Ok, this is to all of the people who still believe 9/11 was the work of 19 Arabic Hijackers and an operation entirely masterminded by Osama Bin Laden, mainly because he hates our freedom’s and disagrees with American Liberalism. Despite all of their hard work, the United States Government simply could not see the attack coming.

When one considers all of the hardcore facts, there is no way this excuse holds even a grain of truth in it. The official story is impossible and simply does not stand up to scrutiny. Even more laughable is the excuse given by government officials that it was simply a "failure of intelligence" and the attack could not be averted. Politicians should not even form their mouths to even use an incompetence excuse. Warnings were received by the US by at least 18 other countries, and agents in the CIA, and the FBI were warned. The FAA got warnings too. In fact,

Prior Knowledge:

CIA had high-jacker details
Taliban warned the US of huge attack
FBI warned of plot to high-jack planes in 1995
FBI warned of Suspicious flight student last yearCIA ignorned warnings of Al-Queda
US knew of Suicide highjack threat in 1995
The airlift of evil
Threat of US attacks passed Taliban weeks before the attacks
US clamps secrecy on attacks before 911


It seems that there were so many warnings, that


"The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defence of incompetence." Micheal Meacher, Tony Blairs former environmental advisor until 2003. London Guardian

In addition to these Government officials and other people received individuals warnings as well. Mayor Willie Brown was warned by Condoleezza Rice not to fly on 911, author Salmon Rushdie was publicly banned from flying before 911, and John Ashcroft former Attorney General stopped flying commercially six months before 911. Even some people working inside of the towers got instant messages, telling them to evacuate the WTC.

We must ask ourselves, where did all this prior knowledge come from, and why was it all ignored? Is it possible for that this much information of this magnitude of importance to get tangled up in a beaurecratic web of telephone lines? The answer is NO, people in side of the Trade Towers got INSTANT MESSAGES telling them the buildings were going to be destroyed two hours before it happened. You’re going to tell me someone can get an INSTANT MESSAGE to someone inside the World Trade Center two hours before the attack, but no one can get the message to the President of the United States? Bullshit. Condoleezza Rice calls Mayor Willie Brown and tells HIM not to fly, BUT SHE CAN'T CALL THE PRESIDENT AND TELL HIM TO STOP THE ATTACK?!?!?

Sources:

Odigo Says Workers Were Warned of the Attack
San Francisco Chronicle - Mayor Willie Brown got Low-Key Warning about Air Travel
The Truth Seeker-Condi Lisa Rice Warned Willie Brown and Told him not to fly on 911
CBS News - Ashcroft Flying High


In addition there are over 600 smoking gun holes and unanswered questions in the official story of 911; I'm only going to scratch the surface, w/ some of the main ones.

First thing is the NORAD stand down order.

"The first hijacking was suspected at not later than 8.20am, and the last hijacked aircraft crashed in Pennsylvania at 10.06am. Not a single fighter plane was scrambled to investigate from the US Andrews airforce base, just 10 miles from Washington DC, until after the third plane had hit the Pentagon at 9.38 am. Why not? There were standard FAA intercept procedures for hijacked aircraft before 9/11. Between September 2000 and June 2001 the US military launched fighter aircraft on 67 occasions to chase suspicious aircraft" (AP, August 13 2002)
guardian, once again

NORAD completely stood down, this is a clear violation of FAA flight regulations, and NORAD could have probably stopped the attack, at least partially. The morning of 911 NORAD was training in a war game of flying hijacked aircrafts into buildings ON the Morning of 911. On the Morning of 911??!?! Yep, the drill stopped just 50 minutes before the Hi-Jacking began. No wonder there was no Military Response, NORAD was told that the planes being Hijacked were just part of a drill. That's why they stood down.

What are the chances of this happening? It's just a coincidence that they were running a war-game drill of the same monumental event to be documented in history books for centuries? Of course it’s possible, but very unlikely.


Yahoo News - Agency planned exercise on Sept. 11 built around a plane crashing into a building
USA Today - NORAD has drills to use jets as weapons

In addition, the list of the 19 hijackers and their picture identification was assembled and aired just hours after the attack. How do we jump to the accusations that 19 suspects are guilty of 3,000 American murders when most, if not all of the evidence, is twisted metal and degenerated ashes that used to be people? Actually by the time the hijackers had their mug shots aired on TV, all of the crime scenes had been destroyed. Buildings one and two collapsed, as well as the mysterious building seven collapsing on its own, the plane that hit the pentagon decentegrated, and flight 93 was likely shot down, hours later we miraculously post all of their mug shots on the news? Damn, we must be good.

So how exactly did the United States leap to their allegations of guilt?

A travel bag belonging to one of the 911 hijackers was found at the airport after the attacks, absolutely ruling beyond any doubt, that this was the work of Al-Queda.

Question: Why would a hijacker, planning to commit suicide, even BRING A BAG? Let alone pack it w/ incriminating evidence sure to unleash a fire storm of military hell on all of his fellow Afghani people? The bag contained enough evidences to precisely tie the perpetrators to the Taliban and Al-Queda justify the assault in Afghanistan.
(911 the Great Illusion)

Answer: this is MANUFACTURED EVIDENCE


Now BBC has began running stories that nine of these men have shown up as being still alive. 911 eleven Hijackers steal our planes to suicide attack us because were not doing what Allah says, and then they show up still being alive. So that means that at least five of the men on the hi-jackers list cannot be the same men who were on the plane. But the government has stuck to their official story on this, and no one in the mainstream media has ever brought this up, or challenged them on it. Many of the Hijackers are now appearing on television in their countries and professing their innocence. A lot of information like this has been circulating around other parts of the world, and it is likely the reason why America's image has dropped from negative to terrible. Most people in other countries know this is going on, but Americans are sleeping.


The Truth is unleashed in other parts of the world but it’s concealed from American eyes as a way to demonize Americans to the rest of the world, while American media demonizes the rest of the world (particularly Arabs) to America, this is a way of polarizing both side to inspire conflict on both sides.

Sources:


High JAck Suspects alive and well
High Jack Suspects Alive in Morroco


Bombs in the Towers




___ This next part is important, because it's hardcore vissual evidence of government involvement in 9/11 and is nearly impossible to deny.

Building seven, first of all, was the third building to collapse within the World Trade Center Complex. According to the government’s official story, building seven was destroyed from fire, along with buildings one and two.

Videos Show Building 7's 6.5 second symmetrical collapse



First of all it’s important to say that fire has never once brought a steel structure down. Out of 100 uncontrolled fires in the last 50 years NEVER has fire collapsed a steel building, only earthquakes and explosives have been able to flatten these architectural structures.

So, why is building seven so significant? It’s important because building seven collapsed without being struck by an airplane or anything else, almost as if it were the wind that knocked it over.

Several videos have been salvaged which show building seven's collapse and shocking evidence has surfaced from scrutiny.

CBS Broadcast of Buildinding Seven's fall - Dan Rather admits it looks like Explosives
Building Seven's Collapase from a mile away
Building Seven's Colapse from 1000 feet away, this is very obvious

You see, building seven DECENTEGRATED INTO RUBBLE in a vertical symmetrical fashion in 6.5 seconds. If building seven was taken down by an aircraft impact (even though it was not) it would have thrown back horizontally, transferring the energy away from the air plane impacts. And if it was fire that had brought it down, we would have seen the structure reduced into liquid metal, and the streets would be a river of flame. But this building simply fell straight to the ground and crumbled.

I need to explain something about controlled demolition. First of all, when buildings are demolished the explosives are placed in the central column, so the structure falls inwards and does not damage other surrounding buildings. So they only way the building can fall like this or fall period is through the use of explosives.

THE FEMA REPORT ON WORLD TRADE CENTER 7 COLLAPSE IS A TOTAL JOKE.



