i think of the universe as a huge blueprint.

evololution, and the bb could have very well happened, but i just believe that someone induced it.

i think that the big mistake of believers is how they classify everybody as theist or atheist.

while i view "gods" as a human construct and not something external to the mind, i leave open the possibility that creatures that meet many people's constructs of a god exist. so to those people, these creatures would be gods if we met them, but not to me. when it comes to the interconnectedness, again i see it not as godlike, but as natural (system) and the lowest power not the highest since it is the foundation of the universe.

Yes but Nxt... The same can be said for you. You to cannot accept that non-believers could be right, can you not? So if you use that saying... then in turn, you yourself are also closed minded.

However, accepting and understanding is the first step.

Having been christian once... I found it not right, for me... at all. So, does that make me closedminded for not accepting something I was because deep inside, it was all so very very wrong? Millions of people can be and are Christians, that's fine.. For them it's right, but that is still not basis to say that it is.

There are two main types of light: Ultraviolet and Infrared

Hell (inferior dimensions) is iluminated with Infrared Light and Heaven (superior diemensions) with Ultraviolet Light



Thus, the spiritual light is something you see, feel, touch and as the lightning it has a thounder that you can listen-

The blind man believes in that light, but he is not seeing that light!

"He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light."
"That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. "

Unless you think that a fish is more evolved than a TRUE MAN!



"The new Hi-vis spreader bar gives halibut a bigger surface area for them to see, thus helping them find your bait or lure. Recent research shows that fish see ultraviolet. In fact, scientists have declared that fish are the only animals on earth capable of seeing both infrared and ultra violet rays. The Norwalk Aquarium Society recently asked this fact as their monthly trivia question. Here's what it means to anglers. When we buy lures we can choose lures that are or aren't ultraviolet or we can choose glow-in-the-dark. The difference between the ultraviolet and glow-in-the-dark can be argued, but here's my take on the subject. The glow-in-the-dark lures work great but you do need to keep them charged by either lighting them with a light source (naturally with the sun, or an old camera strobe) or you will not benefit from their full effects. Ultraviolet, on the other hand, will reflect the available light which allows the fish to see it."

"What light you ask? At 400-feet is there light? No and yes. For us the answer is no. For fish the answer is a resounding YES! Ultraviolet rays, the very same rays that cause cancer from over exposure, penetrate to great depths in an otherwise dark ocean. When you put something that's ultraviolet down there it illuminates and the fish see it, much like a freshly charged glow-in-the-dark lure. A recent TV documentary showed a diver with an ultraviolet spotlight shinning it on the bottom. Using nothing but a standard light source common to divers the scene was a stark contrast of gray and blacks. Using the ultraviolet light source suddenly revealed a wide spectrum of colors from red, purple and yellow. Using the light, they said, duplicates what the fish see."

Guess it is all in the way you look at it and what you believe!

I guess it is safe to say ... EVERYBODY is close minded to a point!

if you have noticed most athiest are brought up with religion and then stray away....interesting tidbit

Or find the right pagan path (right as in for them...)

Nxt = Yes... exactly my point =)

Loge = dear gods boy! Nuff with the eye twisting images >.< >D

But SC, Loge wouldn't be Loge without eye twisting images!

I like my epsilepsy none indused thank you! (I kid ;P)

No I suppose not ;P Just occationaly I find myself staring at something he puts up and get glossy eyed....

*Hums the tune to Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star



IMHO - Comparing a 'spiritual light' with a street lamp, light bulb is fallacy. Without the darkness, we wouldn't understand the light. Be thankful for both ...but watch out for the black holes

http://www.transformnet.org/rainbow_rays.htm

Hi Loge

You ever closed your eyes shut and flipped a light switch on and off?? If so then you know you can tell the sense of on and off. So, those that are truly blind are those that don't close they're eyes to find out!

Amen, Hallelujah to that!!

I think that a good point has been brought up. Namely that everyone, regardless of labels, is closed minded to a degree. And, without being wishy-washy, also open mined to a degree as well.
Attend!
A believer (of anything not concrete and factually proven) has to be somewhat open minded to accept the existence of <insert pet belief>. A sceptic also has to be open minded to accept the possibility, however remote, of <insert pet belief>.
Both believers and sceptics alike are also close minded when it comes to their favorite personal belief. Whether that belief involves celestial beings, or super string theory. If YOU have chosen to champion a belief/cause/or faith, it takes a train load of evidence to sway your position. Lets face it, no one, and I mean no one, likes to be proven wrong about anything.

Now the question you want to ask yourself is: What is the reason for posting on this forum, if you will not accept, or at least listen to, opposing points of view?

I've said it before, but I think it bears repeating: If you don't want someone questioning you or your beliefs, then you really shouldn't be airing them on a public forum, now should you?

If you want to discuss how Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa are conspiring with Sasquatch to overthrow the Atlantean warlords, without criticism, then I kindly suggest finding a forum of like minded souls who will nod their heads in sagacious agreement with your thoughts. Otherwise, be prepared for some folks to rise to the challenge of poking holes in your theories.

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LMAO.. Brilliant!!

Then open your eyes and find out the TRUE LIGHT! And do not confuse the cloud with the lightning!

"For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shines even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."


“Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying: Eli, Eli, lama Sabachthani” Which in Maya Yucateco means: "Now I submerge myself in it before the dawning radiance of its presence."

LOL.....

Well of course you know what they say.... "Atheism is a non prophet organization"

Nxt2Hvn, is that a South Park avatar?

