I'm desperately trying to find the part in the bible where it says being a homosexual is a sin. I want to be able to read it and see for myself what I think it means. Can anyone help me out with this? People are worried that my girlfriend and I are murdering our souls by being together...I want to see exactly what it is God says in here. Really. Please help meh I'm begging you.

There are many many places, but this could get you going.

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. -- Leviticus 18:22

1 Corinthians 6 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Romans:

1:26
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

1:27
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

1:28
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

1:29
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

1:30
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

1:31
Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

1:32
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Jude:

1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. (7-8)
"Giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh"
God sent "eternal fire" on the people of Sodom and Gomorrah for "going after strange flesh."

1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Here is the same scripture from the NIV version...

"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." (Levictus 18:22)

This is a rather hard post for me to answer without starting a debate that could warrant the MOD's to crack down on me. I'll try and be as tactful as I can. If I offend anyone's belief - I apologise in advance.

The first point of note is that homosexuality is not a huge "unforgiveable" sin that a lot of Christians make it out to be. I've heard some people yell and scream about how it is an abomination to God and such and such. But seriously, every time that homosexuality is mentioned in the Bible it's in a large list with other sins. And there's no particular order or ranking to those lists. It's just another way, out of many, that we displease God. There's no special attachment to this.

To me, homosexuality is in the same league as pre-marital sex and adultery. That is to say it is no better or worse than either of these things. THis is because God created sex for the purpose of child-birth and (contraceptive debates aside) God created child-birth to be the consumating act between a husband and a wife. Which is why homosexuality, pre-marital sex and adultery to God are wrong. Because they ultimately do not do what God inteded it to do.

I personally do not believe that we should engage in pre-marital, or extra-marital relations of any kind. But I do not condemn people for doing these things.

I'll leave it there unless people desperately want me to start preaching

Until next time,

Well none of us have the supreme judicial power to condemn us, however there is a difference between someone being condemned in their conscious from someone being condemned to spend eternity separated from God. Even with that being said, only God has the power to condemn and to sanction condemnation, therefor you are right you can not condemn anyone, nor can any other creature (creation).

Levar from Norfolk

Agreed.

Well said.

Actually ALL sins are equal in the eyes of God and all are forgiveable!

Only Romans 1:27 seems to have anything to say specifically about homosexuality. All other quotes can be taken so many different ways.

Just a thought after reading about strange flesh.
If a man or woman had an odd desire for say penguins. He would not be committing any crime by thinking/fantasize about them; it becomes wrong when he acts upon his desires and lust.
It is the act that is abhorrent not the thought. Much like the desire to choke someone who pisses you of.
Irish

Well said from a Judeo-Christian perspective. Thank you!

cephei, I want you to know that God does not send anyone to hell. We do, with our own decision. Please realize that hell was not meant for people originally, but its just that since man naturally follows the path of Satan, the original sinner, they are going where he and his angels are meant to go. Read this. I hope it helps:

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Matthew 25:40-42 (in Context) Matthew 25 (Whole Chapter)

Also, realize you don't have to go. No one has to and if you want salvation, its simple, but it has to be something you want, despite what skeptics tell you, none can convert you forcibly, even if you say that they have. It has to be a personal thing for it to be real; and you have to want it. Its a free gift, already stored up for you by God, but you have to be willing to receive. God, in his great love, will not violate your free will, then you will be no more then a slave and not a born again child of His. Read this:


That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:8-10 (in Context) Romans 10 (Whole Chapter)

Just confess your sins first, because if you think about it, how can one receive salvation unless they confess, that is, admit openly to God that they need it. God already knows, but it establishes a bond of communication with it and comfort. Then believe in your heart that Jesus is the son of God and was raised from the dead by the Father. Ask Jesus to be the Lord of your life, that is, ask him to be the one in whose foot steps you follow. And the Lord will send the Holy Spirit to empower you, but don't base it on physical feeling some people have felt incredible surges of power some have not, but neither is more saved then the other. Remember, its based on faith. God is more than what you feel--way more. Read this:

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 14:25-27 (in Context) John 14 (Whole Chapter)

