That's where you're totally wrong. Washington is one of 7 Community Property states. The courts don't care what either person did or didn't do, it's 100% purely financial. My ex-husband and I split up because he married another woman while I was still married to him! Call me crazy, but that actually goes beyond a mere affair. He still got half because the courts here don't care. That's what community property is about.

I've seen the Web sites. Thanks.

I happen to know that no investigators talked to my friend Ron who grew up with Cobain and lived in Seattle (not on the Pennisula anymore) and I know none ever talked to the nurse who lived down the street who also had a good deal of contact with him.

I am sorry to tell you but they were probably not interviewed for a reason. The nurse saw him in some Herion stuppers, so what? Everyone on Herion is a loon bird when they are strung out. Now unless you want to tell me that Kurt and the nurse were good friends and they had many of chats when he was sobber and he talked about killing himself then maybe she would be worth talking to.

And I am will to bet your friend Ron who "grew up with Kurt" probably had not seen Kurt in years before his death. They did interview the friend of Kurts that he lived with for several years before he got into the big rock scene and they said "he did not seem like the type to kill himself" From the film Kurt and Courtney.

She had a few chats with him when he was sober and down at the waterfront park near their respective homes. Because I'm not interested in attracting other unwanted attention this many years later, there were other reasons he had for visiting her home there were more of a neighborly nature and to do with Frances.

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Actually, they remained very very close once he moved up here from Aberdeen, he even worked for Kurts favorite music store as an account manager... how do you think I met the illustrious couple in the first place? haha.

I don't recall seeing this mentioned, it's a lot to read through so I apologize if it has and I've missed it.

Another detail I found suspicious was Love's "handwriting sample" they found in her backpack the week of Cobain's death. Anyone here ever practice handwriting? I don't, I especially wouldn't need to practice specific letters...



Source

Then again, I did when I was five. And Courtney, well... You fill in the blank.

On the Documentary Kurt and Courtney the director states that the bulk of the letter was identified as Kurts random writings to his imaginary friend Boddah and could have been years old that he wrote when he was younger. And the large out of place writing at the bottom was matched to Courtney Love and the nanny's handwriting. Like they both wrote a part at the bottom.

He was murdered plain and simple.

Even if it were a murder, realistically he would have probably committed suicide or OD' eventually in my opinion.

But I still think it was suicide, possibly even assisted suicide as some of the evidence would suggest another party was involved.

Assisted suicide eh? yeeeeaaaaaahhhhh

[quote name='MID' date='Apr 22 2007, 07:26 PM' post='1641500']
Wow...that's revealing.
Is it a motive for murder? Yes, I'd say so...if all that's actually true.

Now, mind you, I never paid all too much attention to Curt Cobain, or Courtney Love (although today, one cannot help getting an ear and eyefull of here since for some reason, she overtly seeks lots of attention), or Billy Corgan...

However, in seeing and hearing Courtney Love speak, and observing some of her behavior, one wonders:

Could she possibly be cognizant or smart enough to have planned a homicide, and executed it sucessfully, and never get nailed for it?

I would say the odds are: no. No way.
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HOW do I get my comments in the gray area below the quote box? Sorry, I am new to this....

I wanted to respond to MissMelWells about the community property laws. I was just thinking that it wasn't really the physical property, on which Courtney might have had her name, that would have been enticing. I would think it is those royalties and other intellectual property that is the real meat of the wealth. Didn't she get to decide what to do with all the unreleased recordings? Didn't she make a mint off his journals and private writings? I don't know much about the legal side of the music business but I would think there would be accounts that she couldn't have touched through a divorce that she did get by his death.

[quote name='geministars' date='May 3 2007, 05:22 PM' post='1657822']
[quote name='MID' date='Apr 22 2007, 07:26 PM' post='1641500']
Wow...that's revealing.
Is it a motive for murder? Yes, I'd say so...if all that's actually true.

