Ok let me tell ya. im a profesonial musician, now musicians have the urge to peform publicy show thier talent get people to listen to thier music, now when you get to the level Cobain was at, thier is no way he would walk away from it, the urge is too strong, he is dead, and so is Tupac, belive me musicians can not walk away from the level they spent thier whole lives working towards.

I think you're speaking of yourself and your present attitudes.
You can't imagine attaining the so-called "pinnacle" of rock stardom, as-it-were, and then leaving all of it behind.

However, there are examples of people who have done just that.

Cat Stevens left the business at the very pinnacle of his career.

Could be he didn't like the "business".

As far as Cobain is concerned, he followed an all too typical path to stardom that resulted in all too typical manifestations.

A kid who came from a broken home, who had very difficult teen years, dropped out of high school and finally found some solace in the Pacific NW punk scene, became famous in 1991, and for the next three years suffered the effects of media pressure, drug addiction, and various physical and psychological maladies.

I can imagine that for him, getting away from the whole scene might have been something he would've contemplated. And get away he did...a classic suicide, if I ever saw one.

Tragic, indeed, as all such events are. I think examining Cobain's short-lived stint at "the top", and indeed his very short life, and all that went into it shows very clearly a person who was continually troubled, and who was a candidate for suicide.

The talk about murder seems ridiculous. This guy never did anything to anyone but himself, and his life was a classic suicide recipe.
I think he did walk away from what he worked to attain, in a very permanent fashion. Unlike "Tupac" (how he comes up in the same breath is curious to me), who's death was the all-too-common product of that particular branch of "entertainment" that features a bunch of criminals...largely...posing as "musicians".

I have no doubt that Cobain was dissatisfied, deeply troubled, and wanted out of where he was. I also think he saw no other way that the path he took. No one murdered him.

but belive me Cobain or Tupac or Elvis or Morrision are not walking around out there, the desire to peform the desire to do what you do best is too strong, its natural. and it dosent go away. weither its Madsion square garden or some bar. the desire to play would have them turn up somewhere sometime.
thats what musicians do

I am well aware of what musicians do (I am one).
I am also well aware that the people you mention are not walking around out there. They are dead.

I was addressing your contention that basically said no musician would want to leave what he does best. I think rather adamantly that many have left it...not music, per-se, but the business and the fame and the associated nonsense that often goes along with it.

This is true not just of music, but many endeavors where alot of public scrutiny and attention result from the activity.

You seem to be attempting to counter an argument that these people are alive, by maintaining that they'd show up somewhere performing if they were.

Is someone seriously contending that these folks are alive?

In Utero was a failure compared to Nevermind. There were no major hits on it, and the main thing that drove its sales was the death of Kurt Cobain.
I found it to be a depressing, disappointing record. The driving force behind NEvermind was the two hit songs , SLTS and Come As you Are, neither
of which Cobain liked nor apparently wrote, and those two songs, unmistakably, lyrically influenced the rest of the record,

if you are a professional muscian then you should know.
even people who turned thier back on the spotlight still play for themselves and turn up in bars an clubs. ive worked with a old guy who sessioned for stevens, who still plays at home.
its in you to play, and that very rarley goes away. just cos they are not in the spotlight does not mean they are not playing somewhere.
jimi hendrixs bass palyer plays in a small bar in the south of Ireland almost every week, an he is retired.

You seem to be attempting to counter an argument that these people are alive, by maintaining that they'd show up somewhere performing if they were.

Is someone seriously contending that these folks are alive?

Anything would have been considered a failure compared to Nevermind. The fact that it was so popular lends to the idea that people who thought they were fans of the band because of that one CD, may in fact not have liked the bands entire catalouge of music all that much. You could say the same for many bands/artists that had one huge CD and then tried following it up with something.

Also, Cobain himself really didn't care whether In Utero was going to match the popularity of Nevermind. He had a dislike of the corporate music industry. If only 1/4 of the peope that liked Nevrmind ended up liking In Utero also, Cobain probably would have taken comfort in that.

Part of the reson Cobain didn't like SLTS is because of it's popularity. It also became tiresome after playing it so many times. I haven't heard comments before that he disliked "Come As You Are". Either way, the entire record was a huge success. Songs like "Lithium", "Drain You", "In Bloom" and "On A Plain" were all popular songs in their own right that contributed to the success of the album.

The driving force behind Nevermind wasn't just the songs, it was also the image of the band and the amount of publicity given to them. Their image and overall sound, along with the successful promotion of CD all played a part in being the driving force behind Nevermind.

It seems you reead eveything that guy wrote and decided to digest it all as truth. For all you know, I could be the guy who made that claim and started posting it on the internet. Why in the world would you be so willing to believe his story?

I am well aware of what musicians do (I am one).
I am also well aware that the people you mention are not walking around out there. They are dead.

