Did you bother to read the link I gave YOU? Of course not, when something disproves you, it's good to pretend the guy's a liar.

Again, Jesus is not God. They are part of a Trinity. You can't make up a trinity of three of the same thing. The three things make up the trinity. They are the same group, they make up the same thing. That is the Holy Trinity.

Jesus was the Son of God. Was Jesus God when he was on earth? No, he was the Son of God. Is he God now? Yes, basically he is. Because Jesus helps make up the Trinity. They all make up the same group. The same group makes up the samet thing.

Refer to my post on the thread "Trinitarian Mathematics" for more information.



You are misunderstanding this verse completly. (No offense.)

First of all this scripture is saying that "When you get tempted, it is not God tempting you, for God cannot be tempted, nor does he tempt, it is evil that tempts you."

Jesus was tempted, but he had no desire.

When you try and "tempt" someone you offer them a proposal. Whether or not they want it or not, you are still tempting them. That is what the scripture is saying in your original question.

"Jesus was "tempted" by Satan..."

Did Jesus embrace? Or even think about this temptation? No, he never did. Satan doesn't even bother with God in terms of tempting, because Satan is not that dumb. Satan tried to tempt the Son of God (Jesus) to see if he would embrace, and Jesus did not.

Notice the definition of "tempt."

tempt [tempt]
vt
1. incite desire: to cause desire or craving to arise in somebody
tempted by that chocolate cake

2. incite to transgression: to persuade or attempt to persuade somebody to do something considered wrong

3. invite: to invite or attract somebody
The sightseeing tour tempted us.

Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

So, Satan did in fact "tempt" but Jesus never even thought about it. Regardless, Satan still tried.






This scripture means that God will never be two faced. He will never show as someone he is not. God is 100% true, and has no evil intentions. He will not "shift in the shadows." He will not say he is something he is not.

You can ask just about any Bible scholar (but by all means, I am not one) and they will agree with my answer.




Jesus was God in the flesh. Flesh can die. God was saying he cannot die, simply because he cannot be killed in the spirit form. People's spirits don't die either when they go to heaven. Does this make them God as well? No, God said this simply to show that he can never be killed.




Jesus knew all that God knew except for this day. Thats why it says "The angels do not know, the Son does not know, only the Father knows." Do the math. Why would only the Father know? Again, like I have said over and over, had Jesus known, Satan would have known. For Jesus was God in the flesh, and Satan is the ruler of men. He would have known.




Just because he was sitting down, does not mean he did not retain his thoughts. He was simply tired.

"Jacob's well was there, and Jesus, tired as he was from the journey, sat down by the well." (John 4:6)





Yeah, sorry, I forgot he comes on a white horse. My bad.




The Trinty (as of right now) is complete. Jesus knows what God knows, as well both the holy spirit.

You are making an argument out of "Jesus not knowing the exact day, and time." Keep in mind, this is the ONLY thing Jesus did not know. The reason? I have already told you, as well as many others already.

I already replied to this, telling you that I've already read the articles on his website. It would help if you open your eye first.

Again, if you STILL cannot understand why, after all I have told you, then I am sorry. Maybe you need to read the Bible more.



No, but you throw out a comment from him, like it means a damn thing to me anyway.




Then what made you change your mind?




I assumed things at first...then I began to read, and see. I suggest you get back in the same grove you fell from. It's the only way, and you know this in your heart.



Yes, I do. But apparently you don't know what the Bible is. Its a history book, made by historians.





How do you know that the Council of Niceae even existed in the first place? Is it a fact? Regardless, I was referring to "truth."




Common knowledge? Ok, now you are the one who is talking about "common sense" which in turn would contradict yourself, hence you told me that common sense can't prove anything.

Yes I read the link you gave me. Please refer to my post about "already restating the facts (truth)" to understand what I mean.




Yes, thats what I said. But, even if this were true, (a compilation) does this mean that Christianity is not the truth?




Yes, I have.

Sorry Amalgamut, but from your comments like:


I have realized that it will be impossible to have a worthwhile discussion.
You are either very uneducated or just plain silly in the head. But that's just my opinion and I might be wrong. Anywho, enjoy the forum.