Now, mind you, I never paid all too much attention to Curt Cobain, or Courtney Love (although today, one cannot help getting an ear and eyefull of here since for some reason, she overtly seeks lots of attention), or Billy Corgan...

However, in seeing and hearing Courtney Love speak, and observing some of her behavior, one wonders:

Could she possibly be cognizant or smart enough to have planned a homicide, and executed it sucessfully, and never get nailed for it?

I would say the odds are: no. No way.
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HOW do I get my comments in the gray area below the quote box? Sorry, I am new to this....

I wanted to respond to MissMelWells about the community property laws. I was just thinking that it wasn't really the physical property, on which Courtney might have had her name, that would have been enticing. I would think it is those royalties and other intellectual property that is the real meat of the wealth. Didn't she get to decide what to do with all the unreleased recordings? Didn't she make a mint off his journals and private writings? I don't know much about the legal side of the music business but I would think there would be accounts that she couldn't have touched through a divorce that she did get by his death.


No doubt about it. Bottoem line is how does anyone think that dumb C-hunt has any money? Its all unreleased songs from Kurt and royalties. The house did not amount to crap.

Well I'd imagine when your that high on heroin you'd need some help.

Well Courtney is emerging into the public eye once again. She's hired a big auction house to help her auction off all of Kurts possessions. Eventually her inner demons will surface, and it will become quite clear to the public's eye that she is responsible for Kurt's death, their daughter probably will find something that proves her mother did it, wouldn't that be ironic?!!!!!

I think Kurt killed himself. I don't know much about Kurt except he was a singer for Navada. But I was told he killed himself. And that's what I believe.

Sounds like you have really taken your time to come to this conclusion.



I think it speaks volumes that she is auctioning off all of Kurt's belongings. She probably cannot stand to think about what she did, and wants all the memory erased. Also she is money hungry and has no other means of making money than preying off her dead husbands name.

If Courtney Love wanted to kill someone she would be quite brutal, I think.

I'm a big Courtney fan, she loved Kurt so much, I really do not believe he was murdered by her. Yeah she is completely wired to the moon, but she is not capable of murder.



Now, Courtney is actually quite intelligent I have heard. She has been through a LOT in her life, but this is not really relevant as I don't think she did it at all

She would be very hard to live with, so no doubt she somehow contributed to it?? But to KILL him? NO way.

If you even read Kurts lyrics, you could see he was a very unhappy man. I have read 'Heavier than Heaven', and if that is anything to go by, then he wanted to die for a very long time. He was 27, wasn't he? He was obsessed with the whole Rock Star Death thing when he was younger, I may be wrong but didn't Hendrix also die when he was 27? Kurt looked up to him.

Well that's what I was told. *Shurgs*

Big Fan of courtney's huh? I will not continue with my response past that.

Why bother at all with a response then?

I'm not being a complete Courtney tard, am I? No.

My point being is that I find it extremely hard to believe that Courtney love has big fans. She is waste of a human let alone a celeb and a mother. She is constantly on drugs, she cannot hold an interview without acting like a complete idiot. Shows up to award places totally incoherent and blitzed out of her mind. So I ask you what do you like about her? And let me say to your response earlier, she did not get away with murder in my opinion at all. She has shown herself to be guilty as hell, but the cops will no re-open the case. Also you said "if she was going to kill someone it would be very brutal" and I ask you whats more brutal then blowing someones head off with a shotgun?

She writes music that I like... I love Hole and I know they weren't the best musicians in the world but they made a sound that I enjoy very much. I find Courtney Love very interesting, I had the pleasure of meeting her in London a few months back for a brief period of time and she was just charming and looked gorgeous.

She acts like an idiot because she isn't afraid of what people think of her; she isn't going to sit on some chat show and talk about how down-to-earth she is like all those other air-headed celebrities.

