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Zackery00
Yes

For my wife, I would in a moment's time and not think twice about it either.
Sunlit_Coyote
Yes I most certainly would sacrifice myself for my girls. As the7y have yet to experiance the men , marriage, having children, making there own minds up for what they want to do in life, Have sex, sheesh I want them to have all the fun I did yes.gif yes.gif yes.gif yes.gif
Q-La
This world is so full of life-sacrificing heroes. For example, a good husband toiling his days, months, years and eventually life away without much fun to feed his family is a martyr IMO.

Celumnaz
for someone I love? easy, yes. Why? Because I love them, that's why.
*MoG*
QUOTE(XSAS @ May 4 2005, 05:10 PM)
Well said Burnside... I would in fact one of the services I offer is a personal bodyguard, I have protected many people in the past and it would be my job to be in the line of fire, rather than the principle or client. So not only would I do it for love I do it for money.
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QUOTE(XSAS @ May 4 2005, 10:39 PM)
QUOTE(QueenoftheNight @ May 4 2005, 11:34 PM)
I would; even for someone I didn't know. I put others before me, espesially children. I would go to hell in place of a child.
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I totally agree, I recover abducted children as part of the many services I offer and it is fantasic to see the look on their faces when they are handed back to the legal custodial guardian... I think you need to be a parent to really appreciate it.
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And this is just one of the reasons why I think you are perhaps the coolest person on this forum.

You are obviously very dedicated to your family and your work.

Although I would die for someone I loved - I would not die for money - you can't spend it when you are gone no.gif
Stellar
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Would you willingly die a horrible, painful death for people that actively hated you?


If I loved them, yes. Either way, your question means nothing. Clearly, its not right to sacrifice your son instead of yourself for others...
XSAS
QUOTE(Mystic Mog @ May 5 2005, 02:53 PM)
QUOTE(XSAS @ May 4 2005, 05:10 PM)
Well said Burnside... I would in fact one of the services I offer is a personal bodyguard, I have protected many people in the past and it would be my job to be in the line of fire, rather than the principle or client. So not only would I do it for love I do it for money.
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QUOTE(XSAS @ May 4 2005, 10:39 PM)
QUOTE(QueenoftheNight @ May 4 2005, 11:34 PM)
I would; even for someone I didn't know. I put others before me, espesially children. I would go to hell in place of a child.
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I totally agree, I recover abducted children as part of the many services I offer and it is fantasic to see the look on their faces when they are handed back to the legal custodial guardian... I think you need to be a parent to really appreciate it.
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And this is just one of the reasons why I think you are perhaps the coolest person on this forum.

You are obviously very dedicated to your family and your work.

Although I would die for someone I loved - I would not die for money - you can't spend it when you are gone no.gif
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Thank you very much, you are correct you can't spend it when your gone but you can leave it along with the Insurance for those you love, however I don't look at it that way as I don't intend to go just yet.
Paranoid Android
QUOTE(Stellar @ May 6 2005, 01:41 AM)
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Would you willingly die a horrible, painful death for people that actively hated you?


If I loved them, yes. Either way, your question means nothing. Clearly, its not right to sacrifice your son instead of yourself for others...
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For the record, I would sacrifice myself for loved ones. Perhaps even people I didn't know (if it was a spur of the moment thing, and I didn't have time to think about it and just jump into peril). And if I had a child for example, who hated me, i would still die for them because they were my child. But if it wasn't my child (or mother, father, brother etc) and they hated me, I would not die for them. Simple.

As i said in my previous post, these are loaded questions that you have asked to get a particular response from people. Obviously you are saying that God is evil (or at the least gutless) because he sacrificed his son instead of himself.

I beg to differ. In response, I point you to the triune nature of God. God is three persons in one. God the Father, God the Son, GOd the Holy Spirit, all seperate, all one. God loves His son - "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!" (Matthew 17:5), and as all of you on this thread have attested, anyone who loves their child would do anything to protect them. But God loves us so much that he was willing to allow His son to suffer FOR US. To me, this does not show an evil, gutless God - rather a God of endless and wonderful love.