“Each of the following videos shows the entire visible portion of the building falling with a vertical precision otherwise seen only in controlled demolition. Moreover, they show that the collapse took only about 6.5 seconds from start to finish. That rate of fall is within a second of the time it would take an object to fall from the building's roof with no air resistance”





Good lookin to Dem Bruce Lee Stylez, and his MIGHTY nine eleven thread right here

Historical Comparison



----The Burning of the Reichstag



In 1933 Adolph Hitler wanted to seize dictotorial powers and turn Germany into a police state. So he set the massive governmental building on fire, that is known as the Reichstag (German Parliament) the blazing infernos sent the population into a state of petrified fear. Adolph Hitler and his party won by a landslide in the election just weeks later and later on was able to merge the Chancellor’s powers with that of the Presidents, and this is the origin of where his dictatorial power came from. Hitler also blamed the terrorist attack on the communists, and recived a pretext, or a reason, to attack them.


The real Pretext

Hitler’s conspiratorial tactic of burning the Reichstag to receive dictatorial power, and a pretext to attack his enemies is a method that is known as the Hegelian Dialectic, which is translated simply as problem, reaction, solution. The Hegelian Dialectic is a tactic that was developed by the 19th century German philosopher George Wilhelm Fredric Hegel. The way this works is, you create a crisis, the population is thrown into fear, and then you, the creator of the crisis, step in with a pre-organized solution, and pose as the savior. As soon as 911 occurred, literally while the smoke was still streaming from the building, politicians began targeting us with Doublethink approaches to get us to give up our freedom for security.

I don't want to digress too much, but this is important.

Doublethink is the practice of misrepresenting something bad as something good, such as pushing identity theft propaganda in order to get the people wanting a national ID card. This was the phrase coined in George Orwell's book 1984, which psychologically persuaded the population to relinquish there freedom and unto big brother simultaneously being happy about it. We see doublethink utilized daily by politicians.

The Hegelian Dialectic fused with the double think approach has given ruthless men an unbelievably effective tactic of power consolidation. But this time it's bigger,




PNAC(Project For a New American Centeury

The Project for a New American Century (PNAC) was founded by Dick Chenney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Lewis Libby and others in 2000. This is a pro-globalization neo-con think tank. On his website Dick Cheney lays out a Blueprint for America to invade many of it's neighbors and construct a "global command and control system" Cheney sites Syria, Libya, and North Korea as terrorist regimes, and uses their existence to justify invasions and restructuring there powers under a Pax America. It's strange, earlier in the year, Rumsfeld was selling Nuclear Reactors to North Korea. Now he's sitting in meetings at PNAC calling them a dangerous regime. HaHa, who made them more dangerous, Mr. Rumsfeld?
This document also mentions that public support would be very difficult to rally for these upcoming wars, and that a "Pearl Harbor Like Attack" would be very helpful. Now this is a public document, saying we need helpful Pearl Harbor attacks, that's motive, and practically admittance.

Sources:

PNAC offical site read the documents.
Meacher talks about PNAC too
Guardian UK - The Two Faces of Rumseld

Not only this, but


"the US and the UK, are running dangerously low on hydrocarbon energy supplies. And by 2010 the Muslim world will control as much as 60% of the worlds oil production, and 95% of the remaining exportable oil. "

Protecting oil supplies in a crisis
Taliban to Texas for Oil Talks
Bottom of the Barrel, the world is runnin out of oil, why do Politicans refuse to talk about it?
Threats of US to strike Taliban weeks before the attacks



Key Bono(Who Benefits?)

Three Corporations involved in the war on terror/The World effort. They are the
Carlyle Group, Unocal, and Halliburton,

Carlyle group: Bush and the Bin Laden family are BOTH investors in this company, that is headed almost exclusively by former government officals.


Unocal: Bush just hired the former CEO, I believe to his administration, others inside the camp are investors as well. This is the company building the pipeline through Afganistan.

Halliburton: I don't even half to say it.


Meacher for the last time,

"No serious attempt has ever been made to catch Bin Laden. In late September and early October 2001, leaders of Pakistan's two Islamist parties negotiated Bin Laden's extradition to Pakistan to stand trial for 9/11. However, a US official said, significantly, that "casting our objectives too narrowly" risked "a premature collapse of the international effort if by some lucky chance Mr Bin Laden was captured". The US chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, General Myers, went so far as to say that "the goal has never been to get Bin Laden" (AP, April 5 2002). The whistle blowing FBI agent Robert Wright told ABC News (December 19 2002) that FBI headquarters wanted no arrests. And in November 2001 the US air force complained it had had al-Qaida and Taliban leaders in its sights as many as 10 times over the previous six weeks, but had been unable to attack because they did not receive permission quickly enough (Time Magazine, May 13 2002). None of this assembled evidence, all of which comes from sources already in the public domain, is compatible with the idea of a real, determined war on terrorism"
Micheal Meacher

The War on terror is not the war on terror, it's putting the PNAC agenda into action.

Not only have they blatantly avoided chances to catch Bin Laden, but many reporters have written articles about top government officials holding the investigation in the dark, delaying them, and in some cases even protecting the terrorists. I'd post the actual document but I'm out of picture slots so you have to settle for the article, or research the rest yourself.

Bush restricts 911 probesTop Taladan leader freed by US
911 study hindered
Bush trying to hide 911 information
911 documents to sensitive for realse
Bush discourages 911 investagations
Times of India - Bush took FBI agents off the Trail of Bin Ladens
Guardian UK - Agent Blasts FBI over 11 Sept 'cover up'


Goes on and on


ILLUMINATI NEW WORLD ORDER, THE CARD GAME

Not only has PNAC directly stated that they want "helpful Pearl Harbor Attacks" on their website, but a card game entitled Illuminati New World Order, surfaced in 1995, which discribed the events of 911 with a shocking level of acuracy. The game INWO contained cards that said the words "Terrorist Nuke" at the top with an illustration of the Twin Towers being destroyed clearly shows tower one being demolished first.



-This amazingly means, that this card predicted almost exacty what what happened in New York City, six years before the actual event. It also identifies the villians as "Terrorist" at the top, which was not a term used nearly as much before 911, I don't know about the nuke part, although explosives were definetly in use on September 11th.

-The explosion on the card is very close to the actual planes entry point.

-Another interesting thing to note, is the illuminati pyramid to the left of tower two.



This card is chilling. We know that the plane or the missile or whatever hit the pentagon, peirce through several walls puncturneing holes through several of the steel reinforced concrecte walls at the Pentagon, and actually exploded somwhere in the middle, Although it took out a wing, the rest of the pentagon was unscathed.

Here is a flash of the Pentagon which accurately shows the damage very simmilar to this card.

http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryho...ntagon.php#Main

Funny how they got both of these right and didn't make any mistakes six years before the attack, it seem someone had some advanced knowledge of it.

On March 1st 1990 the Secret Service and Austin Police raided Steve Jackson, the maker of the game's, office and confiscated four of his computers. Steve JAckson games fought back in court, but nearly suffered bankrupcy in the process. The charges were so bogues on the aff the judge awarded $50,000 as well as attornies fees to SJG. It's strange the secret service would bother the manufactuer of a role play game, perhaps it was to stop them from realeaseing Illuminati New World Order.

Here is the website of the game maker.
http://www.sjgames.com/inwo/

And props to the Cutting Edge for bringing this to my attention, most of what I have articulated is paraphrased from their article on INWO. Although theirs gets a bit to weird for me, here is the original article and props to them.


http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1753.cfm

The really scary thing is,


Home Land security = Police State Mechanism

New Laws in the Works, are...

Patriot Act: Old school now, Police and government officials do not need warrants to enter homes now, and can seize anything in your house, and not tell you they were there for 60 days. Also ambiguous language could allow for secret juryless trials and even executions for supposed "Terrorists". The definition of a terrorist as shown in the Patriot Act is one who commits "Any act that endangers human life, IN VIOLATION WITH ANY FEDERAL OR STATE LAW" So Jay walkers and pot dealers are terroist too. The Patriot Act has been used on many "domestic terrorists" for crimes such as being a gang member to writing a story here are some examples.