I think the police who were at the scene and dealt with the case know far more about it than you or me, do you think Courtney isn't in jail just because she is famous? No, she's not in jail because she didn't do anything wrong. She's ****ed, but she is no murderer in my opinion.

And about the way Kurt died, would you really let someone stick a gun in your mouth? I think Kurt could have pushed her off don't you?

Yeah I heard the hitman theories, in my opinion that is people desperately grasping at some excuse that Kurt was murdered.

It was obvious that he was murdered. There is no way that he could have pulled the trigger on the gun, too much Heroin in his blood stream?

Where does information like this come from, I wonder?

I think the reason for such a conspiracy is that 'facts' have got out of hand. How can you know all this unless it is given out by police? I don't think police are allowed to do this, so ow do ordinary people like us know how much heroine was in his bloodstream??

interesting link , explains what happened to Cobain's career, why he became a heroin addict to cope, etc.


http://www.topix.net/forum/who/nirvana/TAP8NSTHB7L2O1R6T

that claim has been refuted by investigators. I saw a quote by one investigator who says he has found people alone in cars having driven
in high speed accidents with the same amount of heroin in their bloodstream.If you can drive a car to your death o that amount, you can pull a trigger too.

Heroin adicts are far more coordinated that you'd expect. Even ones that are near overdosing. I've seen that first hand. Someone drunk to the point of puking is actually less cohearent and coordinated than a heroin user near overdose.

Cobain was always depressed, even long before he ever picked up a guitar, he was never a happy person.

He also had Crohn's disease (I know this to be a fact from close friends and neighbors of his).

Like the Pink Floyd song says "Comfortably Numb" -- at first, Heroin is quite effective in alleviating both physical and mental pain, but generally not for long.

I'll never believe he was murdered. No way.

Kurt was in pain his whole life, he was so depressed it makes perfect sense that he killed himself.

Also, being a frequent heroin user who's a rock n roll star he probably would have been taking quite large doses of heroin and a frequent user needs to up their doses over time as they develop a tolerance, so it clearly makes sense for him to have a large dose of heroin in his system and there is also much deviation in personal tolerance to drugs from one person to the next, which could account for why Cobain was still able to function.

Or alternatively, still alive & the new line up of Kurt, Tupac, Elvis & Jim will soon be at a venue near you.

oh i wish

It was me, i did it.

I think the herion aspect is far from the most compelling part of the case. I have been with a friend who had overdosed on herion at a party and it did not kill him till about 15 minutes after.

Murder, i think.

During my teens I had a Kurt phase and read everything I could find on him and Nirvana, and it has led me to believe he was murdered. I deem Courtney very capable of murder, to get what she wants. This woman has no talent, and what she has "achieved" she did over the backs of others, when I look at her, I can just tell, yes, she did it.

The books I read on the murder question made some very valid points, some facts you cannot go around, yet nobody re-opens this case...

I echo those who mentioned justiceforkurt.com, go check it out.

Also Nick Broomfield's documentary Kurt & Courtney is brilliant, it shows very well how Courtney Love is, what she has done before she met Kurt and during their relationship, and the mysterious elements revolving around Kurt's death.
He really was the perfect target though... smart woman.

The writer of Smells Like Teen Spirit is still adding to the thread,
and now has gone through the song and done a blow-by-blow
explanation of each and every word of the song:

http://www.topix.net/forum/who/nirvana/TAP8NSTHB7L2O1R6T/p2

the meaning of the lyrics:

A bit of truth
Bring your friends
Its fun to lose
And to pretend

A bit of truth: a bit of honesty and reality
is going to be presented in this song

Bring your friends: honesty is so rare in entertainment and in life, that the song is going to attract a crowd, and you will bring your friends to see it performed live

Its fun to lose : sarcasm. the writer and performer are not particularly enjoying performing and life as it is not a particular call for celebration.

And to pretend: so often in life, or on stage, we have to fake it and do, pretending to be happy, pretending to be turned on, pretending to be things that we are not, big stars etc.

