Maybe its my time of life, maybe Ive read some Dirk Pitt novels, or maybe Im in need of some excitement, but can anyone help me find a really usefull source (s) for some intriguing mysteries?
I have found many sites on the internet, but find that most deal with mainstream, or more popular, topics for discussion, influenced by current cinema releases, news events, and propogated conspiracy theories. Intersting as these are, Im more drawn towards the obscure and unusual mysteries and strange events, especially historical (especially naval). I once found a site dedicated to WWII mysteries, but lost that long ago, although it did fire the imagination somewhat and lead me to search for older mysteries surrounding WWI, US and european civl wars, and mysteries on the periphery of historically significant events. UFO, alien abduction and mythical creatures are very interesting, but I am looking for something to perhaps research and involve me, rather than amuse.
Does anyone know of any such sources, or could you perhaps assist me in finding a group of like-minded enthusiasts who could further help?
Cheers.
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Welcome Ishmail 
Have you tried to google different combos of what you are looking for?
obscure mysteries
strange events
strange mysteries
historical mysteries
Good luck.
Have you tried to google different combos of what you are looking for?
obscure mysteries
strange events
strange mysteries
historical mysteries
Good luck.
how about the mystery behind the mary celeste?there are all kinds of nautical mysteries out there,that's a good place to start.
Roanoke, Virginia. No one (to my knowledge) ever knew precisely what happened there.
Sorry this is so long. I found this one, and I've never heard about it before.
The Mystery of Eilean More
The Island of Disappearing Men
In the empty Atlantic, seventeen miles to the west of the Hebrides, lie the Flannan Islands, known to seafarers as the Seven Hunters. The largest and most northerly of these is called Eilean More-which means in fact 'big island'. Like the Mary Celeste, its name has become synonymous with an apparently insoluble mystery of the sea.
These bleak islands received their name from a seventeenth century bishop, St Flannan, who built a small chapel on Eilean More. Hebridean shepherds often ferried their sheep over to the islands to graze on the rich turf; but they themselves would never spend the night there, for the islands are supposed to be haunted by spirits and by "little folk". In the last decades of the nineteenth century, as Britain's sea trade increased, many ships sailing north or south from Clydebank were wrecked on the Flannans, and in 1895 the Northern Lighthouse Board announced that a lighthouse would be built on Eilean More. They expected construction to take two years; but rough seas, and the problems of hoisting stones and girders up a 200-foot cliff, made it impossible to stick to the schedule. Eilean More lighthouse was finally opened in December 1899. For the next year its beam could be seen reflected on the rough seas between Lewis and the Flannans. Then, eleven days before Christmas 1900, the light went out.
The weather was too stormy for the Northern Lighthouse Board steamer to go and investigate, even though the lighthouse had been built with two landing-stages, one to the west and one to the east, so one of them would always be sheltered from the prevailing wind. Joseph Moore, waiting on the seafront at Loch Roag, had a sense of helplessness as he stared westward towards the Flannans. It was inconceivable that all three men-James Ducat, Donald McArthur and Thomas Marshall-could have fallen ill simultaneously, and virtually impossible that the lighthouse itself could have been destroyed by storms.
On Boxing Day, 1900, the dawn was clear and the sea less rough. The Hesperus left harbour soon after daylight; Moore was so anxious that he refused to eat breakfast, pacing the deck and staring towards the islands. The mystery tormented him, and now he was too excited to take food.
The swell was still heavy, and the Hesperus had to make three approaches before she was able to moor by the eastern jetty. No flags had answered their signals, and there was no sign of life.
Moore was the first to reach the entrance gate. It was closed. He cupped his hands and shouted, then hurried up the steep path. The main door was closed and no one answered his shouts. Like the Mary Celeste, the lighthouse was empty. In the main room the clock had stopped, and the ashes in the fireplace were cold. In the sleeping quarters upstairs- Moore waited until he was joined by two seamen before venturing upstairs, afraid of what he might find there- the beds were neatly made, and the place was tidy.
James Ducat, the chief keeper, had kept records on a slate. The last entry was for 15 December at 9 a.m., the day the light went out. But this had not been for lack of oil; the wicks were trimmed and the lights all ready to be lit. Everything was in order. So it was clear that the men had completed their basic duties for the day before tragedy struck them; when evening came there had been no one on the island to light the lamp. But the 15th of December had been a calm day...
The Hesperus returned to Lewis with the men's Christmas presents still on board. Two days later investigators landed on Eilean More, and tried to reconstruct what had happened. At first it looked as if the solution was quite straightforward. On the westward jetty there was evidence of gale damage; a number of ropes were entangled around a crane which was sixty-five feet above sea-level. A tool chest kept in a crevice forty-five feet above this was missing. It looked as if a hundred foot wave had crashed in from the Atlantic and swept it away, as well as the three men. The fact that the oilskins belonging to Ducat and Marshall were missing seemed to support this theory; they only wore them to visit the jetties. So the investigators had a plausible theory. The two men had feared that the crane was damaged in the storm; they had struggled to the jetty in their oilskins, then been caught by a sudden huge wave...But in that case, what had happened to the third man, Donald McArthur, whose oilskins were still in the lighthouse? Had he perhaps rushed out to try to save them and been swept away himself?
All these theories came crashing down when someone pointed out that the 15th had been a calm day; the storms had not started till the following day. Then perhaps Ducat had simply entered the wrong date by mistake? That theory also had been abandoned when, back at Loch Roag, Captain Holman of the Archer told them he had passed close to the islands on the night of the 15th, and that the light was already out...
Then what if the three men had been on the jetty on a calm morning-which would explain why McArthur was not wearing his oilskins-and one of them had slipped into the water? Perhaps the other two had jumped in after him and been drowned. But then there were ropes and lifebelts on the jetty-why should men leap into the water when they only had to throw in a lifebelt?
