ever told me that before.
Beckys_Mom
Your welcome wink2.gif
BABYG
For a parent to loose a child in my eyes would have to be the worst thing to ever go through. Children are not meant to die b4 there parents. If my daughter was in a burning house i would not give a crap about myself i'd rather risk my life to try and save her even if it meant we both died. She is a half of me so really i would be risking my life to save a part of myself, she is made up of my genes, and was brought into this world by me so i'd try my damn hardest to protect her and make sure she stayed in it.
As for a mother killing her child, she deserves to be shot and should never have had the privilege of having a child. Actually shooting her would be to good and the easy way out for her,
Stormi
Now that I have found someone whom I truly have that kind of love for, my answer is yes.
Paranoid Android
QUOTE(DaKong @ Dec 13 2005, 01:22 PM) [snapback]972919[/snapback]

Yes, I would sacrifice myself for someone. Even some random homeless guy begging for food across the street. Jesus sacrificed his life for people who thought he was crazy and a liar, so I ask you why can't we do the same and risk our lives for someone else. I remember something I said to my friend a long time ago...

"Samma, if you were in Heaven and I were in Hell, I'd ask God for us to switch places so you wouldn't be in pain."


I'd like to think that I could do this. Indeed, in the heat of the moment, I have put myself in harm's way to help total stranger's. But would I do it again? Maybe! Would I do it if I had the chance to think about it before hand? I don't know. I'd like to think my attitude would be like Jesus. But without being in that situation, I just don't know and could not say.

Stellar - just curious, but do you have children of your own?

Regards, PA
AnuKabal
A mother has the soul of a warrior, when her child is in danger she go to any length to save it.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(BABYG @ Dec 13 2005, 06:40 AM) [snapback]973151[/snapback]

For a parent to loose a child in my eyes would have to be the worst thing to ever go through. Children are not meant to die b4 there parents. If my daughter was in a burning house i would not give a crap about myself i'd rather risk my life to try and save her even if it meant we both died. She is a half of me so really i would be risking my life to save a part of myself, she is made up of my genes, and was brought into this world by me so i'd try my damn hardest to protect her and make sure she stayed in it.
As for a mother killing her child, she deserves to be shot and should never have had the privilege of having a child. Actually shooting her would be to good and the easy way out for her,


I have lost a baby and I beat myself up every day constantly blaming myself but the doctors kept telling me it wasn't my fault miscarriages happen ( I had alread begun to bond with it at 4ths gone) Then soon I was lucky to be blessed with another one and thankfully she was born and I now feel better knowing I can do more about it if she fell ill or something, unlike the last pregnancy where I figured after 3 months I was safe then soon after 4 months it was no more and a tough time to face.

I like the way you worded that BABYG -- She is half of me already, she is made up of my genes, that is so true, and a nice way to look at it she is your flesh & blood and like myself you would do anything to have her lead a healthy life and you look forward to her growing and you love to watch her learn. I have already began to wonder what my daughter would sound like and I long for her 1st words and to hear her call me mommy wub.gif

THe mothers that have had children and murdered them have pleaded insanity and I don't think that the mothers instinct and love for their children really set in, and when they got pregnant it wasn't a planned pregnancy and they hated the responsibility and couldn't cope with a crying baby so being so careless and crazy they choose to kill their kids.

Other moms that have had kids that where not planned, where lucky to have the love and natural mothers instinct set in the sec the baby was born, like my mother, she didn't plan to have me but she told me that when I was born her natural mothers instinct came over her instantly and has always been with her ever since. For those mothers that kill their infants don't deserve to be shot, like you said shooting is much too easy for them, a slow painful death is much better.

Speaking of a mothers natural instinct, it is the same with the animals, like when my b*tch labrador had pups, the sec I tried to lift one of them, she nearly took my hand clean off and wouldn't take her eyes off me untill I placed the pup back to where it was next to its mother. All female animals that have pups, kittens, cubs ect will kill to protect thir lil ones yes.gif
Stellar
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Yea a few and they plead insanity


It doesnt matter what they plead. The point is, there are people like this.

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As for your replies I don't think you should comment on any one that loves their kids and would die for them...


And I dont think you should make general blanket statements. You very well could die for your child, but there are also people that would not, and even people who say they would but faced with the situation they would hesitate. There are even more of those people when it hasnt to do with the child in danger but someone less related. You need to look at reality instead of your idealistic view of things.

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good job you don't have kids and are around when they arre in trouble gawd help them if that where to ever happen...


Mature. Very mature. rolleyes.gif I sure hope your kid's get their maturity from their father.

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funny how you never posted your clueless replies to the rest of the members that said the same as me


Oh, I didnt? Go look at my post. It was a general statement to the *whole* damn thread. I didnt aim at anyone specifically. You're the one who chose to argue about it.

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but maybe you can't handle too many ranting back at you...understandable...


You're giving me plenty of ranting to handle...

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Even the most extraverted, outdoors, livin'-la-vida-loca women becomes a fierce, protective mother when it comes to her child. Nuff said.


Every single one?

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Stellar - just curious, but do you have children of your own?


The answer should be fairly evident...
Beckys_Mom
laugh.gif You made this stupid thread knowing the obvious answer simply to form an argument LOL you are one sad pup lol
101
Stellar, I know it shouldn't matter how people should be. But I would love to think no one is selfish. It makes me happier. I know that my ex husband is very selfish. Would he sacrifice himself for me - Heck no- my daughter- maybe. But he is not the type to think of noone but himself.