She's over-bored
And self-assured
I know I know
A dirty word

She's over-bored: vulgar term for oversexed
And self-assured: confidently selfish
I know, I know, a dirty word: writer knows that he'll be challenged for vulgar reference to women


hello hello hello how low (X4)

hello hello hello: repeated as a greeting to both the audience and the general public

how low: Means he's not thrilled about using vulgar terms or discussing vulgar things, but performers are often put in positions of powerlessness where they will have to lower themselves to whatever level the public demands.


With the lights out
It's less dangerous
Here we are now
Entertain us!

With the lights out its less dangerous:

people hide from the light of truth, often preferring to watch life than to participate in it.
Another meaning of 'Its less dangerous' is that the writer is sticking his neck out by being so honest under the light of scrutiny. He is taking the risk of speaking the truth publically for everyone , while the people in the audience feel safer hiding in the dark.

Here we are now, entertain us!: people often go through life demanding to be entertained, whether it is attending shows, watching television, or being socially withdrawn around others. The singer is mocking the demands of the audience and the demands of society.

I feel stupid
And contagious!
Here we are now
Entertain us!

I feel stupid: something most people can relate to when being put on the spot, either as an entertainer or socially. The writer/performer is being examined under the light of scrutiny and being honest about he feels about it.

And contagious: Double meaning here: these views may be considered toxic to some, but may catch on with others and spread.


A Mulatto!
An albino!
A mosquito
My libido!
Yay!

A mulatto!: the audience is making impossible demands of him. He cannot cater to every possible demand of popular culture, and the fad of the time was for interracial sex/culture/entertainment. A jab at political correctness and his future place in it.

An albino!: If the audience/public is going to be ridiculous with their demands and their fads, then he will be ridiculous too. How about a freak show? His world is being turned into a freak show of bared emotions and impossible expectations and demands.

A mosquito my libido!:

his desires are secondary to the will of the politically correct public, nothing more than a mosquito to be controlled, avoided, and eradicated.

Yay!:

sarcasm. He is not overjoyed at the state of things.

I'm worse at what
I do best
And for this gift
I feel blessed

I'm worse at what I do best: I am not on stage here or up on my soap box pretending to be something I am not, or saying I am better than anyone else

And for this gift I feel blessed: I am happy with what I am able to do. Though I am not claiming to be some super man, I do know the extreme power of my words. It will be enough.


Our little group
Has always been
And always will
Until the end

Our little group has always been:

There has always been a minority of people who prize the truth and are united by it. A group of people who share the same views are drawn to honesty.

And always will until the end:

the truth and the spirit of honesty, cannot be eradicated by political correctness.

And I forget
Just what it takes
And yes, I guess
It makes you smile

*And I forget just what it takes: I fail to entertain you and meet your demands.

And yes, I guess, it makes you smile: you enjoy my failure. You are entertained by my unhappiness.

*(note: These were the original lyrics. Cobain changed these.)

I find it hard
So hard to find
The will, whatever
Never mind

I find it hard, so hard to find the will:

it is hard to find the will power to perform on stage and in life under the present conditions.

whatever, never mind:

performer/writer knows the limits of what can be said, and has said enough for now, then repeats the chorus
hello hello hello how low
repeating this throughout the song creates the sense of descending into the depths of the writers thoughts and emotions

A denial! A denial! A denial!
A denial! A denial! A denial!
A denial! A denial! A denial!

Society demands that both the truth be denied and that the writer's desires in life be denied.

I have to think that if Kurt Cobain was murdered, the police department would have noticed enough things to label it as such.

The guy was depressed. He alluded to suicide on more than one occasion. The fact he used heroin and such probably only further served towards deepening his depressive thoughts. Before his successful suicide, he attempted it earlier only a month or so before hand. You don't overdose on the pills he overdosed on, along with consuming alcohol unless you are trying to harm (kill) yourself.