Suppose the drowning man was unconscious, and could not grab a lifebelt? In that case only one of his companions would have jumped in after him, leaving the other on the jetty with a rope...
Another theory was that one of the three men had gone insane and pushed the others to their deaths, then thrown himself into the sea. It is just possible; but there is not the slightest shred of evidence for it.
The broadcaster Valentine Dyall-the "Man in Black"- suggested the most plausible explanation in his book Unsolved Mysteries. In 1947, a Scottish journalist named Campbell visited Eilean More on a calm day, and was standing near the west landing when the sea suddenly gave a heave, and rose seventy feet over the jetty. Then, after about a minute, it subsided back to normal. It could have been some freak of the tides, or possible an underwater earthquake. Campbell was convinced that anyone on the jetty at that time would have been sucked into the sea. The lighthouse keeper told him that this curious "upheaval" occurs periodically, and that several men had almost been dragged into the sea.
But it is still hard to understand how three men could be involved in such an accident. Since McArthur was not wearing his oilskins, we can presume he was in the tower when it happened-IF it happened. Even if his companions were swept away, would he be stupid enough to rush down to the jetty and fling himself into the sea?
Only one thing is clear: on that calm December day at the turn of the century, some accident snatched three men off Eilean More, and left not even one shred of a clue to the mystery.
*From the book Encyclopedia of Unsolved Mysteries by Colin Wilson.
The Mystery of Eilean More
The Island of Disappearing Men
In the empty Atlantic, seventeen miles to the west of the Hebrides, lie the Flannan Islands, known to seafarers as the Seven Hunters. The largest and most northerly of these is called Eilean More-which means in fact 'big island'. Like the Mary Celeste, its name has become synonymous with an apparently insoluble mystery of the sea.
These bleak islands received their name from a seventeenth century bishop, St Flannan, who built a small chapel on Eilean More. Hebridean shepherds often ferried their sheep over to the islands to graze on the rich turf; but they themselves would never spend the night there, for the islands are supposed to be haunted by spirits and by "little folk". In the last decades of the nineteenth century, as Britain's sea trade increased, many ships sailing north or south from Clydebank were wrecked on the Flannans, and in 1895 the Northern Lighthouse Board announced that a lighthouse would be built on Eilean More. They expected construction to take two years; but rough seas, and the problems of hoisting stones and girders up a 200-foot cliff, made it impossible to stick to the schedule. Eilean More lighthouse was finally opened in December 1899. For the next year its beam could be seen reflected on the rough seas between Lewis and the Flannans. Then, eleven days before Christmas 1900, the light went out.
The weather was too stormy for the Northern Lighthouse Board steamer to go and investigate, even though the lighthouse had been built with two landing-stages, one to the west and one to the east, so one of them would always be sheltered from the prevailing wind. Joseph Moore, waiting on the seafront at Loch Roag, had a sense of helplessness as he stared westward towards the Flannans. It was inconceivable that all three men-James Ducat, Donald McArthur and Thomas Marshall-could have fallen ill simultaneously, and virtually impossible that the lighthouse itself could have been destroyed by storms.
On Boxing Day, 1900, the dawn was clear and the sea less rough. The Hesperus left harbour soon after daylight; Moore was so anxious that he refused to eat breakfast, pacing the deck and staring towards the islands. The mystery tormented him, and now he was too excited to take food.
The swell was still heavy, and the Hesperus had to make three approaches before she was able to moor by the eastern jetty. No flags had answered their signals, and there was no sign of life.
Moore was the first to reach the entrance gate. It was closed. He cupped his hands and shouted, then hurried up the steep path. The main door was closed and no one answered his shouts. Like the Mary Celeste, the lighthouse was empty. In the main room the clock had stopped, and the ashes in the fireplace were cold. In the sleeping quarters upstairs- Moore waited until he was joined by two seamen before venturing upstairs, afraid of what he might find there- the beds were neatly made, and the place was tidy.
James Ducat, the chief keeper, had kept records on a slate. The last entry was for 15 December at 9 a.m., the day the light went out. But this had not been for lack of oil; the wicks were trimmed and the lights all ready to be lit. Everything was in order. So it was clear that the men had completed their basic duties for the day before tragedy struck them; when evening came there had been no one on the island to light the lamp. But the 15th of December had been a calm day...
The Hesperus returned to Lewis with the men's Christmas presents still on board. Two days later investigators landed on Eilean More, and tried to reconstruct what had happened. At first it looked as if the solution was quite straightforward. On the westward jetty there was evidence of gale damage; a number of ropes were entangled around a crane which was sixty-five feet above sea-level. A tool chest kept in a crevice forty-five feet above this was missing. It looked as if a hundred foot wave had crashed in from the Atlantic and swept it away, as well as the three men. The fact that the oilskins belonging to Ducat and Marshall were missing seemed to support this theory; they only wore them to visit the jetties. So the investigators had a plausible theory. The two men had feared that the crane was damaged in the storm; they had struggled to the jetty in their oilskins, then been caught by a sudden huge wave...But in that case, what had happened to the third man, Donald McArthur, whose oilskins were still in the lighthouse? Had he perhaps rushed out to try to save them and been swept away himself?
All these theories came crashing down when someone pointed out that the 15th had been a calm day; the storms had not started till the following day. Then perhaps Ducat had simply entered the wrong date by mistake? That theory also had been abandoned when, back at Loch Roag, Captain Holman of the Archer told them he had passed close to the islands on the night of the 15th, and that the light was already out...
Then what if the three men had been on the jetty on a calm morning-which would explain why McArthur was not wearing his oilskins-and one of them had slipped into the water? Perhaps the other two had jumped in after him and been drowned. But then there were ropes and lifebelts on the jetty-why should men leap into the water when they only had to throw in a lifebelt?