And you make Jesus out to be an innocent child being sent to slaughter. Jesus had a choice - he didn't have to die. He certainly didn't want to die - "Abba, Father," he said, "everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will." (Mark 14:36)

Here is an except from a recent High School Youth Group talk I gave -

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You see – Jesus didn’t just die.  He died a painful death.  I don’t know if you know exactly what Jesus went through, so let me tell you.  He was whipped, beaten, mocked, made to carry his cross through town.  He had a crown of thorns rammed on to his head – and these are no ordinary thorns you see on a rosebush in your garden.  They’re desert thorns which are big and thick – ripping and tearing flesh.  Finally, he was put up on to the cross – nail’s as big as rail-road spikes shoved through his hands, and his feet.  Do you know how you die in crucifixion?  It’s not heat stroke or lack of water.  It’s not blood loss.  You drown.  That's right - drown.  You see, when you’re up on the cross you’re using your muscles to hold yourself up.  When you get too tired, you slump down, putting pressure on your lungs so you can’t breathe.  Eventually liquid gets into your lungs and you drown.  It’s not pleasant.  Not nice at all.  And so the most wonderful thing about this is that as bad as this death was, at any point, Jesus could have snapped his fingers and gotten down from that cross.  He didn’t want to die; no one does – especially not that way.  But Jesus chose to die this way, so that we could have eternal life.  He could have, at any point said, “I don’t want to go through this anymore.  I’m getting out of here.


Jesus CHOSE TO DIE this way. He had a choice. Jesus' endless and wonderful love shows through here too, that he would go through this torture for those who hated Him.

Sorry for the length of the post. Until next time all,

btw, this post may have been better put in the Spirituality vs Skepticism board. Your first post was innocuous enough, but you obviously had designs in bringing what you believe to be the calloussness of God to the fore. I sincerely hope I am not breaking the rules of this message board with this post. If i am, MOD's - feel free to take it out.
Fluffybunny
Being a firefighter, I risk my life regularly for people I have never even met before; it is part of the job.

Before that I was a combat medic in the Army...

So, yes I would tongue.gif
Zackery00
Well didn't that kinda come with the territory of being in that job??? I mean, isn't there an oath you take as a firefighter to always give your life in response to another person in danger???
JMPD1
no there isn't "an oath to give your life".

But, when a person chooses to become a firefighter, police officer, or a soldier, you know that you might just have to make that sacrafice.

I don't think anyone takes those jobs with the intent to 'die like a hero', I know I didn't. But it does come with the territory.



EDITTED: because I put an extra 'h' in firefighter. (for hero) grin2.gif
Fluffybunny
QUOTE(Zackery00 @ May 6 2005, 07:05 AM)
Well didn't that kinda come with the territory of being in that job???  I mean, isn't there an oath you take as a firefighter to always give your life in response to another person in danger???
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Not really, but in a way, yes. It is a choice that everyone makes; firefighter or not. The risk is just higher, and the likelihood of having to answer that question happens a lot more often than most people.

My personal opinion is that risking(or giving) your life in the service of others is about the most honorable thing one can do; but that is just my opinion, it certainly isn't for everyone.

Every fire department that I have been in has this on the wall of the entryway:

The FireFighters Prayer

When I am called to duty, God, wherever flame may rage,
Give me strength to save some life, whatever be its age.

Help me embrace a little child, before it is too late,
Or save an older person from, the horror of that fate.

Enable me to be alert and hear the weakest shout,
And quickly and efficiently, to put the fire out.

I want to fill my calling, and to give the best in me,
To guard my every neighbor, and protect his property.

And if according to my fate, I am to lose my life,
Please Bless with your protecting hand, my children
and my wife.

XSAS

It is a real pity we can't close on that note.
lightbeyondthedark
There is nothing you can do to show more love for someone then to sacrifice yourself for them...

XSAS

I wonder how many would do it when they were actually faced with it?
lightbeyondthedark
I would say probably about 95% of people would die for someone they really loved...
Stellar
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Obviously you are saying that God is evil (or at the least gutless) because he sacrificed his son instead of himself.


Im not saying anything. I didnt mean to say god is evil. I just wanted to see how people would answer a question, and then see if they'd stick with the answer they gave.

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But God loves us so much that he was willing to allow His son to suffer FOR US. To me, this does not show an evil, gutless God - rather a God of endless and wonderful love.