Student Arrested For Terroristic Threatening Says Incident A Misunderstanding, (HE gets arrested for writing a story byt doesen't say that in the head lines)

NY Post - N.Y. Using Terrorism Law To Prosecute Street Gang



National ID cards, which contain name, address the usual things, but also a finger and a retinal print, also rumors are circulating about a possible tracking chip inside of them.

We have the National all Prescriptions reporting act, which makes all of your medical drug information accessible by Federal agencies, all of them in fact since their all allowed sharing information now.

And the possible enactment of mandatory psychological testing for children and prescribing drugs without the parents consent.
There are also talks of extending the program to the entire population. (Note: The Forced psychological testing bill has already been passed, search “new freedom initiative” for more info)

AND the mother of them all of course, the Patriot Act II, while the first Patriot Act is just a destruction first, third, fourth and fifth amendments, Patriot Act II is a carbon copy of the powers that Hitler and Julius Caesar gave themselves
Patriot Act II creates an expanded definition for domestic terrorism, And it allows any terrorism act to result in the death penalty, allows federal access to your bank, educational, and financial records, and makes conspiracy to commit terror a crime with out endangering any life what so ever. And amazingly makes information gathering illegal, in fact this post right here would go under the heading of "Info Terrorism"

Patriot act II is enormously unpopular, and received massive amounts of bad press, so it's being passed in smaller increments, 10% of it has already been passed as HR2417, which allows for the pulling of all Financial and Medical transcripts.

"Strengthening Patriot Act I is code for passing Patriot Act 2."
There trying to do this now.


Summary:


911 was such a cataclysmic event, it galvanized both the idiots and the intellectuals of America into a flag waving frenzy for nearly five years. 911 has become a never ending excuse to fight any war over seas, and implement any authoritarian rule domestically. Politicians were so quick to exploit this event, jumping in there tanks and battle suits while rushing 1000 page bills through the Senate and House. One has to wonder, why knee jerk reaction of this attack was to shift into throwing doublethink deception at the people, telling them to give up freedom for liberty before the smoke had yet to even clear from the air.

Giving up freedom for Liberty is a False Paradigm. No Liberty = Tyranny.

As the Roman judges used to say when a crime was committed, “key bono?”, or who benefits? The globalists who masterminded this attack want authoritarian control of America, invasion into uncontrolled Arab states, and overall a world climate that is so dangerous and unstable, the people will beg them for a one world government. A government ruled by them. Order out of chaos.

I've developed quite a case here, and I think my arguments are supported extremely well, even without all of my information on the towers; this is very strong evidence that we are being lied too, almost on a daily basis. Most of this literally proves the official story is a fraud and there's a lot of things I chose not to talk about, like 100s of Al-Queda and Taliban being flown out after 911, Insider trading right before 911, or Bush pulling FBI agents off of the Trail of the Bin Laden right before 911 (Edit: I did touch on that) and signing documents to protect them. However I've come to the conclusion that in this instance, the problem is there is actually TOO MUCH evidence here, so I won't even bother with the links for my last claims.

If you think I've made a compelling case, than I urge you learn more about this, because if I'm even remotely correct, and this New World Order aka the "Global Union" is created, by the same creatures who carried out this attack, I don't think your going to want to live under the tyranny grids they've constructed for you. I'm not charging the government with carrying this out, but these Rogue elements with tentacles into our government, who live in families who are worth five times as much as our countries annual budget. If you look more into this, I know you'll see that what I'm saying is true, this is what has happened with me. So please spread this thread around as much as you can, watch some of these movies I post at the bottom, PLEASE look into this more. I know when you find out what I'm saying is real, you'll fight it with even more compassion.

In the past only small pockets of people have had information on this subject, which served to cloak events in a protective secrecy. But lately a plethora of new information has been consolidated, creating an incredibly chaotic environment for the globalist where the risk of mass exposure is becoming very real. So once you learn, please spread this information on to others.

This is an information war, against elites with 90% of the wealth trying to control the political and financial systems to control mankind, and doing it for there own selfish desires. And information of this type is so much more powerful than any gun or grenade or tank or anything. Every single word we spew of resistance is a bullet, discharged from a chamber and sent into the heart of the New World Order Demon, and it will take a lot to kill it, but humanity will prevail.

911 Documentaries


Martial Law: 911 Rise of the Police State (The best damn 911 movie ever made)
Windows Media Player:

Broadband:

http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml.wmv

Dial up:

http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml56k.wmv

Stream:

Broadband:

http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml.wmx

Dial up:

http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml56k.wmx

911- The Road To Tyranny

Paineful Deceptions
Painful Deceptions DVD Part 1 (pentagon)
Painful Deceptions DVD Part 2 (building 7 and the two towers)
Painful Deceptions DVD Part 3 (media propaganda)

The Masters of terror
2:00:09
http://thewebfairy.com/video/collected/Mas...ror_128KBps.wmv

911 Truth and Lies 4 parts

http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/files/...ndLiesPart1.wmv
http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/files/...ndLiesPart2.wmv
http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/files/...ndLiesPart3.wmv
http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/files/...ndLiesPart4.wmv

Michael Parenti-Terrorism, Globalism and Conspiracy
http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti1.wmv
http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti2.wmv
http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti3.wmv
http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti4.wmv
http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti5.wmv

Illuminazi 9-11
http://www.nwowatcher.com/downloads/illuminazi.wmv

The Microchip
http://www.nwowatcher.com/downloads/The%20Microchip.wmv

Free ebooks

The Secret Rituals of the O.T.O. (Illuminati, Templars, Freemasons, etc.).pdf
Order Out of Chaos - Paul Joseph Watson
A Chronological History of the New World Order - Denis Cuddy
Conspiracy ebook - The New World Order - Milton William Cooper
Global Tyranny Step by Step - By WIlliam F. Jasper


A sh** load more Documentaries and ebooks can be found here

Once more, into the breech...

What do you mean by that?

You know what they say: hell is repetition.

maybe so, but even though I have read most of it all before, I find that the post is well organised with lots of links to support was is being said.
I had never seen the movie before.

Thanks for the post

Welcome, subzero- don't worry about it - You'll find lots of members (like myself) who don't buy into the official bs story they still flog in the mainstream media. The majority of the material you've posted has been posted before (but not all of it) so you might get a flame or two from members who still buy all or most of the official story.
But it's a good thing to re-post - it obviously needs to be shown again and again until more people clue in!
Good post and links!

All things considered, people will never know the "truth" until Bush gets a friggin life!

Hey, I'm and independant. I insult all sides.

Dirty Democrats and Redneck Republicans!

3 really great rock albums
1-Queen- Innuendo
2-Black Sabbath-Paranoid
3-Aerosmith-Get a grip

great post sub --i agree 100% --keep up the good work --the pentagon being attacked is another red flag as well as silversteins purchase and re-insurance just weeks prior to 9/11-- the pools of molten steel that took 5 weeks to cool and the curiosity of bin laden passing up the chance to attack "indian point" not once but twice are also great examples of proof discrediting the official story

hi subzero! welcome to UM! im TaintedDoughnuts, the forum idiot.

i agree with you 100%. i made a post with some other links in a different thread. my only question is: whats the government trying to cover up?

Dude, many people believed this, but not like you believe it

Nice work dude. Kepp unmasking these things for us!

First off well put together post I dont know if the governement was as stupid as to actually plant bombs, but its very possible they knew the attack was coming and turned a blind eye to let it happen in order to wage the "GWOT" which benifits not only the companies mention above but many many others.. After all, they did the same thing with allowing the japanese fleet to level pearl harbor to enter WWII.. They needed to get the American people pissed beyond belief to support the war and future globalization..

Good Job man

But I bet a lot of people who still believe the official story will just skim throughout it and ignore it. Like people said, most of this has been shown before, and we all know, still needs to be shown. Very well put together post. Mad props to you. Although as you know this is just a tip of the iceberg. I'm glad you brought up Reichstag. I think its very important in this case.

A question needs to be asked. WHO BENEFITED FROM THIS CRIME?