Suppose the drowning man was unconscious, and could not grab a lifebelt? In that case only one of his companions would have jumped in after him, leaving the other on the jetty with a rope...
Another theory was that one of the three men had gone insane and pushed the others to their deaths, then thrown himself into the sea. It is just possible; but there is not the slightest shred of evidence for it.
The broadcaster Valentine Dyall-the "Man in Black"- suggested the most plausible explanation in his book Unsolved Mysteries. In 1947, a Scottish journalist named Campbell visited Eilean More on a calm day, and was standing near the west landing when the sea suddenly gave a heave, and rose seventy feet over the jetty. Then, after about a minute, it subsided back to normal. It could have been some freak of the tides, or possible an underwater earthquake. Campbell was convinced that anyone on the jetty at that time would have been sucked into the sea. The lighthouse keeper told him that this curious "upheaval" occurs periodically, and that several men had almost been dragged into the sea.
But it is still hard to understand how three men could be involved in such an accident. Since McArthur was not wearing his oilskins, we can presume he was in the tower when it happened-IF it happened. Even if his companions were swept away, would he be stupid enough to rush down to the jetty and fling himself into the sea?
Only one thing is clear: on that calm December day at the turn of the century, some accident snatched three men off Eilean More, and left not even one shred of a clue to the mystery.
*From the book Encyclopedia of Unsolved Mysteries by Colin Wilson.
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QUOTE(openmind1963 @ May 7 2005, 07:17 PM)
how about the mystery behind the mary celeste?there are all kinds of nautical mysteries out there,that's a good place to start.
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you're kidding right ?
the marie celeste or the mary celeste ?
there were two you know
which ones the mystery ?
QUOTE(LilaBurrows @ May 7 2005, 06:41 PM)
Roanoke, Virginia. No one (to my knowledge) ever knew precisely what happened there.
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Roanoke island my friend.roanoke is a city 50 miles west of me.
roanoke is a crazy town though.
QUOTE(marduk @ May 8 2005, 04:19 PM)
QUOTE(openmind1963 @ May 7 2005, 07:17 PM)
how about the mystery behind the mary celeste?there are all kinds of nautical mysteries out there,that's a good place to start.
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you're kidding right ?
the marie celeste or the mary celeste ?
there were two you know
which ones the mystery ?
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the boat the mart celeste.the one found floating in the atlantic with it's lifeboat and occupants missing.what is the other marie celeste?
QUOTE(openmind1963 @ May 8 2005, 05:55 PM)
QUOTE(marduk @ May 8 2005, 04:19 PM)
QUOTE(openmind1963 @ May 7 2005, 07:17 PM)
how about the mystery behind the mary celeste?there are all kinds of nautical mysteries out there,that's a good place to start.
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you're kidding right ?
the marie celeste or the mary celeste ?
there were two you know
which ones the mystery ?
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the boat the mart celeste.the one found floating in the atlantic with it's lifeboat and occupants missing.what is the other marie celeste?
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Mary Celeste was launched in Nova Scotia in 1860. Her original name was "Amazon". She was 103 ft overall displacing 280 tons and listed as a half-brig. Over the next 10 years she was involved in several accidents at sea and passed through a number of owners. Eventually she turned up at a New York salvage auction where she was purchased for $3,000. After extensive repairs she was put under American registry and renamed "Mary Celeste".
The popular mystery of the Mary Celeste did not begin until 1884 when Arthur Conan Doyle (the future author of the Sherlock Holmes series) writing under a pseudonym published a story about a derelict ship which he called "Marie Celeste". It was titled "J. Habakuk Jepson's Statement". This tale recounted some of the actual events of the Mary Celeste with considerable added fictional and provocative detail which stirred up controversy and captured the public interest.
so the mystery of the mary/marie celeste is why is it still a mystery ?
Here is one for you.....
The mystery of Oak Island, here in Nova Scotia, Canada.
You'll need to scroll down the page about halfway.
Oak Island Mystery
The mystery of Oak Island, here in Nova Scotia, Canada.
You'll need to scroll down the page about halfway.
Oak Island Mystery
QUOTE(openmind1963 @ May 8 2005, 12:53 PM)
QUOTE(LilaBurrows @ May 7 2005, 06:41 PM)
Roanoke, Virginia. No one (to my knowledge) ever knew precisely what happened there.
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Roanoke island my friend.roanoke is a city 50 miles west of me.
roanoke is a crazy town though.
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There's more than 1 Roanoke? Sorry, didn't know that.
this is an interesting topic. Because personally i plan to do the same thing! I have something on my mind I would love to visit. Of course it's most likely illegal. I need to find the article so i'll edit if I find it.......
QUOTE(MarthMadness54 @ May 9 2005, 08:26 PM)
this is an interesting topic. Because personally i plan to do the same thing! I have something on my mind I would love to visit. Of course it's most likely illegal. I need to find the article so i'll edit if I find it.......
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Biggest mystery of modern times
a) how did George W Bush get another term
How did labour get in againc) Just how exactly is the new movie "gilgamesh" starring omar shariff, peter o toole and billy zane going to be entirely filmed on location ?
Is it just me, or is it going to be difficult to diguise a flak jacket and kevlar helmet with the wardrobe of the time?
I can see the trailer now... "Gilgamesh running for his life while being chased by a mounted Tukarof .50 in a Toyota, being chased by a hummer with a blazing 20mm cannon ripping the Toyo to shreds."
I think that Omar Shariff, Billy Zane and Peter o Toole would have had great fun filming scenes in and around basra while snipers and mad bombers are active on a daily basis,
Run Billy Run
Peter O' Toole making a getaway on a camel
Omar of course would have had no problem as he's recognised as a living god out that way already. Maybe he should run for president while he's there. He'd win that one hands down.
