because the first rule of religion is "i am right, you are wrong"

thats why religious talk between various faiths sounds like:

i am right!
no i am right!
no your wrong, i am right!
blasphemy! you will burn in hell!
i have no hell. you shall feel the wrath of my god!
your god is false.
no your god is false!
......


then people like me come along...... and the religious unite against a common enemy

I am not religious.

Ok, I get the part where if your 80 when you die you'll be 25 in heaven, but what of babies? If a baby dies at age 1,(lets say he was babtized so he'll go to heaven), what age would he be?

Probably the baby would be a middle aged person, as if that baby had grown from the time of death till they were 30. They would have the same personality as they would have had when they had gotten older. Of course, I am only guessing. The Bible does not talk much of an answer for this question.

could babies go to hell? I mean, lets say a 1 yr old does something that would make an ordinary person go to hell-would that mean the baby goes to hell?

Also on a simular note, would it be considered a sin to eat a picture of Jesus?

No.

Hmm...I'm not sure how this would be a similar note, but the answer is no.

What on earth could a one year old possibly do that was a sin Bobbafett?

and I'm assuming the other question was on a similar note because it's just as silly....

"thou shalt not poop with such force as to spray across an entire room"

perhaps not a sin, but bloody freaky!

hahahaahah

LMAO!!

That should have been the 11th commandment.

Question: "What happens to babies and young children when they die? Where do I find the age of accountability in the Bible?"



Answer: The Bible nowhere specifically mentions an age of accountability. It is commonly assumed that children are automatically taken to heaven when they die until they reach the point in which they are able to make a decision for or against Christ. King David had a child die, and he comforted himself with the thought, “Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me” (2 Sam 12:23). David knew that he would see his child in heaven one day. From that statement, we can assume that babies and young children were, by grace, covered for salvation by Christ’s death. The Word of God does not specifically say this, however. But knowing the love and grace of God, this would seem consistent with His character. Thirteen is the most common number given for the age of accountability based on the Jewish custom that a child becomes an adult at the age of 13. However, the Bible gives no direct support to the age of 13 always being the age of accountability. It likely varies from child to child. A child has passed the age of accountability once they are capable of making a faith decision for or against Christ.

Just some info I found.

Some people (mentally handicapped) probably never have an "age of accountability."

They are children of God forever.

Yes, we are all born into a sinful world. Sin taps at the soul from the moment you are born, and begs to get in.

I agree. But like we all know God is the judge and he knows our hearts better then anyone else.

That is not what your Bible says. At the moment of conception.

Yes, that too.

And PER the Bible "sinners go to a lake of fire and brimstone for eternity".

Those who have rejected Christ will go into the lake of fire.

But not little children they are innocent.

And God isn't like that.

Where I watch them from my A/C penthouse condo.. sipping on ice cold Long Island Ice Tea... then maybe a poker game with Satan, Hitler, Stalin, and a friend of thier's...

OK then, Where do sinners go?

Kegger on the beach of the lake of fire...

Same place. They will roll around together in the flames, and they will like it.

Is this the God you love?

PS. Sorry for the low blow

This is the Psalm of David. He had commited murder and adultery. He is basically exaggerating a point that he has sinned for a long time. He goes on by saying in the next line....

"Surely you desire truth in the inner parts; you teach me wisdom in the inmost place.
Cleanse me with hyssop, and I will be clean; wash me, and I will be whiter than snow.
Let me hear joy and gladness; let the bones you have crushed rejoice.
Hide your face from my sins, and blot out my iniquity.
Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me.
Do not cast me from your presence, or take your Holy Spirit from me." (Psalm 51:6-11)

Basically, he is asking God for forgiveness. David is confessing that he has been a sinner from the time of conception, however he still seeks to have his sins washed away by the blood of God.

"Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me..."

He is basically saying "Surely! I have been a sinner for most of my life, I was probably a sinner from the time of conception!"

He is exaggerating a point.


It's ok, I wear a cup when I get on the computer.

if heaven sucks,i bet hell is'nt a picnic either!

meh.. I'd rather just call the whole thing off...

I agree..... I'd rather burn and laugh evilly with the devil...... .
MUUUUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

again, too bad they really are not separate places, but states of mind.

if we exist beyond death, there will be no separations. Ascention is about unity, not division.

any god that could not see this is not a god at all, for it is clearly beneath us.