I was addressing your contention that basically said no musician would want to leave what he does best. I think rather adamantly that many have left it...not music, per-se, but the business and the fame and the associated nonsense that often goes along with it.

This is true not just of music, but many endeavors where alot of public scrutiny and attention result from the activity.

You seem to be attempting to counter an argument that these people are alive, by maintaining that they'd show up somewhere performing if they were.

Is someone seriously contending that these folks are alive?

I have no reason not to believe it. It all makes sense, and everything checks out, especially the definition of the lyrics part. You have to admit the song
makes a lot more sense when it is explained the way he explains it.

Cobain was a man hell bent on getting his life in order.....

I have no reason not to believe it. It all makes sense, and everything checks out, especially the definition of the lyrics part. You have to admit the song
makes a lot more sense when it is explained the way he explains it.

You don't find it odd that it took this guy 14 years after the song had become a huge hit for him to realize that he wrote it?

I know, he says he couldn't understand the words. That's ridiculous. Everyone has probably heard that song at least a hundred times since it became a smash hit. I think if everyone was able to make out the "A mullato, an albino, a mosquito, my libido", not to mention a number of other lines that were fairly easily made out.

If I wrote it, and kept hearing it on numerous occasions, I think I would've have figured it out more quickly than 14 years after the fact.

Exactly.
I think we're both on the same page here, but one of us isn't following...

I asked
If not, then is there some point to this line of talk?

Musician add another tag to MID resume.

Nasa employee during the moon landing missions, professional musician, senior citizen and know it all

Im saying , they are dead.

can someone please explain this... I find this to be extremely suspicious...

"The police reports say that the shotgun was inverted with the trigger and magazine trap door pointing up. That would place the Ejection Port of the gun (where the shell pops out after the weapon is fired) to Kurt's right. If he shot himself with the shotgun facing this direction, the shell should have been found to his right. Why was it found to his left"

Well, I just heard from a friend of mine and a friend of Cobains who I offered to contact regarding the SLTS story.

The story you're reading on the internet is absolutely false on all levels. If I can get permission from my friend, I'll post his email. He's on the road touring with his band, so it takes some time for him to get back to me.

One line of his email says "That's some of the worst fan fiction I've ever read"

Oh trust me Left_Field, I'm with you all the way on this. I met Cobain and Love on a few occasions, and we have common friends. No one around here (Seattle), except a few nuts thinks he was murdered.

I just thought since I had access to people who knew Cobain in the early years (and in fact one person that grew up with him) I'd verify that the story is false. I'm waiting to hear if my friend would mind if I cleaned up his email and posted it, or if he can give me a version that won't give away his own identity (while still keeping it credible).

As for the shotgun shell--I know little about firearms, but wouldn't it be possible the shell bounced around before landing wherever it landed. If he had both hands on the rifle, couldn't it have bounced off his one hand and to the other side of where it was being projected.

Well, I just heard from a friend of mine and a friend of Cobains who I offered to contact regarding the SLTS story.

The story you're reading on the internet is absolutely false on all levels. If I can get permission from my friend, I'll post his email. He's on the road touring with his band, so it takes some time for him to get back to me.

One line of his email says "That's some of the worst fan fiction I've ever read"

I don't think it was murder, there is just too many things that pointed to suicidal tendencies in his life...especially in the last few months. He had a crippling heroin addiction that he couldn't shake, he supposedly suffered from severe stomach aches that wouldn't go away (which is a common symptom of severe depression) hated his fame and worse he had become fodder for the tabloids (to the point that his daughter was taken away after courtney had been misquoted in vanity fair), and by all accounts he suffered from severe derepression. Listen to Nirvana's finale album "In Utero" it's practically one long suicide note if you pay attention to it. All of this only the tip of the ice burg, read "Heavier than Heaven" by Charles Cross, it provides a very detailed and accurate account of his last few months...it's quite disturbing to say the least. I think there is more than ample evidence to support that he was so fed up with his life and who he had become that he had decided to end his life.

I do think there are a few unanswered questions, I think the Seattle Police Dept really messed up the investigation, but I think if you look deeply enough you'll find that it probably takes you back to suicide. I can't say for sure that he wasn't murdered but from everything I have studied I would be very surprised.

Here is the police report if anybody wants to take a look:

The Smoking Gun

EDIT: I forgot to mention Rome! About two months before his death he attempted suicide by taking about 50 Xanax and downing a bottle of champagne, a suicide note was found on the scene. The extent of the damage was pretty bad from what I have read, some accounts say he was without oxygen for so long that it damaged his brain. Interestingly enough it was Courtney who found him called the ambulance and revived him, now that is odd since supposedly less than two months lates she paid to have him murdered. If that was the case why not just let him die in Rome and get it over with? She had been out for the night and found him on the floor when she returned, if she wanted him dead so badly she could have just turned around and walked away problem solved, no mess, no conspiracy.