Many of us will agree that the patriot's act I and II were direct result of this event.

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety!" Benjamin Franklin

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order." David Rockefeller

Great post,lots of info nicely put together.
Its so obvious theres more to this story that we're being told,just look at building 7!!!
It looks like one big False Flag to me.

Hey Sub, I just wanted to add my applause for your post. Very good, very well covered! Sometimes I don't understand why more people can't just wake up and smell the coffee, so to speak, regarding the truth of what our government is doing. But did you see the broadcast over the weekend, (May 7) on C-Span of David Ray Griffith's talk in Wisconsin? It was recorded back in April and gave facts and examples such as you did in your post. It was very eye-opening and coming from a respected citizen should get quite a lot of attention. Of course, the mainstream media is still not covering it. I've seen nothing on local news or in the newspapers. As far as I know David Ray Griffith is still alive also! He really stepped out on a limb. I'm looking for a link I can add to take people to the info about this broadcast in case they didn't hear about it. Keep up the good work. Sometimes I feel isolated here in Oklahoma, not knowing anyone else around here who feels the way I do. I know there has to be others, but I haven't met them. Thanks again
http://www.911truth.org/

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?ChannelID=89

Wow, thanks for all the positivity regarding this. I've just been trying to bring this to the attention of as many other people as I can, and even though a lot of people will not even bother reading it, it's worth it for the new minds that wake up to it, because all informational paths eventually multiply, And I think the amount of people doing research on these types of things has dramatically increased.
And this is a good thing.


I've got a lot of free movies in here too including Martial Law, and 911: The Road to Tyranny. So if anyone wants to spread this around some more, hit my aim up at SubZeroLyrics, and I''ll send you, document version of it u can post anywhere on the net.

God Bless,




Well we know how horrible the Muslim guys were at piloting air crafts, so it would make a lot more sense to fly those planes by remotecontrol and keep the operation from getting messed up, so they had to blow up towers one and two to destroy any incriminateing wreckage or evidence of remote controls. And blew up building seven because that's where the towers were flown from, as well as where bombs were likely detonated from.

The NWO knows that it can control the media and act like asking them to explain why the blew up building seven is a conspiracy theory. There's is hardly any other explanation other than exlpsives that would allow this to happen in the manner it did.




Well thank you, I'm glad my post gave u that pick me up,

and yes David Ray Griffin is chargeing government involvement in the 911 attacks, this can only be a bad thing for the nwo.

But Ray Griffin is chargeing the Bush Asministration in carrying out the attacks, when they only played a small part in them. This would be a way for the nwo to hang Bush for the attacks and side step any attacks to themselves, letting the real murderers right back out in the open, But that's why education on this level has to follow up. I'll keep on posting my writings,

Oh, and here's David Ray Griffin On C-span if you'd like to make a thread or something.



http://mp3.rbnlive.com/download/griffin_madison_full_25.wmv

Spot on - BushCo. are just the puppet show while the puppeteers are well behind the global spotlight and stage. The events were set in place by the financial elite who have set up many 'buffers' so their hands appear bloodless. Many pawns are put in the front to take the hit for their immediate bosses. If the bosses of the frontline pawns are implicated, they will then take the hit so THEIR bosses remain to look clean. And on and on up the heirarchy. In this pyramid of power, it is possible for just one person at the top to be the only one who knows all and initiates all. Where is Bush in this organization - he has probably been squidged into a middle to upper management level - like most Presidents are!!

The government would be trying to cover up the fact that they are making a New World Order. The plan is what hitler had. Scare the population so much, that they beg for the protection of the Government and give up their freedoms. The reason it is taking so long, is that the United States of America represents the biggest armed malitia in the world. We can still fight back.. If we give up our right to bare arms, you will see the wheels in motion turn much faster.

well said

break out the life boats,it's getting deep here!

there are many countries that could resist the nwo -in switzerland not only are you allowed to own guns but the govt gives you more for free and demands that you hide them from "them"--returning unarmed to conduct inspections to search for the guns they gave you-if they find them you are fined a small fee! i dont think there will be any marches into switzerland any time soon

very nice, It could happen in America if guns were snatched though.

if you tried to take the right to have guns here in the states away,you'd start another civil war!

Yea, that's one of the last things really holding the nwo back. They've been pushing for a fire-arm registration registration system, which may be assissted by the national ID card database. But that puts a number of years in are hour glass, meanwhile the nwo is still well under way, and has been that way for some time.

I have thought so for some time as well. But I'm more and more beginning to think that the NWO will enslave the people economically first and foremost. The US is so deep in debt, they could pull the plug whenever they please and cause a depression that would make the 1930's Great Depression look like a picnic. If they stop printing currency, the US will plunge deeper than the Grand Canyon. That is why, imo, that the number one way to stop the NWO is to return the printing of money to Congress, as it was dictated in the Constitution. Nothing else will work. It must be done quickly and uniformly across the country, as that is what the NWO fears the most, and they will try to crash the economy and start war and terrorism within the US as distractions to possible policy change.

Firearms will be desperately traded for food if this large scale crash is ever put into motion. Or used to steal and kill for food in a nationwide state of "every man for himself" anarchy.

It will take me a day reading your topic Subzero! I mean, this is good shitte. And brave. GOOD JOB!

Good looks hommie


Read this sh**, AND FIGHT THE SLAVE SYSTEM!



Peace n love,

yeah i gotta agree with a lot of the comments allready here
good job putting it all together like that.
i'm not sure i can believe everything there, but it makes ya think.
the one thing i do wonder about, is the mysterious whereabouts of osama bin ladan, and the fact that he hasn't been caught yet.
i don't think he ever will be caught, an agreement they made with him at some point perhaps???
or bushco can use him in the future, this is very farfetched, but they could say, according to their intelligence(makes me laugh when i use that word with the bush admin) osama is hiding in north korea and they have to go in and get him.
any nation could be the target, bush wants in, tell the people osama is there and roll on in, and of course, just miss capturing him.

this all is very dodgey.

time is short for the bush crime family-i suspect there will be another attack in early june-they need a "major" distraction!!! --a respected journal steps into the 9/11 truth movement!--The Institute for Psychohistory
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DID BUSH KNOW ABOUT 9/11 IN ADVANCE?
Get the current Special Issue of The Journal of Psychohistory on what Bush knew about 9/11 in advance, with explosive evidence from seven new books showing how the FAA was told to ignore all the appeals from air controllers to intercept the hijacked planes, how audio tapes and photos were destroyed that pointed to collusion by the Bush team, how Rumsfeld has said 9/11 was "a blessing in disguise", and much more.
http://www.psychohistory.com/

Respected Scholarly Journal Exposes 911
The day has come! A respected scholarly journal has finally decided to blow open the 9/11 Scandal. In the current issue of The Journal of Psychohistory you'll discover facts like these that show who caused 9/11:

1. How Cheney set up his own Command Center the day before 9/11and was controlling hijacking drills that morning.
2. How these hijacking drills that drew Air Force jets away were called 'just a coincidence' by Bush.
3. How the Air Force was told to 'stand down' and not to intercept the terrorist planes though they had scrambled automaticlaly the previous 67 times.
4. How seismographs show it was a massive explosion in the basement of the WTC that brought the buildings down.
5. How cameras show the WTC towers were actually detonated,blowing outward, not just collapsing.
6. How photos show only a 13-foot hole in the Pentagon through which the 124-foot wide plane supposedly crashed.
7. How several Pentagon employees said they 'saw No Evidence of any debris of a plane' after the crash.
8. How the FBI collected all the surveillance photographs within minutes after the crash and won't release them.
9. How some 9/11 families are suing Bush for $7 billion citing testimony from those who helped cause the crashes.
10. How Rumsfeld said the terrorist crashes were 'a blessing in disguise.'

My friends, those of us in the 9/11 Truth Movement already know these things.