If u wan2 look 4 mysteries, go to reputable sites first for the lowdown then u can do ur own research and make up nur mind.
btw welcome to the forum
btw welcome to the forum
Why start small? The Grail legend is the greatest mystery. It is the search for the philosphers stone and esoterism all in one package.
Begin at the Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland.
Begin at the Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland.
QUOTE(DJ_Quinn @ May 11 2005, 02:48 PM)
Why start small? The Grail legend is the greatest mystery. It is the search for the philosphers stone and esoterism all in one package.
Begin at the Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland.
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Begin at the Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland.
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The grail legend depends on a belief in Jesus
not everyone does
if the grail is anywhere its in the vatican library
first off though you have to prove that a jewish carpenter with a greek name walked the streets of jerusalem 2000 years ago
good luck
you'll need it
QUOTE(marduk @ May 11 2005, 02:09 PM)
QUOTE(DJ_Quinn @ May 11 2005, 02:48 PM)
Why start small? The Grail legend is the greatest mystery. It is the search for the philosphers stone and esoterism all in one package.
Begin at the Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland.
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Begin at the Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland.
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The grail legend depends on a belief in Jesus
not everyone does
if the grail is anywhere its in the vatican library
first off though you have to prove that a jewish carpenter with a greek name walked the streets of jerusalem 2000 years ago
good luck
you'll need it
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>The grail legend depends on a belief in Jesus<
You are dead wrong. The grail legend dependsa upon a belief in the esoteric.
QUOTE(DJ_Quinn @ May 11 2005, 03:47 PM)
QUOTE(marduk @ May 11 2005, 02:09 PM)
QUOTE(DJ_Quinn @ May 11 2005, 02:48 PM)
Why start small? The Grail legend is the greatest mystery. It is the search for the philosphers stone and esoterism all in one package.
Begin at the Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland.
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Begin at the Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland.
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The grail legend depends on a belief in Jesus
not everyone does
if the grail is anywhere its in the vatican library
first off though you have to prove that a jewish carpenter with a greek name walked the streets of jerusalem 2000 years ago
good luck
you'll need it
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>The grail legend depends on a belief in Jesus<
You are dead wrong. The grail legend dependsa upon a belief in the esoteric.
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so the grail you're talking about is NOT the holy grail that was at the last supper that Jesus attended and that was later used to catch jesus's blood as he hung dying on the cross
so which grail are you talking about then ?
or am i DEAD wrong again
I clipped this from a website, http://www.templarhistory.com/mann.html
"With the advent of the internet, there appears to be a swelling tide of interest relating to the question as to whether the medieval Knights Templar in fact possessed the Holy Grail. The answer to this is a very simple one: There is no doubt whatsoever that the Templars possessed the Holy Grail.
The explanation behind this answer, unfortunately, remains somewhat complicated and, to a degree, very speculative. The key, as I have learned during the writing of The Labyrinth Of The Grail, is to constantly "look beyond" what appears at first to be the true answer. The simple reasoning is that why else would both the Church and State pursue the Templars to the far ends of the earth and torture them beyond compassion. Obviously, the accusations of blasmephy were only an excuse to justify their actions. It really doesn't take any skill to recognize that the inner circle of the Templars possessed something far more valuable than mere silver and gold - something that threatened the very being of the Church and State.
What the Templars possessed, and became sworn guardians of, was the unbroken line of "ancient knowledge" which among other things allowed the ancient mariner to circumnavigate the world. It is now coming to light that trade among the "Old World" and the "New World" had regularly occurred throughout the Neolithic to Roman eras by "societies who were in on the secret." Hints of these visits and settlement now appear to be revealing themselves through a variety of sources including classic mythology, Indian legend and maritime folklore, as well as through recent archaeological discoveries.
This knowledge was pure power. Societies that not only possessed the ability to track the sun, moon and the stars, but possessed the inherent wisdom to maintain the "secret" of being able to fix longitudinal positions long before it became common practice, were societies in constant danger of being exterminated. On the other hand, those societies who were able to exploit their advantage to the fullest such as the earliest Templars enjoyed a status rivaled by none.
In other words, the Templars, and those who came before them, were accorded the ability to "look beyond" standard Church dogma to places yet to be "discovered" - the mythical Otherworld.
Think about it for a moment. If you possessed an unlimited source of raw material, fertile land, and mineral wealth, would you reveal it to the world? No, I don't think that you would, especially if you were in the business of "brokering" peace among nations. The Templars would surely have considered this knowledge to be a "God-given gift." Thereby, the Templars would have considered themselves to be the guardians of a direct "conduit" between God and man. The Templars would have also believed that this conduit of knowledge straight from the heavens exposed itself through the Mysteries of Christ. To the Templars, this embodiment of heavenly knowledge was The Holy Grail."
"With the advent of the internet, there appears to be a swelling tide of interest relating to the question as to whether the medieval Knights Templar in fact possessed the Holy Grail. The answer to this is a very simple one: There is no doubt whatsoever that the Templars possessed the Holy Grail.
The explanation behind this answer, unfortunately, remains somewhat complicated and, to a degree, very speculative. The key, as I have learned during the writing of The Labyrinth Of The Grail, is to constantly "look beyond" what appears at first to be the true answer. The simple reasoning is that why else would both the Church and State pursue the Templars to the far ends of the earth and torture them beyond compassion. Obviously, the accusations of blasmephy were only an excuse to justify their actions. It really doesn't take any skill to recognize that the inner circle of the Templars possessed something far more valuable than mere silver and gold - something that threatened the very being of the Church and State.
What the Templars possessed, and became sworn guardians of, was the unbroken line of "ancient knowledge" which among other things allowed the ancient mariner to circumnavigate the world. It is now coming to light that trade among the "Old World" and the "New World" had regularly occurred throughout the Neolithic to Roman eras by "societies who were in on the secret." Hints of these visits and settlement now appear to be revealing themselves through a variety of sources including classic mythology, Indian legend and maritime folklore, as well as through recent archaeological discoveries.