If someone had murdered him, they went through a good bit of planning, and thinking ahead to make it look like a suicide. If I remember correctly, he had his I.D. layed out beside him at the scene. I believe they said he had some favorite toy of his (some green thing I think), along with a copy of the In Utero CD placed with everything as well. Not to mention the suicide note he wrote (yes, I know some believe it was forged, or at least that the last few lines were).

Furthermore, what reason would the Seattle police department have to cover it up? You think they have any reason to protect Courtney Love? I don't.

I think this investigator guy is simply looking for ways to make money off this "Kurt was murdered" campaign.

I'm a huge Nirvana fan and wish Kurt Cobain was still around making music. Fact is, he was depressed. Things became too much for him, and on that day he finally completed a thought (and something he had probably battled with far longer than many may realize) by killing himself with a self inflicted gun shot. I hate that it ended the way it did, but I can't really say I'm shocked that that was the end result.

Do yourself a favor if you haven't already Nirvana fans....

Fecal Matter Demo (Nirvana)

Are they real? I don't know for certain, but it sure as hell sounds like Kurt Cobain to me. One listen and IMO, there's no mistaking this as Kurt Cobain.

I stumbled across them on You Tube a few months ago. If you haven't heard them before, it's like listening to Nirvana all over again for the first time.

Enjoy!

BTW thunkerdrone,

Who is it that is referring to themselves as the "writer of SLTS" in the above post you made?

I clicked the link you provided, but I couldn't figure out where this person is getting their information. Somebody that knows Kurt Cobain, or just a fan giving their best attempt at deciphering the lyrics?

if you read the thread in the link , you will see that the writer is the person who gave the lyrics to Cobain in 1986, and now he is explaining
how it all happened, why he wrote it, and what every word of the song means.

Ok let me tell ya. im a profesonial musician, now musicians have the urge to peform publicy show thier talent get people to listen to thier music, now when you get to the level Cobain was at, thier is no way he would walk away from it, the urge is too strong, he is dead, and so is Tupac, belive me musicians can not walk away from the level they spent thier whole lives working towards.

That's one of the most ridiculous things I've heard.

Plenty of successful people have killed themselves in some fashion or another.

Claiming a musician like Kurt Cobain wouldn't dare shoot himself in the head, not only because he is a musician, but because of the level of success he achieved is absurd.

He and the other members of the band were already heading towards a possible break-up. Cobain would have been more than content to hide in the shadows and never be known, as oppossed to being a rock'n'roll star, let alone having the label of legend thrown upon him.

Hmm....I sorta glanced over it.

I never heard about someone else giving Cobain the lyrics to the song. Certainly not in 1986. I would have thought it that were the case I would have heard about by now.

I don't know everything about the band, but I've read a lot about them for a long time and I've never heard about someone else writing the lyrics to SLTS.

If somebody else wrote it--what's with the lyric sheets for the song being in the Cobain Journal's book?

Cobain made a few attempts at rewriting the song, and then gave up on improving it, settled on only a couple of minor changes.
He had no way of contacting the writer, waited for four or five years to see if the writer would ever use them , and when nothing
showed up five years later , he decided to finally use them. He had no way of crediting the song to the writer, and his whole big
record contract was riding on the success of that song ,(he named the whole record after a line in that song) , so he 'forgot'
to mention the fact that he only chose the title for it, changed a couple of the words and put it to music.
His whole image was built on the song, so he had to maintain the lie, but he hated it. Whenever a reporter or journalist or author asked him
what the song was about, he would say it was meaningless. The other band members claim he seemed to come up with it in five minutes
off the top of his head, which is just not possible.
You should read the link, it gets into who wrote it , what it meant, why the song generated so much controversy and so much airplay, and why Cobain was eventually destroyed
by it in the end.
http://www.topix.net/forum/who/nirvana/TAP8NSTHB7L2O1R6T

watch the video of Smells Like Teen Spirit here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPQR-OsH0RQ

British Ukulele Orchestra version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXVdNKciP94

I just read most of that link thunkerdrone, and now I know why I never heard of someone else writing SLTS other than Cobain. (Also, you linked to page 2 which is why I couldn't figure out who this guy was. I didn't realize there were more pages.)

