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devolution
can anyone tell me more about the underground tunnels, other than the cities and civilizations underground
marduk
QUOTE(devolution @ May 14 2005, 08:08 AM)
can anyone tell me more about the underground tunnels, other than the cities and civilizations underground
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you could start with google
its always useful
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=und...le+Search&meta=
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Bio-Mage
We have a comples of caverns back home in Athens that is quite a mystery. They are found in Penteli and they are named after a vagabond greek that used this as a hideout. Ntavelis caves are mentioned on an older thread so just do a search here. I think you will find it interesting. thumbsup.gif
Dark_Lord
In central Italy there are hundreds of miles of tunnels commonly dated to the etruscan period. Only in the city of Rome there are more than 60 miles of catacombs dating to the early roman age (originally, they were quarries, it was just in the early christian age the tunnels were first used as catacombs). The most ancient tunnels date to the etruscan age. Pliny the elder described a maze of tunnels going deep into the earth under the city of Clusium (Chiusi), leading to the fabled and still udisclosed tomb of Lars Porsenna, the etruscan king of Clausium who sacked Rome in the Vth century BC. Many "etruscan" tunnels still seem a mystery, seeming to predate the etruscan civilization itself. The oldest tunnels have a nearly perfect circular or, in most cases, half-circular shape. In many cases, they were later on used as tombs, so that their age or function is still unknown. In most cases, the etruscans themselves seemed unaware of the existence of such tunnels, since they are usually intersected by more recent tunnels. Some features and the marks left on the rock are curiously very similar to the marks which would have been left by heavy machinery.
http://www.acam.it/ipogea.htm
http://www.acam.it/ipogea2.htm
Jack Black
there is a small town near oxford that has a network of tunnells under the town square and surrounding areas, there is not much information about them however a few years back one of the roads in the town collapsed and fell into one of the tunnels about 10 feet.

there is also very limited info on where the entrances are, they were apparantly used by smugglers when the town (no names) used to be a 'hive of scum and tyrany'..........................not much has changed over the years then!
bosnian
there are tunnels on malta island?

people of malta hidden in those durin nazi's bombing during world war 2


And in town ehere I living there is a tunnel from almost downtown to the nearest mountan (8 or 10 km long and difference from sea level are one end on 50 m above sea level, and the other is almost 700 meters above sea level).

Foxe
The town of Frome in Somerset is riddled with tunnels. As far as I know there has never really been a proper historical or archaeological survey of them done, but from what little examination they have received it seems that the oldest are medieval (or possibly pre-medieval) and the newest are 18th century.

[urlhttp://www.askwhy.co.uk/awfrome/mdmfromt.html[/url
Smelly_Cryptozoologist
There's always the hollow earth theory
EyE oF tHe StOrm
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There's always the hollow earth theory



Speaking of the Hollow Earth theory, have any of you guys read "Journey to the Center of the Earth" by Jules Verne? It's a very interesting read. Most likely completely untrue, but none the less a good read if your interested about tunnels below ground.
Smelly_Cryptozoologist
Never read it, would like to though.
Tokoyo
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In central Italy there are hundreds of miles of tunnels commonly dated to the etruscan period. Only in the city of Rome there are more than 60 miles of catacombs dating to the early roman age (originally, they were quarries, it was just in the early christian age the tunnels were first used as catacombs). The most ancient tunnels date to the etruscan age. Pliny the elder described a maze of tunnels going deep into the earth under the city of Clusium (Chiusi), leading to the fabled and still udisclosed tomb of Lars Porsenna, the etruscan king of Clausium who sacked Rome in the Vth century BC. Many "etruscan" tunnels still seem a mystery, seeming to predate the etruscan civilization itself. The oldest tunnels have a nearly perfect circular or, in most cases, half-circular shape. In many cases, they were later on used as tombs, so that their age or function is still unknown. In most cases, the etruscans themselves seemed unaware of the existence of such tunnels, since they are usually intersected by more recent tunnels. Some features and the marks left on the rock are curiously very similar to the marks which would have been left by heavy machinery.
http://www.acam.it/ipogea.htm
http://www.acam.it/ipogea2.htm


Are there any well thought out and presented books that discuss these tunnels? I'd be especially interested in something that was concerned with presenting the nature of the tunnels and the objective facts rather than concentrating on marketing their new theory.
Master Sage
Rome bulit many tunnes in underground areas.
greywolf
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Speaking of the Hollow Earth theory, have any of you guys read "Journey to the Center of the Earth" by Jules Verne? It's a very interesting read. Most likely completely untrue, but none the less a good read if your interested about tunnels below ground.