This knowledge was pure power. Societies that not only possessed the ability to track the sun, moon and the stars, but possessed the inherent wisdom to maintain the "secret" of being able to fix longitudinal positions long before it became common practice, were societies in constant danger of being exterminated. On the other hand, those societies who were able to exploit their advantage to the fullest such as the earliest Templars enjoyed a status rivaled by none.
In other words, the Templars, and those who came before them, were accorded the ability to "look beyond" standard Church dogma to places yet to be "discovered" - the mythical Otherworld.
Think about it for a moment. If you possessed an unlimited source of raw material, fertile land, and mineral wealth, would you reveal it to the world? No, I don't think that you would, especially if you were in the business of "brokering" peace among nations. The Templars would surely have considered this knowledge to be a "God-given gift." Thereby, the Templars would have considered themselves to be the guardians of a direct "conduit" between God and man. The Templars would have also believed that this conduit of knowledge straight from the heavens exposed itself through the Mysteries of Christ. To the Templars, this embodiment of heavenly knowledge was The Holy Grail."
QUOTE(DJ_Quinn @ May 11 2005, 04:30 PM)
I clipped this from a website, http://www.templarhistory.com/mann.html
"With the advent of the internet, there appears to be a swelling tide of interest relating to the question as to whether the medieval Knights Templar in fact possessed the Holy Grail. The answer to this is a very simple one: There is no doubt whatsoever that the Templars possessed the Holy Grail.
The explanation behind this answer, unfortunately, remains somewhat complicated and, to a degree, very speculative. The key, as I have learned during the writing of The Labyrinth Of The Grail, is to constantly "look beyond" what appears at first to be the true answer. The simple reasoning is that why else would both the Church and State pursue the Templars to the far ends of the earth and torture them beyond compassion. Obviously, the accusations of blasmephy were only an excuse to justify their actions. It really doesn't take any skill to recognize that the inner circle of the Templars possessed something far more valuable than mere silver and gold - something that threatened the very being of the Church and State.
What the Templars possessed, and became sworn guardians of, was the unbroken line of "ancient knowledge" which among other things allowed the ancient mariner to circumnavigate the world. It is now coming to light that trade among the "Old World" and the "New World" had regularly occurred throughout the Neolithic to Roman eras by "societies who were in on the secret." Hints of these visits and settlement now appear to be revealing themselves through a variety of sources including classic mythology, Indian legend and maritime folklore, as well as through recent archaeological discoveries.
This knowledge was pure power. Societies that not only possessed the ability to track the sun, moon and the stars, but possessed the inherent wisdom to maintain the "secret" of being able to fix longitudinal positions long before it became common practice, were societies in constant danger of being exterminated. On the other hand, those societies who were able to exploit their advantage to the fullest such as the earliest Templars enjoyed a status rivaled by none.
In other words, the Templars, and those who came before them, were accorded the ability to "look beyond" standard Church dogma to places yet to be "discovered" - the mythical Otherworld.
Think about it for a moment. If you possessed an unlimited source of raw material, fertile land, and mineral wealth, would you reveal it to the world? No, I don't think that you would, especially if you were in the business of "brokering" peace among nations. The Templars would surely have considered this knowledge to be a "God-given gift." Thereby, the Templars would have considered themselves to be the guardians of a direct "conduit" between God and man. The Templars would have also believed that this conduit of knowledge straight from the heavens exposed itself through the Mysteries of Christ. To the Templars, this embodiment of heavenly knowledge was The Holy Grail."
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"With the advent of the internet, there appears to be a swelling tide of interest relating to the question as to whether the medieval Knights Templar in fact possessed the Holy Grail. The answer to this is a very simple one: There is no doubt whatsoever that the Templars possessed the Holy Grail.
The explanation behind this answer, unfortunately, remains somewhat complicated and, to a degree, very speculative. The key, as I have learned during the writing of The Labyrinth Of The Grail, is to constantly "look beyond" what appears at first to be the true answer. The simple reasoning is that why else would both the Church and State pursue the Templars to the far ends of the earth and torture them beyond compassion. Obviously, the accusations of blasmephy were only an excuse to justify their actions. It really doesn't take any skill to recognize that the inner circle of the Templars possessed something far more valuable than mere silver and gold - something that threatened the very being of the Church and State.
What the Templars possessed, and became sworn guardians of, was the unbroken line of "ancient knowledge" which among other things allowed the ancient mariner to circumnavigate the world. It is now coming to light that trade among the "Old World" and the "New World" had regularly occurred throughout the Neolithic to Roman eras by "societies who were in on the secret." Hints of these visits and settlement now appear to be revealing themselves through a variety of sources including classic mythology, Indian legend and maritime folklore, as well as through recent archaeological discoveries.
This knowledge was pure power. Societies that not only possessed the ability to track the sun, moon and the stars, but possessed the inherent wisdom to maintain the "secret" of being able to fix longitudinal positions long before it became common practice, were societies in constant danger of being exterminated. On the other hand, those societies who were able to exploit their advantage to the fullest such as the earliest Templars enjoyed a status rivaled by none.
In other words, the Templars, and those who came before them, were accorded the ability to "look beyond" standard Church dogma to places yet to be "discovered" - the mythical Otherworld.
Think about it for a moment. If you possessed an unlimited source of raw material, fertile land, and mineral wealth, would you reveal it to the world? No, I don't think that you would, especially if you were in the business of "brokering" peace among nations. The Templars would surely have considered this knowledge to be a "God-given gift." Thereby, the Templars would have considered themselves to be the guardians of a direct "conduit" between God and man. The Templars would have also believed that this conduit of knowledge straight from the heavens exposed itself through the Mysteries of Christ. To the Templars, this embodiment of heavenly knowledge was The Holy Grail."