Anyways, the reason is because nobody in the world knows except for this guy making posts on the internet claiming he wrote the song and that he didn't realize Nirvana had been singing it until 2005? I don't know--the guy's story is somewhat convincing, but I'm not buying it. I have a hard time believing this guy who wrote SLTS couldn't realize that the most popular songs of the 90's was being sung with lyrics he wrote. Not only that, but he makes it sound as if the way he wrote the lyrics influenced the way Cobain composed the song.

He then acts as if this incredible burden Cobain faced of lying about SLTS is what led to him using drugs, despising his place atop the rock'n'roll charts, and even suggests it led to his depression and what not. That's a bunch of garbage. Whether someone else wrote those lyrics or not, it's a bit ridiculous to act as if that's the sole contributor to Cobain's demise.

Like I said, an interesting story and perhaps even a convining one, but I'm not about to believe some guy who comes out of the blue 11 years after Cobains death, and 14 years after the song was being played almost everywhere.

He also says Cobain held onto the lyrics for 5 years before doing the song. Cobain was recording a number of songs prior to the release of Nevermind (and Bleach for that matter), yet there isn't one recording of SLTS (demo or otherwise) that predates say 1990 (maybe even '91) I believe.

Furthermore, though this is only specualtion on my part, I would tend to think if that were the case Cobain would have commented on it somewhere in his writings. Granted, it could be that he did and it's just been kept from public knowledge, but I would think it'd get out one way or another if somebody came across something like that. There's also lyric sheets for the song written by Cobain where it appears he spent more time on it than simply changing a line here or there to lyrics someone else had already written.

I disagree about people being able to come up with songs off the top of their head rather quickly. Neil Young wrote "Down By the River", "Cowgirl In the Sand" (and I think "Cortez the Killer", though it may have been a different 3rd song) all in the same night. Many musicians describe times where certain songs just came to them in their heads as if they'd always been hearing them.

As for discussing the lyrics, Cobain rarely discussed the lyrics to any of his songs. It's not like he just said they mean nothing about SLTS. He said that about most of the lyrics to most of the songs he wrote in general. Not only that, but now that I think about it, the lyrics to SLTS don't seem to be all that different from his other lyrics in the sense of how they flow or bounce around from thoughts and contrasts. It's not as if you see the lyrics to his other songs and then come across SLTS and go, "wow, these lyrics are really far different from any others he wrote".

Listening to it now. Pretty cool!

You should read it a bit more carefully. It wasn't just that Cobain was depressed about lying about having written it.
It was that he also turned against the meaning of it. It was originally written as an angry rant against political correctness, mocking
the predominance of interracial unions during that era, etc. Cobain obviously agreed with the message of the song, or he would not
have recorded it, but the song became such a hit that Cobain was being touted as some sort
of cult leader of the angry white guys, and it scared the hell out of him. All sorts of angry white guys were heaping accolades on him
for standing up against political correctness, and trying to contact him with all sorts of damning information on interracial crime, feminism,
the gay agenda etc. They thought Cobain was their political savior, and that he could help them spread spread the word of the conspiracy against white males.
by the forces of political correctness. Cobain was faced with becoming the focal point for a societal explosion of anger that had been building for some time.
He did not want to be the leader , the spokesman, and take on the whole burden of that.

Worse yet, he had not even written the song that was causing it all, yet he personally faced all the potential
wrath of the coming political battle.

So, likely much to his personal and private shame, he disavowed it, but could not come out and publically admit that he did not write it.
He was stuck.

