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pallidin

Thanks, wolf, I appreciate your comments.
pallidin
QUOTE(JMPD1 @ Jun 2 2005, 11:20 AM)
And, again, I ask, who gives you, or me, the authority to say who can or cannot be together?

30 years ago, interracial couples were forbidden by law in certain parts of the country.  The people who were against such 'mixing of the races' claimed that "it wasn't natural, and against gods will".

Would you vote for or against a law that regulated who can get married based on 'race'?
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I would strongly vote against a law that forbids inter-racial marriage.
Irish
We should not concentrate on who is dishonoring God but on what we do to honor Him!.
This is what I received trough earnest prayer on the subject.
Irish
eckogangsta
Isnt there one part of the bible that says everyone will feel uncomfortable naked (a punishment to mankind because of adam and eve)
I take it Tom Green and the guys from "Jack ass" are exempt from this?
brittish_gurl
Does it matter? If "God" made all of us then he made us gay in some way too...... I mean gay people don't really have an option.... just like straight people.... it just happens.... you can't just force yourself into doing something...... and if you do, I think the lord should love you for who you are and what he made of you..... so If he sends you to hell for being gay...... then he's not so great after all........
hyperactive
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To many people dont realize how lucky we have it- being able to do what we want, when we want, how we want to, etc...We have so many privledges in this world, and we take them for granted, take advantage of them, and most of the time it isnt good enough and want more (society on a whole).
So, I feel gay marriage should not be legalized, because that is like saying it is ok, and I do not feel it is.


well, homosexuals are not so free to do what they want if society deems them not equal to hetrosexuals by denying them the same privilages. yes.gif
brittish_gurl
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Jun 2 2005, 11:53 AM)
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To many people dont realize how lucky we have it- being able to do what we want, when we want, how we want to, etc...We have so many privledges in this world, and we take them for granted, take advantage of them, and most of the time it isnt good enough and want more (society on a whole).
So, I feel gay marriage should not be legalized, because that is like saying it is ok, and I do not feel it is.


well, homosexuals are not so free to do what they want if society deems them not equal to hetrosexuals by denying them the same privilages. yes.gif
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And frankly....... America sucks.....
SRIHeidiL
QUOTE(JMPD1 @ Jun 2 2005, 12:20 PM)
And, again, I ask, who gives you, or me, the authority to say who can or cannot be together?

30 years ago, interracial couples were forbidden by law in certain parts of the country.  The people who were against such 'mixing of the races' claimed that "it wasn't natural, and against gods will".

Would you vote for or against a law that regulated who can get married based on 'race'?
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I agree- no one has the right to control anyone...like Jesus said "let those who are without sin cast the first stone..."
But i do believe there needs to be an authority to uphold our creator's desires, as well as what is morally right and wrong, etc...
Let people be with who they want to be with, but the government should not give an ok or certificate of it, because it is like saying it is ok. And it is not (according to the Bible) and most of the government beliefs, standings, etc...weer founded on God...the dollar bill says "in God We Trust" ...should that even be on there if we do not follow/trust what we display as a motto?
Inter-racial is not forbidden in the Bible, though, and that was just ignorance by people. This is Biblical. But to those who dont know of or believe in, the Bible, it doesnt matter wither way, I guess. I have found, that with almost all people- if it works for them, they are ok with it...if it doesnt, they dont like it.
SRIHeidiL
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Jun 2 2005, 04:53 PM)
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To many people dont realize how lucky we have it- being able to do what we want, when we want, how we want to, etc...We have so many privledges in this world, and we take them for granted, take advantage of them, and most of the time it isnt good enough and want more (society on a whole).
So, I feel gay marriage should not be legalized, because that is like saying it is ok, and I do not feel it is.


well, homosexuals are not so free to do what they want if society deems them not equal to hetrosexuals by denying them the same privilages. yes.gif
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Homosexuality seems to be "accepted" nowadays. Just because some states dont allow them to get married, doesnt mean they arent accepted. They can go in bathromms they wanted, ride anywhere on a bud, go to whatever school they want, etc...In communist countries, they can barely do a fraction of what we do. People dont realize how good we have it- until they go to other countries and see...
Homosexuals get a lot of privledges...why? Because they are gay? I dont get it? Towns, like Milwaukee, even have "Pride Fest" -a parade. Why do they get a parade? Because they can have sex with the same sex? I dont get it.
Now please, know I am ok with people being gay...but in my faith, it is wrong, and I agree with that. I do things that are wrong too- swear, say God's name in vain, etc...so, I will not cast any stones. I am just stating how I feel about privledges, and explaining whatthe Bible says...Gay or straight- if you treat me with respect, I will treat you with respect.
SRIHeidiL
QUOTE(brittish_gurl @ Jun 2 2005, 04:55 PM)
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Jun 2 2005, 11:53 AM)
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To many people dont realize how lucky we have it- being able to do what we want, when we want, how we want to, etc...We have so many privledges in this world, and we take them for granted, take advantage of them, and most of the time it isnt good enough and want more (society on a whole).
So, I feel gay marriage should not be legalized, because that is like saying it is ok, and I do not feel it is.


well, homosexuals are not so free to do what they want if society deems them not equal to hetrosexuals by denying them the same privilages. yes.gif
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And frankly....... America sucks.....
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That is soooo a matter of opinion. I beg to differ....
But we are all entitled to our opinion. I think all places have its good points and bad.
hyperactive
QUOTE(SRIHeidiL @ Jun 3 2005, 10:31 AM)
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Jun 2 2005, 04:53 PM)
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To many people dont realize how lucky we have it- being able to do what we want, when we want, how we want to, etc...We have so many privledges in this world, and we take them for granted, take advantage of them, and most of the time it isnt good enough and want more (society on a whole).
So, I feel gay marriage should not be legalized, because that is like saying it is ok, and I do not feel it is.