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"The Templars would have also believed that this conduit of knowledge straight from the heavens exposed itself through the Mysteries of Christ. To the Templars, this embodiment of heavenly knowledge was The Holy Grail."
So you're still saying that Jesus and grail stories have nothing to do with each other
You're dead wrong
marduk just luvs to twist the knife in 
QUOTE(marduk @ May 11 2005, 05:12 PM)
QUOTE(DJ_Quinn @ May 11 2005, 04:30 PM)
I clipped this from a website, http://www.templarhistory.com/mann.html
"With the advent of the internet, there appears to be a swelling tide of interest relating to the question as to whether the medieval Knights Templar in fact possessed the Holy Grail. The answer to this is a very simple one: There is no doubt whatsoever that the Templars possessed the Holy Grail.
The explanation behind this answer, unfortunately, remains somewhat complicated and, to a degree, very speculative. The key, as I have learned during the writing of The Labyrinth Of The Grail, is to constantly "look beyond" what appears at first to be the true answer. The simple reasoning is that why else would both the Church and State pursue the Templars to the far ends of the earth and torture them beyond compassion. Obviously, the accusations of blasmephy were only an excuse to justify their actions. It really doesn't take any skill to recognize that the inner circle of the Templars possessed something far more valuable than mere silver and gold - something that threatened the very being of the Church and State.
What the Templars possessed, and became sworn guardians of, was the unbroken line of "ancient knowledge" which among other things allowed the ancient mariner to circumnavigate the world. It is now coming to light that trade among the "Old World" and the "New World" had regularly occurred throughout the Neolithic to Roman eras by "societies who were in on the secret." Hints of these visits and settlement now appear to be revealing themselves through a variety of sources including classic mythology, Indian legend and maritime folklore, as well as through recent archaeological discoveries.
This knowledge was pure power. Societies that not only possessed the ability to track the sun, moon and the stars, but possessed the inherent wisdom to maintain the "secret" of being able to fix longitudinal positions long before it became common practice, were societies in constant danger of being exterminated. On the other hand, those societies who were able to exploit their advantage to the fullest such as the earliest Templars enjoyed a status rivaled by none.
In other words, the Templars, and those who came before them, were accorded the ability to "look beyond" standard Church dogma to places yet to be "discovered" - the mythical Otherworld.
Think about it for a moment. If you possessed an unlimited source of raw material, fertile land, and mineral wealth, would you reveal it to the world? No, I don't think that you would, especially if you were in the business of "brokering" peace among nations. The Templars would surely have considered this knowledge to be a "God-given gift." Thereby, the Templars would have considered themselves to be the guardians of a direct "conduit" between God and man. The Templars would have also believed that this conduit of knowledge straight from the heavens exposed itself through the Mysteries of Christ. To the Templars, this embodiment of heavenly knowledge was The Holy Grail."
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"With the advent of the internet, there appears to be a swelling tide of interest relating to the question as to whether the medieval Knights Templar in fact possessed the Holy Grail. The answer to this is a very simple one: There is no doubt whatsoever that the Templars possessed the Holy Grail.
The explanation behind this answer, unfortunately, remains somewhat complicated and, to a degree, very speculative. The key, as I have learned during the writing of The Labyrinth Of The Grail, is to constantly "look beyond" what appears at first to be the true answer. The simple reasoning is that why else would both the Church and State pursue the Templars to the far ends of the earth and torture them beyond compassion. Obviously, the accusations of blasmephy were only an excuse to justify their actions. It really doesn't take any skill to recognize that the inner circle of the Templars possessed something far more valuable than mere silver and gold - something that threatened the very being of the Church and State.
What the Templars possessed, and became sworn guardians of, was the unbroken line of "ancient knowledge" which among other things allowed the ancient mariner to circumnavigate the world. It is now coming to light that trade among the "Old World" and the "New World" had regularly occurred throughout the Neolithic to Roman eras by "societies who were in on the secret." Hints of these visits and settlement now appear to be revealing themselves through a variety of sources including classic mythology, Indian legend and maritime folklore, as well as through recent archaeological discoveries.
This knowledge was pure power. Societies that not only possessed the ability to track the sun, moon and the stars, but possessed the inherent wisdom to maintain the "secret" of being able to fix longitudinal positions long before it became common practice, were societies in constant danger of being exterminated. On the other hand, those societies who were able to exploit their advantage to the fullest such as the earliest Templars enjoyed a status rivaled by none.
In other words, the Templars, and those who came before them, were accorded the ability to "look beyond" standard Church dogma to places yet to be "discovered" - the mythical Otherworld.
Think about it for a moment. If you possessed an unlimited source of raw material, fertile land, and mineral wealth, would you reveal it to the world? No, I don't think that you would, especially if you were in the business of "brokering" peace among nations. The Templars would surely have considered this knowledge to be a "God-given gift." Thereby, the Templars would have considered themselves to be the guardians of a direct "conduit" between God and man. The Templars would have also believed that this conduit of knowledge straight from the heavens exposed itself through the Mysteries of Christ. To the Templars, this embodiment of heavenly knowledge was The Holy Grail."
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"The Templars would have also believed that this conduit of knowledge straight from the heavens exposed itself through the Mysteries of Christ. To the Templars, this embodiment of heavenly knowledge was The Holy Grail."
So you're still saying that Jesus and grail stories have nothing to do with each other
You're dead wrong
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Not at all. That is a quote. I believe that the Templars were gnostics. Gnosis meens "illuminated", or "knowing". The mysteries of Chrrist are actually very closely related to the Egyptian mystery schools. The embodiment of heavenly knowledge is much older than Christianity.