Remember, no matter what people might tell you, God loves you and can break any strong hold and heal any broken heart. Make sure after you have received Jesus Christ into your heart, that you find a good church family, one that teaches what is supposed to be taught and is full of unconditional love. Don't think that all christians will beat you up if you are having questions about your sexual orientation. What you need is love and as it is written:

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
1 John 4:17-19 (in Context) 1 John 4 (Whole Chapter)


My dear cephei, I hope this helps you tremendously. Remember God is so great, even before you were born, he knew this day was coming when you would be seeking answers and brought me your way to help. If you have more questions you can ask some preachers in your town or online. You can go to this link for Pat Robertson:

http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/PrayerAnd...eling/index.asp

There are other preachers ofcourse, but this should get you started. Also, if you want to ask me some questions, I'll help the best way I can. I'm not a minister or a theologian, but I can help some.
Levar from Norfolk,
P.S. Sorry for this looooooooong reply.

The inspired Word of God, says this:
> 1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit
> the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor
> idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves
> with mankind,
> 1 Corinthians 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor
> revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
> (abusers of themselves with mankind means practicing homosexual)

[The Greek word translated effeminate is malakos. Translated into the
middle English definition of effeminate it means: to make a woman out
of. This word effeminate is referring to a man that allows his body to
be used like a woman by a another man. It is referring to the male
homosexual that takes the female role in the homosexual relationship.]

[The Greek word translated into "abusers of themselves with mankind"
in the King James Bible, is the word arsenokoites. It means sodomite
or a male homosexual that commits acts of sodomy. This would be the
male homosexual that has the male role in the homosexual
relationship.]

So you see that practicing homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of
God. Practicing homosexuals will not go to heaven; they will go to
hell. [There is no purgatory; the afterlife is only heaven or hell.]

Sodomite and sodomy get their names from sodom, the evil city that God
sent angels to destroy along with Gamorrah.
Genesis 13:13 But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before
the LORD exceedingly.
Genesis 18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and
Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
Genesis 18:21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done
altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if
not, I will know.

Genesis 19:4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the
men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the
people from every quarter:
Genesis 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are
the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that
we may know them.

["know them" means that the men of sodom wanted to commit sodomy with
them.]

Genesis 19:6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the
door after him,
Genesis 19:7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

The men of somom were sodomite homosexuals; God sent angels to destroy
the city of sodom because the men were so wicked.

Sodomy and practicing homosexuality is forbidden in the Bible:
Ex. 22:19, Lev. 18:22, Lev. 20:13, Dt. 23:17, 1 Cor. 6:9-10, 1 Tim.
1:10, Judges 19: 22-23 and judges 20: 13, Rom. 1:18-32.

1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous
man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for
sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and
murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1 Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves
with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if
there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections:
for even their women did change the natural use into that which is
against nature:
Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of
the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men
working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that
recompence of their error which was meet.
Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit
such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have
pleasure in them that do them.
[Hell is called the second death, in the bible.]

You need to repent of homosexuality, and be trying to not commit
homosexual acts, just like you need to repent of any other sin, if you
want to go to heaven. If you refuse to repent, you will go to hell.

>
> You see from the writing of the apostle Paul, under the inspiration of
> the Holy Spirit of God, that effeminate or practicing homosexuals will
> not go to heaven. Effeminate or practicing homosexuals will go to hell
> if they do not repent of this sin. [Homosexual acts are sin in God's
> sight.]
>
> For your info, you cannot be a practicing gay and a Christian. To be a
> Christian you must believe in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour and you
> must repent. Repent means you must be trying to not sin. Since
> homosexual acts are sin, to be a Christian, you must repent of
> homosexuality and be trying to not be a homosexual.
>
> Repent of your homosexuality like you need to repent of lying,
> stealing and any other type of sin, if you want to go to heaven. If
> you don't go to heaven then you will go to hell to suffer eternal
 torment. Choose going to heaven and be happy.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.


Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
You see where it says the abominable will go into the lake of fire? Homosexuality is called an abomination in the Old Testament: Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13
So, practicing homosexuals are abominable.

Note: The bible does not say anything about masturbation.

I would have thought the line about abusers of themselves vyou posted there, would have been about masturbation.