well, homosexuals are not so free to do what they want if society deems them not equal to hetrosexuals by denying them the same privilages. yes.gif
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Homosexuality seems to be "accepted" nowadays. Just because some states dont allow them to get married, doesnt mean they arent accepted. They can go in bathromms they wanted, ride anywhere on a bud, go to whatever school they want, etc...In communist countries, they can barely do a fraction of what we do. People dont realize how good we have it- until they go to other countries and see...
Homosexuals get a lot of privledges...why? Because they are gay? I dont get it? Towns, like Milwaukee, even have "Pride Fest" -a parade. Why do they get a parade? Because they can have sex with the same sex? I dont get it.
Now please, know I am ok with people being gay...but in my faith, it is wrong, and I agree with that. I do things that are wrong too- swear, say God's name in vain, etc...so, I will not cast any stones. I am just stating how I feel about privledges, and explaining whatthe Bible says...Gay or straight- if you treat me with respect, I will treat you with respect.
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the wording of my first quote from you made me think you were saying something in the lines of "we are all equal execpt under the law". in other words, you don't care what other people are doing in their bedrooms so long is it not harming anybody else, but you do care if it is in any way brought out of the bedroom (like in homosexuals wanting the same treatment publicly as hetrosexuals via marriage, death benefits, etc)
JMPD1
QUOTE(SRIHeidiL @ Jun 3 2005, 01:31 PM)
Homosexuality seems to be "accepted" nowadays. Just because some states dont allow them to get married, doesnt mean they arent accepted. They can go in bathromms they wanted, ride anywhere on a bud, go to whatever school they want, etc...In communist countries, they can barely do a fraction of what we do. People dont realize how good we have it- until they go to other countries and see...
Homosexuals get a lot of privledges...why? Because they are gay? I dont get it? Towns, like Milwaukee, even have "Pride Fest" -a parade. Why do they get a parade? Because they can have sex with the same sex? I dont get it.
Now please, know I am ok with people being gay...but in my faith, it is wrong, and I agree with that. I do things that are wrong too- swear, say God's name in vain, etc...so, I will not cast any stones. I am just stating how I feel about privledges, and explaining whatthe Bible says...Gay or straight- if you treat me with respect, I will treat you with respect.
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Homosexuals get a lot of privledges...why? Because they are gay? I dont get it?


Privileges? What privileges do they get?

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Towns, like Milwaukee, even have "Pride Fest" -a parade.


You do realize that most parades, whether for Gay Pride, St Patricks, or Thanksgiving aren't a function of government, but are organized by private groups? So we should eliminate the Puerto Rican day parade in NYC? I mean, why should they get a parade?

You say you are "OK" with gays, but your statements don't match. You would "respect" them, as long as they don't try to act like "normal" people. Let them stay hidden in the shadows, denied the basic rights of any citizen, hell, why don't we make them wear pink triangles in public so we know who they are?


And, just for the record: Yes it does say "In God We Trust" on our money, but, it doesn't say "In The Christian God We Trust". That is the reason we have the separation of church and state: So no one religion gets preferential treatment at the expense of any other.

So, should we adopt laws that reflect a Buddhist slant? Or how about Hindu? Of course, the beef industry would be in serious danger.
wolftrax
QUOTE(SRIHeidiL @ Jun 3 2005, 10:26 AM)
QUOTE(JMPD1 @ Jun 2 2005, 12:20 PM)
And, again, I ask, who gives you, or me, the authority to say who can or cannot be together?

30 years ago, interracial couples were forbidden by law in certain parts of the country.  The people who were against such 'mixing of the races' claimed that "it wasn't natural, and against gods will".

Would you vote for or against a law that regulated who can get married based on 'race'?
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I agree- no one has the right to control anyone...like Jesus said "let those who are without sin cast the first stone..."
But i do believe there needs to be an authority to uphold our creator's desires, as well as what is morally right and wrong, etc...
Let people be with who they want to be with, but the government should not give an ok or certificate of it, because it is like saying it is ok. And it is not (according to the Bible) and most of the government beliefs, standings, etc...weer founded on God...the dollar bill says "in God We Trust" ...should that even be on there if we do not follow/trust what we display as a motto?
Inter-racial is not forbidden in the Bible, though, and that was just ignorance by people. This is Biblical. But to those who dont know of or believe in, the Bible, it doesnt matter wither way, I guess. I have found, that with almost all people- if it works for them, they are ok with it...if it doesnt, they dont like it.
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Andthr government should make decisions based on which religion? Let me guess, christianity. Yeah, the $ bill say "In God we trust" but almost every religion has a different name for God, and has different views on what "God's words" are. Our country was founded on freedom of religion, as well as not letting "The Church" rule the people.

Thank God for separation of church and state!
Ashley-Star*Child
People getting Cancer from smoking??? Interracial relationships/marriages outlawed??? WTF are you people on?? I LOVE smoking, and I damn well believe in God. What I DON'T believe in is DOGMA. Smoking, for one, like homosexuality, and all the myriads of different sexual avctivities people do, have been around since the BEGINNING OF TIME. All it says in th Bible, in reference to the EGYPTIAN practices (and thy had LESBIANISM also and ther is NOTHING in the entire Bible which says anything about the female side of it) is 'Don't lie with a man as you would lie with a woman'. This is very specifically talking about anal sex, something that BOTH sexes practice, not the actual relationship. I can agree that that practice of sex isn't something I'd ever personally want to try, but it's not my business what other people do, and on top of that it wasn't like a COMMANDMENT. You do know the difference between the Commandements and gerneral 'shouldn't do's' right? EVERYONE breaks a law, are thy immediately going to hell? Judgement isn't made by man, and I highly doubt there's anyone alive that hasn't broken one of those laws at some time in their lives.

Now, as for smoking, tobacco, marijuana, whatever, this has ALSO been around since the beginning of time, and there is NOTHING in the entire Bible telling people NOT to smoke. God Himself eats and breathes fire (go back to that little sextion in Exodus you people are quoting from and you'll find one of the MANY references for this thumbsup.gif) and while that's not smoking, I doubt God has a problem with it tongue.gif

Smoking causing Cancer is OVER-RATED. In the 80's they did tests on twins, one smoking, one not, to test if it caused cancer. Guess what IT DIDN'T. It DID however, in a few cases cause BRONCHITIS.

Now, inter-racial marriages, EXCUSE ME?! I personally have been involved in several inter-racial relationships, one of which I was engaged to an Afrian American. Now, let me tell you, NOWHERE in the entire Bible does it say anything about the race you marry. In fact, again in that same area of the Bible it talks about marrying foreigners etc.

AIDs from homosexuality. No, last I heard it was released by the U.S. government though a monkey into Africa to kill off 3rd world 'liabilities'. That however, is a 'conspiracy theory' but I wouldn't be surprised.