Its stuff like this that makes me question if people came to this conclusion themselves or if they were brainwashed. How does god sacrificing his son show he loves us? Would you sacrifice one son to save another? How is this showing love? Its showing fear. Sure, it doesnt show god as evil, it doesnt mean he doesnt love us if he exists... but if he sent his son to die instead of going himselves... that does, IMO, show exactly what kind of a being he is and how much love he has for his creation, his son, and particularily himself...

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And you make Jesus out to be an innocent child being sent to slaughter. Jesus had a choice - he didn't have to die. He certainly didn't want to die - "Abba, Father," he said, "everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will." (Mark 14:36)



Do you mean to say Jesus, although hoping it didnt have to end that way, committed suicide?

Either way, god, himself, could have saved his child and sacrificed himself, but he didnt... he did nothing to protect Jesus in the bible it seems... So much for being a good father IMO.

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Jesus CHOSE TO DIE this way.


And whats your point? Shouldnt the father do everything in his power to save his child? If your son wanted to risk his life for his sister, would you say "go ahead... go sacrifice yourself. Ill stay here and watch instead of replacing you.", would you?
JohnnyBoyC
I would give up my life in a second for someone I love.
BUT NOT MY DUMB EX!!! angry.gif
Paranoid Android
QUOTE(Bobbie_McRobbie @ May 6 2005, 11:51 PM)
I beg to differ.  In response, I point you to the triune nature of God.  God is three persons in one.  God the Father, God the Son, GOd the Holy Spirit, all seperate, all one.  God loves His son - "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!" (Matthew 17:5), and as all of you on this thread have attested, anyone who loves their child would do anything to protect them.  But God loves us so much that he was willing to allow His son to suffer FOR US.  To me, this does not show an evil, gutless God - rather a God of endless and wonderful love.
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The trinity. 3in1. I can't really explain it in words, but God and Jesus are completely different, yet exactly the same person. In one sense God was on that cross just as much as Jesus was....

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I just wanted to see how people would answer a question, and then see if they'd stick with the answer they gave.



And btw, you may have phrased the questions innocently enough to start, but it is clear to any Bible believing Christian (indeed most people on this forum) that you had an ulterior motive.

Question - would you die for someone you love? Answer - a resounding "YES"

question - would you send someone else (your own son, for example) to die for someone you love? Answer - A resounding "NO".

Mad Manfred
QUOTE(Bobbie_McRobbie @ May 7 2005, 06:35 PM)
And btw, you may have phrased the questions innocently enough to start, but it is clear to any Bible believing Christian (indeed most people on this forum) that you had an ulterior motive.
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Actually its more like half, possibly less. And its obvious he had an ulterior motive, though I really doubt its as sinister as you may think.

And I haven't changed my mind on the first question, I wouldn't die for someone I loved. Its not cowardice, I simply believe my life is more important (to me, not in comparison, all life is precious).

And for the second question (which I didn't answer) - Probably not. Really depended on who those two people were...there are different levels of love.
Stellar
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And btw, you may have phrased the questions innocently enough to start, but it is clear to any Bible believing Christian (indeed most people on this forum) that you had an ulterior motive.


So... you mean they lied when they answered my question, because they knew I had an ulterior motive?

Walken
I would for one person.

In the Bible it says that there is no love like the love of a man who would lay down his life for a friend.

...If this trap you're trying to lead them into(?) has something to do with skepticism, leave it out of this forum.
twpdyp
If you mean like taking a bullit for someone, yes I would. For my wife and children I would not hesitate to step in front of a gun to protect them.
star_child
I would, yes. After all, life would not be worth living if the person I loved the most was not in my life. But if they felt the same way, it would be the same thing from the start.

SnakeProphet
Stellar:
If I loved them, yes.

Another question:

Can you prove it?
XSAS

Can you prove what?
Stellar
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Can you prove it?


Sure I can. It'll take some circumstances I'm unwilling to set up though.
SnakeProphet


Sure I can. It'll take some circumstances I'm unwilling to set up though.