It says, "abusers of themselves with mankind", meaning men having sex with other men. Those words, "with mankind", shows that it is not about masturbation.
Masturbation is not spoken of anywhere from genesis to revelation.
The act of masturbation is not even mentioned in the whole bible.
[I heard a preacher on TV say this, and I have been through the bible many times listening to it being read by Alexander Scourby from a tape player. The preacher said, the bible is strangely silent about this. I can't find the act of masturbation anywhere in the whole book.]
There is a debate in Christianity about masturbation.
I would say, if it really is not in the book, then it isn't even an issue to discuss.

Thank you so much for your replies.

1). I don't believe in heaven or hell and 2). god to me is life iteself, not some man telling me what is right and wrong.

But the reason I am looking into this is because I want to find a happy medium with certain "religious" people.

It seems to me that it is just one thing in a huge list of "sins" that STRAIGHT people do all the time. Hell, my dog is sodomized when he goes to the vet and requires a temp. check.

I wonder, sometimes, if this world would be a better place if there was no such thing as gender.

........................................................uh-huh. i suppose you are reffering to the way we will clone ourselves.

We need gender because it is a great joy to have sex and it enables love. it is very good to have love. if there was no love, life would be dull. Everybody can relate how love is such a God-send.

When a man and a women love each other to combine each other into another human, that is significant and important.

i won't get into that topic anymore because i could be "escorted" cout of the forums for just that.

When the Bible speaks of a man lying with a man as though with a woman, it is mainly referring to sodomy. It is the act of sodomy which is considered sinful and unclean.

It is true, that in God's eyes a sin is a sin, but remember that we are told....Romans 3:10 - "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:" and Ephesians 2:8,9 - "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

So I guess Lesbianism is cool, since there is no specific prohibition against it?

Man, I knew I should have been born female, they get all the breaks.

Poisoninoskirian Vibrations degenerate the brain!

"We hear many times, for instance, that many ignoramuses state that Tchaikovsky, Leonardo Da Vinci and Nero, Emperor of Rome, were homosexuals.


"Yes, we heard many of them saying that all the great men of the past were homosexuals. Why are they asseverating this nonsense? Because they cannot understand that the brain of homosexuals are filled with Poisoninoskirian Vibrations. These are emanations or energies resulting from the mixture of the sexual semen with human excrement. This produces Poisoninoskirian Vibrations that rise to the brain, thereby rotting it completely. Those vibrations belong completely and irrevocably to those realms which share that vibratory level: the abyss, hell, the realm of degeneration and lust and all manner of animal behavior. A person who fills themselves with those vibrations (through lustful activity, thought, and word) lowers themselves psychologically and spiritually into those worlds. Their mind, heart and sex reflect or release those Poisoninoskirian Vibrations.

"A brain thus degenerated cannot develop the necessary spiritual or superior senses in order to bring superior messages (like music and wisdom) from the heavenly places, superior dimensions or higher Sephiroth. They simply cannot receive higher vibrations, nor can they comprehend them. That is why degenerated individuals love degenerated music, literature, images, and ways of behaving; scattering in this way, not only physical, but more over, psychosomatic diseases all over the world.


"The great men of the past were great Masters; they never had those types of manias or degeneration, they were men and women who had a very pure, very clean psyche. In order to bring high vibratory knowledge to earth, one must be able to vibrate in affinity with that knowledge.

"However, present humanity is degenerated, thus simply defame or degenerate everything, and they remember people of the past according with their already devolving idiosyncrasy.


"This is why present humanity is repeating and spreading nonsense and believing lies trough the Internet, television, radio, magazines and newspapers. We are polluting our subconsciousness with lies. It is necessary to clean our subconsciousness of all the garbage we have, especially the type of knowledge we are receiving that is the outcome of Poisoninoskirian Vibrations."

A message from Isabel

The sexual energy is the strength of the body, its life source, it is the light of our spiritual eyes, the greater the emission of sexual force, the greater the damage to the strength of our body, soul and spirit, and the greater the loss to one's physical life span.

This was symbolically implied in the story of Samson and Delilah: Samson gave his strength to Delilah and therefore he lost his eyes.