excellent book.this is a very interesting subject. yes.gif
crystal sage
http://www.greatormemines.info/CA%2093.htm

Bronze Age copper mines on the Great Orme Head appear to be the most extensive hitherto discovered anywhere in the world.


http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-63519885.html

MAMMOTH ADVENTURE; THE WORLD'S LONGEST CAVE SYSTEM, MAMMOTH CAVE IN CENTRAL KENTUCKY
crystal sage

THE POTENTIAL

FOR SCIENTIFIC PROJECTS

IN SAUDI ARABIA’S CAVES

http://www.saudicaves.com/science/index.html

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Very little was written about Saudi Arabia’s caves before 1983, even though its limestone beds and lava fields are dotted with thousands of holes leading to caves that were formed at least a million years ago. Today—with every new cave that is explored—it appears more and more likely that these desert caves may be hiding secrets of great interest to scientists working in many different fields.

Consider, for example, the effect of low humidity on bones and artifacts lying inside a desert cave. In most cases, such items will be well preserved even though they are thousands of years old. Bearing in mind that the Middle East has been inhabited since the dawn of history, we are led to suspect that some vestiges of ancient civilizations may have found their way into the caves of Arabia, nicely preserved and just waiting to be discovered.

These speculations are somewhat supported by the discovery of various artifacts in Arabian caves during the last few years.


The Skeptic Eric Raven
Do we really need to bring back a over an year old cave thread when one is already going? Come on.
DieChecker
QUOTE(devolution @ May 14 2005, 12:08 AM) *
can anyone tell me more about the underground tunnels, other than the cities and civilizations underground

To my knowledge all true tunnels are underground, but not everything underground is a tunnel.

The coolest tunnel I've been in is a giant long tunnel in Switzerland that carried a highway under a mountain. 10-mile-long Gotthard Tunnel.

We have tunnels under the downtown part of Portland Oregon that were used for smuggling and shang-hi'ing sailors back in the 1900's.
Grail Seekers
There's always the Hertford tunnels. I did an article here at UM on them a couple of months back. The long and short of it is that a fellow by the name of Tim Acheson believes that tunnels run under the city and are currently used by Templars and the Illuminati. The article can be found here.
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crystal sage
I am more and more inclined to believe that we still have many active subterranean cities all over the world...

...that they are all connected.

.. that many people live their whole lives below the surface of the earth..



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During the summer of 1998, cave explorers using scientific equipment were able to confirm that a linked cave system some 15 miles in length exists underground in North Wales. Several years ago a researcher by the name of Frank D. Adams wrote on the results of his personal scientific experiments which may prove that giant cavities exist in granite at depths of more than 11 miles, conclusions which have also been supported by Louis V. King, a mathematician who calculated that, at normal temperatures, a cavity would exist at a depth of between 17.2 and 20.9 miles. The authors' findings are also supported by the discovery of "16 Rouse Belts" which give planes of fracture penetrating the globe.Dr. Ron Anjard in an article in the Summer, 1978 issue of Pursuit Magazine, claimed personal knowledge of 44 underground cities beneath the surface of North America, six of which are supposedly located on the West Coast. His information allegedly comes from anonymous American Indian sources. When we relate this to the large number of migration legends (to and from cavern realms) which exist among the native Amerindians, then we may conclude that certain tribes possibly still retain intimate knowledge of underground civilizations related to them via distant ancestral links. Some of the elders of these different tribes, others have suggested, may in fact maintain present contact with several of these cavern civilizations. There are a few indications that some such 'tribes' literally moved underground as a result of the encroaching Anglosaxon civilization upon the America's. Similar allegations are made in relation to South and Central America as well.
crystal sage
Random secret tunnels...


Secret Tunnels Under UT Austin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzW_Fucb1vc


Philadelphia - Underground tunnels and sights from City Hall
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-KYLMu6s3RI


Beijing Underground City
http://youtube.com/watch?v=h7k9CMlPjcI&...ted&search=

200 miles of tunnels under Paris!!!
Paris Goes Underground!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4Ssk7OJTMfU&...lix%20L%27Amour


Ancient Tunnel Discovered by Jerusalem's Old City

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zu4eMi_aVA

underground ufo tunel in guatemala ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VCGc-tpwr4...a%20Aaron%20VCU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jhA5Gqridk...a%20Aaron%20VCU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QT46LGcz9w...a%20Aaron%20VCU
crystal sage
http://toronto.metblogs.com/archives/2007/...os_subter.phtml

