I live for the truth
"just the facts man"
i am constantly amazed that when i tell someone the real deal they start name calling
but i heard that the truth hurts so thats probably it

It's not that I don't know anything, it's that I am rusty. I admit that.

Now, be fair. He said you didn't know what you were talking about. You said he was an idiot. One was an (incorrect) assumption. The other was name-calling.

Okay, too late in the evening to be playing family counselor. I'll log back on tommorow.

Now if i was being fare i'd point out here that i did give him the real deal
I know me and A R sometimes get a bit heated but i hold no malice in my heart for him and i respect his opinion
I've had these sort of conversations before and i normally end up being friends with the other poster.
Right Buddy ?

I can admit when I was wrong.

The sphinx has nothing to do with the pyramids, or am I wrong?

You're right and wrong.
The sphinx according to orthodoxy dates from khufu's reign and was built by him
However recent geological evidence points to an earlier genesis for the animal than any other rock hewn construction in egypt.
Thats not accepted by mainstream egyptology yet but it's only a matter of time
of course the public doesn't wait for orthodoxy and makes its own mind up and in this case just about everyone else on earth believes the sphinx to be older than the foundation of egypt.
That was where you were right
heres where you were wrong
The sphinx is on the giza plateau in alignment with the three pyramids there
so its guilt by association

Hold on a bit, did you say there is geological evidence of the Sphynx predating the pyramids?

I was under the impression that several of the blocks used for the pyramid have been conclusively shown to have been hewed from the rock the Sphynx is made of. In other words, the area in which the Sphynx is now was underground, and not exposed until it became a quarry for the pyramids.

The water erosion of the body of the Sprinx dates to 10,500 BCE, when the land was fertile and lush. Now that I know for sure.

Sorry, but the person who advanced the 10,500 BCE date (John Anthony West) hired professor of science and mathematics (not geology) Robert M. Schoch to confirm his preferred date, and while Scoch did agree that the damage was done by water erosion, he did not agree that it was done so far back in time as West wanted it to be.

It should also be noted that there are many problems with the theory that Schoch put forward, most of them stemming from a basic lack of knowledge concerning Egyptian history, and from a misunderstanding of geologic sciences, which should be considered unforgivable for a professor, even at a general studies college. There are no current geologists that agree with Schoch's theories, and none who have been able to defend his reasoning. There are, however, detailed studies of the erosion on the Sphynx, and full explanations as to why it occured and how it occured.

Please direct me to some of these explanations. If the Sphinx is not older than the pyramids, then why do none of the Egyptian Pharoah's claim its creation? It must be older than the Egyptian civilization since the erosion on the body of the Sphinx pre-dates the earliest known dynasty. The climatology in the area points to the Giza Plateau becoming barren after its creation. Or, here's an idea... Could the Nile have shifted its course during that time and the Sphinx was in its path beforehand? It was the symbol of Egypt, however its purpose is unknown. Could the Sphinx really be the oldest known time capsule?

Actually iirc
Robert M. Schoch is well-known for his research on the Great Sphinx as well as his studies of the underwater structure off the coast of Yonaguni Island, Japan. Currently a tenured faculty member at Boston University's College of General Studies, Schoch completed his graduate work at Yale University, earning a Ph.D. (1983) in geology and geophysics.

Since 1990 Robert Schoch has been researching the age of the Great Sphinx, in conjunction with John Anthony West, and based on his geological studies, he has determined that the Sphinx's origins go back to pre-dynastic times. Schoch discusses the Sphinx and other topics in his book Voices of the Rocks. Dr. Schoch has also published a new book, "Voyages of the Pyramid Builders The True Origins of the Pyramids from Lost Egypt to Ancient America" . Schoch has lectured widely on paleontology, stratigraphy, and the age of the Great Sphinx. He is the author of numerous papers, reviews, abstracts, and several books besides the two mentioned above (including the textbook Environmental Science: Systems and Solutions. In recognition of Schoch's paleontological contributions, in 1993 the new genus Schochia, an extinct group of fossil mammals, was named in his honor.


so he is a well qualified geologist after all.
but he isn't claiming that the sphinx dates from 10,500 bce
he never did. That figure was pulled out of a hat by Graham Hancock who had a new theory at the time which states that the sphinx was built in 10,500bce by a super race to celebrate the astrological procession as we entered the age of leo.
Problem is the ancients didn't see the constellation of leo as a lion. So his theory doesn't hold water. Hasn't stopped him bringing out book after book on the subject which A R has obviously read and believed hook line and sinker.