But that the Journal of Psychohistory would see fit to publish these facts is astounding and unprecedented.
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3108

B....S...

well put together.

it has always amazed me how some americans do not see what the patriot acts really are (and when i have debated them they always try to throw off the topic by turning to the not-withstanding clause here in canada)

Simply brilliant counter-arguments! Remarkable for their wealth of information and masterful use of the English language. I'm definitely sensing we have a couple of professional debate champion ringers here at UM, hiding their credentials and toying with their overmatched counterparts!! Come on, now, 'fess up, you two scoundrels!!

Quoting got a little screwy, my replies are in bold

[quote=Sub-Zer0,May 7 2005, 12:11 PM]
Ok, this is to all of the people who still believe 9/11 was the work of 19 Arabic Hijackers and an operation entirely masterminded by Osama Bin Laden, mainly because he hates our freedom’s and disagrees with American Liberalism. Despite all of their hard work, the United States Government simply could not see the attack coming.

When one considers all of the hardcore facts, there is no way this excuse holds even a grain of truth in it. The official story is impossible and simply does not stand up to scrutiny. Even more laughable is the excuse given by government officials that it was simply a "failure of intelligence" and the attack could not be averted. Politicians should not even form their mouths to even use an incompetence excuse. Warnings were received by the US by at least 18 other countries, and agents in the CIA, and the FBI were warned. The FAA got warnings too. In fact,
[/quote]

Do you work in the intel community? because I do and I find that the events described above are indeed *very* plausible.

[quote=Sub-Zer0,May 7 2005, 12:11 PM]
Prior Knowledge:

CIA had high-jacker details
Taliban warned the US of huge attack
FBI warned of plot to high-jack planes in 1995
FBI warned of Suspicious flight student last yearCIA ignorned warnings of Al-Queda
US knew of Suicide highjack threat in 1995
The airlift of evil
Threat of US attacks passed Taliban weeks before the attacks
US clamps secrecy on attacks before 911[/quote]

Aside from two links from US sources talking about events 6 years prior to 9-11, the rest are from the UK. I have a hard time believing that a reporter in another country knows more about what's going on in the US than we do.


[quote=Sub-Zer0,May 7 2005, 12:11 PM]It seems that there were so many warnings, that

"The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defence of incompetence." Micheal Meacher, Tony Blairs former environmental advisor until 2003. London Guardian[/quote]

Tony Blair was under his own personal scrutiny at the time, due to getting the UK involved in the WOT that we started. I think it's more likely that this was nothing more than political jockeying, it happens. Probably nothing more than "oh look, he's a bad bad man, elect me next time!"

[quote=Sub-Zer0,May 7 2005, 12:11 PM]In addition to these Government officials and other people received individuals warnings as well. Mayor Willie Brown was warned by Condoleezza Rice not to fly on 911, author Salmon Rushdie was publicly banned from flying before 911, and John Ashcroft former Attorney General stopped flying commercially six months before 911. Even some people working inside of the towers got instant messages, telling them to evacuate the WTC.

We must ask ourselves, where did all this prior knowledge come from, and why was it all ignored? Is it possible for that this much information of this magnitude of importance to get tangled up in a beaurecratic web of telephone lines? The answer is NO, people in side of the Trade Towers got INSTANT MESSAGES telling them the buildings were going to be destroyed two hours before it happened. You’re going to tell me someone can get an INSTANT MESSAGE to someone inside the World Trade Center two hours before the attack, but no one can get the message to the President of the United States? Bullshit. Condoleezza Rice calls Mayor Willie Brown and tells HIM not to fly, BUT SHE CAN'T CALL THE PRESIDENT AND TELL HIM TO STOP THE ATTACK?!?!?

Sources:

Odigo Says Workers Were Warned of the Attack
San Francisco Chronicle - Mayor Willie Brown got Low-Key Warning about Air Travel
The Truth Seeker-Condi Lisa Rice Warned Willie Brown and Told him not to fly on 911
CBS News - Ashcroft Flying High[/quote]

I'd like to see a link from a reputable news source about instant messaging people in the WTC, the only thing I can find is about two Odigo employees that were notified with IM's - but they were working in Isreal, and the messages did not mention the WTC specifically. Links from conspiracy theory sites are just that - theory. If Ashcroft was flying privately to avoid the WTC attacks, then why do it 6 months in advance?

[quote=Sub-Zer0,May 7 2005, 12:11 PM]In addition there are over 600 smoking gun holes and unanswered questions in the official story of 911; I'm only going to scratch the surface, w/ some of the main ones.

First thing is the NORAD stand down order.

"The first hijacking was suspected at not later than 8.20am, and the last hijacked aircraft crashed in Pennsylvania at 10.06am. Not a single fighter plane was scrambled to investigate from the US Andrews airforce base, just 10 miles from Washington DC, until after the third plane had hit the Pentagon at 9.38 am. Why not? There were standard FAA intercept procedures for hijacked aircraft before 9/11. Between September 2000 and June 2001 the US military launched fighter aircraft on 67 occasions to chase suspicious aircraft" (AP, August 13 2002)
guardian, once again

NORAD completely stood down, this is a clear violation of FAA flight regulations, and NORAD could have probably stopped the attack, at least partially. The morning of 911 NORAD was training in a war game of flying hijacked aircrafts into buildings ON the Morning of 911. On the Morning of 911??!?! Yep, the drill stopped just 50 minutes before the Hi-Jacking began. No wonder there was no Military Response, NORAD was told that the planes being Hijacked were just part of a drill. That's why they stood down.

What are the chances of this happening? It's just a coincidence that they were running a war-game drill of the same monumental event to be documented in history books for centuries? Of course it’s possible, but very unlikely.


Yahoo News - Agency planned exercise on Sept. 11 built around a plane crashing into a building
USA Today - NORAD has drills to use jets as weapons[quote]

your own links:
NORAD was conducting those excercises for *years* prior to 9-11. And the drill that you mention consisted of a small corporate jet having a mechanical failure and crashing into one of the agencies towers... no hijacking involved. As far as scrambling jets, we didn't have the foresight to see the possibility of an American plane getting hijacked in US airspace and then being used as a weapon. This was something completely unexpected, historically hijackers request prisoner releases, political actions, etc. and end up landing eventually. This was unprecedented.

[quote=Sub-Zer0,May 7 2005, 12:11 PM]In addition, the list of the 19 hijackers and their picture identification was assembled and aired just hours after the attack. How do we jump to the accusations that 19 suspects are guilty of 3,000 American murders when most, if not all of the evidence, is twisted metal and degenerated ashes that used to be people? Actually by the time the hijackers had their mug shots aired on TV, all of the crime scenes had been destroyed. Buildings one and two collapsed, as well as the mysterious building seven collapsing on its own, the plane that hit the pentagon decentegrated, and flight 93 was likely shot down, hours later we miraculously post all of their mug shots on the news? Damn, we must be good.

So how exactly did the United States leap to their allegations of guilt?

A travel bag belonging to one of the 911 hijackers was found at the airport after the attacks, absolutely ruling beyond any doubt, that this was the work of Al-Queda.

Question: Why would a hijacker, planning to commit suicide, even BRING A BAG? Let alone pack it w/ incriminating evidence sure to unleash a fire storm of military hell on all of his fellow Afghani people? The bag contained enough evidences to precisely tie the perpetrators to the Taliban and Al-Queda justify the assault in Afghanistan.
(911 the Great Illusion)

Answer: this is MANUFACTURED EVIDENCE[/quote]

the bag? Maybe to hold the Quran and toiletries? Radical Muslims don't die dirty, and never without a copy of their holy book.


[quote=Sub-Zer0,May 7 2005, 12:11 PM]Now BBC has began running stories that many of these men have shown up as being still alive. 911 eleven Hijackers steal our planes to suicide attack us because were not doing what Allah says, and then they show up still being alive. So that means that at least five of the men on the hi-jackers list cannot be the same men who were on the plane. But the government has stuck to their official story on this, and no one in the mainstream media has ever brought this up, or challenged them on it. Many of the Hijackers are now appearing on television in their countries and professing their innocence. A lot of information like this has been circulating around other parts of the world, and it is likely the reason why America's image has dropped from negative to terrible. Most people in other countries know this is going on, but Americans are sleeping.


