Unexplained Mysteries Discussion Forums > the bible scripture and diet....

theoric

May 16 2005, 09:09 PM

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The Cure to What Ails You

Suppose you get really, really sick. Or a loved one's health becomes severely compromised. The Cleveland Clinic treats 5 million people each year.
There's also the Mayo Clinic. And the Sloan Kettering Institute.

Mom needs triple bypass surgery. Dad has lung cancer.
Grandma has severe osteoporosis. Sis has diabetes.
The baby has asthma. Where and what are the best treatment options?

Ever notice that in times of illness, everybody claims to have the best doctor. Suggestions of second opinions are met with anger and rejection. There must be two million "best doctors" in America, but most have little clue about the cause and cure of major diseases. They diagnose well by relying upon incredible machines that see damage within.
Then they prescribe powerful medications which do wonders by masking symptoms. But these "best doctors" rarely cure and almost never prevent disease.

There is one very good place to go, but most people instead select the circuitous route to hell. Where is that place and who is the physician?

The world's best hospital facility is the Garden of Eden, and the best healer is yourself. This is no mythical place.
If you could choose your rest and rehab facility, would it not be the Garden of Eden? What foods do you imagine would be served while you recover from your illness?
What medicines would be given to you, in extreme doses?

Isoflavones and bioflavinoids from freshly picked fruits and vegetables. Vitamins and minerals from nuts and seeds.

Your blood would become pure. Your internal organs would be purged of mucus and toxins. Your cells would be nourished.
Diseased tissues would be overcome by the process of healthy rejuvenation.

Is that Garden of Eden really so mythical? Of course not.
The cure which so many unhealthy people reject is spelled out with simplicity in Genesis 1:29 with these words:

"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."

This Garden of Eden is more than a leap of faith. The health and healing benefits of a plant-based diet are supported by thousands of scientific studies which have been published in peer-reviewed journals.

Forgive the "best doctors in the world" for they have not been trained properly, so they cannot see. Your journey to that Garden of Eden must be a personal one, and you must become the healer. Reject the foods that made your blood dirty and ugly. Reject the residues from animal products that turned your blood sour, and prematurely aged your cells.
With clean foods comes healing. You are the healer. You know the path.

Final thought...This special garden is not just a place to visit when you become ill. It'a place to reside all of your life, for by doing so, you prevent those illnesses that plague non-believers.

bold added by me...

so what do you think? did the biblegod tell people to be vegan?

(yes, i am vegan, that is why i am on the mailing list that sent this. )

Amalgamut

May 16 2005, 09:13 PM

interesting.

Irish

May 16 2005, 09:21 PM

I have always wanted to ask this question. I raised two daughter who chose to be vegans. One still is and is relatively healthy the other had to switch back to meat on the advice of her doctor.
Having been to many shops that specialize in vegan and vegetarian food I noted that there were a disproportionate number of some very unhealthy looking people. Why is it that all the people that claim this choice to be healthy are the sickest looking bunch I have ever met?

theoric

May 16 2005, 09:29 PM

QUOTE(Irish @ May 16 2005, 01:21 PM)

I have always wanted to ask this question. I raised two daughter who chose to be vegans. One still is and is relatively healthy the other had to switch back to meat on the advice of her doctor.
Having been to many shops that specialize in vegan and vegetarian food I noted that there were a disproportionate number of some very unhealthy looking people. Why is it that all the people that claim this choice to be healthy are the sickest looking bunch I have ever met?
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it is all about what you DO eat, not what you DON'T eat.

i agree, there are some sickly looking vegans out there. that is because they don't know the first thing about designing a proper diet for themselves.

when you focus on what you do eat, it is the healthest choice (however, depending on factors such as blood type, activity level, food sensitivites, genetic risks, etc one has to design the correct diet for them - and don't forget that there are plant derived foods that are just as unhealthy as their animal-derived counterparts.)

i, and many people i know, are vegan (actually more restrictive than vegan but there is no term for it) and endurance atheletes.

101

May 18 2005, 03:56 PM

I think before the Great Flood man were vegatarians. God told Noah after the great flood when he presented God with a burnt offering and the smell pleased God. He then told Noah you can eat of the claen animals as meat as you have the greens of the Earth. Therefore meat is allowed because after the Great Flood the Earth destroyed and there was mainly animals/meat to eat. But this is very intersting. I will find the scripture later for you.

robinrenee

May 19 2005, 02:17 PM

Thanks for pointing out that scripture. I had never noticed it.

I believe that humans are vegetarians biologically. We have the teeth and intestinal tract of vegetarians.

101

May 19 2005, 04:13 PM

Genesis 8:21-22

And then Genesis 9:1-6

These are the scriptures I was refering too.

I didn't type them all out I am too lazy right this minute

robinrenee

May 19 2005, 07:29 PM

Thanks 101,

Yep, looks like meat's ok later in Genesis. I didn't understand the stuff about it can't have lifeblood in it. Don't think I want to think about that. My main reason for not eating meat is that I love animals. Have you ever looked into a cow's big, beautiful brown eyes?

I still think humans are biologically vegetarian. Their teeth are grinders like the herbivoirs. And their gut is so long that meat putrifies before it's eliminated. Whereas carnivores have straight guts... garbage in ... garbage out... quickly.