I realized this from the first post you made. This thread was dedicated to answering the so called "contradictions." in which I answered, twice.

You on the otherhand say that the argument is false to begin with, because it's all not true.

However, I embrace your argument and make good points, but you counter them by your questions. Then I answer those, and you still ask the same things. When in turn, you answer none of mine.



Many people say this yes. Thats their opinion, and thats fine. But don't expect me to "turn the other cheek" like others do and be bashed by your silly arguments, that contradict your way of thinking in the first place.



You too.

But have you ever wondered why? Do you think they are just making fun of you? I know I'm not. Is it possible that you just need some better education, or are you just not interested in that so much?

Maybe people just need to realize that Christianity is the truth. I see people presenting documents saying this religion was "borrowed" and such.

But the question is, how do they know that the "documents" or ideals weren't borrowed from Christianity in the first place. How can anyone know that the story of God and Jesus wasn't true?

For example. Its like you have a chain of events that originally happened, and then you have people who relate to these chain of events. Some have different stories. But then they say Christianity was borrowed from other religions.

Well, it may have in fact been "borrowed." But Christianity could have very well been the truth to begin with.

In relevance to the argument, lets say a huge group of people saw an event happen. A person may write a story about this. Their story may or may not have been correct. Let's say that their story was not completly factual, but many people think that it's the truth. Then you have someone that later comes around and takes parts of this story, and put's the pieces in the correct places. So, the second person could have put the story together in the way it actually happend. Now, you may chose which story you believe, but you cannot automatically write off the second story as bunk, just because it uses some parts of the original story, that the first person wrote. When in fact, the second story could have very well been the truth to begin with.

Take for instance the 911 ordeal. Some people think that it was the sole work of terrorists. However, some people think that the government was involved. Do you believe the first story? Or the second? The choice is yours, but you cannot simply write the second off as being wrong, just because the second story uses the some of the same facts as the first.

The same goes with any religion. Many religions have similarities on who the creator is/was. So, if religions do have relevance to a creator, how do you know which one is true? Surely they can't be all the truth, because they would contradict each other. So my point remains, you cannot simply write off Christianity as bunk, just because it may "borrow" some stories of another religion. To be a Christian, you must believe that God was the creator, and Jesus Christ was his son, and that he died for our sins. Thats what the difference is between this religion and any other.

Some of the stories are somewhat irrelvant, but the main thing you need to know is the things stated above.

God doesn't ask us to completly believe the entire Bible. The Bible is simply a story and explains to us what actually happend. Does he expect us to believe in every story? No, he asks us to believe that he is the Father, and that Jesus is the Son. It's as simple as that.

I agree with this point, but, that's not the only reason I'm writing it off. First of, I dont believe in religions, period. It seems absurd to think that the "true" religion came so late in human history. Secondly, there is simply no evidence of the historical Jesus, many things in the Bible are contradictory, some things have been added later by the Nicaean Council (yes, it actually existed). And on top of all that, there are numerous parallels which came from other religions. Only there, they have been used in a different context. There is also some plagiarism in the Bible, some quotes and texts are simply copy-paste. So a combination of all of this makes it quite clear, at least to me and I know to many others who seriously studied this subject, that Christianity is just another work of fiction.

I suggest that you would do some research also, so as to know where your religion comes from. It wouldnt hurt, at any rate. You will be able to better understand where the others are arguing from. For example, you being a Christian, I expect you to know some facts about the Nicaean Council, which apparently you dont. So it wouldn't help researching that. Also, you claim that Bible is a book of history, written by historians. I don't know how many history books you've read but I think you should at least know the difference between a religious book and a true history book.

Comments like these make me wonder just how well you know your religion. God does expect you to believe in the entire Bible. You can ask any Christian on the UM, and you will get the same answer. You can't pick and choose.

Hi all,

A lot has happened here in the couple of days since I've been off. I thought I'd make a few points that I've observed from these threads.