If you want to know what Robert Scoch has to say about the sphinx go here and read it yourself.
this is called taking it straight from the horses mouth A R.
without any of the erroneous crap that get added at a later date by pyramidiots
http://www.robertschoch.net/articles/Ancie...eat_Sphinx.html

He is the only geologist on earth of his calibre who has examined the sphinx in great detail which makes him a better expert on the matter than Zahi Hawass (egyptian director of antiquities) who claims that khufru built it for obviously nationalistic reasons. i,e, if he didn't then schoch is right and it wasn't built by egyptions. Just imagine another nation might want it back.

The tablet between the paws tells the story of how the Sphinx was found and the lore of one man who unburied it to become Pharaoh. The bottom portion is missing which could enlighten who the builders were. But alas, the sands of time have blown that part of the inscription away.

Atlantis, you can find most of the explanations on the very link you gave me concerning the chamber beneath the Sphynx.

link ?

The Prince and the Sphinx

http://www.egyptianmyths.net/mythsphinx.htm

Attempts were made to uncover it as early as 1400 B.C., by Thutmose IV. When he was a prince, he fell asleep under the head of the Sphinx after a tiring hunt in the desert. In a dream, the Sphinx told him if he freed him from the sand the Sphinx would make him king. After he dug the Sphinx out, he recorded his dream on a stone tablet between the Sphinx’s paws.

http://www.courierpostonline.com/brainstorm/0201/page2.html

Unfortunately, as you said, the bottom portion is missing. It could have told us who the builders where, or it could have given us the Prince's favorite brownie recipe. Difficult to tell.

Considering, however, that the story on the tablet concerns only the young prince's rise to power, it is unlikely that it contained either.

any pictures of the actual tablet A R

Look when they found the room under the sphinks front left paw they were sopose to open it live on t.v. but the egyptain goverment stop the opening then about a year later they let a film grew come in and they open the room on t.v., o.k. BUT that gave then time too go in and find what was in there it was sopose too be a big deal, but the egyptain goverment said it was not safe to go in,then why was it safe a year later, it was safe because they had time to open the room, and get out what they did not want the world too see, the rumer was the secreats of man kind were hidden there, but who knows since they got to it first, also many belive the sphinks was built by a supper race of space travelers long befor the egyptain ever ruled egypt, plus how do you explain the temples they built even with the technology we have today we can not cut stones the way they did or fit them together as well as they did

Actually we can, but it is so inefficient and slow compared to modern methods, that we do not.

I cannot recall any of the story that you are talking about. Do you have a link with further information?

shes probably read a few books and so considers herself an expert

Well, everyone has to start somewhere.

the bottom
you're quite right
i just wish that wasn't the case
it gets very tedious

She's talking about the legend of the hall of records
god knows where she read it happen like that
iirc Atlantis Rising is this forums newest authority on wether or not there's a chamber under the sphinx's paw
i'm sure he'd love to answer this one

TY, Marduk.

They haven't opened "The Hall of Records" yet. The E. gov't believes its excavation would be too dangerous and damage the Sphinx. However I believe an attempt was made to dig a small hole underneath the Sphinx to locate the chamber, to insert a camera inside to see what was in there. But not positively sure if that occurred.

The Roswell man loves egypt
always full of 'unsolved mysteries'

Considering the Sphynx crumbles everytime you look at it wrong, I can't really blame them.

I think "Fingerprints of the Gods" and "Heaven's Mirror" are probably better resources than "Mars Mystery" unless you are really trying hard to build a mars/giza connection. They're all by the same author, Graham Hancock.