The Truth is unleashed in other parts of the world but it’s concealed from American eyes as a way to demonize Americans to the rest of the world, while American media demonizes the rest of the world (particularly Arabs) to America, this is a way of polarizing both side to inspire conflict on both sides.

Sources:


High JAck Suspects alive and well
High Jack Suspects Alive in Morroco[/quote]

Concealed? Here's some info from CNN (hardly concealed from american eyes): He admitted befriending Mohamed Atma. He also admitted to cosigning Atma's last will and testament. Even German law enforcement are convinced he was deeply rooted to a terrorist cell in Hamburg, but cannot prove he had knowledge of 911 prior to the attack - hence he goes free, whether or not he is truly innocent is open for debate.

Prosecutor's hit by lack of evidence


[quote=Sub-Zer0,May 7 2005, 12:11 PM] Bombs in the Towers

___ This next part is important, because it's hardcore vissual evidence of government involvement in 9/11 and is nearly impossible to deny.

Building seven, first of all, was the third building to collapse within the World Trade Center Complex. According to the government’s official story, building seven was destroyed from fire, along with buildings one and two.

Videos Show Building 7's 6.5 second symmetrical collapse

First of all it’s important to say that fire has never once brought a steel structure down. Out of 100 uncontrolled fires in the last 50 years NEVER has fire collapsed a steel building, only earthquakes and explosives have been able to flatten these architectural structures.

So, why is building seven so significant? It’s important because building seven collapsed without being struck by an airplane or anything else, almost as if it were the wind that knocked it over.

Several videos have been salvaged which show building seven's collapse and shocking evidence has surfaced from scrutiny.

CBS Broadcast of Buildinding Seven's fall - Dan Rather admits it looks like Explosives
Building Seven's Collapase from a mile away
Building Seven's Colapse from 1000 feet away, this is very obvious

You see, building seven DECENTEGRATED INTO RUBBLE in a vertical symmetrical fashion in 6.5 seconds. If building seven was taken down by an aircraft impact (even though it was not) it would have thrown back horizontally, transferring the energy away from the air plane impacts. And if it was fire that had brought it down, we would have seen the structure reduced into liquid metal, and the streets would be a river of flame. But this building simply fell straight to the ground and crumbled.

I need to explain something about controlled demolition. First of all, when buildings are demolished the explosives are placed in the central column, so the structure falls inwards and does not damage other surrounding buildings. So they only way the building can fall like this or fall period is through the use of explosives.

THE FEMA REPORT ON WORLD TRADE CENTER 7 COLLAPSE IS A TOTAL JOKE.

“Each of the following videos shows the entire visible portion of the building falling with a vertical precision otherwise seen only in controlled demolition. Moreover, they show that the collapse took only about 6.5 seconds from start to finish. That rate of fall is within a second of the time it would take an object to fall from the building's roof with no air resistance”

Good lookin to Dem Bruce Lee Stylez, and his MIGHTY nine eleven thread right here

Historical Comparison

I won't comment on this, though I think if anyone googled enough you'd probably come close to the truth. But what I *can* say is why exactly would the gov't demolish building seven? Think about it, it stood for several hours after the attack before falling. Nobody was inside the building when it collapsed, so what exactly woudl be the purpose of some grand coverup involving building seven? Done with this one, don't expect anymore...

[quote=Sub-Zer0,May 7 2005, 12:11 PM] ----The Burning of the Reichstag



In 1933, shortly after being elected Chancelor Adolph Hitler wanted to cease the German president’s powers for himself. So he set the massive governmental building on fire, and the Reichstag (German Parliament) infernos sent the population into a state of petrified fear. Adolph Hitler was then able to merge the Chancellor’s powers with that of the Presidents, and this is the origin of where his dictatorial power came from. Hitler also blamed the terrorist attack on the communists, and recived a pretext, or a reason, to attack them.


The real Pretext

Hitler’s conspiratorial tactic of burning the Reichstag to receive dictatorial power, and a pretext to attack his enemies is a method that is known as the Hegelian Dialectic, which is translated simply as problem, reaction, solution. The Hegelian Dialectic is a tactic that was developed by the 19th century German philosopher George Wilhelm Fredric Hegel. The way this works is, you create a crisis, the population is thrown into fear, and then you, the creator of the crisis, step in with a pre-organized solution, and pose as the savior. As soon as 911 occurred, literally while the smoke was still streaming from the building, politicians began targeting us with Doublethink approaches to get us to give up our freedom for security.

I don't want to digress too much, but this is important.

Doublethink is the practice of misrepresenting something bad as something good, such as pushing identity theft propaganda in order to get the people wanting a national ID card. This was the phrase coined in George Orwell's book 1984, which psychologically persuaded the population to relinquish there freedom and unto big brother simultaneously being happy about it. We see doublethink utilized daily by politicians.

The Hegelian Dialectic fused with the double think approach has given ruthless men an unbelievably effective tactic of power consolidation. But this time it's bigger,

PNAC(Project For a New American Centeury

The Project for a New American Century (PNAC) was founded by Dick Chenney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Lewis Libby and others in 2000. This is a pro-globalization neo-con think tank. On his website Dick Cheney lays out a Blueprint for America to invade many of it's neighbors and construct a "global command and control system" Cheney sites Syria, Libya, and North Korea as terrorist regimes, and uses their existence to justify invasions and restructuring there powers under a Pax America. It's strange, earlier in the year, Rumsfeld was selling Nuclear Reactors to North Korea. Now he's sitting in meetings at PNAC calling them a dangerous regime. HaHa, who made them more dangerous, Mr. Rumsfeld?
This document also mentions that public support would be very difficult to rally for these upcoming wars, and that a "Pearl Harbor Like Attack" would be very helpful. Now this is a public document, saying we need helpful Pearl Harbor attacks, that's motive, and practically admittance.

Sources:

PNAC offical site read the documents.
Meacher talks about PNAC too
Guardian UK - The Two Faces of Rumseld[/quote]

There's also redirection. Letting the people believe one thing, and in fact fostering it - knowing it's nowhere near the truth. Personaly, I think anyone that believes the gov't has released *all* the pertinent information about 911 are misguided... but not *nearly* as much as those that persue crazed cospiracy theories. In the long run, those that believe such things are no threat to the gov't at all.

[quote=Sub-Zer0,May 7 2005, 12:11 PM] Not only this, but


"the US and the UK, are running dangerously low on hydrocarbon energy supplies. And by 2010 the Muslim world will control as much as 60% of the worlds oil production, and 95% of the remaining exportable oil. "

Protecting oil supplies in a crisis
Taliban to Texas for Oil Talks
Bottom of the Barrel, the world is runnin out of oil, why do Politicans refuse to talk about it?
Threats of US to strike Taliban weeks before the attacks



Key Bono(Who Benefits?)

Three Corporations involved in the war on terror/The World effort. They are the
Carlyle Group, Unocal, and Halliburton,

Carlyle group: Bush and the Bin Laden family are BOTH investors in this company, that is headed almost exclusively by former government officals.


Unocal: Bush just hired the former CEO, I believe to his administration, others inside the camp are investors as well. This is the company building the pipeline through Afganistan.

Halliburton: I don't even half to say it.[/quote]

Business and politics have gone hand in hand since the dawn of civilization. Nothing new here.


[quote=Sub-Zer0,May 7 2005, 12:11 PM] Meacher for the last time,

"No serious attempt has ever been made to catch Bin Laden. In late September and early October 2001, leaders of Pakistan's two Islamist parties negotiated Bin Laden's extradition to Pakistan to stand trial for 9/11. However, a US official said, significantly, that "casting our objectives too narrowly" risked "a premature collapse of the international effort if by some lucky chance Mr Bin Laden was captured". The US chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, General Myers, went so far as to say that "the goal has never been to get Bin Laden" (AP, April 5 2002). The whistle blowing FBI agent Robert Wright told ABC News (December 19 2002) that FBI headquarters wanted no arrests. And in November 2001 the US air force complained it had had al-Qaida and Taliban leaders in its sights as many as 10 times over the previous six weeks, but had been unable to attack because they did not receive permission quickly enough (Time Magazine, May 13 2002). None of this assembled evidence, all of which comes from sources already in the public domain, is compatible with the idea of a real, determined war on terrorism"
Micheal Meacher

The War on terror is not the war on terror, it's putting the PNAC agenda into action.