QUOTE(DJ_Quinn @ May 12 2005, 07:55 AM)
QUOTE(marduk @ May 11 2005, 05:12 PM)
QUOTE(DJ_Quinn @ May 11 2005, 04:30 PM)
I clipped this from a website, http://www.templarhistory.com/mann.html
"With the advent of the internet, there appears to be a swelling tide of interest relating to the question as to whether the medieval Knights Templar in fact possessed the Holy Grail. The answer to this is a very simple one: There is no doubt whatsoever that the Templars possessed the Holy Grail.
The explanation behind this answer, unfortunately, remains somewhat complicated and, to a degree, very speculative. The key, as I have learned during the writing of The Labyrinth Of The Grail, is to constantly "look beyond" what appears at first to be the true answer. The simple reasoning is that why else would both the Church and State pursue the Templars to the far ends of the earth and torture them beyond compassion. Obviously, the accusations of blasmephy were only an excuse to justify their actions. It really doesn't take any skill to recognize that the inner circle of the Templars possessed something far more valuable than mere silver and gold - something that threatened the very being of the Church and State.
What the Templars possessed, and became sworn guardians of, was the unbroken line of "ancient knowledge" which among other things allowed the ancient mariner to circumnavigate the world. It is now coming to light that trade among the "Old World" and the "New World" had regularly occurred throughout the Neolithic to Roman eras by "societies who were in on the secret." Hints of these visits and settlement now appear to be revealing themselves through a variety of sources including classic mythology, Indian legend and maritime folklore, as well as through recent archaeological discoveries.
This knowledge was pure power. Societies that not only possessed the ability to track the sun, moon and the stars, but possessed the inherent wisdom to maintain the "secret" of being able to fix longitudinal positions long before it became common practice, were societies in constant danger of being exterminated. On the other hand, those societies who were able to exploit their advantage to the fullest such as the earliest Templars enjoyed a status rivaled by none.
In other words, the Templars, and those who came before them, were accorded the ability to "look beyond" standard Church dogma to places yet to be "discovered" - the mythical Otherworld.
Think about it for a moment. If you possessed an unlimited source of raw material, fertile land, and mineral wealth, would you reveal it to the world? No, I don't think that you would, especially if you were in the business of "brokering" peace among nations. The Templars would surely have considered this knowledge to be a "God-given gift." Thereby, the Templars would have considered themselves to be the guardians of a direct "conduit" between God and man. The Templars would have also believed that this conduit of knowledge straight from the heavens exposed itself through the Mysteries of Christ. To the Templars, this embodiment of heavenly knowledge was The Holy Grail."
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"With the advent of the internet, there appears to be a swelling tide of interest relating to the question as to whether the medieval Knights Templar in fact possessed the Holy Grail. The answer to this is a very simple one: There is no doubt whatsoever that the Templars possessed the Holy Grail.
The explanation behind this answer, unfortunately, remains somewhat complicated and, to a degree, very speculative. The key, as I have learned during the writing of The Labyrinth Of The Grail, is to constantly "look beyond" what appears at first to be the true answer. The simple reasoning is that why else would both the Church and State pursue the Templars to the far ends of the earth and torture them beyond compassion. Obviously, the accusations of blasmephy were only an excuse to justify their actions. It really doesn't take any skill to recognize that the inner circle of the Templars possessed something far more valuable than mere silver and gold - something that threatened the very being of the Church and State.
What the Templars possessed, and became sworn guardians of, was the unbroken line of "ancient knowledge" which among other things allowed the ancient mariner to circumnavigate the world. It is now coming to light that trade among the "Old World" and the "New World" had regularly occurred throughout the Neolithic to Roman eras by "societies who were in on the secret." Hints of these visits and settlement now appear to be revealing themselves through a variety of sources including classic mythology, Indian legend and maritime folklore, as well as through recent archaeological discoveries.
This knowledge was pure power. Societies that not only possessed the ability to track the sun, moon and the stars, but possessed the inherent wisdom to maintain the "secret" of being able to fix longitudinal positions long before it became common practice, were societies in constant danger of being exterminated. On the other hand, those societies who were able to exploit their advantage to the fullest such as the earliest Templars enjoyed a status rivaled by none.
In other words, the Templars, and those who came before them, were accorded the ability to "look beyond" standard Church dogma to places yet to be "discovered" - the mythical Otherworld.
Think about it for a moment. If you possessed an unlimited source of raw material, fertile land, and mineral wealth, would you reveal it to the world? No, I don't think that you would, especially if you were in the business of "brokering" peace among nations. The Templars would surely have considered this knowledge to be a "God-given gift." Thereby, the Templars would have considered themselves to be the guardians of a direct "conduit" between God and man. The Templars would have also believed that this conduit of knowledge straight from the heavens exposed itself through the Mysteries of Christ. To the Templars, this embodiment of heavenly knowledge was The Holy Grail."
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"The Templars would have also believed that this conduit of knowledge straight from the heavens exposed itself through the Mysteries of Christ. To the Templars, this embodiment of heavenly knowledge was The Holy Grail."
So you're still saying that Jesus and grail stories have nothing to do with each other
You're dead wrong
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Not at all. That is a quote. I believe that the Templars were gnostics. Gnosis meens "illuminated", or "knowing". The mysteries of Chrrist are actually very closely related to the Egyptian mystery schools. The embodiment of heavenly knowledge is much older than Christianity.
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I don't see how that changes the fact that the holy grail was the chalice used at the last supper
don't you watch indiana jones movies
hehehe
Of course! I love Indiana Jones.
The chalise is only the symbol.
BTW, ever been to Rossyln Chapel?
Cheers!
The chalise is only the symbol.
BTW, ever been to Rossyln Chapel?
Cheers!
QUOTE(DJ_Quinn @ May 12 2005, 01:05 PM)
Of course! I love Indiana Jones.
