QUOTE
Muhammud is false, simple as that.
only as false as the prophets that came before him.
Full Version: Heaven Sucks
only as false as the prophets that came before him.
QUOTE(hyperactive @ May 25 2005, 11:50 AM)
QUOTE
Muhammud is false, simple as that.
only as false as the prophets that came before him.
[right][snapback]640148[/snapback][/right]
Again I ask you, if Muhammud were a true prophet then why isn't he known to the Jews and Christians?
QUOTE
You seem to be in the opinion that I care what your "opinion" is.
Fair enough. I really don't care.
QUOTE
Also, you must fail to realize the reason for those two towers comming down in your state was due to the beliefs in "Muhammud."
Remember that next time you try and defend him.
Remember that next time you try and defend him.
Let me let you in on a little personal history:
I worked in the trade center up until September 11, 2001. I lost friends, co-workers, and family in the attack on the towers. I was there every day and most nights for three months after the attack to help re-build what was destroyed.
Do not lecture me about the actions of a group of extremist radicals who defend their faith to the death you arrogant little man. Your attacks against other belief systems is no better than theirs. With the exception that you haven't resorted to violence to try and impress your beliefs on others.
Now, as to extremists, shall we list the number of medical clinics bombed by "god fearing christians"? Those who are supposedly so concerned about the sanctity of life, that they resort to violent actions against doctors, nurses and patients of medical facilities who perform LEGAL practices that they personally disdain?
You make me ill with your sanctimonious prattling, and I'll not waste anymore of my time or yours in debating your pathetic little beliefs.
QUOTE(Amalgamut @ May 25 2005, 10:00 AM)
QUOTE(hyperactive @ May 25 2005, 11:50 AM)
QUOTE
Muhammud is false, simple as that.
only as false as the prophets that came before him.
[right][snapback]640148[/snapback][/right]
Again I ask you, if Muhammud were a true prophet then why isn't he known to the Jews and Christians?
[right][snapback]640184[/snapback][/right]
what if he is denied because he is true?
notice how defenders of religion quickly dismiss that which challenges their belief structures. acceptance of the message of muhammad might be detrimental to the existance of judaism and christianity!
QUOTE(JMPD1 @ May 25 2005, 12:09 PM)
Your attacks against other belief systems is no better than theirs.
[right][snapback]640208[/snapback][/right]
[right][snapback]640208[/snapback][/right]
And you act like you have never attacked Christianity.
QUOTE(JMPD1 @ May 25 2005, 12:09 PM)
With the exception that you haven't resorted to violence to try and impress your beliefs on others.
[right][snapback]640208[/snapback][/right]
[right][snapback]640208[/snapback][/right]
Yeah, you're right. Christians run planes into buildings in the name of "Allah."
QUOTE(JMPD1 @ May 25 2005, 12:09 PM)
Now, as to extremists, shall we list the number of medical clinics bombed by "god fearing christians"?
[right][snapback]640208[/snapback][/right]
[right][snapback]640208[/snapback][/right]
This is like comparing a firecracker to a atomic bomb. Anyway, in the Bible, it does not suggest you go out and kill others that perform abortions.
QUOTE(JMPD1 @ May 25 2005, 12:09 PM)
You make me ill with your sanctimonious prattling, and I'll not waste anymore of my time or yours in debating your pathetic little beliefs.
[right][snapback]640208[/snapback][/right]
[right][snapback]640208[/snapback][/right]
You make me ill that you actually defend a religion that says its ok to run planes into american buildings. It seems as if you will grasp onto anything to attack Christianity, even if it's a religion that has attacked your state. (and countless other countries....)
QUOTE(hyperactive @ May 25 2005, 12:10 PM)
what if he is denied because he is true?
notice how defenders of religion quickly dismiss that which challenges their belief structures. acceptance of the message of muhammad might be detrimental to the existance of judaism and christianity!
[right][snapback]640211[/snapback][/right]
notice how defenders of religion quickly dismiss that which challenges their belief structures. acceptance of the message of muhammad might be detrimental to the existance of judaism and christianity!
[right][snapback]640211[/snapback][/right]
That's the thing. Judaism and Islam are very much the same. They both believe in Jesus, but not as the son of God.
If Islam were true, the Jews would recognize Muhammud. Simple as that. However, they do not.
The Jews would have nothing to lose by accepting Muhammud, but for some reason they do not. Now....what exactly would that reason be......