Ok.

blazer2004
i know im kinda late but hell yeah id die for a loved 1 no questions asked
nativechick1989
No. no.gif

Everyone that I truly loved are now deceased. sad.gif
hyperactive
QUOTE(lightbeyondthedark @ May 6 2005, 10:12 AM)
There is nothing you can do to show more love for someone then to sacrifice yourself for them...
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one thing you can do is live on. rolleyes.gif

social animals will act to protect the young to ensure survival of genetics, beyond that it is more or less every animal for him/herself.

there is nothing noble or heroic in self-sacrifice.

would i do it: no.
would i want another to do it for me: no.
Raptor
In short, yes. But lots of my family are quite a lot older than me, as im still quite young, so it would be a difficult decision to make. Let them die and for me to live for around another 60-70 years, or me die and them live for 20-30 years. dontgetit.gif

I suppose my family would rather die, than me, eh I dunno rolleyes.gif
brittish_gurl
Nope...... but yes....... i don't know right now.....I'm not in love anymore........
Fox Lupine
My answer is cmomplicated

I would die for a cause I believed Right
I would die for someone I cared about to the extent it could be called love
However, I don't believe in love. I think its an excuse for conflict. Weather its love of a person, money, or land.

Saying that, love is not even questioned. People KNOW it is real. Even the sceptics that don't believe in a soul
Love is a human word. If it does exist then whatever we know it as is a corrupted meaning
XSAS
QUOTE(T-Nemesis @ May 11 2005, 11:04 PM)
In short, yes. But lots of my family are quite a lot older than me, as im still quite young, so it would be a difficult decision to make. Let them die and for me to live for around another 60-70 years, or me die and them live for 20-30 years.  dontgetit.gif

I suppose my family would rather die, than me, eh I dunno  rolleyes.gif
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If you have to think about it then you probably woudn't.
Scar
Its more of a reaction,

I've put my neck on the line a few times for freinds/relitives.

I never thought about "Will I die" I just did it.

Its an instinct you either Freeze or act IMHO
XSAS

That's right I agree, most people would act before they put their brain into gear, most Bodyguards if they are honest would not die for their client but their training and reaction to an attack would put them in the firing line.
green_dude777
Also called "Fight or Flight" I believe...... and most people "flight".
Vallheru

Yes.

Since I love em, it's self-explanatory.
lightbeyondthedark
QUOTE(hyperactive @ May 11 2005, 02:42 PM)


there is nothing noble or heroic in self-sacrifice.

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See I would have to go ahead and disagree with you on that one...

To give your life so that someone you love may live on, I see nothing more noble then that... Well unless you give your life for someone you don't know... Both seem very noble to me...

LBD
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QUOTE(Stellar @ May 4 2005, 03:42 PM)
Yes or no... and why?
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yes, of course i would. Love is the fact that you would die for that person.
4dplane
^Love is sacrifice? No wonder we have so many horrible problems in the world.
RH2097
Yes, love is sacrifice. If not, the world would be even worse than it already is.
Amalgamut
exactly.
pallidin
I can only hope that I would have the courage to sacrifice my life for someone I love. And I really hope I am never placed in that situation.
For my own children I think I might do it without hesitation, as they are the extensions of my own life.
For anyone else, I think I might hesitate. Whether or not I perform the self-sacrifice, I think I would hesitate first.
RedX
pallidin, I agree thumbsup.gif
But I would have to say that even thou I wouldnt die for anyone but my kids(dont have any but to me they would be the only thing in this world that would be worth dieing for dou to the fact that haveing a child would be the greates thing you could do in your life) I would still put my own well being on the line for others. For example, I would try to push my Best Friend out of the way if someone was trying to shoot him or hit him with a car or something.

I wouldnt do these things with the intention of dieing, but to help another life.(I once risked getting hit by a car to save a baby cat that was following me, but a cat did save my life once disgust.gif ... but thats a story for another day wink2.gif)
marduk
I sacrificed myself for my God once but i wouldn't do it again and i wouldn't advise anyone to try it at home either
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4dplane
QUOTE(RH2097 @ May 14 2005, 06:12 PM)
Yes, love is sacrifice.  If not, the world would be even worse than it already is.
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QUOTE(Amalgamut @ May 15 2005, 02:25 PM)
exactly.
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You two see love as sacrifice - how can this possibly play into a peaceful existence here on planet Earth? If love is the greatest act to achieve and love equals sacrifice, then...
Mr Slayer
To answer the orifinal question:

Without blinking, to save my fiancée's life, I would definately sacrifice mine. Without "depending on the situation" or sometihng like that.
4dplane
As I wait for a response to my question – it’s just a question.
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