THINK before you judge. What happened to you on a personal basis, is sad, and has obviously scarred you. However, it's not an excuse for prejudice.
Kat_Kloud
QUOTE(JMPD1 @ Jun 3 2005, 05:21 PM)
QUOTE(SRIHeidiL @ Jun 3 2005, 01:31 PM)
Homosexuality seems to be "accepted" nowadays. Just because some states dont allow them to get married, doesnt mean they arent accepted. They can go in bathromms they wanted, ride anywhere on a bud, go to whatever school they want, etc...In communist countries, they can barely do a fraction of what we do. People dont realize how good we have it- until they go to other countries and see...
Homosexuals get a lot of privledges...why? Because they are gay? I dont get it? Towns, like Milwaukee, even have "Pride Fest" -a parade. Why do they get a parade? Because they can have sex with the same sex? I dont get it.
Now please, know I am ok with people being gay...but in my faith, it is wrong, and I agree with that. I do things that are wrong too- swear, say God's name in vain, etc...so, I will not cast any stones. I am just stating how I feel about privledges, and explaining whatthe Bible says...Gay or straight- if you treat me with respect, I will treat you with respect.
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Homosexuals get a lot of privledges...why? Because they are gay? I dont get it?


Privileges? What privileges do they get?

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Towns, like Milwaukee, even have "Pride Fest" -a parade.


You do realize that most parades, whether for Gay Pride, St Patricks, or Thanksgiving aren't a function of government, but are organized by private groups? So we should eliminate the Puerto Rican day parade in NYC? I mean, why should they get a parade?

You say you are "OK" with gays, but your statements don't match. You would "respect" them, as long as they don't try to act like "normal" people. Let them stay hidden in the shadows, denied the basic rights of any citizen, hell, why don't we make them wear pink triangles in public so we know who they are?


And, just for the record: Yes it does say "In God We Trust" on our money, but, it doesn't say "In The Christian God We Trust". That is the reason we have the separation of church and state: So no one religion gets preferential treatment at the expense of any other.

So, should we adopt laws that reflect a Buddhist slant? Or how about Hindu? Of course, the beef industry would be in serious danger.
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Kat_Kloud
Is there anyone here who follows a religion that *isn't* christianity? Is so, what do your teachings say about this matter?
TaintedDoughnuts
QUOTE(JMPD1 @ Jun 3 2005, 05:21 PM)
And, just for the record:  Yes it does say "In God We Trust" on our money, but, it doesn't say "In The Christian God We Trust".  That is the reason we have the separation of church and state:  So no one religion gets preferential treatment at the expense of any other.

So, should we adopt laws that reflect a Buddhist slant?  Or how about Hindu?  Of course, the beef industry would be in serious danger.
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well, in public schools, students are taught the pillars of islam, how to do zen, basics of shinto, buddhism, etc. but not ONCE did i learn of the ten commandments, of Jesus, or anything related to the Bible. you call that not having preferential treatment over another religion?
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The case originated when 11 Christians with Repent America began preaching and singing at Outfest, a homosexual street event. The Christians, led by Repent America founder Michael Marcavage, were surrounded by the Pink Angels, a group of homosexuals who held up Styrofoam signs, blocking the Christians. Police arrested only the Christians. After viewing a videotape of the incident at the December 14 hearing, Municipal Court Judge William Austin Meehan dropped charges against seven other defendants, including a 17-year-old girl and a 72-year-old grandmother.

The remaining charges against four men seemed to stem from whether the judge saw them singing, holding a sign or preaching from the Bible.

"Police only forwarded an obstructing charge. It was the prosecutor's office that elevated this into three felonies and five misdemeanors," said American Family Association attorney Brian Fahling, who is representing the defendants, to Concerned Women for America (CWA).


is this what you call not having preferential treatment over another religion? unsure.gif dontgetit.gif sad.gif
hyperactive
@td, maybe it is for the same reason they have "women's studies" at university!
TaintedDoughnuts
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Jun 3 2005, 08:42 PM)
@td, maybe it is for the same reason they have "women's studies" at university!
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i dont get it... hmm.gif maybe im just dumb like that...
hyperactive
they teach the alternative perspectives to round out the picture...

women's studies allows for a study from a woman's perspective. the opposite of course being the male dominated history.

with christianity on every streetcorner, teaching all the other beliefs ensures that the minorities that otherwise students may not learn about or have false impressions of get taught. it is a battle against intolorance and ignorance.
Ashley-Star*Child
An allround picture? No, if they wanted an 'allround picture' they'd teach EVERY religion. I just heard about a kid being banned from school (arrested even) for doing the sign of the cross during a lunch break. Now that's what I call ignorance and prejudice, and it's coming from BOTH sides of the coin, people like palladin that think homosexuals/interracial couples and smokers should be outlawed, and people who think Judeo-Christianity should be outlawed, especially in schools. Free country my ass, the same happens here. 'Sorry Jimmy, there's no Christmas play/decorations/activities this year because it pisses off minority groups and athiests'. Christmas never killed no one. Some peopl ould sooner smugly allow a Ramadon festival solely because it's not Christian.
hyperactive
ok... the christmas thing i am aware of. even up here in canada there have been movements to remove the word christmas from the vocabulary. now it is just "the holidays".

not that i care though because i never really felt comfortable having people wish me merry christmas when it has nothing to do with me!

i can see how you feel though. you see yourself as loosing something to make way for others. that happens everytime change comes about. there is always someone that has to sacrifice something. christians had it all for so long though, why not give up a bit of the established dominance? it doesn't hurt anybody, does it? (i am asking honestly, not as a "skeptic").
SRIHeidiL
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Jun 3 2005, 01:58 PM)
QUOTE(SRIHeidiL @ Jun 3 2005, 10:31 AM)
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Jun 2 2005, 04:53 PM)
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To many people dont realize how lucky we have it- being able to do what we want, when we want, how we want to, etc...We have so many privledges in this world, and we take them for granted, take advantage of them, and most of the time it isnt good enough and want more (society on a whole).
So, I feel gay marriage should not be legalized, because that is like saying it is ok, and I do not feel it is.


