I don't see the point in claiming that a rather unbelievable alien civilization cold have built pyramids and megalithic structures all around the world, leaving them behind in abandon. Such huge expenses need to be ammortized, and taht usuallt requests long time. The truth is that pyramids would have been completely useless for an alien civilization. They are undoubtedly the work of man. However, you claim those aliens actually visited Egypt, China, ancient Mesopotamia, South America to suddenly disappear. Besides date do not coincide, the alien origin theory is just a ridicolous attempt to deny that man hasn't any need of help from outside to accomplish such wonders. In the middle ages, ignorant people believed roman acqueducts and bridges were built by devils, now, we believe nearly anything to have been the work of alien civilizations.

unless the pyramids were to act as beacons for the alien overlords to gather all the primitives together so as to better control them, bbbwahhhhahahahah!

"we believe nearly anything to have been the work of alien civilizations."
speak for yourself

Yeah, I seriously doubt that also.

It has been proven that it takes 6 men to move a 2 ton block of the same material as the pyramid, using skids (saw them do it on TV...). So if you do the math, with say, a 30 ton stone, it would take about 90 men...((my math may be innacurrate....I'm tired....)). So even using an amazing number like 300 tons, it would have taken about 900 men (say 1,000). That's not that many men when you think about it. Tack on an extra 200 men per stone because you have to slide it uphill. All in all, it still would only take about 1,300 men to move a 300 ton stone. Which the Nation of Egypt had easily that number to spare, and much more. It's simple math really.

The only thing that baffles me, is the precise edges which fit so tightly that a credit card can't fit between them. Although one could attribute that to the settling of the stones over a couple thousand years. Time can make things quite compact...

Anyway, just tossing in my two cents.

Well..

I only read the first page, but the first two points made are invalid.

Egyptians didn't use the inch.

Who cares if it makes pi anyway, of course the egyptians knew what pi was, because the pyramid pattern is that of phi, a more advanced mathematical concept.

*sigh*

Also, moving the blocks on skids really wouldn't work in sand - the skids would just sink in under that amount of weight.

Also, ramps couldn't be made out of wood - it wouldn't be strong enough, and the ramps would have to be somewhere about a mile long to have a gentile enough incline for a man to be able to push it up - which would take about as much stone as the pyramid itself to build.

you guys are aware that the pyramids were built as stepped at first and then faced right ?

Dark Lord, are you saying that the alien's skipped out before they paid of their mortgages?

Dead beats!

Ultimately, if aliens did build the pyramids, then I have just lost a great deal of respect for their abilities.

LOL! What if they didn't build them, just taught the ancients a knowledge of geometry and masonery?

yeah that'd be right huh
space going non human aliens in metal ships are bound to know all the latest up to date masonry techniques

Marduk, I'm surprised you won't admit that they also taught them metallurgy.

Geometry, astronomy, metallurgy, etc.

I simply suppose they must have some kind of economic system. The costs of pyrmid building would have been far superior to their benefits, since they appear to be completely useless for an alien civilization of any kind.

Alen economics is an interesting subject.
Now that slave labour has pretty well been discounted as being used to build the pyramids, what are the investments?

Maintaining a work force, included skilled tradesmen, building materials, etc.
The Egyptian's ran olow of money building them, so they were being financed by the Egyptian governments.

Even admitting that, why to build a completely useless pyramid, thousands light-years frome their alleged home planet (admitting a alien home planet actually exists). It's complete nonsense. Pyramids are undoubtedly the work of man. There are thousands of structures both in Egypt, Europe, Asia and South-America whcih present the same architecture and building techniques. Such an extensive work necessairly has to be the work of man. To pretend such structures might have been built by alien civilizations would be a waste of money and time. Since such a theory can't be verified, it is as likely as pretending pyramids could have been built by flying donkeys. What science needs are facts, not theories. We might speak of a likely alien economic system, but without proofs of any kind it would be complete nonsense. First you have to demonstrate beyond any reasonable doubt alien civilizations could exist, then you will have to demonstrate they could have visited earth, and eventually prove pyramids were built by alien forces. As far as I know, it still has to be proven alien civilization exist or existed in times past, so the only likely explaination, the most obvious up to now, is that pyramids were built by man. Once determined they were built by man, the real problem is to determine when and why, since the exact age of the alleged IV dinasty structures is still debated.

actually the idea of the pyramids being built by flying donkeys makes much more sense to me.

dont u mean flying monkeys marduk?!

Yikes...thats a thought to ponder on...not only was it impossible for these "ancient Egyptian" fellows to build such a precise and HUGE pyramid!, but might I add, the three pyramids also have an exact alignment with three stars! exact! aha...so let me guess...some clever aladin just said! hey I see three stars...lets align our Pyramids to them! aha! yeah right! oh and someone please answer this!...How is it that with allll our "advanced" technology, humans cannot to this day build and exact replica of the pyramids...??even miniature? they just can't get it right!
So my friends...I guess we have all been living a great BIIIG LIE!!!
time to catch a wake up about a lot of the "so called" truths!
ciao!