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There is a small opening to the underground tunnels off Parliament Street in downtown Toronto. (The entrance is between two apartment buildings, and leads to the tunnels via the sewers.) The underground city (abandoned?) beneath Toronto has its center beneath Gerrard Street and Church Street. Above this area, strange magnetic effects have been observed. (Note: This corner of Gerrard & Church streets has a higher accident rate than anywhere else in Toronto. It is believed that underground equipment utilizing powerful magnetic fields (which have caused many strange magnetic effects in houses near this intersection) are responsible for the bizarre equipment failures that often are the cause of these accidents.) The Indians near Toronto have legends of these tunnels.



http://bldgblog.blogspot.com/2007/08/drain...th-michael.html

http://infiltration.org/transit-spadina.html

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University of Toronto steam tunnels (early July 1999): My pal James kindly offered to show me a small stretch of the tunnels under the UofT, so we met up in the early evening and took the plunge. The entrance, located near the northwestern end of the campus, consists of a wooden trapdoor in the floor leading down to a ladder. Very odd. The tunnels and subterranean rooms beyond were not extensive by any means, but they did have a wonderfully ancient and unused quality. We spent about 30 minutes poking around before coming to the spot where a firmly locked steel grate ends any hope of proceeding further south.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Strange_Man...Copper_Cylinder


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http://journal.davidbyrne.com/



The Sandman
QUOTE(crystal sage @ Oct 8 2007, 12:59 AM) *
I am more and more inclined to believe that we still have many active subterranean cities all over the world...

...that they are all connected.
.. that many people live their whole lives below the surface of the earth..
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Of course, there are subterranean tunnels and caves buit al lacross the world.
Reasons,
1. To be protected during a calamity, war etc.
2. For immediate evacualtion of the populations in times of war etc.

But the statement that these subterranean cities and tunnels could be connected is Way too Far Off.
crystal sage
Others that agree with Icke.....

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/jscott5.html

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One such shrine is located several miles southeast of Oaxaco, Mexico among some very ancient ruins. Among these ruins lies the ancient temple of "Mitla". Various accounts allege that in ancient times this temple descended deep underground into a basement, a sub-basement, and an ultra-sub-basement level. Within this third sub-level a large stone door was said to have concealed subterranean recesses beyond. According to the late subsurface researcher Charles A. Marcoux, as well as the anonymous U.S. Intelligence worker "Commander X", and others, the native Indians of the area centuries ago used to sacrifice humans to the underworld "gods" that were believed to exist within the dark caverns beyond the stone door. These victims were allegedly thrown into these dark chambers alive and were never seen again.


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http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/UFOs/tunnels.html

One such shrine is located several miles southeast of Oaxaco, Mexico among some very ancient ruins. Among these ruins lies the ancient temple of "Mitla". Various accounts allege that in ancient times this temple descended deep underground into a basement, a sub-basement, and an ultra-sub-basement level. Within this third sub-level a large stone door was said to have concealed subterranean recesses beyond. According to the late subsurface researcher Charles A. Marcoux, as well as the anonymous U.S. Intelligence worker "Commander X", and others, the native Indians of the area centuries ago used to sacrifice humans to the underworld "gods" that were believed to exist within the dark caverns beyond the stone door. These victims were allegedly thrown into these dark chambers alive and were never seen again.


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http://www.dark-truth.org/nov-subterranean...llow-earth.html

Harold T. Wilkins, author of Mysteries of Ancient South America, also researched and inquired about the tunnels until he was able to conclude the following: Two underground roads leave the vicinity of Lima, Peru. One of these tunnels is a subterranean road to Cusco, almost 400 miles to the east. The other runs underground in a southern direction for more than 900 miles to the vicinity of Salar de Atacama. This is a large salt desert in Chile, the residue of the ocean water which was landlocked during an upheaval of the earth. The upheaval of cataclysm which created Lake Titicaca raised Huanuco high above its place on the shore line. For information about this event, see the section titled "Tiahuanacu in the Andes" of Imanuel Velikovsky's Earth in Upheaval. http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/gregjenner5.html




http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/gregjenner5.html

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“THIS IS A PEOPLE WHICH SUDDENLY APPEARED OUT OF THE UNKNOWN, developed a great civilization and founded a considerable state. Where did it come from? Where did it take the germs of its civilization, its whole culture and art? People are still arguing about this…There are inscriptions, too, on the prehistoric monuments in South America that are related to the documents of the same people who once lived in and ruled Tuscany in pre-Roman days. Their earliest history is likewise veiled in mystery and darkness. These seals carved in stone are still mute for as yet they suggest a relationship, yes, we may even assume a common derivation for these very peoples of the Old and New World, whose earliest history is still a locked book. It may perhaps be that the [Subterranean] people of San Augustin and Tierra Dentro and the faraway Etruscans are descendants of the same…tribe: THE ATLANTEANS.” Pages 154-156.