well, homosexuals are not so free to do what they want if society deems them not equal to hetrosexuals by denying them the same privilages. yes.gif
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Homosexuality seems to be "accepted" nowadays. Just because some states dont allow them to get married, doesnt mean they arent accepted. They can go in bathromms they wanted, ride anywhere on a bud, go to whatever school they want, etc...In communist countries, they can barely do a fraction of what we do. People dont realize how good we have it- until they go to other countries and see...
Homosexuals get a lot of privledges...why? Because they are gay? I dont get it? Towns, like Milwaukee, even have "Pride Fest" -a parade. Why do they get a parade? Because they can have sex with the same sex? I dont get it.
Now please, know I am ok with people being gay...but in my faith, it is wrong, and I agree with that. I do things that are wrong too- swear, say God's name in vain, etc...so, I will not cast any stones. I am just stating how I feel about privledges, and explaining whatthe Bible says...Gay or straight- if you treat me with respect, I will treat you with respect.
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the wording of my first quote from you made me think you were saying something in the lines of "we are all equal execpt under the law". in other words, you don't care what other people are doing in their bedrooms so long is it not harming anybody else, but you do care if it is in any way brought out of the bedroom (like in homosexuals wanting the same treatment publicly as hetrosexuals via marriage, death benefits, etc)
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I dont care how the law views it, I dont care how my mom views it, I dont care how I view it... it is how God views it. I'm an average, everyday person, but I am trying to live my life strong in the Word. I agree with God and His Word (the Bible) in everything, and I try to live for Him best I can. I feel what the Bible has to say, what Jesus said, is right. And I have always been the kind of person who likes people for who they are- not their sexual preferences. God says homosexuality is a sin, but we are supposed to love everyone like a brother and sister. I do. Just like, God also says stealing is a sin...when my bestfriend shoplifted, I wasnt thrilled with her, but, I didnt stop being her friend. God says we arent supposed to drink to the point of drunkeness, but many of my years I did. Now I dont, but I have friends that do. I'm not going to stop being friends with them or think any less of them because of it.
The law says we arent all equal, though. Habitual criminals will lose rights when they continue to break the law- if they cant act like abiding citizens, then they will lose some rights. I think that is fair. And in a way, I think God looks down on us the same. But when criminals find rehibilitation, they are changed and view and live life differently. The same thing with people who truly find God.
Just a viewpoint. Not writtent o offend anyone.
SRIHeidiL
QUOTE(JMPD1 @ Jun 3 2005, 07:21 PM)
QUOTE(SRIHeidiL @ Jun 3 2005, 01:31 PM)
Homosexuality seems to be "accepted" nowadays. Just because some states dont allow them to get married, doesnt mean they arent accepted. They can go in bathromms they wanted, ride anywhere on a bud, go to whatever school they want, etc...In communist countries, they can barely do a fraction of what we do. People dont realize how good we have it- until they go to other countries and see...
Homosexuals get a lot of privledges...why? Because they are gay? I dont get it? Towns, like Milwaukee, even have "Pride Fest" -a parade. Why do they get a parade? Because they can have sex with the same sex? I dont get it.
Now please, know I am ok with people being gay...but in my faith, it is wrong, and I agree with that. I do things that are wrong too- swear, say God's name in vain, etc...so, I will not cast any stones. I am just stating how I feel about privledges, and explaining whatthe Bible says...Gay or straight- if you treat me with respect, I will treat you with respect.
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Homosexuals get a lot of privledges...why? Because they are gay? I dont get it?



Privileges? What privileges do they get?

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Towns, like Milwaukee, even have "Pride Fest" -a parade.


You do realize that most parades, whether for Gay Pride, St Patricks, or Thanksgiving aren't a function of government, but are organized by private groups? So we should eliminate the Puerto Rican day parade in NYC? I mean, why should they get a parade?

You say you are "OK" with gays, but your statements don't match. You would "respect" them, as long as they don't try to act like "normal" people. Let them stay hidden in the shadows, denied the basic rights of any citizen, hell, why don't we make them wear pink triangles in public so we know who they are?


And, just for the record: Yes it does say "In God We Trust" on our money, but, it doesn't say "In The Christian God We Trust". That is the reason we have the separation of church and state: So no one religion gets preferential treatment at the expense of any other.

So, should we adopt laws that reflect a Buddhist slant? Or how about Hindu? Of course, the beef industry would be in serious danger.
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Yes, I know that...but they have to go through a series of applications and acceptances by the town ort city and sometimes state government in order to hold these events and such. And then the police department is called in to keep picketing and protesting down, and riots usually start. I dont understand why they want or need a parade, or festivals...wmployers and schools have to tip toe around homosexuals because of their sexuality, because if something goes wrong, "wolf" is often cried and somehow it always turnes into a gay-bashing issue...Society and activists have made it that way.
So, should I start a "hetersexual" parade and festival? Thats just silly. What is so big about sexual orientation? Why make such a big deal out of it? I dont want to know who you're in bed with- a man or woman.
I guess what I am saying is confusing. I will try to explain.
I am ok with people, no matter who they love or sleep with. I am ok with the PEOPLE, not the act. I dont feel homosexuality is natural or right. BUT, I do not sit there and preach or judge about it. If you walk up to me, I am not going to ask if you are gay or not. Whoever you are to me, I am to you. And if you ask me "I am gay- does it bother you?" I will say no, because it doesnt bother ME. It bothers God. I am a sinner, and things I do bothers God, too. Because of my personal beliefs in the ACT, I do not feel it should be, but it is. Therefore, instead of trying to change it and make a big deal out of it either way, I ignore it, and let God handle what He will. I will always be honest with my views, and see and view people by how they treat me, not what they do in their bedroom.
I hope that explained my viewpoint better?

SRIHeidiL
QUOTE(wolftrax @ Jun 3 2005, 07:43 PM)
QUOTE(SRIHeidiL @ Jun 3 2005, 10:26 AM)
QUOTE(JMPD1 @ Jun 2 2005, 12:20 PM)
And, again, I ask, who gives you, or me, the authority to say who can or cannot be together?

30 years ago, interracial couples were forbidden by law in certain parts of the country.  The people who were against such 'mixing of the races' claimed that "it wasn't natural, and against gods will".

Would you vote for or against a law that regulated who can get married based on 'race'?
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I agree- no one has the right to control anyone...like Jesus said "let those who are without sin cast the first stone..."
But i do believe there needs to be an authority to uphold our creator's desires, as well as what is morally right and wrong, etc...
Let people be with who they want to be with, but the government should not give an ok or certificate of it, because it is like saying it is ok. And it is not (according to the Bible) and most of the government beliefs, standings, etc...weer founded on God...the dollar bill says "in God We Trust" ...should that even be on there if we do not follow/trust what we display as a motto?
Inter-racial is not forbidden in the Bible, though, and that was just ignorance by people. This is Biblical. But to those who dont know of or believe in, the Bible, it doesnt matter wither way, I guess. I have found, that with almost all people- if it works for them, they are ok with it...if it doesnt, they dont like it.
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Andthr government should make decisions based on which religion? Let me guess, christianity. Yeah, the $ bill say "In God we trust" but almost every religion has a different name for God, and has different views on what "God's words" are. Our country was founded on freedom of religion, as well as not letting "The Church" rule the people.