It's simple see, the good people go to a good place, and the bad people go to a bad place.

too bad that
1) good and bad are merely human constucts and as such are artificial.
2) the constructs are relative, not absolute.
3) what of the paradox where a "good for heaven" person's paradise would be to spend eternity with a loved one deemed "good for hell"? the only way would for them to be in the same place.

besides, any god that makes such a rotten father by even our mere human standards is not fit to judge anybody. you know what happens when you can't do your job. it is long past time to can the man (where is the donald right about now?).

What do you mean by "rotten father?"

look back at the posts we were exchanging yesterday.

any "father" that would test his son of his faith and love in him, and should he falter be abandoned, is a sick father. (this is based on the discussion of whether or not jusus knew a priori what awaited him post crucifiction where you implied he did not know, making him equal to us)

I said he did know what was going to happen.

in which case, as we went over before, he did not sacrifice anything at all.

in fact, given the info that came forth from your side yesterday, i can conclude the following:

1) since jesus gained eternal knowledge from the crucifiction, he gained from it
2) since god gained greater understanding of humanity from the crucifiction he gained from it. a more important point to this is that since god gained new knowledge and understanding, he was not all-knowing to begin with!

so we see how the crucifiction was of benefit to both parties, and that the god was not all-knowing prior to the event which implies he is not all-knowing now either.

jesus as god shows christianity to be false (as does jesus as man based on the conversation before).

He already had "eternal knowledge" to begin with, except for the day and the hour. However, I thought I explained the reason for this already?

Not sure what you mean here. God already knew about humanity to begin with. That was the reason that he sent his son, so humanity would be saved from their sins.

Yes, but the price was the life of Jesus.

I'm not sure what leads you to believe that God was not "all knowing" to being with.

How does Jesus show Christianity to be false?

amulgamut,

follow the link posted in "the real christianity" by something like laughter (i think).

it talks about how god learns new stuff about humanity via the crucifiction, and jesus carrying the knowledge of the crucifiction,etc.

while jesus had eternal knowledge of godly proportions, the new experience expanded on it. sounds like a paradox that someone all-knowing can learn more....

again, since he had eternal knowledge and was a god, he did not sacrifice anything. in fact, the only ones to benefit from the entire crucifiction if we follow this thought of jesus being a god were jesus and god. they went from not fully understanding humanity to better understanding humanity. so much for all-knowing, again!

in short, "jesus as god" invalidates christianity because:
1. he did not sacrifice anything (in fact he benefited)
2. as a god, he could not die, and thus there was no resurection.
3. god was not all knowing

in short, "jesus as man" invalidates christianity because:
1. the god was an "evil/dark" entity by our understanding contrary to everything christianity preaches.
2. as a man jesus could not carry existential knowledge of heavens/hells/afterlifes/gods/etc thus his words have no solid basis (no real world experience)

Anyone here for a robust round of Kumbya???

No =(

Denied again.....

"kumbya myself, kumbya. ..."

it just does not sound the same when you are your own lord!

Civilization commenced when man first dug the earth and sowed seeds.

Religion began when man discerned the sun's compassion on the seeds which he sowed in the earth.

Art began when man glorified the sun with a hymn of gratitude.

Philosophy began when man ate the produce of the earth and suffered indigestion.

Kahlil Gibran

He sacrificed his body. Humanity were the people to benefit. Jesus was already the son of God prior to the death on the cross.

He did not die. His body did. However, his body was resurrected to show the people he was in fact the son of God.

God knew just as much prior to Christ. God knew what the outcome would have been without Christ coming to earth.

1. if heaven and being with god is all it is claimed to be, then he didn't give up anything in expediting his return to his cherished land!

2. his body was a dunsel then

3. did he? then why do some christians claim otherwise? also, if the god knew the outcome there was no point to any of this now, was there?

On the subject of children. Unborn/stillborn babies go directly to Heaven as do children under the age of 7. There is a specific place for babies however, in a level of Heaven.

Take into account reincarnation also.

Oh and for the last MF time, it was not a 'hellish' NDE. It was a good one. You know bright light et al!? I said 'wierd things happen AFTER NDE's' I startd getting wierd dreams of both Heaven AND Hell AFTER the NDE which are backed up by non-canon books I never knew existed until years AFTER the fact. I also had wierd prophetic dreams. I.e. dreams that show a future event which did in fact happen. 9/11 was one of them.

Sorry if that sounds harsh, it's not the fisrt time something has gone and assumed what my NDE was even like because of dreams I had AFTER.