Noted historian Timothy Green Beckley has proclaimed Harold T. Wilkins one of the most important writers on the paranormal of ALL TIME, “who immersed himself in tales of Atlantis, lost civilizations in the jungles of South America, haunted treasure troves of infamous pirates, and prehistoric creatures which might still be alive. In the l950s, he became mesmerized by the earliest flying saucer accounts, and his works "Flying Saucers on the Attack" and "Flying Saucers Uncensored" created a stir because of their controversial nature.”

http://archives.zinester.com/43520/.html


The Sandman
QUOTE(crystal sage @ Oct 8 2007, 01:26 PM) *
Others that agree with Icke.....

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/jscott5.html
http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/gregjenner5.html

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Noted historian Timothy Green Beckley has proclaimed Harold T. Wilkins one of the most important writers on the paranormal of ALL TIME, “who immersed himself in tales of Atlantis, lost civilizations in the jungles of South America, haunted treasure troves of infamous pirates, and prehistoric creatures which might still be alive. In the l950s, he became mesmerized by the earliest flying saucer accounts, and his works "Flying Saucers on the Attack" and "Flying Saucers Uncensored" created a stir because of their controversial nature.”

http://archives.zinester.com/43520/.html


CS...David Icke has gone mental with all his rantings and ravings...anything reptilian is full cock n bull! instead of quoting from conspiracy nut's websites, why dont you quote some website with reasonable proofs provided.

btw....the giant's photo which is shown in ur thread and which came from the website linked, is supposed to be dug up by one mr. Dyer in the county antrim which is of course famous for the Giant's Causeway. I strongly believe that the so called 'fossilised' giant is nothing but a stone giant sculpted to give the causeway some credibility or to start a hoax, just like the cardiff giant!

These nuts mix match everything from giants, atlantis, subterranean cities and civilisations and entities from other dimensions, even throw in a bit of spirituality to make a hot pot of tasty edible garbage!!
crystal sage
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http://www.24hourmuseum.org.uk/nwh_gfx_en/ART51465.html

New evidence has been discovered that the medieval caves under Nottingham’s Galleries of Justice museum were once used by the Sheriff of Nottingham as a prison.

The dark dungeon cells would have been in use when the Sheriff resided at the Shire Hall and County Gaol.

“It is an exciting discovery,” said Tim Desmond, Chief Executive at the Galleries. “The cave has always been known as the ‘Sheriff’s Dungeon’, but until now we have only been aware of its later use as a chapel for the Georgian prison.”

“So far we have discovered an ancient staircase that led down to the cells and we are also excavating an area next to the cave,” said Tim.


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It appears that there are known.. of half remembered cave systems. tunnels..under many cities.... especially in England....


http://www.archaeologica.org/NewsPage.htm
crystal sage
http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bi...mes;read=169251

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ENTRANCES TO LOST SUBTERRANEAN TUNNELS NEAR YOU

crystal sage
I so had to share this post.. isn't this old painting beautiful???
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<a href="http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopicp-158161-.html#158161" target="_blank">http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopicp-158161-.html#158161</a>
The Jerusalem Tunnels themselves are a whole different subject though. The most famous of these is the Hezekiah Tunnel also linked above, through which the Gihon spring was made to flow to provide water for Jerusalem in times of siege. This is a very interesting cavity, but it's not connected with the other vast caverns underneath the old city.

The real "underground mystery" in Jerusalem is the famed Zedekiah caves, also discovered by Charles Warren during his stay in Palestine. According to legend, this is where the stone was quarried for Solomon's temple, which is why the Freemasons liked to hold their ceremonies there for the First Palestine Lodge.

To grasp the vastness of the subterranean space, here is a painting made by one of Warren's companions around 1873:
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crystal sage
I so had to share this post.. isn't this old painting beautiful???



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http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopicp-158161-.html#158161
The Jerusalem Tunnels themselves are a whole different subject though. The most famous of these is the Hezekiah Tunnel also linked above, through which the Gihon spring was made to flow to provide water for Jerusalem in times of siege. This is a very interesting cavity, but it's not connected with the other vast caverns underneath the old city.

The real "underground mystery" in Jerusalem is the famed Zedekiah caves, also discovered by Charles Warren during his stay in Palestine. According to legend, this is where the stone was quarried for Solomon's temple, which is why the Freemasons liked to hold their ceremonies there for the First Palestine Lodge.

To grasp the vastness of the subterranean space, here is a painting made by one of Warren's companions around 1873:
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