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Ziggy Stardust
How come there is so much stuff on bigfoot compared to the yeti? or are they the same thing?
MJB222
They are very similair cryptids, but I think the yeti is more similair to the skunk-ape.
Fable
Like MJB said, they are basically the same creature(s). The only difference is the environment or culture they are attributed to. I guess a rather simple way of looking at it would be like identifying breeds of dog.. in an odd kind of way. Or, just like many different types of primates have different names. Just a few ways of looking at it.
Pogo
Bigfoot is more accessible to people. It lives closer to populations with high-tech equipment and has more publicity because it is regarded as a myth. Yeti lives in remote areas usually only coming into contact with sheep people who recognize it as a real species and don't seek it out because they already belive it to be real.
Deimos
QUOTE(Socrates @ May 14 2005, 09:09 PM)
How come there is so much stuff on bigfoot compared to the yeti? or are they the same thing?
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There is much more on Bigfoot becasue the areas where they live are much more accesable to humans. Yeti is reported from the Himalayas, not the most suitable habitat for regular activity. Bigfoot lives in the forest on the border of peoples homes and towns, and they live much closer to humans. The habitat of the Yeti is much more hostile and out of the way, making it much harder to access them
XSAS

Agreed, it is easier to stumble across bigfoot while walking thorugh the woods but more diifficult to come across Yeti, unless you are base camp in the Himalayes.
Conspiracy
ya its cuz the environment, its easier to see a bigfoot in a forest then on mountains
openmind1963
i find the snowalker video a lot more authentic looking,and believable than the
patterson video!anyone else seen the snowwalker video???
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Conspiracy
QUOTE(openmind1963 @ May 15 2005, 09:56 AM)
i find the snowalker video a lot more authentic looking,and believable than the
patterson video!anyone else seen the snowwalker video???
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ya, and its more real i think cuz the fact of why would someone get a ape suit and go to all that trouble to climb a mountain and act like some over sized ape
openmind1963
my thoughts exactly!it's one thing to fake something at ground level like the bluff creek video,but to do it high up in the hemalayas,that's going to a lot of truble for nothing i think! thumbsup.gif
charnelhound
i think it is a distantly related species to bigfoots
XSAS
QUOTE(openmind1963 @ May 15 2005, 04:56 PM)
i find the snowalker video a lot more authentic looking,and believable than the
patterson video!anyone else seen the snowwalker video???
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Do you have any links to the Video.
Conspiracy
QUOTE(XSAS @ May 15 2005, 11:15 AM)
QUOTE(openmind1963 @ May 15 2005, 04:56 PM)
i find the snowalker video a lot more authentic looking,and believable than the
patterson video!anyone else seen the snowwalker video???
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Do you have any links to the Video.
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thers one on this site i think in the video section
fritoking
the "snow walker " footage is a proven admitted fake. i fdont have the links atm but i can find them later.. oke here ya go http://www.n2.net/prey/bigfoot/
Conspiracy
QUOTE(fritoking @ May 15 2005, 04:54 PM)
the "snow walker " footage is a proven admitted fake. i fdont have the links atm but i can find them later.. oke here ya go  http://www.n2.net/prey/bigfoot/
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how has it been proven fake? have they found a dude on the top of everest frozen in a ape suit?
openmind1963
QUOTE(Conspiracy @ May 15 2005, 11:29 PM)
QUOTE(fritoking @ May 15 2005, 04:54 PM)
the "snow walker " footage is a proven admitted fake. i fdont have the links atm but i can find them later.. oke here ya go   http://www.n2.net/prey/bigfoot/
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how has it been proven fake? have they found a dude on the top of everest frozen in a ape suit?
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either that,or they hired him to act in star wars. rofl.gif rofl.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif bet that"ape"has a hard time finding banannas on mt everest! w00t.gif
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ALNA70
Here's the article about the faked footage.

The Snow Walker Footage
AVI clip (2.97MB)
Perhaps the most elaborate hoax footage ever produced, it was created by an independent production company developing a TV program called "Paranormal Borderline" for UPN (Paramount).

The footage was greatly debated after its release, but was eventually debunked by the BFRO's Dr. Jeff Meldrum.