It is stated: “Whosoever steeped in degenerated sexual relations, old age springs upon them before their time, their strength is depleted, their eyes become dim, a foul odor emanates from their mouth and armpits, the hair of their head, their eyebrows, and eyelashes fall out, in males the hair of their beard, armpits, and legs grow in abundance, their teeth fall out and they suffer many pains beyond these. The wise of the doctors have said, One of a thousand dies from other illnesses and a thousand from excessive intercourse (fornication). “

Therefore, people must take care in this matter if they wish to live in good spiritual health.

I just wish there wasn't a border.
And that whole thing about sodomy being sin, that's all the bible mentions? It really says nothing about lesbians being sinners?

Cause that would be a cool thing to point out if anyone says anything to me.

Cephei, in the long, long time I've been walking the planet, I've learned that you cannot live your life to please others. You have to be true to yourself. If YOU are happy with your life and the choices you make, then that should be enough. The nimrods who feel that they have the right to interfere in anothers life, really need to spend more time inspecting their own existence.

What you and your partner do, is none of their damn business. Hold your head high, and live your life your way.

Unfortunately, there are enough neanderthals on the planet that you may want to learn to defend yourself, verbally, legally, and physically.

"I just wish there wasn't a border.
And that whole thing about sodomy being sin, that's all the bible mentions? It really says nothing about lesbians being sinners?

Cause that would be a cool thing to point out if anyone says anything to me. "

It says nothing of the sort. But however we are not to live a lie. So what we gay people do in the eyes of the right wing radicals is wrong. Don't worry with what people think of u and your partner. It is only love and we should all love one another. No matter race, gender, sexual orientation, or otherwise. As long as you are happy with yourself and your life is all the matters. If there is a god then he/she/it made you the way you are. Enjoy being yourself.

cephei.....I hope my earlier post didn't leave the impression that I believe homosexuality is a sin. My personal beliefs differ greatly from those I was raised to believe. I was brought up in a strict religious home, and while I still retain a huge portion of my religious beliefs (i.e., salvation through Christ and the power of prayer), I have strayed from some of the things I was taught, both in church and at home.

I don't know what God's views really are on homosexuality. I will know one day, but for now, I have to think that a God who loved us all enough to give his only begotten Son to die in our stead, would not hold it against someone for who they were born as. I also think about how Christ stopped the stoning of the harlot and said, "Let he that is without sin cast the first stone." That speaks volumes of how Christ wants us to treat people.

Despite everything I was taught, I could never reconcile myself with the whole homosexuality as a grave sin thing. I had (still have) a cousin who is gay, to whom I am very close. All my life I've known him to be a kind, caring human being. He has been in a monogamus relationship with the same man for over 30 years. How can a love as faithful and true as theirs be wrong?

The real turning point for me was giving birth to a homosexual son. My son is 25 years old now, but as I watched him grow up I knew he was gay. I raised him in exactly the same way as I raised his brother (who is only 1 year older) and yet the differences between the two were very obvious. So...it was no surprise to me when he finally came out to me when he was 18 years old. He told me and I said, "I know." My son is a good man. He is not promiscuous (there are those that would have everyone believe that homosexuality and promiscuity go hand in hand). He is kind and caring of others and loves God. It hurts me to see him hurt when others place harsh judgements upon him. But the world is changing. Gay marriage has been legalized in the province we live in. Despite what many interpret the Bible to mean, I believe in my heart that God knows the hearts of all of us and that is what he judges.

I think for a lot of people it takes actually finding out that someone they know and love is gay to make them start trying to really understand what it is to be gay.
If the people you are planning to come out to truly love you they will learn to accept you as you are. They may be uncomfortable at first, may even be angry at first, but eventually it will dawn on them that you are still the same you they've always known. It was very hard for my husband at first, he had to learn a whole new way of thinking. But now he is very supportive of our son...and of our son's partner as well.

I wish you the best and I really do hope you don't get as many negative responses as you seem to expect. Those who do respond negatively may come around in time.

Hey, she asked......

We're just answering her question according to our beliefs. We certainly aren't "interfering" in her affairs.

Regards,

BFG, I wasn't refering to you or any other person on this forum. Obviously, Cephei has had people in RL try to tell her that what she is, is wrong. My comments were directed at the people who seem to feel that it is their right to dictate how others should live.

Obviously, if she posted here, she wants folks to respond. Sorry if anyone misconstrued my comments.