I hope I just find someone who is selfless and would want to do anything for my little girl.
Stellar
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you made this stupid thread knowing the obvious answer simply to form an argument LOL you are one sad pup lol


You're a psychic now? Well then, I'm sure you know exactly what I'm thinking right now.

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Stellar, I know it shouldn't matter how people should be. But I would love to think no one is selfish. It makes me happier. I know that my ex husband is very selfish. Would he sacrifice himself for me - Heck no- my daughter- maybe. But he is not the type to think of noone but himself.


Now, wouldnt you admit that theres people who, like your ex husband, would decide his life is more valuable and not sacrifice himself for you, but in the comfort of his safe home, would make a hero out of himself and say he would?
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Stellar, just curious. Alot of your post lately sound angry. Are you going through a rough time?
Paranoid Android
QUOTE(Stellar)
The answer should be fairly evident...


That's what I thought.....

RedRaider9981
Yes, because that's just the way I am.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(RedRaider9981 @ Dec 14 2005, 03:17 AM) [snapback]974764[/snapback]

Yes, because that's just the way I am.


Thats understandable
RedRaider9981
QUOTE(Mad Manfred @ May 4 2005, 09:47 AM) [snapback]604441[/snapback]

Sorry, but absolutely not.

I have one chance at life...why would I throw it away?



QUOTE(Mad Manfred @ May 4 2005, 11:37 AM) [snapback]604643[/snapback]

Some see it differently.

While I love certain people, I certainly wouldn't die for them, and I would expect them to do the same.

Self preservation is an instinct we all have.
You kill me Mad Manfred! laugh.gif rofl.gif
Stellar
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That's what I thought.....


Wouldnt change anything
Paranoid Android
As a wise Jedi Master once said: So certain are you!
101
Maybe he would change. I just don't know. I am not pyshic. lol
AnuKabal
Even the sons of a battlecry would get our asses handed to them by mothers whose children are in danger.
Stellar
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As a wise Jedi Master once said: So certain are you!


You actually mean to tell me that you believe that every single person who says he would die for someone else (be it complete stranger, or someone related) would, when faced with the situation, sacrifice themselves without a single hesitation?
Paranoid Android
I never said that either. Indeed, I have said the most honest answer would be "I don't know". But we're not talking about strangers now, we're talking about one's own children.
Bone_Collector
Some people say they would sacrifice their life for the people they love just to look like a hero and also because it sounds like the right thing to say but I tell you, MOST would step back when the time comes to prove what they said.

A good deal also depends HOW you will be needed to sacrifice your life. Say, if a person very close to you could be saved from a horrendous road accident or any slow and painful death, if you die in that person's place then I'd say most would step back. It takes a whole lot of guts to chose to die that way no matter how much you love a person. Probably if the choice of death is a quick and a painless one then more people would be willing to. But having said all this there are people who would be willing to give up their lives for the people they love, there are innumerable examples of people who actually did.

Many people see the ones who say that they wouldn't sacrifice their life for somebody they love as heartless and selfish, but I believe it is entirely a matter of personal opinion and that it doesn't necessarily make anybody great or selfish. To each, their own.

I personally would die for the person who is dearest to me. If that person is very young, like say... my son(though I don't have one right now) or my sis, I would because I would want them to see the world and live their life to the fullest but if it's my mom I, donno... probably I wouldn't( though she's the one dearest to me) because I wouldn't want her(at her age) to take the pain of seeing my death, I'd rather take the pain of seeing her's.
Stellar
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I never said that either. Indeed, I have said the most honest answer would be "I don't know".


Exactly. Its easy to say "Yes I would" and its harder to actually do it.

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But we're not talking about strangers now, we're talking about one's own children.


I was talking in general until someone decided to focus on that. In either case, whether someone would die for their child or not, it is still easier to say that you would than to actually do it.

And even if you're talking about one's own children, there are still people who would, when faced with the situation, NOT choose to die for them. It may not be as likely, but there are people like that.
~TheArtOfContact~
^The notion in that, that 'parents should never have to bury thier children'^ Some would have to have time to think about saying 'no' to your child.

Considering there is alot easier said than done, it isn't any easier having a child is it? I wouldn't think so - that is why I would say yes - again, I would sacrifice myself...
The Council of Nine
Its strange I hadn't even finished reading post title before thinking YES! yes.gif

...whats even stranger is I would never want anyone to do it for me?!?!
BABYG
QUOTE(The Council of Nine @ Dec 19 2005, 12:08 PM) [snapback]981585[/snapback]

Its strange I hadn't even finished reading post title before thinking YES! yes.gif

...whats even stranger is I would never want anyone to do it for me?!?!



That is so true, of course at the time im in trouble i would be hoping someone would help me, but if they were going to take there life to save mine i think i would rather they not, especially if it is someone who i loved and would risk mine for, because then it would be my fault that they are gone and if i would risk my life for them i wouldn't want them wasting theres risking it for me, oooh mad.gif im no good at saying what im thinking in my head but i no what i mean lol tongue.gif . I'd still have to go through the pain of seeing them gone, but with the guilt as well.
MK ULTRA
I would for a child easily but not an adult for some reason.
It depends on the circumstances too.
wolfspirit
Hello Friends:

To answer this unestly I'll say yes, no doubt.
I'll sacrifice even my life for my children and my
parents, in a nano-second. cool.gif
insane_potatoes
If anyone wants to take me life go ahead.
Aquietas
Srr 4 the late reply, to answer the first question - Undoubteably
To answer the second question - I'm the kind of person who looks after my family, not send them to thier death.
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