Not only have they blatantly avoided chances to catch Bin Laden, but many reporters have written articles about top government officials holding the investigation in the dark, delaying them, and in some cases even protecting the terrorists. I'd post the actual document but I'm out of picture slots so you have to settle for the article, or research the rest yourself.

Bush restricts 911 probesTop Taladan leader freed by US
911 study hindered
Bush trying to hide 911 information
911 documents to sensitive for realse
Bush discourages 911 investagations
Times of India - Bush took FBI agents off the Trail of Bin Ladens
Guardian UK - Agent Blasts FBI over 11 Sept 'cover up'


Goes on and on


The really scary thing is,


Home Land security = Police State Mechanism

New Laws in the Works, are...

Patriot Act: Old school now, Police and government officials do not need warrants to enter homes now, and can seize anything in your house, and not tell you they were there for 60 days. Also ambiguous language could allow for secret juryless trials and even executions for supposed "Terrorists". The definition of a terrorist as shown in the Patriot Act is one who commits "Any act that endangers human life, IN VIOLATION WITH ANY FEDERAL OR STATE LAW" So Jay walkers and pot dealers are terroist too. The Patriot Act has been used on many "domestic terrorists" for crimes such as being a gang member to writing a story here are some examples. [quote]

It states "Any act that ENDANGERS HUMAN LIFE, in violation with any federal or state law." I don't think jaywalkers and pot dealers endanger life. But yes, rapists, murders, pedophiles, muggers, etc. can pretty much be called terrorists. I'd say "terror" would be a good word to use for the emotional state of a 12 year old getting raped.

[quote=Sub-Zer0,May 7 2005, 12:11 PM] Student Arrested For Terroristic Threatening Says Incident A Misunderstanding, (HE gets arrested for writing a story byt doesen't say that in the head lines)

NY Post - N.Y. Using Terrorism Law To Prosecute Street Gang[/quote]

William Pooles story (the student mentioned in your first link) was later found to have no zombies in it. What did it have? I found some excerpts online:

In the overview to his writings, Poole wrote, “We will shut down all the other groups that come against us.” The only way to join the brotherhood, he wrote, “is doing something stupid.”

A separate story, titled “War” was described by Caudill as “futuristic,” and referred to a group of people sitting down at a kitchen table, where they plan a takeover of a school, determining how long it will take for police to arrive on the scene. “They will all die together,” Poole wrote.

Another excerpt, read by Caudill, states, “All the boys sit down at the kitchen table and start planning it out. They wrote down how many teachers, students and guards were at the high school. Also, how long it would take police to get there. They wrote down what was needed and how they was going to do it. They agreed right there they they would all die together.”

He continued, “They yelled, ‘kill them,’ and all the soldiers of Zone 2 started shooting. They are dropping every one of them. After five minutes, all the people are laying on the ground dead.”

Other documents, titled “Death of a Soldier” tells his family goodbye and list two separate dates for his death, Nov. 20, 2004, and Feb. 19, 2005. The latter date was three days before Poole was arrested.

Sounds to me as if it was indeed something that needed to be investigated. Better to err on the side of safety than have another Columbine.

As for the gang? It's a street gang. If you don't want to get burned, don't play with fire. Did you notice the charges included murder and attempted murder? Surely you agree that street gangs that kill people (in some all to common cases even children with stray bullets) should be taken off the streets? In my opinion, if terrorism fits on the charge list along with drug peddling and killing kids, so be it.

[quote=Sub-Zer0,May 7 2005, 12:11 PM] National ID cards, which contain name, address the usual things, but also a finger and a retinal print, also rumors are circulating about a possible tracking chip inside of them.[/quote]

Rumor? Fact is it's nothing more than a nationwide driver's license.

[quote=Sub-Zer0,May 7 2005, 12:11 PM] We have the National all Prescriptions reporting act, which makes all of your medical drug information accessible by Federal agencies, all of them in fact since their all allowed sharing information now. [/quote]

It doesn't make *all* your medical drug information accessible. It applies only to class II, III, and IV *controlled substances*. It's purpose is to help prevent questionable drug distribution (ie. no medically unnecessary drug distribution). This only hurts those hooked on pain killers, time to sober up if that's the case.

Revisions planned to curb patient misuse

[quote=Sub-Zer0,May 7 2005, 12:11 PM] And the possible enactment of mandatory psychological testing for children and prescribing drugs without the parents consent.
There are also talks of extending the program to the entire population. (Note: The Forced psychological testing bill has already been passed, search “new freedom initiative” for more info) [/quote]

The New Freedom Initiative is geared to helping those with disabilities. How dare the gov't try to make life easier for the handicapped! Are you against the disabled having regular jobs, regular lives, and living in regular neighborhoods?

[quote=Sub-Zer0,May 7 2005, 12:11 PM] AND the mother of them all of course, the Patriot Act II, while the first Patriot Act is just a destruction first, third, fourth and fifth amendments, Patriot Act II is a carbon copy of the powers that Hitler and Julius Caesar gave themselves
Patriot Act II creates an expanded definition for domestic terrorism, And it allows any terrorism act to result in the death penalty, allows federal access to your bank, educational, and financial records, and makes conspiracy to commit terror a crime with out endangering any life what so ever. And amazingly makes information gathering illegal, in fact this post right here would go under the heading of "Info Terrorism"

Patriot act II is enormously unpopular, and received massive amounts of bad press, so it's being passed in smaller increments, 10% of it has already been passed as HR2417, which allows for the pulling of all Financial and Medical transcripts.

"Strengthening Patriot Act I is code for passing Patriot Act 2."
There trying to do this now.


Summary:


911 was such a cataclysmic event, it galvanized both the idiots and the intellectuals of America into a flag waving frenzy for nearly five years. 911 has become a never ending excuse to fight any war over seas, and implement any authoritarian rule domestically. Politicians were so quick to exploit this event, jumping in there tanks and battle suits while rushing 1000 page bills through the Senate and House. One has to wonder, why knee jerk reaction of this attack was to shift into throwing doublethink deception at the people, telling them to give up freedom for liberty before the smoke had yet to even clear from the air.

Giving up freedom for Liberty is a False Paradigm. No Liberty = Tyranny.

As the Roman judges used to say when a crime was committed, “key bono?”, or who benefits? The globalists who masterminded this attack want authoritarian control of America, invasion into uncontrolled Arab states, and overall a world climate that is so dangerous and unstable, the people will beg them for a one world government. A government ruled by them. Order out of chaos. [/quote]

How do *you* propose we prevent terrorism in America if the gov't can't investigate it? Unless you are having tea with the local terrorist cell, the odds of them targeting you for intrusion into your bank records is pretty slim. Do you think they are going to field an office that just randomly harasses people? I don't see it. What I do see is that if you deny the gov't the right to do what is necessary to combat terrorism, nobody else is going to do it. Something has to be done, and while I see lots of criticism about the policies being made, I've seen *nobody* offer up any alternatives. Let's hear some ideas of how to protect america, but still keep pre-911 freedoms. It's easier to just blast them then actually work the problem - and if your not a part of the solution...

[quote=Sub-Zer0,May 7 2005, 12:11 PM] I've developed quite a case here, and I think my arguments are supported extremely well, even without all of my information on the towers; this is very strong evidence that we are being lied too, almost on a daily basis. Most of this literally proves the official story is a fraud and there's a lot of things I chose not to talk about, like 100s of Al-Queda and Taliban being flown out after 911, Insider trading right before 911, or Bush pulling FBI agents off of the Trail of the Bin Laden right before 911 (Edit: I did touch on that) and signing documents to protect them. However I've come to the conclusion that in this instance, the problem is there is actually TOO MUCH evidence here, so I won't even bother with the links for my last claims. [/quote]

I think if you check around, most of that was explained ages ago.