QUOTE(Norman @ May 16 2005, 02:29 PM)
QUOTE
Imagine always being happy and always knowing everything. Its fun at first but then it gets really boring really fast. Now imagine being all the above for ALL ETERNITY. thats the heaven that everyone always seems to preach whenever they're describing heaven. Not to sound sacreligous or anything, but heaven sounds depressing. Life is made interesting by learning new things and experiencing new things. Being unhappy and learning makes living fun. I can't fully describe what I'm am trying to say, but I hope its at least a bit understandable. Am I the only one who thinks this, or are there others out there who are depressed by the concept of the Christian life-after death?
Not to sound sacreligous or anything, but HEAVEN = SKY
Heaven and the Kingdom
Heaven, incorrectly thought to be a divine retirement home, which is vaguely located somewhere "up there", and "the kingdom", also incorrectly thought to be a "place", are inappropriately labeled as the destination we go "to" if we do whatever the pulpit says to do to "get" there. The Bible completely contradicts this concept. The prophecy "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth." (Matthew 5:5), is very clear about the true inheritance of those who seek his promise, not heaven but the planet. These two verses show that the Christ not only considered meekness an essential part of his own personality, but that it is also a spiritual trait of great value:
♦ "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls." (Matthew 11:29)
♦ "But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price." (I Peter 3:4)
Heaven Is The Sky
Not a divine retirement home.
In the Bible, all these clouds, whirlwinds, pillars, vessels, chariots and pavilions are seen hovering in, coming down from or rising into heaven. The thunders, trumpets and voices that are heard are heard from heaven. All the men who leave the ground and all the angels and metallic, glowing beings that come down to the ground do so either to, or from, heaven. All the lightnings, streams of fire, brimstone and other destructive things mentioned have their origin in heaven. Even wars are fought in heaven. Since all these things are seen in relationship to heaven, the way the word ‘heaven’ is used is the key to understanding these phenomenon and must be explained. The word heaven is used over 500 times in the Bible. In the Old Testament ‘heaven’ is translated almost exclusively from two different words. The Hebrew word 'shamayim' which is defined as ‘the sky', the place where the clouds and stars are, or 'shamayin', the Aramaic word of the same definition.
In the Old Testament ‘heaven’ is translated from other words only five times in the following verses:
Psalms 68:4 it is translated from the Hebrew, arabah, ‘ the desert ‘
77:18 the word is galgal, Hebrew for ‘ wheel or whirlwind '
89:6 & 37 where it is translated from the word shachaq, Hebrew for ‘ powder or thin vapor ’.
Isaiah 5:30 heaven is translated from ariyph, Hebrew for ‘ the sky ‘
The New Testament defines ‘heaven’ from the Greek word ‘ouranos’ meaning ‘the sky’ in all but 7 instances :
Philippians 2:10 Greek epouranos, ‘ above the sky, celestial ‘
Revelation 8:13, 14:6, 19:1, 11, 14, and 17 from the Greek word mesouranema, meaning mid-sky
The infrequency of the word ‘sky‘ in the Bible must also be looked at in the overall study of this concept. The words sky or skies only appear 11 times in all 66 books. The words for things that normally appear in the sky such as clouds, stars, whirlwinds, storms, lightning, birds, rain, hail and wind appear over 600 times. Heaven is the word the translators of the King James Bible in the early 1600's purposefully translated into the original words biblical authors used for the physical sky and not some ethereal plane. The King James Bible was translated for King James of England who lived in a royal castle, surrounded by royal people, all speaking a royal language; a very proper form of court English.The Court English employed entirely different words to describe things, thus,confusing the commoners as to the meaning of certain words. You was thee, raiment was clothing and sky was heaven. Therefore, in all but the above noted instances, the word heaven should be read as sky. Heaven is the sky and sky fits in every instance. Heaven is not the place with the 'pearly gates' or the 'streets of gold ' as the pulpit would have you believe. That is the new Jerusalem and is described in Revelation. Heaven is not said to be a reward for paying your tithes or a final destination for certain church members. Heaven is where God flies, the same place the birds fly. Heaven is where God lives because that is where his throne is and his throne flies. And if any more proof is needed just consider the inheritance of the beatitudes. "The meek shall inherit the Earth", not heaven. The heaven of the pulpit is a simplistic, human conceptualization not a Biblically based reality.
[right][snapback]624319[/snapback][/right]
just because it says teh skies is heaven a fe times don't mean it means that. skies could be skies of heaven, heaven is a ski, theres probly no ground, just light, but hte bible also says there will be golden arches and stuff like that.
QUOTE(fallingalien Posted Today @ 02:27 PM )
but hte bible also says there will be golden arches and stuff like that.
It figures that MacDonald would be in Heaven! 
I think what you was trying to say that the streets will be made of gold.
Wait why does the streets need to be made of gold? I thought that those in Heaven have no need for material things.
Material things? Isn't gold something of the earth? Humans have just made this materialistic.