Thank God for separation of church and state!
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Thats why this country is so great- because we dont get shot for having different beliefs and "gods".
But when our forefathers made the Constitution, and the dollar bill was made, there was no other God intended but the one the Bible referred to. As time went on, population grew, rights increased, and peple expanded their views, beliefs and religion was one of those.
The world is the way it is supposed to be- so that we can make choices, and I strongly believe we will have to answer for all those choices- you, me- everybody- whether it be homosexuality or something else.
I do what I feel it right, and by what I have learned from my personal experiences. You do what you feel is right. Justbecause I dont agree with something doesnt mean I dont care about people.
This debate can go on and on, and to me it is getting old. I am not trying to convert anyone's way of thinking...well, if it were to happen, I'd be happy lol If I could get one person angry enough to want to prove me wrong, that they cared enough to take the Bible, and sincerely put their pride aside and pray to God with all their heart, for an answer, then I guess I did my job as one of God's people.
I'll end my posting about all this here.
Super Pancake
QUOTE(SRIHeidiL @ Jun 4 2005, 07:01 AM)
Thats why this country is so great- because we dont get shot for having different beliefs and "gods".
But when our forefathers made the Constitution, and the dollar bill was made, there was no other God intended but the one the Bible referred to. As time went on, population grew, rights increased, and peple expanded their views, beliefs and religion was one of those.
The world is the way it is supposed to be- so that we can make choices, and I strongly believe we will have to answer for all those choices- you, me- everybody- whether it be homosexuality or something else.
I do what I feel it right, and by what I have learned from my personal experiences. You do what you feel is right. Justbecause I dont agree with something doesnt mean I dont care about people.
This debate can go on and on, and to me it is getting old. I am not trying to convert anyone's way of thinking...well, if it were to happen, I'd be happy lol  If I could get one person angry enough to want to prove me wrong, that they cared enough to take the Bible, and sincerely put their pride aside and pray to God with all their heart, for an answer, then I guess I did my job as one of God's people.
I'll end my posting about all this here.
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Our forefarthers where freemasons, they did not believe one word of the bible, but they were Deist. but they were smart enough to know that the average soldier believed in God so they rallied the troops and said fight under God for your freedom laugh.gif anyway the rest is history!
wolftrax
QUOTE(SRIHeidiL)
But when our forefathers made the Constitution, and the dollar bill was made, there was no other God intended but the one the Bible referred to.


Other views and religions existed at that time, older than christianity, here in this country long before the constitution. Whatever the founding fathers meant it for is irrelevant, they also said all men are equal yet kept slaves.


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I'd be happy lol  If I could get one person angry enough to want to prove me wrong, that they cared enough to take the Bible, and sincerely put their pride aside and pray to God with all their heart, for an answer,


Are you telling me you actually prayed to God and got an answer on whether homosexuality is wrong? What happened? What was the exact answer?
Ashley-Star*Child
Hyperactive,

If people really want equality with religious faith it has to be for ALL religious faith. Technically, Christmas is as much a cultural celebration in many countries as it is a religious one, and fr those that are bothered by the religious side of it, they can treat it as a holiday. We have Chinese New Year celebrated here, the Queen's Birthday, etc. It's culture, a holiday, it's not about dominance.

Now about religions 'older than Christianity'. Christianity is an update on Judaism. Jesus was, and practiced Judaism, there was no Christianity then. The rules He changed in Judaism became the future Christianity, and Judaism has been around for thousands upon thousands of years in both oral and written tradition. So, therefore, while Christianity may be fairly 'new', it's roots are most definantly not.

Apparition
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QUOTE(hyperactive @ Jun 2 2005, 11:53 AM)
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To many people dont realize how lucky we have it- being able to do what we want, when we want, how we want to, etc...We have so many privledges in this world, and we take them for granted, take advantage of them, and most of the time it isnt good enough and want more (society on a whole).
So, I feel gay marriage should not be legalized, because that is like saying it is ok, and I do not feel it is.


well, homosexuals are not so free to do what they want if society deems them not equal to hetrosexuals by denying them the same privilages. yes.gif
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And frankly....... America sucks.....
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Sorry to get off topic but...

What a well thought out, mature comment.
The guy in your avatar is an american.

These people who put down america are worse than the americans they hate.
Thanks for sharing.
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I have had many gay friends. I am male and have had male gay friends.
I dont care what anyone else does as long as they leave me out of it.
If you truly believe someone is gonna burn in hell for having intercourse with the same sex, then let 'em. Why would that matter to you?

I am a believer in god and the bible but i just really cant care about people who do things the wrong way. (Not implying being gay is wrong, hell i really dont know the real answer, nor do i care since i love my wife)

Just do what your gonna do and be ready for consequences (if any).

Live. Worrying is just gonna kill ya sooner.
Amalgamut
QUOTE(brittish_gurl @ Jun 2 2005, 03:55 PM)
And frankly....... America sucks.....
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Without "America" you would be speaking German right now. Just remember that before you make such immature comments.
Loge
When would ignoramuses comprehend that human life is not the outcome of a Sperm with human manure?

Is not perhaps AIDS enough reason to makes us understand that human manure cannot be mixed with our human seed?

Human Fecophobia is not prejudice but common sense!

Human manure effluvia are dangerous for the brain. More specifically, it is more dangerous than any drug taken through the mouth. If the body excreted it, is because it is not good for our organism.

The danger lies in that most of people ignore the consequences of anal intercourse; since this behavior is also very common not only among homosexuals but also among heterosexual couples. wacko.gif

Whether you are religious or atheist, your human excrement is a waste material that when intermingled in the sexual act pollutes our human seed and consequently humanity when the sexual act is improperly done.

Not a single civilization in the past thought that human excrement is positive for our health.

Fatal illnesses will be the outcome from allowing the crossing of our human filth with our human sperms; this is how we will attract those putrescent particles of disease which are ever present in our excrement into our bodies.

Just remember that the brain is not a toilet where simply filth can be dumped by means of anal intercourse.

