Okay... very creepy! Went to sleep last night around 11:30 p.m. Felt something trying to wake me up but saw nothing. My husband was snoring... I felt something (someone) enter me or lay on me... Every hair on my body stood on end and I could not move, or talk... I opened my eyes yet my bedroom was very blurry. My body was tingling. I silently wished this thing to go away. I was finally able to move my arm as this feeling went away. While this was going on I could hear the television on... and I could look around my room but like I said it was very blurry. After the presence left (I literally felt it go) it stayed in the room for awhile, I could tell it was there, yet I was so scared I rolled over and wished it to go away.

I'm still freaked out today about this. My husband thinks I was just dreaming!. I'm afraid to see what will happen tonight.

Do you have any pets?

What do you mean by "entered you"?

You got layed by a ghost!

Yes... two dogs... both were sleeping and snoring away right next to me. I know that dogs can see these types of things, but, they were both under the blankets (spoiled!) I have had things happen in the past ... nothing like this though. I just don't want to get to the point wherein I'm afraid to be in my house. I don't think it is anything harmful.

In fact, after thinking about it this morning, I would like to believe that it was someone trying to hug me.. they were pretty adamant about waking me up.

NO... I didn't get "Layed" by a ghost.. what I mean is, I physically felt it either on top of me or passed through me.

It sounds like a case of sleep paralysis to me, from what you have explained it is very similar...

This seems to remind me of something called " MA DE"........"ma" meaning ghost and "de" meaning to apply pressure in Vietnamese. This is familiar to a lot of Vietnamse and asian cultures. I myself am Vietnamese and have encountered the same thing. I might be Sleep paralysis or something more. It's the feeling of being pressed down by a force. You or able to see and breathe but cannot move or yell for help. I still remember my grandparents telling me that the only way to avoid this from ever happening often, you should try sleeping on your side. It has something to do with you opening your self by the way you posotion your body. BELIEVE IT OR NOT...this reports have been been reported to go back hundreds of years and has ebven been documented through old pctures and paintings on walls. If you get a chance, ask any Asian person, majority have heard of it. Mostly Vietnamese people will know.

Hi, i do believe that the dead are occasionaly still linked, if only in bioenergy to this "reality" or what ever you want to call it.

i have been an active medium for fifteen years, here is my suggestion;

Know in the core of all of your thoughts that that room, your bed and most especially your body are entirely your domain.
Philosophically this could be argued in a million ways but this is a defense mechanism so bravado is good.
Whether your life philosophy embodies it or not, come to this place of power with the space in which you sleep.
When a bodyless bioenergy comes in and tryes to leech on you (this is not what happens everytime, i am sure, but in such an unwelcome case...)
Use your bioenergy to build walls. A case around yourself inside a shell, inside a shell, inside a shell, inside of a shell.
Know the entity is there.
Know you can stop it from interacting with you.
Know that if you decide, you can have the control over the situation.

Bioenergy responds to this.

Right now it has control, because you are scared and confused and allowing it to control the situation. Change that and you'll be fine.
If people think your nuts, don't tell them about it.
Hope this helps

Ok about 2/3s of this board needs to take some time to study sleeping disorders before running there mouth off about how its ghosts. Look truth be told it sounds like you experienced an odd case of sleep paralysis. You weren't possessed, entered or passed through by a ghost, demon or any other type of spirit. If this continues often I would suggest seeking the help of a sleep clinic NOT an exorcist.

Believe me... that's what I am going to believe it was.. "sleep paralysis". I'll do a little more studying up on it... Thanks!

boy, everyone is having episodes of s/p all at once it seems! the forum is alight with cases of it or what most of us agree sounds like s/p.
i'm going to buy stock in sleeping pills and make a fortune!
all joking aside if it gets bad, shafe, see your dr. episodes like that can be super scary and not getting good sleep can lead to all kinds of bad things. trust me i know when i've not been getting good sleep cuz i can go into a full blown manic episode.
all this sleep talk making me tired....

good luck and keep us informed!!!