1. Existence of a trinity?

There's lots of passages to affirm the existence of a trinity in the Bible. The most obvious of these is Matthew 28:19 - "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"

Note the singular "name". Not names. There is only one name. THe name of the Father. The name of the Son. The name of the Holy Spirit. One name??? I think this shows the trinity clearly.

In the Old Testament, Genesis 1:26 - "Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness...".

I suppose you could dismiss this passage as an abberation or even a contradiction, but "us", I think, refers to the trinity.

2.


I can argue this from a couple of angles. Christianity as we (generally) know it today came through Jesus Christ. However, this event was only the culmination of God's plan of history. God has been slowly implementing his plan from the beginning of history. It hasn't just "arrived" fully formed 2000 years ago.
I could also argue that God lives outside of time. Time is irrelevant to God and thus this argument is flawed. OR i could even argue that you are imposing your own concept of time (within a limited field of experience: however old you are) onto this statement, thus invalidating it.


3. Amalgamut - congratulations on all your answers. There will always be people which disagree with any point you make, but I've found them comprehensive and informed.

How about giving one of us other Christians a chance to answer some of these questions. Stop hogging the forum

There are some more points, but I've forgotten what they are now....

Until next time all,

This is why its hard for you to see my points, and thats fine. But just because you say "I don't believe" doesn't mean its not true.


None? At all?


No, there isnt. If there are any, they are VERY weak and in no way contradict the meaning of the Bible.




Refer to my post above.


Again, this is your opinion and I respect that. However, just because many "others" have studied it and wrote it off as fiction means nothing. I have read that many people have written off the entire holocaust as fiction.




You are right, this is no simple history book, it is the word of God.



When I said that, I meant he doesn't expect us to believe in every story. When we go to heaven God isn't going to care if we disagree on how many animals went into the ark. Again, you missed my point. What God DOES expect from us, is that he is our personal Lord and savior, and that he sent his only son here to die for our sins. This is what differentiates a Christian and a Jew. God wants us to believe in his word, yes. He wants us to believe in the teachings of Jesus (the word of God.) However, the requirements to get into heaven are to believe in the Father, and the Son, and that his only son died for us to wash away our sins. And more than likely, any Christian who believes this, believes the word of God. But whether or not we believe in some random verse, like Leviticus 15:4 is irrelevant.

Do I believe in every story in the Bible? Yes, and many Christians do too.

Many Jews that read the Torah, can still get into heaven if they believe that Christ died for our sins.

Matter of fact, in the Bible it says that many Jews will accept Christ as their personal Lord and savior by simply not taking the mark of the beast, and accepting Him, in Revelation.

VERY good points. And thank you.

And just because you believe its true, doesn't make it so either

Nothing credible, not a single eye witness account outside of the Bible. Nothing that would historically support the fact that he existed.

You see what you want to see because you need to believe. I dont need to believe, I have nothing to gain from being an atheist.

I'm not saying that you should researched so that you wont believe in the Bible. Do it so that you know where other's arguments come from.

Then God must be a poor historian. Tell him to keep his day job.

Fair enough

I will grant you that some early beginnings of the trinity in NT do spring up. As for the OT, you have no argument for the trinity what so ever, which makes my point that the trinity was only created to make NT sound believable.

God has sure been laying some ground work in the OT, wasnt he?

You can argue all you want, Christianity appeared at a certain time in history, and it appeared for human. It didnt appear before humans existed, or after they will stop existing. It appeared at a certain point, after humanity has been on earth for a long time. Why did all the humans that lived before Christianity didn't get believe in it? Who is Christianity for? God can't understand the concept of time?

Especially the one about the Nicaean Council

"God can't understand the concept of time". Is that a statement, a question, or what? I made no claim that he does not understand time. Just that he lives outside of time and is not limited to the linear, one-directional aspect of time that we are.

Well, it has a question mark at the end... You say a possible reason why God didn't
"reveal" christianity earlier is bacause he lives ourside of time, that to him time is irrelevant. I think your argument is irrelevant because in the bible God has to deal with humans on a human time-scale over and over. Know what i mean?

And i think your argument is irrelevant because to me God does not need to live in this plane of existence in order to interact with it.

But I see where you're coming from.

You said,"Again, Jesus is not God...