There are some interesting aspects to this footage. It was too expensive to create a convincing, intricate costume, so the hoaxers compensated in two ways, both of which provided clues that eventually unravelled the hoax.

The shots are brief, blurry, and distant, thus precluding any detailed images of the figure and eliminating the need for an intricate costume. The lack of image quality is cleverly distracted by the context of the footage.
The hoaxers went to extraordinary lengths to make the footage appear to be part of a vacation video of a European couple mountaineering in the Himalayas. In reality it was staged somewhere near Mammoth Mountain, California.
These compensations led to some obvious questions. With the figure crossing an open snow field likely in view for at least a minute, even the most amateur videographer would have shot more tape, and likely would have zoomed in all the way for the better part of the tape. Why then were there only a few seconds of shakey wide-angle shots when the figure was at it closest point?

The context of the footage raised immediate questions about the identify of the European couple. UPN would only say that an American man provided the footage, that he wanted people to see it, but that he wouldn't speak to any investigators or answer any questions about the European couple. This was suspiciously similar to the "alien autopsy" video scenario, where the shadowy source of the footage refused to come forward to authenticate it in any way. In the case of the Snow Walker footage, the producers of Paranormal Borderline acted suspiciously by steering the investigation away from the source.

Dr. Meldrum, who at first tentatively suggested the footage might be authentic, became increasingly suspicious of the dodgey behavior of the show's producers as he tried to investigate the matter further. He pursued it with UPN for over a year. Eventually, after Paranormal Borderline was cancelled, the producers finally outright admitted the hoax, and explained how it was done.

In spite of all this, they did manage to eek out one more profitable use out of the footage when it was used in the Fox TV special "World's Greatest Hoaxes".

Here's a link to the site I got the story from.

Snow Walker Footage Is Fake
XSAS
QUOTE(Conspiracy @ May 15 2005, 06:54 PM)
QUOTE(XSAS @ May 15 2005, 11:15 AM)
QUOTE(openmind1963 @ May 15 2005, 04:56 PM)
i find the snowalker video a lot more authentic looking,and believable than the
patterson video!anyone else seen the snowwalker video???
user posted image
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Do you have any links to the Video.
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thers one on this site i think in the video section
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Thanks Conspiracy.
Conspiracy
QUOTE(XSAS @ May 16 2005, 03:39 AM)
QUOTE(Conspiracy @ May 15 2005, 06:54 PM)
QUOTE(XSAS @ May 15 2005, 11:15 AM)
QUOTE(openmind1963 @ May 15 2005, 04:56 PM)
i find the snowalker video a lot more authentic looking,and believable than the
patterson video!anyone else seen the snowwalker video???
user posted image
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Do you have any links to the Video.
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thers one on this site i think in the video section
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Thanks Conspiracy.
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np anytime
antiaging
QUOTE(Socrates @ May 14 2005, 11:09 PM)
How come there is so much stuff on bigfoot compared to the yeti? or are they the same thing?
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Seems to me like the yeti and bigfoot are the same creature. If there are any differences they are probably minor differences, like differences in different breeds of dogs. They are different but still just a dog. The yeti and big foot inhabit regions that can get cold in the winter.
The swamp big foot is a different creature. Bigfoot and the yeti have a large human like foot with 5 toes. The swamp bigfoot, has three toes and webbing between the toes. As an example, the monster of the honey island swamp in Louisiana, to the north and west of Lake ponchartrain. This "swamp monster" was featured on "In Search of" with Leonard Nimoy. It was seen by several witnesses. 7 ft. tall with long grey hair; three toed tracks, with webbing between the toes. I suspect that this is the same kind of monster that is featured in the documentary movie, "the Legend of boggy creek", which took place near bottom lands around texarcana, however I don't know if that was a 5 toed or 3 toed beast. If it was 5 toed then it was just another bigfoot.
The large amount of evidence gathered for many years shows that there is a bigfoot.
Strangest true story about a bigfoot, was a french canadian in the early part of the 20 the century (1924) that said he was abducted by a bigfoot to be a husband for his daughter. Bigfoot grabbed him and his sleeping bag and jog troted miles into the widerness into a canyon. Bigfoot, his wife and his hairy daughter lived there. Bigfoot would go off gathering herbs to eat and come back and offer him some. Female bigfoot would not let him escape. The daughter bigfoot, stunk, covered with hair, no breasts. He shot over the head of the mother while the dad was gone and escaped. On his death bed he said that the story was true. When asked if he did have sex with the daughter, he refused to talk about it.
You could probably find this story on the internet somewhere. I read about it in a bigfoot book and also saw it spoken of on TV in a documentary about bigfoot. I forgot the guy's name.
Get on metacrawler search engine and enter: canadian abducted by bigfoot.
You can find several references to it. I read the detailed account in the book, Abominable snowmen, legend come to life.