Let us remember the famous equation of Einstein, namely: E=mc2 (Energy is equal to mass multiplied by the square of the speed of light).

We will possess a tetra-dimensional Physics, when we will be capable of crossing the barrier of the speed of light.

Thus travel through time with velocities millions of times superior to the speed of light will be discover.

Then humans will know the great ocean of the uncreated light! Certainly, the solar light is the first differentiation or modification of the uncreated light. Gods and humans tremble when before the uncreated light.

The uncreated light transcends the laws of numbers, measurement and weight, it transcends quantity, any side, front, behind, above, below, etc.

The uncreated light is the immutable within a profound, divine abstraction. It is light that has never been created by any God, or by any human. The uncreated light is what has no name.

God is Spirit; yet the uncreated light is not Spirit. The Absolute, the Immanifested One is uncreated light.

Indeed, contemporary Physics becomes regressive, retarded and reactionary. It is worthless for those with superior senses because it is bottled up within a universe of three dimensions.

ok.... let me see your paper on this when it is done please.

"superior senses"? so what exactly are you that your sensory system is so different, and how can you be certian what you sense is real?

OK! Einstein might had been a genius but he's one ugly duck...Ahhh that blown up pic of him..ughhhh!!

hey the church doesnt necesarily have beutiful people representing them either

yeah, i think thats from the episode where they build the ladder to heaven, and sadam hussien is building a nuclear power plant on some cloud.

Hey, no picking on Einstein!

Have you seen the one where Jesus saves Santa in Afghanistan?

yeah, isnt that the one where they get in a fight at the end?

They get in a fight with Afghans. Its weird that you like south park, they always make fun of christianity.

its my favorite show, i watch it all the time.

If I could chip in here,

I believe the analogy, while it requires and inspires thought, is flawed.

A blind man that denies the existence of light, is surrounded by people who can see it. They can describe it to him, tell him there is light and that he should believe in it despite not being able to see it.

However, in regards to the analogy, we are ALL blind men, we choose to believe in the light, or we choose not to.

There is no one here that knows the light is there, plenty of people will swear blind (excuse the pun) that it exists, but they don't know for sure.

They'll tell you they do know, and they hope and believe it is there, but in truth they too are blind.

The other interesting thing here is that it is irrelevant to a blind man whether he believes in light or not, it doesn't matter. A blind man who denies the existence of light can live a just as fulfilled a life as one who does not.

One could argue that is the same for us and God...

but other people know for sure there is light

altho the blindman may not believe them, it stil DEFINATELY exists

no one knows for sure there is a god

even if sum1 tells them there is

Werid Logic.

You won't see it even if it would be in front of you, your theories will strengthen your blindness and support your stupid pseudo-scientific conclusions.



Certainly, I don't need you to be certain about the certainty of my sensory perceptions!

And, I can only tell you that this type of humanoid is worthless for the superior science!

hahahah^^ i love that picture

This statement does not follow logically. If comparing the light to God, the next logical extension of your argument is that both believers and skeptics are blind, just one decides to believe in the light. One may believe in something without "needing" it.

^^^^exaclty, its like an oxymoron

think so?

dependency is a large part of belief! (when it comes to things like gods)

So you need proof for the non existence of god wtf

Did you totally miss the poll directed at non believers the other week?

The heat is the light. Some light is invisible, but you can feel it in the form of heat. I work with CO2 LASERS. You cannot see the beam we generate, but you can darn sure feel it!

Why yes it is.. I made it myself... you can make your own too.. just go here..

Southpark weemee

Yes, you darned sure feel it!

good thing you arn't a teacher (or at least i hope you arn't with attitude like that for any potential student's sake!)

An atheist cannot see the spiritual waves of light emanated from the Gods, since these are ultraviolet waves emanated within superior dimensions, they vibrate beyond this tridimensional world; this is why Gods’ light cannot be perceived by ignoramuses, since they do not have the senses to perceive it, thus, this light cannot penetrate their understanding.

Likewise, since the superior potential perceptions of a blind student are inactivated, an illuminated teacher cannot provide anything to him!

for someone so "enlightened" you make an awful lot of incorrect assumptions.

if you were so enlghtened, you would not deem all that do no see it your way as ignoramuses. very judgemental sounding. if you were so aware, you would be able to teach your truth. it is a poor teacher that blames the student, a poor craftsman that blames his tools....

Sorry, I didn't know that you consider yourself to be my student!

i am a student of life, so i look for what there is to be learned from everything. thus everybody is a teacher of something.

did u even just say that?

thats an insult to hindus, jews.....people who arent christian

also, u say WE are closed minded. the same could be said for u. you are closed minded to the fact that maybe there isnt a god, and that WE are right?

Don't fret Little Princess, that attitude seems to be common among many of the 'believers'. Thankfully, not all, but many.

Apparantly, you can only be 'open minded' if you close your eyes to anything that might contradict your worldview. And, if you are 'open minded' to realize that there might, just might be another way of looking at things, then you are 'closed minded'.

I know, I know its confusing at first, but I find that liberal internal applications of a suitable libation, preferably rum, lubricates the wheels of cogitation while inhibiting the logic circuits that allow such mental gymnastics to take place.

Oh but we're narrow minded cuz we don't follow your beleifs. Calm down! Take a Chill Pill Princess!

Thanks for pointing this out...

LBD

She was just pointing outto a "Christian" that there are other religions besides Christianity. So take a chill pill and don't be so easily offended.