Jesus was the Son of God. Was Jesus God when he was on earth? No, he was the Son of God. Is he God now? Yes, basically he is....Jesus was God in the flesh"

Yet earlier you said, "Jesus was God in the flesh. With this fleshy body he also encompassed a few earthly things, such as tempation. "

To end the confusion, I will add a few scriptures to show you that while on Earth, Jesus was in fact considered a God which is contrary to what you just wrote:

MATTHEW 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

JOHN 5:17-21 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. (18) Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

JOHN 10:30-33 I and {my} Father are one. (31) Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. (32) Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? (33) The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

JOHN 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

PHILIPPIANS 2:5-6 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: (6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

This proves that while on Earth, Jesus believed he was God and was called God by others. This was beofre his death on the cross.

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I will accept your interpretation of the God not changing scripture because it can be interpreted in many ways, and one or both of our interpretations can (or probably are) correct.

::Once again, I am not trying to prove or disprove christianity, I just like to converse with those who are christians and knowledgable in their religion about questions that I have::


Matt 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Jesus always said that he and his father were one...so who knew what....
No offense, but a God who has dominion over all things, including angels and fallen angels, would not worry about satan kowing the time of the end. as satan is God's adversary, it is to be considered an uneven match that was won from the beginnning. Maybe it was not satan that God wanted to keep that date from, but US. Humans, who for reason we already know did not need to know that date of the end. also, no man may know the day or the hour possibly because God intended for the end not to come in a single day, maybe the term day was used for a span of time like it was many other times in the bible ex. In that day...
Even Noah's apocalypse was not done in a single day...something to think about.


As far as the Jesus getting tired part, I was no longer referring to his getting tired, but presenting the inconsistency that God in Heaven knows all but God on Earth has a limited knowledge. even if noth are 2/3 of a whole, they must both pass the test as being the same god in a different setting, in saying that, if we know God to kow all and see all, Jesus must not be the exact same as God, which would contradict him saying that "I and the Father are one". They cannot be if he does not already have the knowledge that the Father has.

Also there was anotherthing that Jesus did not know. In Luke 8:43-5 he did not know who touched him in the crowd.

On another Point, Jesus himself made the claim that he is not equal with God:

John 14:28 (New International Version)
28"You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

I know this post was all over the place, but what do you think?

Agreed, but you you are the one that pointed it out that you don't believe. I was simlpy restating that comment you just made here.

Since in this case, its your word against mine, they cancel each other out.






That's because most of the eye witness accounts ARE the Bible. All of the teachings and records of him are in that book.







I see what is apparent, the scriptures aren't that hard to undestand. If people thought of the Bible just as a regular ole book, then people would see it makes sense. But they don't, they see is as spiritual, and they don't like that, and therefore they try and prove it wrong. So, they take scriptures, that mean the same thing, however being worded differently, and say they are contradictory. And if you have nothing to gain, why waste your time trying to prove that Christianity is false?

None of the writers in the bible are eye witnesses of Jesus.

People are supposed to see it as a regular ole book? How can you not see it as spiritual? It's based on God... I'm not just trying to prove Christianity wrong, I'm learning history in the process.

And i think your argument is irrelevant because to me God does need to base his schedule around us in one way or another.

But I see where you're coming from.

Yes, I know. He is the Son of God.






Satan tempted him, yes. He had TEMPTATION thrown at him. Did he consider it? NO. In the scripture it says "God cannot be tempted." That means he will never consider a proposal, Satan can still "try" and "tempt" but God will not be "tempted."

I think you are misunderstanding how the word "tempt" is being used here.




God is simply restating the facts saying "I cannot be tempted." Can people try and tempt him? Yes, they can. Will he embrace? of even consider this tempation? No, for "the Lord God cannot be tempted."

Again you are misunderstanding the use of the word "tempt" and "tempation."




Again, you fail to see what a trinity is. God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. They are all the same, but have different roles. Jesus was the Son of God. So Jesus is just as much a part of God, as you are to your mother.

However in this case, there is another party involved called the Holy Spirit.