Heck yeah McDonalds in Heaven. I want a #1
Heck yeah McDonalds in Heaven. I want a #1
Material things? Isn't gold something of the earth? Humans have just made this materialistic.
Have you read in the Bible what Heaven is supposed to look like?
Have you read in the Bible what Heaven is supposed to look like?
QUOTE
Heck yeah McDonalds in Heaven. I want a #1
Nope it will be a old world pizza joint!
Pearly gates, streets paved in gold, and crystal clear water I believe.
I like pizza too.
I like pizza too.
QUOTE(101 @ May 25 2005, 03:06 PM)
Pearly gates, streets paved in gold, and crystal clear water I believe.
I like pizza too.
[right][snapback]640347[/snapback][/right]
I like pizza too.
[right][snapback]640347[/snapback][/right]
That is not just all there is supposed to be.
I just hope there will be a plethora of JD there.
JD....As in Jack Daniels whisky?
QUOTE(zandore @ May 25 2005, 01:13 PM)
JD....As in Jack Daniels whisky?
[right][snapback]640360[/snapback][/right]
[right][snapback]640360[/snapback][/right]
Yessir.
QUOTE(Amalgamut @ May 25 2005, 03:15 PM)
QUOTE(zandore @ May 25 2005, 01:13 PM)
JD....As in Jack Daniels whisky?
[right][snapback]640360[/snapback][/right]
[right][snapback]640360[/snapback][/right]
Yessir.
[right][snapback]640363[/snapback][/right]
YOU SIR ARE A FAKE CHRISTIAN!
Well, I mix it with coke when I go to church. That way nobody can tell. 
BLASPHEMY 
You child will burn in hell for eternity!
You child will burn in hell for eternity!
QUOTE(zandore @ May 25 2005, 01:23 PM)
BLASPHEMY
You child will burn in hell for eternity!
[right][snapback]640383[/snapback][/right]
You child will burn in hell for eternity!
[right][snapback]640383[/snapback][/right]
Actually, I went to a Catholic church once on St.Patty's day and believe it or not the priests were drinking beer, after the service.
awwww I can't believe it. i just want some cookies that is all. And um maybe some cats. Mine she is a doll.
I will not make the comment I was going to.
Zandore I don't think it would be bad if you just are saying the truth. 
Hmm...was it regarding Catholics? 
Back on topic!
huh?> what?
QUOTE(BobaFett @ May 25 2005, 10:07 PM)
huh?> what?
[right][snapback]641144[/snapback][/right]
[right][snapback]641144[/snapback][/right]
Where
QUOTE(zandore @ May 25 2005, 07:10 PM)
QUOTE(101 @ May 25 2005, 03:06 PM)
Pearly gates, streets paved in gold, and crystal clear water I believe.
I like pizza too.
[right][snapback]640347[/snapback][/right]
I like pizza too.
[right][snapback]640347[/snapback][/right]
That is not just all there is supposed to be.
[right][snapback]640355[/snapback][/right]
Eh, what, haven't you seen the Pizza Nebula? I keep telling you people, Heaven is in space, you can get you pipping hot Pizza Nebula if you make it there. Better than Pizza Hut! LOL
So Ash there is pizza lol. I am so excited. So in catholic belief aren't there layers of heaven?
QUOTE(MrScienceGuy @ May 18 2005, 06:57 AM)
Isn't it wonderful how one can make money off of mainstream religions. All you have to do is give the believers what they want to hear, and they'll pay for it. Brilliant!
[right][snapback]627465[/snapback][/right]
[right][snapback]627465[/snapback][/right]
Nice one! the first person to actually say it!At the end of the day all these posts on heaven are just beleifs and ways to make you all feel better when you eventually shuffle off this mortal coil!
Personally i think there IS a god, but it isnt the god that christians, hindu's, buddhists or whoever believe in, i mean there has got to be something that created everything ie) time, the galaxy, earth, people etc otherwise where did it come from.
Yet some clever person some time ago has profited by telling "stories" cos thats all they really are, and had gormless people believe in something which not only makes em feel better for when or how they will die, but will also part them with their cash on a regular basis.
From what i hear, the church is the richest and largest organization in the world (followed closely by Mcdonalds! heh heh)!!
QUOTE
Free will means we have the power to chose things at our own will. If I wanted to go jump off a building, I could. Nobody could stop me.
but that is a deadly sin...harming your body (or killing yourself) gives you a one way ticket to hell....wheres the freedom in that? sur you COULD jump off a building but you will be punished.
as for heaven being boring...by the sounds of it it would probably be like being on uppers all the time...you cant get bored cause your always happy. being bored isnt being happy therefore you cant be bored...