Eh, I've given up on the one's who think it's a sin. God isn't gonna make you burn for it. Love will sure kick your butt though. I'm swearing it off.

So swearing love off is the answer? Maybe if you open up your will find what u are looking for.

There is specific prohibition against lesbianism. Any homosexual acts are sinful, according to the bible.

Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

Romans 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

Romans 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

You see Romans 1:26, it is referring to homosexual female relationships.
This is part of the list of sins, which in verse 1:32, it says those that do such things are worthy of death. That was the punishment for it in the Old Testament; death.
In the new testament, Jesus refused to condemn an adulteress to death, even though that was the old testament punishment. [Hell is called the second death, in the New Testament, so they will eventually go to hell, and suffer the second death if they don't repent of it, according to the bible.]
In the New Testament, which is in effect now, any person that claims to be a Christian and refuses to repent of sexual sin, it is commanded for other Christians to not keep company with him.
1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

So, any women or men that call themselves christians, and refuse to repent of homosexuality, other Christians are not supposed to keep company with them.
And also, they will not go to heaven if they still refuse to repent.

Okay well here's the story:

My "friend" and I..realized we felt more for each other than just friendship. I'm not a Christian, but she is. She thinks the same way earthchick does, (by the way, beautiful post- it made my eyes water).

Basically, her entire family thinks homosexuals are the awfullest of awful things, except for maybe her Mom, who can, I guess..., tolerate it.

What happened was...my girlfriend's best friend from like..2nd grade literally told her she was "mudering her soul", then this friend's MOM found out about us and gave her a WEEK to tell her own mom about "what we were doing" before she did. Threats, man. Can you believe it?

So we told our parents.

And. Yeah well let's just say we're ending up telling them that we "were misguided and confused" and that we are back to being "just friends".

What I was asking about the verses for was so that...so that I could look at the text and see if it was something that could be interpreted to mean anything, or if it really did strictly say: YOU BE SINNERS.

And...well I guess..it really does say that. I didn't want to believe it but..oh well.

What earthchick posted really makes me feel a lot better, I even copy/pasted it into a word document and sent it to my girlfriend. She hasn't gotten it yet but I'll bet she'll feel really good, with her being Christian and all..so thank you so much earthchick! Awesomeness.

For those of you who think it's disgustingly wrong I guess there's nothing I can say or do to change your mind, so I won't. I just wanna let you know..that the point is we love each other. And no one can change that.

Thanks everyone!

Love is indeed a very strong thing.

Well I thought I had. But that's life I guess. Now it just dogs me and won't let me go. Makes life miserable.

Leviticus 20:13
"If a man lies with a male, as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them"

Leviticus 18:20
"You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; it is abomination"

Thats a few of many, but there as one as such "Do not practice homosexuality, for it is a destable sin"



But this does not call for discrimination of any kind, sad what our world has come too.

i'd just like to point out that the bible has been translated literally hundreds of times before it became the bible we know it is now, it would have been awefully easy to add a quote in there about homosexuality...

Cephei,

The Bible says a LOT of things. Allegedly God sanctioned wars, genocide, crusades and inquisitions, I remeber one part where Paul said a woman is to have sex with her husband whenever he wants except for times of religious events and even then only for a specific time agreed upon by the two of them. Don't ask me where it was because after I read all of that I put the whole thing down and decided to ask God on my own. And everything has made a lot more sense since then.

The best of the Bible has been when the individual has spent a long period of time praying to God. Jesus fasted for 40 days in the dessert. Strangely Jesus never wrote anything in the Bible.

If you want God's REAL answer, pray to God. It doesn't have to be for 40 days without food, heck even an hour is more time than most christians spend. Myself, I've found God to be a lot more understanding than humans could EVER be, but I suppose that comes with being infinite and all.

To those I may offend, I can only say that telling somebody they are going to hell and to ask for forgiveness for something that may very well be a part of their nature is offensive in itself, and deserves to be confronted.

I take it you are a minor, Cephei? You have a lot of time, and in a few years you wont have to answer to anybody for things like this. Just stick with it, keep your focus on your goals in life, use your talents and gifts. In a few short years this will all seem like a dream, and you can freely and openly love who you want, no matter gender, race, or creed.

mm, off-topic, but it's my first post so give me a break.