Again, I give you this definition of "trinty."

trin·i·ty

trin·i·ty [trínnitee]
(plural trin·i·ties)
n
1. three: a group of three. Also called triunity
2. threeness: the condition of existing as three persons or things




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You could be very right. Had Jesus known when the people asked him, he would have had to tell them because Jesus cannot lie. There are many different theories as to why Jesus did not know the day. I just use mine because it seems to make the most sense. Another reason why as to I used my theory, is because if Satan had known, then he could have killed more of God's people before the rapture.

If Satan knew when this day was, he would have been ready. He could have killed more Christians. You can see these in the two scriptures in Revelation...

"After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be here-after. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne." (Revelation 4:1-2)

Keep in mind this is a parallel scripture with the one I am about to tell you. This specific scripture is the viewpoint from heaven. This next one, is the viewpoint from earth.

"And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars. And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold, a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne." (Revelation 12:1-5)

So, basically, Satan is unleashed on earth. Of course, what's the first thing that Satan is going to want to do? You got it! Kill the Christians! But this doesn't happen, because God takes them away. (The Rapture.)

Again, had Satan known the day of his release. He would have been more ready for his arrival. There is simply no point in "taking any chances" by letting him know when to get ready.










Again, the understanding of trinity must be known to fully encompass these scriptures.

3 things make up the 1 group. So, therefore, each person is basically the same group.

God is considered the main "group." Even though he is part of the group.

You're getting confused. God is a Trinity, like said above, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Even Judaism has the Holy Spirit, they called it, the 'Shekinah'. Jesus Hismelf said that one of the worst sins to commit would be to say somthing against the Holy Spirit.

Anyway, I'll go through the questions. Understand though I am a mixtue of Judaism and Chrisitianity (RC) and I take into account excluded books, all of which (except maybe one or two) are OT only.

1. No, God the Father, nor Jesus after taking on mortal form, are human. Jesus (Yeshua) was BORN human. His soul however, like the souls of angels that are born human (there are cases, in the Bible even) is NOT a human soul. His soul is part of God.

2. No, technically God doesn't tempt people. But He DOES authorize it. Satanail (or satan) is prince of accusing angels (there are in fact many, most fallen, and handed over to satan) whose JOB is to tempt, test and accuse humans. Initially Satan, being God's favourite angel and given the most power by God, making him the highest of all angels, had the power to also accuse, tempt, and test other angels. This is where the war in Heaven comes in in Revelation. That has already happened, many thousands of years ago. Satan, through his job as accusing angel, caused many angels to become 'fallen'. He was also the cause o teh temptation of they angels of Enoch. It was one of HIS minions that tempted them into being with women. They aren't innocent of it of course, they fell for it, like a drug dealer offering free 'candy', they took it, just as people do. Anyway, the Archangel Michael WAS involved with the angels of Enoch and it was him that was asked for the oath so that they 'fall' and become human. He gave it to this minion of satan, and there they fell taking that oath. At the end Michael (or Mihael in Hebrew) said 'who could not feel for these fallen angels' in so many words. After this event, the angels of Heaven, with Michael leading them decided they'd had enough of satanail's crap, and kicked him out solely as the accuser of humans (in Revelation, if you notice is says, by angels he accuses THEIR bretherin night and day before God - their bretherin or brothers are ANGELS), and says 'woe to the Earth, for the dragon has come down to you'. The original minions of satan, in the second Heaven turned angel hell or 'prisonhouse' fell when he did originally, when he refused to worship Adam. Adam, intitally, and Eve, before the apple which caused mortality, were created as a 'second angel'. hey because human after the apple, again a temptation of satan. After all this (an during th Enoch books, from which there was a transition) GOD Himself tested His angels.

So, yes, Jesus was tempted, and He told satan to piss off in so many words (like, Thou shalt not tempt the LORD).

However one must understand that even fallen angels (even those is th designated hells) retain their original job (in most cases), they don't just 'do nothing', therefore, it IS satan's job to test humanity, and originally, his own kind, angels, and it's a job designated by GOD. Even fallen angels, satan included are UNDER God. 'Rebellion' is the breaking of a law not breaking away from God. God Himself said 'There is no one at war with me'. That includes satan. Satan hates humanity as they were the reason for his fall, he's not stupid enough to hate God.