I would also recommend extreme caution when referring to Hancock as a resource. Check your sources carefully, or your credibility might suffer merely from aquaintance.

and marduk
will have sent to the
looney farm
lol

Hancock lists his own resources clearly enough. If you disagree with his conclusions or his backing data, you should explain why, but I've had plenty of experience with ardent anti-Hancock trolls; and this forum seems crawling with them. U-M can keep itself, I'm off.

its the fact most of his sources and evidence he brings to his arguments are suspect, circumstantial or completely false.....

or added in because they seem to point to his super race in 10500bce
Thats where it all started.
he went out of his way to hire one of the best geologists on earth to back up his claims
when the geologist said the wrong answer he went ahead and published anyway
that's happened twice now
once with the sphinx
once with yonaguni
both times hancock bought in a well known and respected geologist who immediately disagreed with almost every point he made.
Hancock is not respected in academic circles at all.
because he's a journalist
not a historian
not a geologist
not an egyptologist
he just writes books for the gullible masses
what amazes me is that there are that many gullible people out there buying them
but then just think about Zech Sitchin and you realise that not many people know anything about the subjects they're reading
ask a Sitchenite how many actual sumerian books he's read and they normally reply "everything Z S has written"
most of them don't even know where sumeria is
but thats humanity for ya

Gabriel,
what's a Spartan doing on U-M?

But mind prevoking!

maybe for you

Provoking my mind isn't enough. I like to have conclusions too. Anyone can drop 100 possibilities for anything. Not too many can narrow down the actual probability of something happening. Frankly, opening your mind to the point that you willingly accept statements known to be incorrect from a person known to exagerate and outright lie, does not seem like a wise strategy.

From a philosopher's standpoint: one answer rises a hundred new questions.

From a scientist's standpoint: Don't confuse a good question with a stupid question. You'll have enough of them to deal with as it is.

aha yes but you see Hancock never has any answers
philosophise your way out of that one socrates

Hancock has answers. He just manipulates them to serve his ideals. So, from his P.O.V. his answers are perspectively correct. All life is derived from self-awareness and an idealogy with the world. If he feels he knows the answers to the universe that's his prerogative. And in scientific and archeaological circles his ideas are debated in open forum to further the levels of thought. Whether they're right or wrong, he actually takes steps to explore the ancient past instead of letting it sit barren. Whereas most research is 95% done in the library, Hancock actually goes out and explores. 90% of archaeologists never do that. Their noses are always in books. Hancock takes chances and I admire him for that.

I would not even go that far. Frankly, I doubt that he actually went out and investigated, as some of his theories defy existing physical evidence. That's why his theories tend to lack credibility; he focuses on being perspectively correct, instead of objectively correct.

In other words he comes up with a theory based on personal belief and then bends the facts to fit
not unlike a poster not a million miles away right now

And just who are you referring I might ask?

Oh hi there A R, didn't see you there

The Sphinx is a depiction of a Cherubim-like angel. As are many of the other strange creatures in Egypt.

a cherubim

the sphinx
now compare


what are you blind or something


i also fail to see any similarity either between the ibis or jackal headed gods of the ancient egyptians and cherubim
you Fundy christians are all mad in the head aren't you.
get a life

Angels were not conceived in AE, they did not exist. It was only when later religions came around that Angels were born in the minds of men. So, the Sphinx couldn't possibly be a representation of a Cherubim-like angel.

PS Marduk, reduce the size of that picture.

No its a Large clue to how wrong Ashley is.
its in direct proportion to the precentage of how wrong most of her statements about religion and ancient history are.
She clearly displays no knowledge of ancient cultures whatsoever.
Her claims that the ancient egyptians learned to write on papyrus are profoundly untrue as is her claim that the sphinx is a cherub.
I mean look at the two pictures. was the sphinx perhaps carved by a disabled blind man with no hands that had heard a vague description of a cherub 3000 years before it was invented. Like Duh
Why am i thinking of the term "Fundementalist" and a male bovines defecation right now
anyone ?