People ignore the benefits of a proper healthy intercourse they do not want to comprehend this from a healthy point of view. w00t.gif
hyperactive
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Human Fecophobia is not prejudice but common sense!


i always look forward to reading another post from loge!:rofl: rofl.gif rofl.gif rofl.gif rofl.gif

(our views are frigheningly similar, although our semantics differ and our def of 'orgins' are opposite)
Mr. Fahrenheit
I find it ridiculous that people say homosexuality is wrong. There is nothing wrong with it. I'm not gay, but if I were, it would be because I was born that way. No one would really choose to be gay, because that's like saying "Hey, come hate me!". You are not allowed to tell anyone else what to do, and the bible (or any other religious thing) has NOTHING to do with creating laws, or if it does, it should not. This country and idealistically the world is based on trying to have everyone be equal. I don't believe in god, but If i did, it wouldn't change my beliefs. The bible was written thousands of years ago, in ignorance in hate, in the haze of wine and lunacy, so it's not exactly a credible source.
Frankly, I'm tired of people saying what other people can and can't do.
The whole idea of Homosexuality being outlawed is completely ridiculous. You can't outlaw a totally harmless behavior.
If it's two consenting adults, I do not care what happens. The only sick thing here is people descriminating against people against the way they were born.
Is their next crusade going to be against the left-handed people?
hyperactive
up: very true, but religion is about control, and christianity as an organized religion does it so well! it tell syou to not be everything you are by nature, and to feel guilty about it. and what then to do? run to the church of course! it is all built ot maintian control.

as for the left-handedness.... you are aware the original meaining of sinister is left-handedness? never underedtimate the levels of disctimination that will be used to obtain and maintain power!
Mr. Fahrenheit
Well said, hyperactive. Religion is about telling you what to do and keeping you in it, as long as the collection plate remains full.
laugh.gif I never knew that about "sinister"
If you really think about it, the base of Christianity is this: "If it feels good, It's a sin and you will burn and die you sinner we hate you die."
Ashley-Star*Child
Uh, for once I actually agree with Loge blink.gif Like I said before, it's not something I'd personally ever want to try, and it was talking about that specific ACT, not the nature of relationship, which today both sexes get involved with.

Technically, a gay relationship doesn't have to include that particular act, but I'm not going to judge someone who does, like I said, it's just not something I'd ever want to try.
Ashley-Star*Child
Oh and what's this about left-handedness? I WAS left-handed but I got 'converted'....I still wear my watch on the right side though. Don't discriminate my handedness...or I'll show you sinister....tongue.gif
Loge
QUOTE(UniversalParadox @ Jun 6 2005, 05:54 PM)
I find it ridiculous that people say homosexuality is wrong. There is nothing wrong with it. I'm not gay, but if I were, it would be because I was born that way. No one would really choose to be gay, because that's like saying "Hey, come hate me!".  You are not allowed to tell anyone else what to do, and the bible (or any other religious thing) has NOTHING to do with creating laws, or if it does, it should not. This country and idealistically the world is based on trying to have everyone be equal. I don't believe in god, but If i did, it wouldn't change my beliefs. The bible was written thousands of years ago, in ignorance in hate, in the haze of wine and lunacy, so it's not exactly a credible source.
Frankly, I'm tired of people saying what other people can and can't do.
The whole idea of Homosexuality being outlawed is completely ridiculous. You can't outlaw a totally harmless behavior.
If it's two consenting adults, I do not care what happens. The only sick thing here is people descriminating against people against the way they were born.
Is their next crusade going to be against the left-handed people?
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I find it ridiculous that people say that degeneration (the process of declining from a higher to a lower level of a generative power or essential natural vitality) is wrong. There is nothing wrong with it. I'm not degenerated, but if I were, it would be because I was generated that way. No one would really choose to be degenerated, because that's like saying "Hey, come regenerate me!". You are not allowed to tell anyone else what to do, and the bible (or any other religious thing) has NOTHING to do with insane degenerating laws, or if it does, it should not. This country and idealistically the world is based on trying to have everyone be equally degenerated. I don't believe in a generative power, but If I did, it wouldn't change my beliefs on degeneration. The bible was written thousands of years ago, in ignorance of degeneration, in hate of degeneration, in the haze of the wine of light and not lunacy, so it's exactly a credible source. wacko.gif
Frankly, I'm not patient with people that say what other people can and can't do.
The whole idea of degeneration being outlawed is completely ridiculous. You can't outlaw a totally a hell harmless behavior. wacko.gif
If it's two consenting degenerated adults, I do not care what happens. The only sick thing here is people discriminating against anal sex against the way they were born.
Is their next crusade going to be against the left-handed priests? wacko.gif

Generation: All of the offspring that are at the same stage of descent from a common ancestor.
The human act or process of generating; origination, production, or procreation by means of the union of a masculine and feminine gametes. w00t.gif

Degeneration: Medicine - Gradual deterioration of specific tissues, cells, or organs (i.e. brain) with corresponding impairment or loss of function, caused by abuse, injury, disease, or aging. w00t.gif
Biology The devolutionary process of loosing a normal function, characteristic, or structure in an organism or a species. w00t.gif
GoddessWhispers
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"If God had wanted me otherwise, He would have created me otherwise."  ~Johann von Goethe


The bible was written by men. It was edited by councils. It was co-mingled with the testaments of other generations, emboldened with characters resembling the icon's of faiths far older and titled as a new testament. It was bound under the authority of a perverted, blood mongering pervert named, King James, and it has been the progenitor of; slavery, misogyny, racism, class-ism, segregation, murder, matricide, patricide, genocide, and bigotry, ever since. Wars have been fought in it's prayerful shadow. Clergy have blessed the bullet's and bombs and sent women and men to war to die and boldly violate the 6th commandment because god is an American! (or any another Nationality you'd like to insert).

And all the while there are sycophant's who stand and protest outside funerals, holding this bound tome of judgemental intolerance in one hand and sign's that read, "AIDS cures fag's", in the other. All in the name of God and praise Jesus.

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"The closet is an awful place to die."  ~Author Unknown



I deny any god who damns it's creation! And call that poser deity in artificial garb, born in mankind's image, hell bound and deserved of the roasting!

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"The Lord is my Shepherd and he knows I'm gay."  ~Rev. Troy Perry



And I pray for those who believe love is a sin!





Ausaria
QUOTE(BFG @ May 12 2005, 09:12 AM)
This is a rather hard post for me to answer without starting a debate that could warrant the MOD's to crack down on me.  I'll try and be as tactful as I can.  If I offend anyone's belief - I apologise in advance.