3. Anyone born human, be they human, animal, angel, or even a part of God Himself learns and grows the way any human being does. Part of being human is not knowing everything.

4. Jesus died on the cross as a human being, like I said above, his SOUL isn't human, God the FATHER didn't and cannot die, but Jesus, BORN human did die. And there was a reason for it. Before Jesus, unless you were a prophet EVERYONE went to Sheol or Hell. When Jesus died, He brought EVERYONE out of hell and Sheol, from Adan and Eve onward and gave furture generations the chance to enter Heaven. Chance, not divine right. Jesus, thereefore literally became the 'Doorway to Heaven' for humans. Animals were thn and still are going to their own Heavens because, like angels, they lack what humanity has. Free will. With free will comes consequences. And yes it IS written that animals have their OWN Heavens (there are 10 levels of Heaven, 10 levels of hell, plus Sheol - pergatory - they are ALL in space, the Heavens, quite literally) and that they have a soul, and when a human mistreats them the animal will accuse YOU on your death. They are innocent of the corruption of humanity, even if their way of living is harsh, they are made that way and are doing what they are meant to do.

5. Yes, the first prophet, Enoch, saw everything from the beginning until the end, and yes he talked about Jesus. Jesus, l;ike I explained above was born human, He knw what was going to happen when God obviously found the time right to tell Him. Or He DID know, and just didn' say anything. I don't want to speculate on that.

6. Again, He was born human, and of course he got tired. He lived like er, a normal human being. Shock horror he even drank wine, imagine that! Sorry, had to add that sarcasm there...lol God the FATHER is nor human, nor is th soul of Jesus, nor the Holy Spirit, so no, they don't get weary, tired, etc. Gid Himself said He is 'Self-Eternal', that should say something. Now to further explain exactly WHY God is NOT human, I will describe God for you, as per texts. God is both 'awesome and terrifying' and as said 'imagine how much more terrifying God is than the prince of this world (also another title for satan, as he accuses this world) of huge proprtions, whose light is blinding, and whose face emits sparks. God EATS fire, and if a mortal SAW God, they would die. His face is what man's likeness was made in, which is why you should NEVER, EVER say somthing against someone's face, as God takes it as an insult. It is written.

7. Jesus wasn't praying to Himself. God the Father was still up there, in the Heavens. Jesus is A PART OF GOD, and therefore Jesus was literally praying to His Father.

8. Don't quite get what you mean, Jesus and God the Father (Yahweh) ARE separate but the same, Jesus (Yeshua) sitting at the right hand of His father Yahweh. Imagine it like this. With cloning technology you can produce yourself as your own offspring. That is the way it is with God/Jesus/Holy Spirit they are 3 but the same, like identical triplets (thre's actually an old painting depicting them as identical 'triplets' i.e. all looking the same) but one being the Father, Son ad Holy Spirit, like I said above, imagine having yourself (or your twin) as your own offspring.

God tends to create angels in threes or twos also. In fact, the judement angels, the Irin (and) Qaddism are two sets of twin angels, one side being accusing angels (or 'prosecution') and the others in the 'defense' position. God, however, is still the judge, and that includes Jesus. Twn there however meaning plural very high order 'multiple births' are there were 7 ROWS of them and they all looked the same 'and there was no difference in their faces or their clothing' etc.

Main Entry: tempt
Pronunciation: 'tem(p)t
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French tempter, tenter, from Latin temptare, tentare to feel, try
1 : to entice to do wrong by promise of pleasure or gain
2 a obsolete : to make trial of : TEST b : to try presumptuously : PROVOKE c : to risk the dangers of
3 a : to induce to do something b : to cause to be strongly inclined <was tempted to call it quits>
synonym see LURE

Main Entry: temp·ta·tion
Pronunciation: tem(p)-'tA-sh&n
Function: noun
1 : the act of tempting or the state of being tempted especially to evil : ENTICEMENT
2 : something tempting : a cause or occasion of enticement

Is there another definition of 'tempt' that we are unaware of?