I could'nt agree more, Kevin......

Well I guess they can.
You can definately enter the dead; however, if you get caught you'll go to prison for a long...long time.

P>S> you are really sick! can't you just go out and find one that's still living?

wha...?

oh, I get it, humor...

actually, it's not illegal in all states, FYI...

Why do people like to put everyone into their perspective.
You obviously have experiences with what you have decided is sleep paralysis, good for you.
It probably is, but that does not mean that everything that happens to every person on the planet has the same thing going on while they are trying to sleep as you. Human perspective is not so uniform.

You are a random stranger online, you do not have inough information to assess a sleeping disorder, sight unseen.
Understand that regardless of how strongly you think you know what is going on, this person is going to assess all of what is said here and decide what they think it is for themselves.
So it never proves useful to tell someone what they think happened or that they think "something" happened didn't.
It's just rude.

I don't see anything wrong with telling someone its a sleeping disorder (which is pretty obious)

Actually yes- its a spirit and an evil one at that!

Now which is ruder?

Good post KevinM

anami, this is a public forum, if the topic originator (shafe) does not want advice then the originator or anyone else for that matter should not post asking for advice on a public forum.

In my opinion suggesting a sleep clinic before attributing the paranormal is very good advice, why on earth would anyone not want to rule out the obvious first?

this is pretty much what I have said on this and other threads, but it did'nt get taken that way...

pfft!™ on them Hoagy!

indeed, Lady Dot...

In fact i may keep this thread in my useful snippets thing, as it may come in useful in the future...

*plots*

if you were WIDE awake there is no way it's a sleeping disorder...
S.P. only can happen when you are half asleep.. half awake...
i've had SP happen to me before and i know what it feels like....

but last night... before i was even asleep....
i could hear someone hitting the walls in my room...
and feel someone breathe on me with cold air on my nose....
i would even sit up to look around but nothing was there..
finally i was just so tired i drifted off into sleep anyway.....
but yeaaaah i don't know.. what it was...
I think i attracted a bad spirt around me that night....

but u new know what it could be if you feel cold air..
or hear noises in your room is could be a spirit...

but if you are fully awake when it happens.. there;s no way in hell
it;s SP you need to be half asleep for that to happen...

ITs not rude its ethical. Telling some one who's exhibiting whats a known sign of a potentially very serious sleeping disorder(Narcolepsy) to go seek clinical help if it continues is doing them a favor. Feeding them silly stories about ghosts and other spirits can at best confuse them at worst convince them not to seek help they quite possibly need. Notice in particular the point I made. I didn't say it was absolutely a sleeping disorder. I said that it sounds like a sleeping disorder, nothing about it can not be explained by psychological means(both absolutely true) and that if it continues they should seek the aid of a competent professional in the field of sleeping disorders. Could it be a ghost? Yes but then again if we want to talk about what it hypotheticaly could be why not add Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny to the list? With out any additional evidence they are just as likely as ghosts. As I've already said I suggest YOU take some time to study psychology and sleeping disorders, then take some more time while your at it to study critical thinking. Not one person who posted here(myself included) is capable of decisively stating that it is or is not sleep paralysis. IF it happens this one isolated time and never again then frankly it won't matter what caused it. If it continues to happen this person NEEDS to see some one who CAN determine if it is or is not sleep paralysis. UNTILL that time telling them it is a ghost(or any thing else of a paranormal nature) can only serve to make them more frightened and potentially less inclined to seek help. WHy not try to help people instead of becomming threatened any one would dare challenge what you think is real. I personally DO beleive in ghosts, angels, demons and a host of other spirits but I"m more interested in helping people then furthering my own beliefs.