P.S. AMAL if you would have told me you were an astronaugt i would have believed you because i am forced to trust you are not lying because why would you? internet is based on trust
QUOTE(educated cAVEmAN @ Jun 2 2005, 09:47 AM)
P.S. AMAL if you would have told me you were an astronaugt i would have believed you because i am forced to trust you are not lying because why would you? internet is based on trust
[right][snapback]652841[/snapback][/right]
[right][snapback]652841[/snapback][/right]
I don't remember the convo exactly, however I assure you I'm no astronaught. Although, it would be cool to float in space and be able to pee in your pants anytime you wanted to.
some folks do that 'down here' anyway......
101,
Well, in Catholicc belief they believe Heaven in is th sky somewhere in a big white fluffy cloud, don't know about layers. I'm taking it on the Jewish and text based accounts which says it's in space (as are the hells, no doubt as 'black holes') and that there are 10 levels, the 1st level being our solar system, the 8th and 9th are the Zodiacs and house of the Zodiacs (used in astrology, which is also supported by text) and that they th Zodiac belt of the 8th and 9th levels (the 7th onwards is one level split up to make '10') are th 'Firmanent of Heaven' above that, the 10th is where God's throne is.
It's also been said by the pre-dynsasty ancient Egyptians (tied in with Enoch angel teachings) that the Throne of God is the constellation of Orion. It's been said elsewhere (magic books) that it's actually Shemyaza (stars being the thrones of angels hence angel=star) one of the 3 angels given full blame for the 200 of Enoch, but more than likely the former is right.
Well, in Catholicc belief they believe Heaven in is th sky somewhere in a big white fluffy cloud, don't know about layers. I'm taking it on the Jewish and text based accounts which says it's in space (as are the hells, no doubt as 'black holes') and that there are 10 levels, the 1st level being our solar system, the 8th and 9th are the Zodiacs and house of the Zodiacs (used in astrology, which is also supported by text) and that they th Zodiac belt of the 8th and 9th levels (the 7th onwards is one level split up to make '10') are th 'Firmanent of Heaven' above that, the 10th is where God's throne is.
It's also been said by the pre-dynsasty ancient Egyptians (tied in with Enoch angel teachings) that the Throne of God is the constellation of Orion. It's been said elsewhere (magic books) that it's actually Shemyaza (stars being the thrones of angels hence angel=star) one of the 3 angels given full blame for the 200 of Enoch, but more than likely the former is right.
God is a god of love AND a god of vegence. He's not strickly one or the other. It's all about God, not all about us. Yeah I've also had the same questions about being bored in Heaven. If it's the way it is said to be, then for those of us going to Heaven, we aren't going to care. None of our sin will be with us and we'll be free from this world.
I would rather have my life focused on God and going to Heaven. After I die, if none of it's real, then I really haven't lost anything. Sure I guess I could have screwed a ton of guys if I wanted, killed people, and treated everyone badly, but that doesn't honor God, that's honoring me. However, if there turns out to be a Heaven and Hell, then I'll be happy that I, personally, made the decision to honor and worship God. If others want to live their lives the way they see fit, then that's their business. I want my soul saved and I want to go to Heaven. If Heaven does turn out to be boring, I'll take that over Hell any day of the week.
Are Christians perfect, no. In fact Christians are more tempted than non-believers because more is expected of us. We have more at stake and a commitment to God.
I'm not going to say who's going to Hell and who's going to Heaven, because that is God's decision. Whether you're Catholic, Baptist, Presbyterian, etc... that's between you and God.
I would rather have my life focused on God and going to Heaven. After I die, if none of it's real, then I really haven't lost anything. Sure I guess I could have screwed a ton of guys if I wanted, killed people, and treated everyone badly, but that doesn't honor God, that's honoring me. However, if there turns out to be a Heaven and Hell, then I'll be happy that I, personally, made the decision to honor and worship God. If others want to live their lives the way they see fit, then that's their business. I want my soul saved and I want to go to Heaven. If Heaven does turn out to be boring, I'll take that over Hell any day of the week.
Are Christians perfect, no. In fact Christians are more tempted than non-believers because more is expected of us. We have more at stake and a commitment to God.
I'm not going to say who's going to Hell and who's going to Heaven, because that is God's decision. Whether you're Catholic, Baptist, Presbyterian, etc... that's between you and God.
bump
why? if it fell down the wayside.. it was talked about to death.
wow ive said it befoer yes it would suck to live forever. either way heaven or hell i wouldnt want it. id rather just go off into nothingness like the end i believe will come. best choice for me. i dont know why people are so afraid of death when they know it will come no matter what they do. ill never get it but anyway, ya, who wants to live forever?
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.