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greattenchim
i have question? if u were killed by a ghost would that give u a higher chance of ur spirit to come back as a ghost?
Arnack
Uhh, I don't see why it would... Wy would you like to now?
greattenchim
just curious! been reading some ghost storys about ghosts either helping or harmimg u! The question it popped in my head a few mins later!
FungLip
i never heard of a ghost killing somebody.
fallingalien
if they killed you, why would they want you to join.
RH2097
Ghosts cannot kill though. Ghosts are not made up of matter, meaning they cannot push or shove, press buttons or pull triggers. So, you have nothing to worry about.
convert-proof
there was something on Coast to Coast last night about a "dark basketball shaped shadow" that went through 52 vietnameese instantly killing them all. This was wittnesses by a sniper. That might have been a ghost killing. Whether that would increase their likelyhood of their spirits comming back to earth, idk. actually, i doubt all ghost sightings. their spirits either go to heaven or hell. (that is a christian viewpoint)
RH2097
That would have scary to witness.
Amalgamut
i wish the only thing i had to worry about was ghosts coming to kill me. tongue.gif
Xoisk el Soñador
In a major overview, it would matter what the personality of the entity. So it depends what’s the emotional value of the ghost.
matthewgoad
Well if you were killed by a ghost, you wouldn't need our opinion's anyway. So just try it and be sure to let us know how it works.
Falco Rex
I have to say I've never heard of a ghost killing someone before..At least not physically. There are tales of people who commited suicide after believing they were cursed or haunted by a supernatural presence though..
In some cases people claim that these "Victims" came back as spirits. Of course you have to ask yourself..
If this were true; would it be because of the haunting that drove them to it, or more to do with their own emotional state at the time of death?
KevinM
Sigh yes ghosts can kill you. A ghost is capable of moving an object weighing up to 10 lbs(more or less) this includes things like knives that would be extremely deadly if thrown at some one. Also witness the case of the Bell Witch in which the spiirit fed a man an extremely toxic substance ultamitely leading to his death. Inhuman spirits(demons) like the one in the story(it was probably a demon or possibly an elemental that killed those soldiers). I'd also point to the David Glatzel and Ronald Butch Defeo Jr cases where people were probably possessed and driven to murder.

Beyond that consider some of the more bizzarre and inexplicable deaths that happen in the world. Possibly the weirdest is Spontaneous Human Combustion. Normal person bursts into flames and is incinerated in a matter of minutes. No known natural effect is capable of turning a human body into pure ash with in minutes. Even a crematorium will take hours to do its work and leaves bone fragments. THe only standing scientific explanation has been(the very weak) wick theory which also takes several hours to complete and still requires a starting point for the flames. Before some one asks let me explain how it connects to spirits. Poltergeists(probably the most violent and dangerous of the inhuman spirits) are typically tied to elemental forces. There are numerous reports of houses that were bombarded by stones indoors and out, where it would rain continuously inside and most notably where fires would spring up from no detectable source.
grimlund
Death is a mystery and will always be. That question you asked can never be answered. By the way, what is a ghost? No one really knows. There are many haunted places in this world. But what is it? Is it really the soul of a dead person that haunts?
Tia
I remember seeing another story where a spirit pushed a maid over a balcony killing her.

I believe that some spirits can harm you at least.
Falco Rex
I've never heard of the ghost killing the maid story. Sounds interesting..If there's any truth to it; it would be the first and only story I've ever heard where a spirit caused a physical human death..
Although KevinM mentioned ghosts being able to move objects up to ten pounds or so and that includes weaponry. I think it would be safer to say a ghost might "Theoretically" be able to harm you..
However in almost every case I've heard about; the thrown knife invariably embeds itself into a wall or piece of furniture close by, but never actually in the victim..
I've even heard a story of a man waking up with a revolver pointing at him out of thin air..And yet it dropped harmlessly to the ground in a minute..It would seem in most cases fear is the goal rather than harm..
Also mentioned was the Bell witch..I think most of you who've heard the story would feel that it shares much in common with poltergeist accounts..If we argue from the standpoint that poltergeists are a real phenomenon and not just trickery; there's at least enough evidence to support that they are products of the human mind rather than a true "Ghost"..
Of course, in the case of the Bell Witch; it happened long enough ago that we can't really give it too detailed a study, but it seems to me there was plenty of room for physical human involvement in John Bell's poisoning..
Elfstone810
One of my hobbies is studying crime and punishment in 18th century Missouri (weird, I know <G>) and one of the weirdest unsolved mysteries has to do with a ghost known as The White Lady. The White Lady was supposed to be the ghost of a woman who was killed, along with her infant, by her railroad engineer lover, during the days when western Missouri was still very much a wild frontier. He threw the bodies down an old well in the basement of a cafe (I don't have the story in front of me, sorry, so I'm forgetting certain details). Afterwards her ghost began haunting the cafe, predicting death for any railroad man who saw her.

There are a number of creepy stories about engineers who saw the ghost and then were killed, mostly in train accidents but one was run over by a wagon, I believe. (In fact, to further complicate things, one of her victims was, himself, seen as a ghost shortly after he died and before the percipients knew he was dead.) The story doesn't get really weird, though, until you get to the last man who saw her.