Flying monkeys ?
are you mad ?

how the hell could flying monkeys build pyramids

Ah, not so fast. The alignment between the pyramids and the Orion constellation is withing acceptable margins, but not anything like an exact fit. Particularly when you take into consideration celestial and terrestrial movement over the past ten thousand years proposed in that particular idea.

Incidentally, why would you think it was impossible for ancient Egyptians to have built pyramids? Their other structures, such as their temples and statues, show similar, and in a few cases, superior, knowledge of mathematics and engineering. The pyramid just isn't as precise as everyone seems to think it is.

[QUOTE]aha...so let me guess...some clever aladin just said! hey I see three stars...lets align our Pyramids to them! aha! yeah right! oh and someone please answer this!...How is it that with allll our "advanced" technology, humans cannot to this day build and exact replica of the pyramids...??even miniature? they just can't get it right![QUOTE]

What are you talking about? There are pyramids all over the Earth. Ancient ones made out of mud brick, stone ones, glass ones made by modern engineers. It is a relatively simple architectural shape, nowhere near as complex as a square building the same size. Why do we build them out of glass and steel nowadays? Because it is both cheaper and safer. What kind of idiot would spend billions to build a replica of the Great Pyramid? What would he gain from it? You can't seriously be suggesting that there is some mystery in their construction that would prevent us from replicating, can you? What would stop us, other than money?

maybe he was thinking abouting floating stones or sumthing...??

If you are silly enough to believe that humans at that time could not have built the pyramids, even though it has been proven that they could have done; then you have to weigh up the two choices you have

Either:
1) We built them and should be proud of them.
OR
2) Aliens, for some reason, came down to earth and helped us make them or made them themselves.

hmmmmmmmmmm I wonder which is more likely...

The Pyramids of Ghizah are the highest accomplishment of egyptian engineering. There's nothing in Egypt which might be compared with the Great Pyramid. However the Ghizah pyramids should be compared to contemporary IV dinasty structures. They bear striking resemblences with far less known strcutures, such as the Osireion in Abydos or the Dashur and Meidum pyramids, also dating to the IV dinasty. As I've previously said, the main problem lies in the pyramid's age. The many buildings commonly dated to the IV dinasty might indeed be much older. There are too many incoherences in the IV dinasty theory, mainly for what concerns the number of pyramids built, exceeding the number of IV dinasty pharaohs. Actually, the only documents referring to the alleged IV dinasty sctructures as to buildings actually dating to the IV dinasty are Erodotus writings, since the king lists of Abydos and the king list of Palermo (Palermo stone) do not mention anything but the name of kings. Erodotus can't be considered a reliable source, although, in spite of the many incoherences in his tale, it remains the most widely accepted theory. I find however at least difficult to believe king Snefru could have been built 3 pyramids, (the pyramid of Meidum, never accomplished, the bent pyramid of Dashur and the red pyramid of dashur), and that, in the following years, other 3 pyramids could have been built. Egypt would have collapsed long before their accomplishment, this is the reason why later pyramids are far smaller and very poorly built. I think there might still be a lot to discover about the true age of many alleged IV dinasty structures.

who r this 'IV dinasty' u go harping on about?

As far as we know from textbooks, the pyramids of Ghizah were built by the IV dinasty pharaohs: Khufu, Khafra and Menkaura. The father of Khufu, Snefru, allegedly built the red pyramid and bent pyramid of Dashur, maybe even the unfinished pyramid at Meidum. Although the true age of those structures is unsure, they are commonly dated to the IV dinasty since they bear strikning similarities, above all for what concerns the complete absence of hyerogliphs and decorations of any kind and a monumental/monolithic architecture. This is the reason why even the Sphinx temple and the Osireion of Abydos are dated to the IV dinasty, although no direct proofs connect them to the IV dinasty pharaohs. Even the great dig at Zawhiet-el-Aryan is believed to date to the IV dinasty, being the foundations of an unfinished pyramid, which, if completed, would have been bigger than the great pyramid of Ghizah itself.

A dynasty is a family of interrelated kings you dummy
the egyptian kings ran in dynastys
The most interesting are all pre dynastic though
hehehe

Why are you even up at this ungodly hour? You've been debating this pyramid thing all night, and not ONE alien has come forward with the truth. This is all an utter waste of time. It's no wonder the Mighty Giant Lizard People don't take us seriously any more!

mars

lol
im actually asleep and have been allnight
think you should check the time of my last post
why are you up at this ungodly hour
why is it ungodly
doesn't he want it ?

sleep while typing
its a good skill
mastered it u have

The way the pyramid blocks were moved can be compared to the way that the Stonehenge blocks were moved.