The first point of note is that homosexuality is not a huge "unforgiveable" sin that a lot of Christians make it out to be.  I've heard some people yell and scream about how it is an abomination to God and such and such.  But seriously, every time that homosexuality is mentioned in the Bible it's in a large list with other sins.  And there's no particular order or ranking to those lists.  It's just another way, out of many, that we displease God.  There's no special attachment to this.

To me, homosexuality is in the same league as pre-marital sex and adultery.  That is to say it is no better or worse than either of these things.  THis is because God created sex for the purpose of child-birth and (contraceptive debates aside) God created child-birth to be the consumating act between a husband and a wife.  Which is why homosexuality, pre-marital sex and adultery to God are wrong.  Because they ultimately do not do what God inteded it to do.

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Loge
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And I pray for those who believe love is a sin! [/color]
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Love is not a sin, but Lust is! w00t.gif

"Whosoever does not renounce his three-dimensional psychology will never discover the true meaning of Love, because Love does not have its origin in the three-dimensional world. "

Sin: An error or fault resulting from defective judgment, deficient knowledge, or carelessness behavior!

Love is law, but cognizant love! thumbsup.gif
SRIHeidiL
QUOTE(Super Pancake @ Jun 4 2005, 08:34 AM)
QUOTE(SRIHeidiL @ Jun 4 2005, 07:01 AM)
Thats why this country is so great- because we dont get shot for having different beliefs and "gods".
But when our forefathers made the Constitution, and the dollar bill was made, there was no other God intended but the one the Bible referred to. As time went on, population grew, rights increased, and peple expanded their views, beliefs and religion was one of those.
The world is the way it is supposed to be- so that we can make choices, and I strongly believe we will have to answer for all those choices- you, me- everybody- whether it be homosexuality or something else.
I do what I feel it right, and by what I have learned from my personal experiences. You do what you feel is right. Justbecause I dont agree with something doesnt mean I dont care about people.
This debate can go on and on, and to me it is getting old. I am not trying to convert anyone's way of thinking...well, if it were to happen, I'd be happy lol  If I could get one person angry enough to want to prove me wrong, that they cared enough to take the Bible, and sincerely put their pride aside and pray to God with all their heart, for an answer, then I guess I did my job as one of God's people.
I'll end my posting about all this here.
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Our forefarthers where freemasons, they did not believe one word of the bible, but they were Deist. but they were smart enough to know that the average soldier believed in God so they rallied the troops and said fight under God for your freedom laugh.gif anyway the rest is history!
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Oh- did they personally tell you that?

...I said I wouldnt continue this debate, but I couldnt help myself lol

SRIHeidiL
QUOTE(Ausaria @ Jun 7 2005, 08:26 PM)
QUOTE(BFG @ May 12 2005, 09:12 AM)
This is a rather hard post for me to answer without starting a debate that could warrant the MOD's to crack down on me.  I'll try and be as tactful as I can.  If I offend anyone's belief - I apologise in advance.

The first point of note is that homosexuality is not a huge "unforgiveable" sin that a lot of Christians make it out to be.  I've heard some people yell and scream about how it is an abomination to God and such and such.  But seriously, every time that homosexuality is mentioned in the Bible it's in a large list with other sins.  And there's no particular order or ranking to those lists.  It's just another way, out of many, that we displease God.  There's no special attachment to this.

To me, homosexuality is in the same league as pre-marital sex and adultery.  That is to say it is no better or worse than either of these things.  THis is because God created sex for the purpose of child-birth and (contraceptive debates aside) God created child-birth to be the consumating act between a husband and a wife.  Which is why homosexuality, pre-marital sex and adultery to God are wrong.  Because they ultimately do not do what God inteded it to do.

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Exactly. I agree! To God, a sin is a sin. I feel they are all in the same level. I think your post is very well put.

SRIHeidiL
Debate is not for conversion, just for those who feel passion, to get their point across- in hopes that what is incorrect for those who are teetering on which side to fall on, see and hear what IS correct (accodring to the side of the person debating.
There are many incorrect statements by people who do not know or believe in the Bible. I will not debate ignorance.
When one person knows the truth, they want to share it with others- not argue it. When they feel that someone is not just blind to see the truth, but refuses to because of personal characteristics, issues, and inner "demons" (yes, a pun is intended), and when argument begins, there is no reason to debate any longer. Those pepole just want to argue and bash, when all we wanted to do was help save your soul with some knowledge and throw some truth and common sense to the ones who are open to knowing the truth.
I say, Live how you must, and know that we must answer to everything we do- sometime in our life, including after our life FOR our life. To those who think that this is not true, I am sad for and will pray for. To me, it is an easy concept, and a good one- so why fight it? I dont get it.
I personally love God, life, nature, and people in general. So, no matter who you have in your bed, I will feel the same about you...and like one person posted, according to the Bible, homosexulaity is a sin, just like thievery and adultery...God will deal with and judge those who did not listen- that is not for us. I wil be judged on the things I have done as well. I am no better than the next person.
But it makes me sad when people out there are so angry at a God they do not know, and who close their ears and minds to listen, because they have just closed their hearts to truth, and lives to salvation, as well as closed themselves from a wonderful connection with an ultimate Creator. I get sad and upset when my Father is bad-mouthed, as well as His attempt to save us (the Bible)- from ourselves and eachother (and ultimately evil). It is like a parent getting slapped in the face by the child they continue to help.
Yes, the Bible was written by man, but done so by the urgence of God, and our faith has us to believe that God would not have set it out for us if it were not complete and true- HE was the ultimate editor (hence why the dead sea scrolls were taken out- but that is a whole other debate! lol) and HE was the ultimate publisher lol
I feel the Bible gives us everything we need to know, but it does not give us everything. It says one of the worse things one can do is add to it or misinterpet/represent it. I try not to with my wonderments, lack of knowledge and beliefs.
When people hear something they dont like, or that contradicts how THEY want to live, or makes them look at themselves inthe mirror, or makes them take responsibility for who they are and their actions, they will reach for anything to not believe it, believe anything that contradicts it, and do anything to get out of it.
But carrying out the WWJD tradition, I am bowing out gracefully of this discussion. I know what is right and what is wrong. I know truth when I see it and when I hear it. That is what makes me a positive person. My faith gives me strength and my God has given me all I ever needed and wanted- that is why I praise Him, and that is why I try to obey Him. I am nonetheless a person because of it- I am more.
Good luck to all in life- and life after life. thumbsup.gif




Skinnyal
QUOTE(Amalgamut @ Jun 6 2005, 08:58 AM)
QUOTE(brittish_gurl @ Jun 2 2005, 03:55 PM)
And frankly....... America sucks.....
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Without "America" you would be speaking German right now. Just remember that before you make such immature comments.
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I love it when this comment is thrown about. An equally valid response would be:

The wonderful irony is that without the French you would still be a colony.