He was shot to death in his bathtub. His apartment was on the second floor of a building with no other tall buildings in the area, the bathroom door was locked from the inside and the shot came in through the window screen. The obvious conclusion was that someone put a ladder up to the window. There was only one problem with that theory.

The snow on the ground under the window was unmarked.

The murder has never been solved.
murr
i see no reason why they couldent
but WOULD they want to.. thats the question
if you were a ghost and assuming if they are here they are suffering and want to be in peace/rest whatever... if they go around killing people they would probably never find peace.
KevinM
QUOTE(Falco Rex @ May 15 2005, 07:49 AM)
I've never heard of the ghost killing the maid story. Sounds interesting..If there's any truth to it; it would be the first and only story I've ever heard where a spirit caused a physical human death..
Although KevinM mentioned ghosts being able to move objects up to ten pounds or so and that includes weaponry. I think it would be safer to say a ghost might "Theoretically" be able to harm you..
However in almost every case I've heard about; the thrown knife invariably embeds itself into a wall or piece of furniture close by, but never actually in the victim..
I've even heard a story of a man waking up with a revolver pointing at him out of thin air..And yet it dropped harmlessly to the ground in a minute..It would seem in most cases fear is the goal rather than harm..
Also mentioned was the Bell witch..I think most of you who've heard the story would feel that it shares much in common with poltergeist accounts..If we argue from the standpoint that poltergeists are a real phenomenon and not just trickery; there's at least enough evidence to support that they are products of the human mind rather than a true "Ghost"..
Of course, in the case of the Bell Witch; it happened long enough ago that we can't really give it too detailed a study, but it seems to me there was plenty of room for physical human involvement in John Bell's poisoning..
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The human mid theory of poltergeists is a long discredited joke that keeps circulating. Let me show you the problems with it very simply:
1) No human has ever shown any ability to move any ammount of weight except through trickery(see Uri Geller for example the most famous psychic charlitan of the 20th century)
2) The few examples where people are supposed to have moved any thing it involves incredibly small objects generally a pound or less
3) Poltergeists on the other hand have been witnessed to move objects weighing hundreds of pounds. In one eye witness account it regularly levitated a old wooden chair no member of the family could get off the ground
4)Perhaps most damning poltergeist phenomenon does not actually require the person supposed to be causing it to be present. In many cases investigators will see objects fly around when they are alone in the house
5)There strong elemental ties(see above) doesn't particularly suggest a human source. If people can move objects subconciously how does that explain apports(objects appearing in a home that simply have no place in it) and cases of rain falling insde a house with out any plumbing problems

Poltergeists are almost certainly a type of extremely violent spirit. The bell witch for that matter further because the spirit regularly addressed the family some thing even most of the parapsychologists who beleive the subconcious psi theory consider impossible(particularly the manifestation after the original family died).
Hoagy
I do believe that poltergeist phenomena has been re-created under laboratory conditions recently, I am currently researching this avenue for the debate I am currently undergoing.

The majority of poltergeist cases fade out after about six months or so, but obviously there are the few exceptions. Strangely enough, most cases I have ever read about centre around pre-pubescent girls (moreso than boys, a ratio of almost 95% to 5%). And if it is'nt centred around adolescents then usually around someone who is going through immense emotional trauma. The human brain really is'nt given enough credit when it comes down to matters such as this.

And just for the record, I do believe that the bottle of mysterious liquid in the Bell Witch story was'nt what killed him, it was tested out on a cat and died almost instantly, but no-one knew where the bottle came from or what was in it, but that does'nt mean to say that someone did'nt plant it there and use the story of the 'witch' as a cover.

I also believe that there are very few accounts of fatal poltergeist activity, usually nothing more that scratches or bruises, or moving stuff and making noises.

Also, as a side note, saying that the human mind theory relating to poltergeist phenomena is a joke is a pretty big statement to make. I await the following replies with interest.
Hoagy
QUOTE(Tia @ May 15 2005, 06:11 AM)
I remember seeing another story where a spirit pushed a maid over a balcony killing her.

I believe that some spirits can harm you at least.
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that actually sounds like the legend of the ghost that haunts the secondary school I went to, a maid, whose name was Irmine, was tending to the children one night, she put them to bed and walked out onto the landing. She looked over the balcony as she saw a dark shape move to the side of her, she lost her balance and fell three floors and broke her neck on the ground floor. Her ghost is still seen, usually by the English teachers, or more frequently on the opening night of a play there. She will be seen walking along the top landing before vanishing. There are other stories too, which I will divulge at some point, that was one of the plus points about going to school in an old manor house... creepy as hell!

The name of the place is Coundon Court School

if you google coundon court school ghost, you get a couple of snippets of info, but not too much unfortunately.
LucidElement
i dont think it would either, when ur dead ur dead, but a ghost if just a photgraph in ur head... ghosts can kill you, you only can hurt yourself trying to do something to that ghost, know what im saying, like you can just harm urself.
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