Btw for the people who keep saying if your wide awake it can't be sp let me ask you some thing. Do any of you have a degree in psychology? If the answer is no quite bluntly stop justifying what you want the explanation to be and do this person an actual favor by encouraging them to consider seeking some one with the knowledge you don't have. The most probable explanation for what occured is a purely psychological one not a paranormal one. BTW before some one asks NO I don't have a degree in psychology. I have taken the time to study sleep disorders since they often affect my own field of interest(demonology) and grew up with a best freind who suffered from narcolepsy (one of the four primary symptoms of which is sleep paralysis). Since i"m NOT trying to diagnose simply offering a logical explanation and the advice they find some one who can test them properly I really don't need to have a degree. Those who want to tell them to ignore scientific explanations for the phenomenon on the other hand should either get a degree or stop trying to give medical advice.

Shafe, just a few questions if you don't mind.
Did the entity speak to you in any manner?
Were there any other sounds, besides your husband snoring?
Did you see a figure, or even a shadow, anything at all?
Did your body temerature change, did you feel hot or cold, or nauseous before, during, or after this encounter?

Advice: If the entity returns, or this happens again, mention God, this may help you in your situation, it has me ( for the time being might I add)
However before you do this, make any attempt you can to concentrate your fear into something other than the fact that SOMETHING is holding you down, and you feel you may not get away, try to think of something else, listen to your mind, concentrate on what your conscience is saying to you, rather than panicking. If you wish, or you feel the urge, make a study session out of the situation if it reoccurs, make any attempt to look around and see something, look around, listen closely for any strange sounds, or whispers, and if anything, don't believe in them as much as they want you to, that drains your energy to not only breath, but to make them go away, or it if there is only just one. Sorry I keep referring to it as They, that's due to my personal expierence with my own occurances.

Whatever these things are they not only instill a great fear in us, they paralyze us to the point of almost not being able to breath, along with sitting on our chests, and it seems they are trying to take something from us, or posses us in some way, and just as you become the most frightened, you recieve the ability to VERY VERY slowly move one arm, or a hand, however it's like being in slow motion, or trying to run in a lake. I have not had an encounter quite as real as yours, however the circumstances, and the way you describe your feelings during this encounter are the same as when I am visited by what I call "the shadows"
My post can be found on the search engine of the site, if you type in my SN which is, The_Shadows_Are_Real, you will find my post containing my situation. I will share this with you, as I stated above, my encounters have not been as real as yours.
I am visited only once or twice a month by "the shadows", however they choose to come to me as I am sliding into sleep, however not quite there, just in between, if that is fathomible for some of you that are skeptics, or yourself Shafe, ****(and for you smart a*ses out there, I don't mean the PMS Fairy when I refer to the visits being once or twice a month!!!!)****


Shafe feel free to send me a message if you wish to discuss this subject further in private. If I am not available, I will reply within a day or too. I thank you for reading my response, and hope to speak more with you about this.

The_Shadows_Are_Real

Has anyone here ever had a panic attack? You know, when you suddenly can't breath, your chest feels like your pressed between two walls and you are deathly afraid for no reason that makes sense? Now add some imagination to that and what do you have.. a spirit scaring the crap out of you. I used to have waking panic attacks as a kid and it was just like discribed above except I was sitting down watching tv.

There are lots of things that could _possibly_ be causing you to have these symptoms you discribed. It could be something physical such as heart problems or it could be something mental.

I would suggest discribing this to your doctor (leaving out the "it was a spirit entering my body" part) and see if they can find what is wrong. Then, if all else fails, consult a metaphysical shop for things that could help protect you from it happening again. Sometimes, just the mental "I'm safe now because I have ____" can make a major difference.

Why Not ? People claim to have been raped by demons.....If it didn't hurt you or try to kill you......dun worry about it........becareful what you fear....lest it become a phobia and control your life.