His next step was to put out a live record begging the angry white guys to leave him
alone, because he probably knew he was getting into some pretty dangerous political territory. But he went so far against the people
who originally supported him, calling them all 'racists, misogynists' etc., that he became the darling of the opposite side.
Because he did that, he became a hero of the progressive establishment and was sent on a world tour. Suddenly everyone thought the message of
SLTS was progressive, and Cobain did nothing to dissuade the masses of adoring feminists and middle class yuppies from that perception.
The progressives were eager to help Cobain 'repair the damage' his song had caused, so they poured money into his world tour, public relations,
photo shoots, magazine interviews, television spots, you name it. They spared no expense to tout the new improved Kurt Cobain.

Cobain had somehow managed to cash in on both sides of the political spectrum, found himself rich beyond his wildest dreams. and depressed
beyond his wildest nightmares. He needed heroin to get through the day.


He either committed suicide , or was killed by the Illuminati once he'd done enough 'repairing' and 'apologizing', and was no longer needed.

You should read the link again . It explains how Cobain was influenced by the original writer early in his songwriting career, and copied a lot of the style
and themes in his own writing thereafter. The writer also points out that it is obvious the whole creation of NEvermind was influenced by SLTS and Come As You Are.
Also, when Cobain was describing writing his OWN lyrics , he was accurately describing his own careless and carefree
approach. Cobain was a writer of what he liked to call 'noise songs', and his followup attempts at artistic music in the Utero album fell flat with most of his fans.
Something was missing.

Sorry thunkerdrone, I think you're way, way, way off base with this one.

Also, there was no live CD in which Cobain wrote a note asking homophobes, rascists, and what not to stay away from their concerts and leave them the F alone. It was the Incesticide CD which was a bunch of B-side material. The only official live releases by Nirvana came after his suicide ("From the Muddy Banks of the Wishkah" & "Unplugged").

I'd comment on the rest, but it's too much to try and get into. I'll just say that I don't think anyone really envisioned Cobain as their political saviour (well, maybe some did, but not the people in masses). Certainly a lot of people began paying attention to him and felt his music had more to it than what most bands were putting out there, but it wasn't meant to be anything more than songs. It's not like Kurt Cobain was on par with John Lennon when it comes to him trying to influence politics.

I completely agree about how he didn't want to be a spokesman for a generation. The guy said as much himself while he was still around. It most likely contributed to his final actions. But to tie it all into the SLTS song is a bit much. If that's all it was, Nirvana would have come and gone and that would've been the end of it. The band was certainly bigger than just that one song.

As for being killed by the Illuminati, all I'll say if that I never thought I'd be hearing them brought up in a discussion concerning Kurt Cobain's death. Everything about Cobains background, his life, his drug use and his complications with other things makes the thought of him comitting suicide a very realistic one.

One more thing--he claimed his heroine use had to do with the constant pains he had been feeling in his stomach for a number of years. He said heroine was the only thing he had taken that actually made the pain go away. That's part of the reason as to why he got hooked on it.

I don't know. I think there are plenty of Nirvana fans that find In Utero to be an excellent CD. I know I do. I also think Bleach is awesome. Then again, Nirvana is one of my favorite bands, and to tell you the truth there isn't one song by them/Cobain that I don't like.

His music and artistry was influenced by a hell of a lot more than some guy claiming he wrote SLTS. Cobain had a vast knowledge of the music scene. What he grew up with is what influenced the music he wrote. Reading about him, it's just common knowledge that he drew his musical styles from a large array of musicians.

In Utero was a failure compared to Nevermind. There were no major hits on it, and the main thing that drove its sales was the death of Kurt Cobain.
I found it to be a depressing, disappointing record. The driving force behind NEvermind was the two hit songs , SLTS and Come As you Are, neither
of which Cobain liked nor apparently wrote, and those two songs, unmistakably, lyrically influenced the rest of the record,

Suicide. Why would anyone want to murder him.