[quote=Sub-Zer0,May 7 2005, 12:11 PM] If you think I've made a compelling case, than I urge you learn more about this, because if I'm even remotely correct, and this New World Order aka the "Global Union" is created, by the same creatures who carried out this attack, I don't think your going to want to live under the tyranny grids they've constructed for you. I'm not charging the government with carrying this out, but these Rogue elements with tentacles into our government, who live in families who are worth five times as much as our countries annual budget. If you look more into this, I know you'll see that what I'm saying is true, this is what has happened with me. So please spread this thread around as much as you can, watch some of these movies I post at the bottom, PLEASE look into this more. I know when you find out what I'm saying is real, you'll fight it with even more compassion.[/quote]

Bush has four years left in office, I'm not seeing an NWO situation here. Isn't one of the goals of the NWO to have a one world gov't? Not going to happen anytime soon in my opinion, maybe after WWIII if it's big enough to topple the major players... Or maybe not, since there's enough nuclear power in the world to destory it several times over and I don't see a nation willingly conceding themselves to an NWO situation without going out with a "bang."

[quote=Sub-Zer0,May 7 2005, 12:11 PM] In the past only small pockets of people have had information on this subject, which served to cloak events in a protective secrecy. But lately a plethora of new information has been consolidated, creating an incredibly chaotic environment for the globalist where the risk of mass exposure is becoming very real. So once you learn, please spread this information on to others. [/quote]

Meh, all this has been getting debated since 9-12. Anyone with an internet connection has probably seen it.

[quote=Sub-Zer0,May 7 2005, 12:11 PM] This is an information war, against elites with 90% of the wealth trying to control the political and financial systems to control mankind, and doing it for there own selfish desires. And information of this type is so much more powerful than any gun or grenade or tank or anything. Every single word we spew of resistance is a bullet, discharged from a chamber and sent into the heart of the New World Order Demon, and it will take a lot to kill it, but humanity will prevail.[/quote]

Been that way since the dawn of time. I don't recall any "rags-to-riches" world leaders off hand, most are from the affluent. I'm not seeing anything different now.

i think you could find a conspiracy in the way you make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich my friend.all this conjecture and innuendo leads to 1 big thing,and that
is a huge pile of

you do huh? i would love to hear your comments on bush's executive order w199I or the "drills" that were being carried out on 9/11 specifically vigilant gaurdian and tripod II--then you can add your.02 on the "northwood" documents which proves plans have been drafted that unmistakably involves the military striking america and blaming it on someone else--its been admitted that pearl harbor was allowed to take place and that skeleton crews and ships had been moved in to take the damage and incite patriotism please comment--can you honestly watch video of wtc7 collapsing and deny the visual evidence of "crimps" used to implode the center of the building allowing it to fall within its own footprint minimalizing damage to surrounding buildings and comment without exposing yourself as a shill and disinfo agent? anyone "illumined" in the art of symbolism cannot deny that the incident with bush in the classroom reading a story about a goat is nothing less that an in your face admittance of complicity--to think that bush's secret service would sit and watch him read a story to kids(who also would have been in danger) and not do anything "after" the fact that a second plane had hit the wtc complex relieving any doubt of whether or not we were under attack is absurd--supposedly bush was told "america is under attack" (after the second plane had struck)yet in a pre announced appearance(in local newspapers the day before) bush and his security "knew" they were in no danger--mojo i dont know which um member you are the reincarnation of but these details have been discussed many times and the way "new" members pop up spewing the same old propaganda is getting old--the only conspiracy theory around here is the official govt version of 9/11


p.s. openmind -led zepplin sucks

Yes, I do. I've been with the NSA for 6 years now and counting. This is exactly why I *won't* be dragged into talking about certain subjects, because honestly you don't have a need to know. If you feel you do, then by all means PM me a last name, I'll look you up in NSA Searchlight, and we can discuss in the NSA cafeteria. Otherwise, your wasting your breath. I've already stated all I'm going to say about WTC7, and since I personally had a hand in reporting certain aspects of it's collapse, I'm not risking my job to go anymore into it - I said as much in my post, *obviously* you never read it. Any idiot can do a search on google and probably come pretty close to the truth (there were a few articles published that touched on WTC7's "mission")... Any more than that and you are on your own, I refuse to say either way how it went down - take that as you will. As far as which member I'm a "reincarnation" of, I have no idea what you are talking about, this is the first time I've ever created an account on UM, feel free to have the mods check my IP. One of my buddies at work stumbled upon abovetopsecret.com and from there we found our way here. Obviously believing in conspiracy THEORIES are what gets you up and motivated in the morning, and good for you - but truth is truth and it's called THEORY for a reason. There is no proof, no matter how many .uk and <insertconspiracybuzzwordhere>.com sites tell you that the US gov't sat back and watched it all happen. And as I said before, believing in such things that lead you further from the truth and basically make you sound like a paranoid schizophrenic, do nothing other than make you less of a threat to the US Government.

SUNOFONE-you have your right to think what you wish,more power to you.please do'nt think any less of me if i think the state of texas needs to be given to mexico!

i take that back,that would'nt be fair to the mexicans!

since when did being a govt official make you anything other than a public servant? it should be your duty to discuss things and investigate things to the fullest and your allegance "should" be with the people not the ominous entity you attempt to portrayand associate yourself with

oh now wtc 7 had a "mission" and your bound by honor not to comment

theres plenty-you avoided a number off them from my post--heres a reminder plus a few more--w199i,northwood documents,silverstein's MO,NORAD standing down(unprecedented in its 50yr history),the fact that the pentagon was struck at all(to think that norad was unprepared to deal with this threat 48 min after the second plane struck the wtc complex laughable at least if you have any clue about norads tools and their ability to deploy them),bush's goat sory incident,prescot bushes links to nazi germany and the use of the same tactics by his grandson,the fact that 43's first oil company arbusto oil in 76' was in partnership with the bin ladens and utilized their funds,the fact that usama was a cia trained asset with the codename tim osmand is undebateable--the bush administration used the military to strike america and the truth will not be suppressed

If you really ARE with the NSA, you are still bound to abide by the laws of the nation, as are all US citizens. By stating you will not disclose the cause of the murder of thousands of people on 9/11 you are subjecting yourself to possible complicity after the fact with evidence or knowledge you have attained. If you are "risking your job" in disclosing this information, it may also implicate your superiors in conspiracy to conceal this evidence. It would also make them guilty of treason as US government agents, sworn to abide by the US Constitution above all else.

You know (or should know) and I know the WTC 1,2 and 7 were deliberately imploded on 9/11, with far reaching implications of treasonous acts of mass murder of American citizens, conducted, and/or aided and abetted by American government agencies and their hired accomplices, being punishable by death if proven. You are not in an enviable position, should the day arise when the people finally regain control of their government as their chosen representatives, and those currently in these positions are held accountable for criminal acts against the people of the nation, in whose placement of trust they have betrayed.

I'm more than willing to discuss, it's folks to blinded by the "conspiracy" that have a problem with the truth :shrug:



*sigh* Answer me this, WHY would building seven need to come down to foster this ridiculous cospiracy theory? How exactly is a small building coming down *hours* after the two towers, with nobody inside, a conspiracy?



Are we discussing 911 or American history? Much of what you are describing is based on events well prior to 911, I suppose the US now fields a unit of psychics so they can plan things decades in advance and have them play out perfectly despite the fact that there is a new president every eight years minimum? You can chalk some of that up to politics (and a matter of public record, anyone that DOESN'T know Osama was trained by the CIA hasn't done nearly enough homework to be spouting any theory), some of it to wild conjecture. I love the goat story references. Your in a classroom full of impressionable kids and school faculty - you get the news... do you play it cool or jump up and down screaming like a panic stricken little girl? I'll take the cool head thanks.