I LOVE YOU!


that is all.

I love you too

isn't that sweet....

she was talking to me! bua haha!!

hehe, yes, i was talking to cephei but i love whoever-you-are too!! (;

Homosexuality is specifically forbidden in all of the major religions; even those with militant contentions.

Homosexuality is viewed as abnormal behavior.

just wait until the evidence of jusus' gay lover is revealed.... then we will see a big change in opinion of what is abnormal!

It's curious... in nature we see homosexuality amongst the creatures. We also see "species-rape" That is, one animal species forcing their sexuality on another, entirely different species.

So, should we now allow and condone bestiality just because we have found it in nature? Surely that is the next "tolerance" and "acceptance"

men make rules to serve their needs, not for the good of humanity!

you want to know what will be the next thing tolorated just look at what the next thing those with power want to profit from and you will find it.

homosexuality is as normal as hetroseuality. we have decided consent is the key in democracy, and that is what we work with. animals can not give consent, so there is your answer.

Like it was mentioned, Lev 18:22 says man is not to "lie with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable".
Just read the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, and how God demolished that city because of all the sin- and it described much of it was sexual imoralities. That is where the term "sodomy" (Any of various forms of sexual intercourse held to be unnatural or abnormal, especially anal intercourse or bestiality) comes from. Obviously men who lie with men use that form of intercourse, so, it all ties together.

But, like it was also noted, all sins are forgiveable, and equal in God's eyes. I know that is hard to believe, as muder seems much worse than a lie, but, to God, He means that He will forgive all...BUT, we have to be sorry, and repent, and sincerely try to stop doing the sin we are guilty of, before we are forgiven. I personally dont feel we are born with the right of forgiveness. I feel we have to earn it.

I personally have nothing against homosexuals. For a long time, I never understood/believed that God didn't love someone who was gay, or that He would condem someone who was a homosexual. I needed that pointed out to me in the Bible, too. But, after it was, and Bible studies to understand God, and a good understanding of the Bible and who God is now, I get it. God loves everyone unconditionally, and He forgives us all for our sins. But it's like this-what do we do for Him? We need to give Him reasons for answering our prayers and we need to give Him reason to forgive us. If we dont form a relationship with Him, why should He forgive us? Thats just my take on it. Man, He knows I am far from perfect, and I do what I can to make sure I am worthy of His forgiveness lol I guess it's like having an awesome dad, but with strict rules...And we are human...

Human sexuality is a difficult subject.
For example, many people refuse to talk about masturbation, but what individual on the planet Earth has not done it or continues to do it from time to time? This is not a question, just a statement.

Self-sexual pleasure is important in nature, as it guides us towards pro-creation. The reason that sex feels so good is that Nature wants pro-creation.

Ever wonder why "taking-a-dump" actually feels good? It's because Nature demands this activity and makes it pleasant so that we don't become internally toxic and die from not doing it.

Yah, I agree, but, peple do a lot of things on this eart that are wrong...wrong is wrong, and just because it is done a lot doesnt make it right. We have programmed ourselves/conditioned ourselves to accepting wrong. I'm not saying that I personally think masturbation is wrong, but if we are talking according to the Bible, it is. Why? Because it is pleasing the flesh, not the spirit, and God says we arent to dwell on what is pleasing to the flesh, but what is pleasing to the spirit. I dont know off hand (but I can look) where it refers to masturbation (it doesnt use that word, but it refers to it). Also, we won't "die" if we don't masturbate. We will die if we do not get rid of toxins in our bodies. I agree that masturbation is a natural sense...and if it is considered a sin, then God will forgive us, if we understand it is wrong, and that we are victims of the flesh- temptation, etc...That is how most Christians will see it, at least.

wrong is wrong?

rather authoritative....

wrong is wrong to you.... perhaps?

false absolutes are what people into trouble.....

Very good statements, in my opinion.

Of course, when I commented about dieing from inactivity it was with respect to defecation, not masturbation. Obviously, no one dies from from the result of never masturbating or from never having sex with a partner.

Anyway, you brought-up what I feel is the key issue. "Because it is pleasing the flesh, not the spirit, and God says we arent to dwell on what is pleasing to the flesh, but what is pleasing to the spirit."
Good job.