However, I do agree with it being an immature comment in the first place...

I will be moving Stateside soon, and am quite looking forward to a bit of banter regarding alot of the religious beliefs that i have come across.

My fiancee commented that there was meant to be a separation of Church and state/government going back to Consitution days if i recall. Is this the case? Can anyone confirm or otherwise?

If this is indeed that case, how can laws directly based on a religious text be permitted?

On the same point, but possibly sliding off topic - sorry.....in a Channel 4 (in the UK) documentary over the last xmas period (one of my fave Pagan festivals by the way) there was a lovely man who apparently is some kind of spiritual advisor to President Bush who said that the US defence of Israel was related to the scriptures - re protecting the return of the Jews to the Promised Land or somesuch

Did anyone else catch this? and/or consider this a scary abuse of government power by religious bodies/lobbyists etc....

Enjoying the discussion. Particularly some poster who said that homosexuality in nature was a proven abomination. Nearly fell off my chair laughing. Kind of spoilt the good flow of discussion there for a bit!!!
girty1600
I was brought up to believe that judging others is a sin and that is a big part of my belief system. i.e If you judge someone for their acts or beliefs; you get to go to hell with them. original.gif
wolftrax
And there you have it Cephei.

Of the people who felt homosexuality was a sin, NOT ONE actually prayed to God and asked if it was a sin or not, or how God felt about it. Sure, we have pages and pages of how the Bible is the word of God and faith in lemmings and all that, or the weak "I have nothing against you, you're just going to Hell" comments, but nobody has actually even bothered to ask God themselves. Either they are too biased to find out the truth, too afraid, or just too lazy.

They do not worship God, they worship a book. How can they say they know God when they won't even spend one hour of their lives speaking to God? If this is the way it is now, could it have been all that different then? Exactly how much of the Bible is from people praying to God for an answer, and how much of the Bible is personal bias and xenophobia? Judging by this thread and how many people never even bothered to ask God, it seems a high possibility that the majority of the Bible is just personal bias. What a shame.

Again, you "Christians" who are against homosexuality, or think it's a sin, I ask of you, pray to God for the answer before you dare to speak for God.
TaintedDoughnuts
QUOTE(UniversalParadox @ Jun 6 2005, 03:54 PM)
I find it ridiculous that people say homosexuality is wrong. There is nothing wrong with it. I'm not gay, but if I were, it would be because I was born that way.

How do you know? youre not gay original.gif
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No one would really choose to be gay, because that's like saying "Hey, come hate me!".  You are not allowed to tell anyone else what to do, and the bible (or any other religious thing) has NOTHING to do with creating laws, or if it does, it should not.

the Bible never created any U.S. law.
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This country and idealistically the world is based on trying to have everyone be equal. I don't believe in god, but If i did, it wouldn't change my beliefs. The bible was written thousands of years ago, in ignorance in hate, in the haze of wine and lunacy, so it's not exactly a credible source.

have you even read a Bible? how is it created in ignorance and hate? and don't give me that "because God smited all those people in the OT" BS either. it's simply a caring parent(God) trying to protect His children(the Israelites) from getting bad influences such as prostitution, killing, etc., from outside source(the tribes that God smited). make more sense now?
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Frankly, I'm tired of people saying what other people can and can't do.

I agree, but why do Christians get arrested for preaching in public? or for making opinions about their community based on the Bible?(read my other post in this forum to see what im talking about, i believe it's on page 9). my mom, whos a teacher, can't have a Bible present on her in school, or she can lose her job; but if she had any other religious book, it's ok. why is that? all of this is telling Christians to keep themselves locked up and isolated in their houses and church.
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The whole idea of Homosexuality being outlawed is completely ridiculous. You can't outlaw a totally harmless behavior.

i agree, it shouldn't be outlawed. according to a survey, only 1% of U.S. citizens are gay. but you hear about them all the time, because they can make a lot of noise, aka attention to themselves.
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If it's two consenting adults, I do not care what happens. The only sick thing here is people descriminating against people against the way they were born.
Is their next crusade going to be against the left-handed people?
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why would we crusade against left- handed people? being left- handed isnt a sin. original.gif

phew that took a wee bit to write grin2.gif
Paranoid Android
QUOTE(wolftrax @ Jun 9 2005, 06:38 PM)
Again, you "Christians" who are against homosexuality, or think it's a sin, I ask of you, pray to God for the answer before you dare to speak for God.
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Thank you for your sincere care for the well-being of "Christians". For the record, I pray to God every single day. I talk to Him about anything and everything in my life. I am thankful for the good times, and pray for guidance in the bad. I pray for the world, for GOd's coming Kingdom, for fuller knowledge of Him. And, in the past, I have even prayed to Him for answers regarding homosexuality. And the great thing is that God answers prayer. I find answers that I ask for in the messages of the bible. I haven't just "leaped" to the conclusion that gays are going to hell. IN FACT, I haven't even made the statement that gays will go to hell. I have not judged anyone, nor condemned. Careful study of God's word, heartfelt prayer, and thirst for the knowledge of God has lead me to where I am today.

Until next time,


wolftrax
QUOTE(BFG @ Jun 9 2005, 11:51 PM)
And, in the past, I have even prayed to Him for answers regarding homosexuality.


And what was the answer? What exactly happened?

QUOTE( TaintedDoughnuts)
have you even read a Bible? how is it created in ignorance and hate? and don't give me that "because God smited all those people in the OT" BS either. it's simply a caring parent(God) trying to protect His children(the Israelites) from getting bad influences such as prostitution, killing, etc., from outside source(the tribes that God smited). make more sense now?


No, it doesn't make sense, and it shouldn't. Killing every man, woman, and child isn't a caring parent protecting their children (btw God was supposed to be the parent of all people) it's called GENOCIDE. Zealots said the same stuff when they tried to eliminate my own people here in America. "Killing in the name of..." indeed.

Also, Jesus protected the prostitute from being killed.



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