I had panic attacks several years ago, and I can tell you that they were the most bizarre set of feelings I have ever had. Mine were so severe that there were not only physical symptoms(such as feeling like I was having a heart attack), but mental ones as well. like feeing I was on LSD or something.

oh my...is it weird that I already knew this?

OMG hahahhahah!!

Necrophilia is no joking matter!
I think its why embalmers always give me the creeps...

look up the lyrics for the song 'cold ethyl' by alice cooper.
this topic is dear to me and my nick name....

I was born in the same city as Alice. I'm very familiar with his music, the refernce was not lost on me.

that's been my email for ages and my fave song for even more ages and i just couldn't resist mentioning it w/everyone going on about necrophilia!

well, it's not necrophilia if the dead is having sex w/the living is it? necrophilia would be the living having sex w/corpses.

interesting...what is it when the dead have sex w/the living?


(well, i mean besides extremely bizarre).

I used to be into S & M, bestiality, and necrophilia, but then I realized
I was just beating a dead horse ...

lol, i think
ick......

>groan...<

Daughter,

The topic originator posted this,




Sounds to me like someone was scared and wanted people not to immediatly discount their experience.

Hundreds of thousands of people go online on forums of various kinds for various reasons, one of the main ones being to ask advice.

You automatically assume the sleep paralysis to be the obvious rather than the context of the original post.

As for the suggestion that my words were more rude than to tell the person they are wrong and it is something completely other than what they think it is... That's recoculous my point is that we don't know, any of you or me, what the situation actually was. i do not believe i am rude for including in my comments the context with which the only person present and awake put it into.

Narcolepsy is where you fall asleep inappropriatly and without warning, mr. specialist:rolleyes:
Beings as they were awake at the time and did not fall asleep, let alone suddenly we know even if it is a sleeping disorder, it is not narcolepsy.



When someone says they think something entered them, they are telling us they think it is a spirit not a disorder. The person having the experience knows more about it than some random person who insists it is medical in medically imposssible ways. They already think it is a ghost i am filling a head with nothing.



Yes, let's.

It could be anything none of us who are not present hacve any clue, and that is my point. It is not likely a sleeping disorder any more or less than it is likely a spirit, the easter bunny or santa clause.
My point is while we can all suggest what we think it is, none of us know at all, Humans can not be forced to do or not do anything. So quite trashing my suggestions and advice in light of your own.
They are equally as pointless or useful. And we will never even know if the person in question took either advice. So rail about your divinitive solution all you want but lay off the possibility tyhat it might be what the first hand person suggests it is too.



Do not be rude, you do not even know what the most notorious sleeping disorder of narcolepsy is. i have obviously studies more about the mind and it's pathology than you have, i still think the person experience can give us the most insight, not yourself. i know this because i have studied critical thinking extensivly.



You blow me out of the water with your ego, though certainly not your arguments.
If you believe in ghosts angels and demons why is it the very last thing you are willing to concider?
Once again i am not furthering my beliefs. i wrote because i work with such things professionally, and such a thing was suggested by the thread starter.

Step one to helping people...get your head out of your own...uh ego.

You are the only one trying to give medical advice.

a lot of us are talkin' bout ghosts, even the ones with degrees

it still sounds like an incident of sleep paralysis to me and the reason why i post this opinion is because shafe might like to hear it. i saw a program on tv yesterday where a woman was experiencing very frightening sp but had never heard of it until she started talking on an internet chat room. her chat room experience led her to understand and educate herself about her sp and she has not experienced it since. ppl naturally fear what they do not understand and even if it's not sp a little understanding of what it could be might be of help.

Hence my point.
No one should speak in absoluts.

All options should be concidered and explored or ignored or whatever they are going to be.

My comments though seeming to inhabit the minority opinion, were in the vein of the opinion of the origional author.

But i assert it is possible for you to be correct, it MAY be sleep paralysis.
Feel better now.

It still could be a myriad of other things, including, of course, completely psycosomatic.