The chalise is only the symbol.
BTW, ever been to Rossyln Chapel?
Cheers!
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The chalise is only the symbol.
BTW, ever been to Rossyln Chapel?
Cheers!
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ah so the symbology is related to Jesus, not the story
that doesnt make much sense DJ
QUOTE(marduk @ May 12 2005, 12:48 PM)
QUOTE(DJ_Quinn @ May 12 2005, 01:05 PM)
Of course! I love Indiana Jones.
The chalise is only the symbol.
BTW, ever been to Rossyln Chapel?
Cheers!
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The chalise is only the symbol.
BTW, ever been to Rossyln Chapel?
Cheers!
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ah so the symbology is related to Jesus, not the story
that doesnt make much sense DJ
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In Celtic tradition, as well as Welsh, the ancient Britons, there are many legends involving cauldrons with life enhancing qualities which have at their core a mystical tradition.
Throughout Norman and Christian Arthurian legend, 'The Quest for the Holy Grail', or 'The Grail', is a search for a magical cup which brings enlightenment brought by Joseph of Arimathea to Britain. A few stories tell of the cup being brought by angels from heaven and given to sacred Knights, perhaps the Knights Templar.
Only the pure were said to have been able to approach the cup, anyone else approaching it would simply see it disappear before their eyes. We know that many of the stories accredited to the sacred vessel, known in early Anglo-Norman romances as the 'Graal' meaning a dish made from expensive metals and stones and equating to the Celtic 'Mowys' or 'Mias', have been developed through the spread of Christianity across Medieval Europe . There are ancient Welsh references to a sacred vessel, we find that it is the Cauldron that offers immortality and wisdom to those who drink from it.
As Christianity became established in Britain the Cauldron is rarely featured, being replaced by The Holy Grail. It has been suggested that this replacement, of one vessel for another, and the associated imagery, is the result of the attempt to eradicate what was called 'the pagan heresy'. Druidism, the Old Religion and pre-Christian practices would have been under threat. Whilst the Grail was linked with the priest and with order, the Cauldron was linked with the Keltic shaman, the possibility of chaos and as we know the ability to know the secrets of the past, present and future. This confronts Christianity with a major problem when only God is omnipotent. Such shamanic powers were evidence of the Devil's work and to be stopped. It seems that here the medieval Arthurian writers were to assist in the domination of one over the other, symbolic it is thought of planned sweeping changes made in the British Isles to religious practice and faith.
QUOTE(DJ_Quinn @ May 12 2005, 02:08 PM)
QUOTE(marduk @ May 12 2005, 12:48 PM)
QUOTE(DJ_Quinn @ May 12 2005, 01:05 PM)
Of course! I love Indiana Jones.
The chalise is only the symbol.
BTW, ever been to Rossyln Chapel?
Cheers!
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The chalise is only the symbol.
BTW, ever been to Rossyln Chapel?
Cheers!
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ah so the symbology is related to Jesus, not the story
that doesnt make much sense DJ
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In Celtic tradition, as well as Welsh, the ancient Britons, there are many legends involving cauldrons with life enhancing qualities which have at their core a mystical tradition.
Throughout Norman and Christian Arthurian legend, 'The Quest for the Holy Grail', or 'The Grail', is a search for a magical cup which brings enlightenment brought by Joseph of Arimathea to Britain. A few stories tell of the cup being brought by angels from heaven and given to sacred Knights, perhaps the Knights Templar.
Only the pure were said to have been able to approach the cup, anyone else approaching it would simply see it disappear before their eyes. We know that many of the stories accredited to the sacred vessel, known in early Anglo-Norman romances as the 'Graal' meaning a dish made from expensive metals and stones and equating to the Celtic 'Mowys' or 'Mias', have been developed through the spread of Christianity across Medieval Europe . There are ancient Welsh references to a sacred vessel, we find that it is the Cauldron that offers immortality and wisdom to those who drink from it.
As Christianity became established in Britain the Cauldron is rarely featured, being replaced by The Holy Grail. It has been suggested that this replacement, of one vessel for another, and the associated imagery, is the result of the attempt to eradicate what was called 'the pagan heresy'. Druidism, the Old Religion and pre-Christian practices would have been under threat. Whilst the Grail was linked with the priest and with order, the Cauldron was linked with the Keltic shaman, the possibility of chaos and as we know the ability to know the secrets of the past, present and future. This confronts Christianity with a major problem when only God is omnipotent. Such shamanic powers were evidence of the Devil's work and to be stopped. It seems that here the medieval Arthurian writers were to assist in the domination of one over the other, symbolic it is thought of planned sweeping changes made in the British Isles to religious practice and faith.
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what did you think of the recent king arthur movie DJ
did it do it for you
i think i can guess at the answer
I don't think anyone thought anything of that movie. blech
I didn't bother to go see it, but I do want to see "Kingdom of God", the new one about the crusades.
QUOTE(DJ_Quinn @ May 13 2005, 07:45 AM)
I didn't bother to go see it, but I do want to see "Kingdom of God", the new one about the crusades.
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you didn't miss anything
i'm downloading "kingdom of heaven" as we speak though i can't but help think it would be better with someone a little more macho than orlando bloom in the lead role,
don't get me wrong i think he makes an excellent elf
but a fanatical blood drenched crusader
no
i don't think so
What about that person who died in the woods near rail-road tracks in utica newyork? some people claim a werewolf tore him apart (i don't know how to spell tore ... 
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Someone needs to tell this Invader Zim Believer that it's not polite to necropost without a good reason.
--Jaylemurph
--Jaylemurph
What about the mysterys, of the south american and egyptan pyramids along with most megalithic buildings being far older than we think, an the fact that we dont really know who built these structures, to save an argument here we know the Egyptans built the pyramids. but look at other structures around the golbe and the builders remain a mystery.
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