The actual type of stone used at Stonehenge can only be found in South Wales I believe, which meant that the huge stone blocks had to be moved well over 100 miles to get to the Stonehenge site. I may have the distance wrong, but I know that it was a frikkin long way!

Anyway, I don't think we should assume that the Egyptians were assisted in building the pyramids, just because they didn't have computers and exact mathematical knowledge, and the design of the pyramids changed several times before being complete.

The ancient Egyptian kings and queens were held in very high regard and huge effort was made to ensure they had the very best both in life and death, thus, the pyramids were built to hold their tombs. I just think the pyramids are a symbol of power and strong religious beliefs.

AND USED TO BURY THEIR PHAROAHS

Thats ridiculous,
where did you get that idea from
????

ur joking rite??

Hmmm well lets test this supposition
which pharoahs were buried in the three big pyramids at Giza Roswell ?

http://www.ancientegypt.co.uk/pyramids/homemain.html

FROM YOUR LINK
"he most well-known of these pyramids was built for the pharaoh Khufu. It is known as the 'Great Pyramid'."
so you can tell me the circumstances surrounding the recovery of Khufu's Mummy ?

what!?!?

The fact that pyramids were (likely) used as tombs, doesn't imply they were actually conceived as tombs. A proper example could be a cathedral. Although in many cathedrals tombs might be found, doesn't mean cathedrals are tombs, but instead they were used as such.

We're talking about the three large pyramids at Giza here DL

Marduk, actually a sarcophagus was found within one of the ghiza pyramids. When Menkaura's pyramid was broken into by H. Vyse, in 1837, after months of structural alterations through a large employ of explosives, a sealed basalt sarcophagus containing an intact wooden coffin was found. Although its contents are unknown, it was later on shipped to the british museum. However, the vessel on which the sarcophagus was loaded, the "Beatrice"sank near Valencia, in southern spain. The exact coordinates of the wreckage have never been determined.

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/menkaurep.htm
On the burial chamber's west wall, Vyse discovered a wonderful, dark basalt sarcophagus that was decorated with niches in the palace facade style. The sarcophagus was empty, and its lid was missing. However, fragments of the lid were discovered, which indicate that it was ornamented with a concave cornice. Ricke saw in this design certain similarities with the decorations in shrines dedicated to the god Anubis, and thought that they were an attempt to provide additional protection for the tomb by means of that divinity. Alas, we are left with only drawing of this piece of funerary equipment, for the ship, Beatrice, which was taking it from Egypt to the British Museum leaving Leghorn sank somewhere between Malta and Spain in 1838. Fortunately, the anthropoid coffin was sent in a separate ship that reached its destination.
see it was empty but for the wooden coffin which was also empty.
where did you get your information from ?
close but no cigar.
No mummy has ever been found in any of the three pyramids at Giza
Why not ?
anyone

On the contrary, The Pyramids are built on a plateau, composed of solid bedrock. It is simply covered in loose sand. If one were to clear a path which sat directly upon the bedrock, then skids are plausable.

Using a stepped design, a ramp could be built around, tier by tier. As I stated previously, 1,300 men should have a pretty tough time moving a 300 ton stone, but it can be done, even today. Of course the ramp couldn't be made of wood. It was more likely made of the compacted dirt and clay found near the Nile's edge for miles and miles. Also don't eliminate the use of horses either. Yes the ancient Egyptians had access to horses, and more specifically, work-horses. They could have also helped in the building process. Horses may be terrible in sand, but on the solid bedrock of the plateau, they would do fine.

All in all, I don't know all the answers, but I DO believe that man built them, and had no help whatsoever. You underestimate the perserverence of mankind. When we are determined and set to a task, there is nothing we can't accomplish, given enough time and resources. And ancient Egypt definately had enough of men, resources, location, and time.

Could be? However I never rule anything out. So it's possible they did have help, just not likely...

alright...i was gonna put they showd something like that on discovery channel, and it was like 10 people movin a 10 ton block...so ya it can be done...and hell if it was aliens and stuff...wed seen aliens by now, and why do they always abduct hillbillies and its always anal probin and stuff...get real people

ALIEN ASSISTED FOR SURE!!! no doubt in my mind that they werent.... the calculations made were so exact and presice, its impossible I THINK That they could have done it on their own!!!

I am disappointed that you think that lucid. You are not giving humanity the respect we deserve, concerning technological feats...
We built the pyramids by ourselves. That is something to be proud of.

From Marduk:
>No mummy has ever been found in any of the three pyramids at Giza
Why not ?
anyone<

What about the Greco-Roman mummies wearing gold masks, the infamous Golden Mummies?

The questiuon was were the three pyramids at giza built as tombs
if you think that qualifies built as a tomb you're gonna have to prove how the designers saw so far in the future when there would be a need for a tomb for a few foreigners
hehehe
maybe plato and his time machine again but i doubt it

Hey marduk, you haven't been on in a while. Or maybe I have been on for a long time...

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