Atheists deny the existence of God
As a blind man denies the existence of light

Believers admit the existence of God
As a blind man admits the existence of light


Believers and Atheists as blind men admit or deny the existence of light, but cannot have an evidence of it.

So, stupidity is that which believes or refuses to believe on what it cannot perceive.

Moreover, few are the Believers and Atheists that can understand how light can be perceived; therefore there are many of them who assert that there is such thing as light or that there is no such thing as light and that their blindness is a natural thing.

And if anybody does dare to describe the light and color to them, such a person might be either a liar or stupid.

Most of Believers and Atheists base their beliefs or atheism on deep emotional traumas that avoid them to perceive their psychological blindness; they prefer to accept or deny the light rather than to study their psychological blindness.

As long as their beliefs or theories support their blindness they will always have stupid pseudo-religious or pseudo-scientific conclusions, which other blind men who have always supported their blind foolishness will continue to do so.

Awake your inner senses, snap you fingers, slap your face and awake!

What a fallacy of a false analogy..

Loge,
you have a very unique way of speaking (or writing)...
Very interesting post BTW...


LBD

People have their reasons for not believing in one thing or another, I suppose...

apples and oranges


there is still proof of light..even being blind, you can feel light

....grasping at straws....

great analogy

During a Tsunami, a proud castaway drowning Atheist being aware that some religious people were drowning with him in a huge wave of the Pacific Ocean was screaming: “Pacific Ocean admit it I am swallowing you!”

you can feel light?

hmmm...

put a lamp infront of you face and tell me you cant feel it

you feel the heat..not the actual light itself.

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

the heat is a product of the light, there is no product of god at all anywhere to even hint at the existance...that is the difference

The same thing can be said about light to a blindman.

Light is supposed to be God. You can't not be in the light of God. If you were devoid of God, that would be called Hell - and light is everywhere.

It's something you feel... A spiritual light - If a blind man believes in God, is he not seeing light?

im not sure what you meant by that....the same thing can be said to a blind man as in....heat is a product of light? where does god play in

there is no proof or product of a spiritual light...how can that relate with something that you can physically determine? you can not compare a spiritual light to actual light...like i said, apples and oranges




edit: i will be back in a couple hours, at work (dont think im backing down)

Okay, thats a good question! But, I'll give it a go. I have read that in NDE, blind people can see! So...A blind man denying the existance of light would be denying the existance of God - But, in a spiritual sense it could be some sort of test from God....or something. I'm not sure. But, there are different degrees of blindness...

But, again - Good question!

Sometimes you do surprise me Loge. Most off the time I have not a clue what you are talking about. But that is a great analogy

If a blind man cannot see, and if he cannot feel (heat) how can he believe in light?

does he just take your word for it? that light exists?

If you were a blind man, would you want to believe in light?

But, he can tell by the existance of light by the heat......

no, what im saying is that how can he feel heat if he cannot feel anything to begin with?

Atheists dont believe in God. Its not against the law........the Government doesnt have the right, nor do any of us, to tell people what their religion, if any, must believe in.

So, regardless of what these people believe...be it Gods, spirits, or nothing at all...we have no right criticizing them.

Ok so if i'm blind and walking at night, I can feel the heat from the street lamps, I think not . Lets leave the heat out of the question it's irrelevant !

And on that note, The Silver Thong, you brought up light from streetlamps. Obviously artifical, made by man for the absense of 'gods light'.

So, does that mean that at night, god does not exist? It must if we are going by Loges first post. It also means that man is god because he created light.

yes i agree.

the only reason why "heat" was brought up was for an easy out for the skeptics.

Good point BurnSide

i think this topic is gonna get nowhere fast.

but i love this picture!!!

But the point was that you still don't feel the heat in the day example, me sitting at my desk at work under florecent lights I can't feel that either.

this is heavy

yes, i agree

i think some people are getting confused as to what type of light we are talking about....

yes you can feel the heat in your ofc, and yes you can feel the heat from the street lamps....otherwise there would be no temperature at all! room temperature is still heat! just because your body is used to it does not mean that there is no heat comming from anywhere



actually it was brought up to show how much the two comparisons lacked in actual comparison value

regardless, heat cannot be a factor if it cannot be felt...




so, if a person could not feel "heat from the light" nor see it, how could he believe in it? how would you go about describing to him what light actually was?

you would not be able to, and the effort would be pointless.....it would not make a difference to the man....kinda like how the existance of god does not make a difference in our everyday lives

so would the man be labeled as nuts if he believed in it? knowing that he could not see, nor feel it?

no, people who believe in god now are not considered nuts

I guess at the end of the day, it all depends on whether a blind man wants to believe in light.

exactly.

the existance of light to a blind man is immaterial; it provides nothing to him. in a similar way athiest see any "gods" as immaterial; for they provide nothing.

believers need the light to see.
skeptics can see in the dark.

(call if evolution if you will, those that have outgrown "gods" have can see beyond the confines of the primative mind).

are you sure? last time i checked, the skeptic mind is the one that needs to light to see. if the skeptic cannot see, or touch, or test, or taste, the the object cannot be seen at all.

a believer needs no lighting to see, they believe without these "physical proofs" that a skeptic relize on.





if anything is primative, its a closed mind. without an open mind in this subject, we reduce ourselves to a "primative" state of consciousness.

there is nothing more closed than religion!

I agree H.Active

i know we have probably touched on this subject before. but I am asking you, how is this closed minded?

I think Christians are more open minded than non-christians... after all it takes an open mind to believe in someone you have never seen as a physical being.

it is subjective, id say believers are close minded because they will not open up to any other explanation, where as non believers are not close minded becaues they are constantly looking for answers and tyring to explain the unexplained


however i do realize it can be used both ways

by taking the stand that one perspective is the ABSOLUTE answer, you deny to yourself the possibility that any other perspective is correct. when you have no evidence to make such a strong stand, it is being closed.

it does not take an open mind to believe in something never seen. it takes an open mind to say you believe it, but you might be incorrect in your conclusions. it takes an open mind to say some of source X is incorrect, but others may be correct.

religions are closed systems - they self verify, reject as incorrect contradictory claims, and self reference. thus they only prove their claims to those that previously accepted their claims. it works like this: 1 - "i believe X", 2 - "the teachings on X tell me my belief is correct, 3 - "X is the answer", 4 - "anything contrary to X is in error, becuase X is correct"

As was stated... all in how you look at it...

I think non-Christians are closed minded.. because they will not for one second think that we as Christians ... just.. might .. possibly be right.

I have opened my mind to other beliefs.... and am well educated on other religions and beliefs.... but I still believe the way of Christianity!

So therefore I am not closed minded... as soon as someone shows me proof otherwise...

yes, and i too have studied several religions. I came to different conclusions than you though.

christians might be right about somethings, but then again muhammad might be right and if the one god exists christians are on the naughty list (for failing to accept the next prophet and promoting a man to the status of god - that pesky false idol stuff).

as far as evidence goes though, it is more likely the greys are harvesting humans than that the one god exists (again, as with everything that is as of this moment).

*sigh*.... I guess I am one of the lucky ones... because God shows himself to me in many many different ways every day....

having said that ... it is your right to believe.. or not believe... or belive a whole jumble of beliefs.. (now I am confused )

But I for one worship only one God .. my creator... My Lord Jesus Christ!

i dont think this is true though, at least not more me, i dont rule out the existance, but i dont rule out the existance of big foot or nessy either...

I don't rule out the existance of big foot, nessy either... but I do believe that there is only one God...

basically what im saying is that i leave the existance of god open for debate, however i dont necesarily believe in him at this point in time