Wedge
I find the snowwalker video pretty hilarious- I mean come on its a bloke in a suit stumbling his way up a hill. If an animal acted thatway in its primary terrain it would have been extinct millenia ago. The patterson film again is a bloke in a suit walking calmly away- if Bigfoot acted like this ther'd be 10000s of quality photos.

Hoaxers must try better
Conspiracy
ima laugh if bigfoot attacks you
Pogo
The snow walker footage is fake. I think the patterson footage is genuine. It is possible that for the most part they stay in the deep woods where human contact is very rare. Then think about how rare the contact is and then think who carries cameras already rolling around deep in the woods. The odds become much lower of photographing one. The story about the bigfoot abduction/marriage is ridiculous. These are animals. The guy was either in a high quality shroom trip or just lying. I can't believe anyone would believe that.
Wedge
Setting aside my previous point re the fossil record, the area we're talking about has any number of naturalists and wildlife photographers. The area is also criss crossed by roads. The film indicates the animals reaction is to walk unhurridly away. No overly afraid of humans but avoids them. Esentially this is like Tigers, but tigers live in a country with far fewer cameras. We know Tigers exist so why not bigfoot?
Pogo
The deep forests of North America have no roads going through them. The terrain must be gone into on foot. Your previous post makes it clear you don't live in the U.S. I live in a small town encircled by mountains and no natural wildlife photgraphers are in the deep mountains taking pictures of something most of them don't believe in. People are quite clumsy in such rough terrain actually. Most of the people living in bigfoot areas are bumpkin hicks, not educated, camera toting, scientists.
wolftrax
QUOTE(Pogo @ May 21 2005, 09:13 AM)
Most of the people living in bigfoot areas are bumpkin hicks, not educated, camera toting, scientists.
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I'd have to disagree with this statement, many sasquatch witnesses and people living in areas are educated, camera toting, and scientists. In fact there are a great many of these people actively looking for sasquatch on a regular basis.
Pogo
http://www.bfro.net/gdb/show_FAQ.asp?id=412

The bigfoot field researchers organization seems to disagree...
Wedge
QUOTE(Pogo @ May 21 2005, 06:13 PM)
The deep forests of North America have no roads going through them. The terrain must be gone into on foot. Your previous post makes it clear you don't live in the U.S. I live in a small town encircled by mountains and no natural wildlife photgraphers are in the deep mountains taking pictures of something most of them don't believe in. People are quite clumsy in such rough terrain actually. Most of the people living in bigfoot areas are bumpkin hicks, not educated, camera toting, scientists.
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Your opening sentance depends entirely how you define "deep". Has bigfoot NEVER been "seen" near a road

Even if the creature were to live in deep forests we'd still know about it as per Tigers in my previous post.

If the people are such "hicks" as you put it how come none of them have shot it? Or even eaten it?

Most, no all, large animals have been killed by hunters before a scientist ever studied them.
wolftrax
QUOTE(Pogo @ May 21 2005, 10:13 AM)
http://www.bfro.net/gdb/show_FAQ.asp?id=412

The bigfoot field researchers organization seems to disagree...
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From the BFRO link:

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Top 10 Reasons Why There Isn't More Footage

1) Very few people in rural areas keep a camera handy at all times.

2) Witnesses consistently describe initial confusion and fear during their sighting.

3) Sightings typically last only a few seconds. A camcorders' auto-focus, by itself, takes a few seconds to adjust.