I never had sp until I saw something on tv about a few years ago. Now I get on a some what regular basis. Having experienced it much myself I have to say that it sounds like sp to me as well. Which can be a very terrifying thing, espacially if your not used to it or don't know about it. And then even if you do.

Are you kidding...?

you never had it, untill you heard about it, now you have it regularly.

Say it with me now...psycosomatic.


Careful not to be a hypochondriac, you know polio was the largest incident of mass hypochondria, rather a psycosomatic disorder, as you actually can really make yourself sick for real.

Much as cancer is today, and it's lookin like sp on this board.

exactly. i wasn't speaking in absolutes. i was giving an opinion. my opinion. you gave yours, i gave mine. good.
and i do feel just fine, thanks.

I may be wrong, but the sarcastic way you've chosen to begin your response to yurieka would seem to give some doubt as to the contents of your previous posts..
Why bother to speak out about "speaking in absolutes" and tearing apart people's posts if you're going to engage in the same sort of thing not even one page later?
After all, you weren't there were you?
You couldn't possibly begin to be absolutely sure it's some sort of hypochondriac episode, could you?
And yet you went on about this very same subject at length..
You could have said "I believe it may be this" or "my considered opinion is that."
Instead you chose to word it sarcastically..
This doesn't help any of us to want to give your ideas any more credence than we would any other member, now does it?


..And I find myself wondering why an expert in sleep disorders consistently mispells "Psychosomatic".

Why?



i am not tearing apart anything. i was pointing out a fairly obvious option of perspective.
From the experience of having had psycosomaticly induced conditions. Again suggesting options.



No, but i will certainly suggest it, as every disorder is essentially psycosomatic.



Well sure it is a good possibility of the cause of S.P. which is not what this thread was originally about.

If you read the whole thread you may have noticed i agree with the original authors impression of what it was. Because they are the only one of us who was there, and they have the clearest impression.



And as for my opinion... i never claimed to be any kind of greater being than a human, therefore everything i write is my opinions, my current synthesis, just like yours and everyone elses. i think you realize it is pretty safe to assume i don't know everything, why would you assume i don't know that?
It saves time to just work from the point of view that no one knows everything or thinks they do. It keeps you from being duped into cults or taxes.



You should give everyone here respect and the same creadence. You do not know if you are talking to teenagers, wise or simple, adults wise or simple, or some sort of freaking Avatar or something.
You take all information and process it yourself anyway.
Why pretend there are people out there that you can turn thinking over to?
Think for yourself, put it all in the pot and make your own soup, ya dig?




1. find where i said i was an expert on sleep disorders.
i am actually an expert in the three bodies theory and therefore covering both the energetic interactions described by the author and all human disorders.

2. What is wrong with my spelling of psycosomatic? Not that i avow to be any sort of a decent speller at all. That is what editors are for, right?

But regardless from the fact that i fully could have spelled any word wrong, regardless of my educational background, and that it wouldn't matter; Did you not spell it the same way?


Now i was only talking to people in a casual way, you adding instigation that there may have been disrespect intended is compounded by your post that openly attempts to berate me.

i meant no disrespect to anyone but am on this forum, like everyone else to discuss my opinions, keep your offense off of me, thank you.

Well and decently put Anami..What I was trying to point out to you, in the end; is that the way you word things can alter the way people take your posts, no matter your intent when you posted..
After all that talk about fairness, you chose to take a somewhat sarcastic tone with another poster..It didn't offend me at all, as I'm merely observing this particular thread..
I'm rather well-known for sarcasm and high-handedness myself, but I did want to point out a rather obvious seeming discrepency..

DITTO THAT

Okay... everybody... thank you for all of your insight...
Nothing has happened since....
I am totally going with sleep paralysis... I thank all of you that initially thought this way....
I'm not whacked...
I am so happy that I was given the insight on S.P.... never heard of it before. However, I am somewhat sorry that all of you are arguing about it.

Shafe