4) Very few people go out looking for these animals for the purpose of photographing them. Most bigfoot researchers are "arm chair" researchers.

5) Sightings in a given area are usually rare. Sasquatches may be on the move most of the time.

6) The only practical opportunities for footage or photos with everyday cameras are situations where a sasquatch is observed out in the open, in the day time, from a distance, for several minutes. Those situations are rarely described.

7) The typical habitats are dense, brushy, quiet forests, where human intruders can be heard well before they get within visual range. In those environments a person can be completely invisible to someone standing less than 10 feet away.

8) Sasquatches are likely nocturnal. Hunters and fisherman almost never hunt after dark without a flashlight or lamp.

9) Sasquatches are likely intelligent. Just as their bodies are much larger than humans', so, apparently, are their heads, and presumably their brain cavities as well. They don't live like humans, but they are certainly more complex than other ape species.

10) They may be the most elusive land mammal species of all, yet they receive the least amount of effort or attention from the government.



It says nothing in there about the intelligence, profession, or "Hickishness" of witnesses.

I have good friends within the BFRO, they actively search in areas where there have been sightings, follow up on sightings, and are very well educated and prepared.

Also, there is a very high number of sightings on roadways.
Ziggy Stardust
woa.. veeerrry interesting. I think both the snow walker and patterson footage is fake, but I still beleive in big foot.
mr_halo
QUOTE(Socrates @ May 21 2005, 08:16 PM)
woa.. veeerrry interesting. I think both the snow walker and patterson footage is fake, but I still beleive in big foot.
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yes indeed, even if the evidence is suspect there is no reason to not believe that there is a creature that matches the yeti/bigfoot description out there...

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sowegaMIB
My questions are how can you tell if you see a male or female or are they a-sexual?....can they reproduce on their own?....why is thier no reports of small ones?....
DJ_Quinn
There have been reports of adults with small ones.
Also, of female Bigfeet with breasts.
If it is a humanoid, then there has to be male/female individuals.
That is, of course, if they're real.
HekticMind
yeti and bigfoot are like cousins...ya know ones on one side of the world...other on otherside...lol family rivalry......besides i got a buddy that looks like bigfoot, ol snuffypuffer...he can take that shirt off and jsut run around....so ya bigfoots everywhere
sowegaMIB
DJ Quinn, if you have a free moment let me know where i can read up on those reports b/c all the reports i have seen has nothing about small ones nor any that may or may not have breast, i am going on an expedition this coming up year and i am trying to get all that i can on bigfoot or the missing link...
deerfly
sowega-try www.bigfootencounters.com they have a lot of stuff to check out.also oregonbigfoot.com if you need some more let me know.peace
openmind1963
the patterson and snowwalker footage may both be fake,but they are a hell of a lot better than the crap that got shown on current affair a few weeks back!ray charles could have seen that was fake.
sowegaMIB
thanks deerfly...
DJ_Quinn
QUOTE(sowegaMIB @ May 24 2005, 04:36 PM)
DJ Quinn, if you have a free moment let me know where i can read up on those reports b/c all the reports i have seen has nothing about small ones nor any that may or may not have breast, i am going on an expedition this coming up year and i am trying to get all that i can on bigfoot or the missing link...
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http://www.gcbro.com/OKmurray0003.html

http://www.gcbro.com/ALjack001.html

http://www.oregonbigfoot.com/report_detail.php?id=00332

http://www.bfro.net/avevid/tp/ww.asp


sowegaMIB
ty DJ Quinn...
DJ_Quinn
No trouble at all sowega. I hope you have a successful expidition.
Mr Ed
What would you say if I told you all that I met Bigfoot when I accidently ran him over. I then took him to the hospital, but he liked my family so much that he decided to stay with us. We named him Harry. The Truth is out there?
DJ_Quinn
QUOTE(Mr Ed @ May 25 2005, 11:21 AM)
What would you say if I told you all that I met Bigfoot when I accidently ran him over. I then took him to the hospital, but he liked my family so much that he decided to stay with us. We named him Harry. The Truth is out there?
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I'd say that you really hit a knacker, not a bigfoot.
Mr Ed
You obviously haven't seen Harry and the Hendersons...!
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