Amalgamut

May 19 2005, 07:36 PM

QUOTE(robinrenee @ May 19 2005, 01:29 PM)

Thanks 101,

Yep, looks like meat's ok later in Genesis. I didn't understand the stuff about it can't have lifeblood in it. Don't think I want to think about that. My main reason for not eating meat is that I love animals. Have you ever looked into a cow's big, beautiful brown eyes?
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I love eating cow.

101

May 19 2005, 07:39 PM

I have cows too. And they are beautiful. But I think it is just what you choose to do. I don't eat the cows we have we just have them as pets. There is Butter,Spot, and Lil Phil.

Mr Ed

May 19 2005, 07:40 PM

Man was definitely not vegetarian and never has been. One of the key reasons we are Homo homo sapiens is because of our diet of meat. Our ancestors were apes and only normally ate vegetation. When they started to eat meat their brains began to grow because of the sudden increase of protein. They became better hunters and began to eat more meat regularly- over thousands of years the brain grew to the state it is now, largely because of the protein we received from eating meat.
Therefore we cannot be biologically vegetarian, although our bodies may be inclined that way rather than that of a complete carnivores.

Discordia

May 19 2005, 07:43 PM

It would be difficult to be a vegan, I would assume. I am a vegetarian, but I eat dairy products. As far as I know, vegans don't eat any animal by-product. Most of the products on the market contain meat or animal by-products so I would assume that it would be hard to have a balanced diet without paying big for it. It's an interesting concept though, because as far as I knew from the bible stance, animals were put here for us to eat. Sounds like PETA in disguise.

101

May 19 2005, 07:45 PM

QUOTE(Mr Ed @ May 19 2005, 07:40 PM)

Man was definitely not vegetarian and never has been. One of the key reasons we are Homo homo sapiens is because of our diet of meat. Our ancestors were apes and only normally ate vegetation. When they started to eat meat their brains began to grow because of the sudden increase of protein. They became better hunters and began to eat more meat regularly- over thousands of years the brain grew to the state it is now, largely because of the protein we received from eating meat.
Therefore we cannot be biologically vegetarian, although our bodies may be inclined that way rather than that of a complete carnivores.
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well if in fact we were apes at one point in time why would we just decide to eat meat???? Do you know? I mean is it just how our teeth might have evolved. I mean we had wisdom teeth,still do,but we used them for grinding meat. If in fact we were apes and had these teeth already were we always supposed to eat meat? Do apes have 3 molars like on each quadrant as humans do today? equals 12 molars.

Amalgamut

May 19 2005, 07:50 PM

If we have always been hunters, then why did we lose so much strength from going from ape to human?

Also, protein builds muscle, so that doesn't make much sense how we would get a more developed brain, but our muscles would get weaker?

Mr Ed

May 19 2005, 07:50 PM

I know for a fact that we started to eat meat and that is largely the reason for our brain expansion...
We 'decided' to eat meat just as other carnivores did. That is just like saying why did a hamster not evolve into a 12ft super marsupial/mammal whatever, or why didn't gerbils eat worms?
I am guessing our teeth would have adapted and evolved to fit with our new diet. An animal isn't always supposed to eat something, I guess it's like trial and error maybe, sorry I don't know much about evolution. I just know the brain/protein thing

Mr Ed

May 19 2005, 07:54 PM

Easily! We lost our strength, and still are, for such obvious reasons. As we became more intelligent through eating the meat, which gave us protein, we began to use tools and weapons more. As we growingly became to rely on technology we became weaker as we had to use less brute force or something. This is why neanderthals were so much stronger than homo sapiens.
Our brains did expand, and our muscles are no longer as naturally strong as they were- technology of any level is the key.

101

May 19 2005, 07:56 PM

thanks Mr. Ed.

I will see about the ape teeth thing and human teeth thing okay...

Mr Ed

May 19 2005, 08:00 PM

np, its all from the media anyway- god bless it.
ok cool, should be interesting.

theoric

May 19 2005, 10:00 PM

a part of our evolution was the sacrifice of speed for the stability of standing/walking upright. the reason for this adaptation is proposed to better allow for the collection of food from branches (nuts, seeds, fruits).

we have always been generalists, contributing to the survival of the species in adverse conditions (we can live on almost anything). however, we are indeed best adapted to a plant based diet (as mentioned already, the teeth and digestive track is of a herbivore).

our development led us away from animal based foods, not towards it.

still, when it comes right down to it, meat is more natural and less harmful (although by how much depends) than other foods derived from animals such as dairy.

101

May 20 2005, 01:08 PM

so how is dairy harmful to the body moreso than the actual meat? Isn't it needed for calcium. I mean isn't the human milk almost the same as animals milk. Thus it all provides nutrients to the offspring. I mean we can't drink our own milk. I don't think people would go for this.

But just explain to me why you think dairy is bad. Thanks.

Super Pancake

May 20 2005, 02:36 PM

QUOTE(101 @ May 20 2005, 08:08 AM)

so how is dairy harmful to the body moreso than the actual meat? Isn't it needed for calcium. I mean isn't the human milk almost the same as animals milk. Thus it all provides nutrients to the offspring. I mean we can't drink our own milk. I don't think people would go for this.

But just explain to me why you think dairy is bad. Thanks.
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check out this site its a bit fanatical but they make a good case for not getting your dairy from other animals www.notmilk.com

apparently dairy from other animals contain only protiean, antibodies, and all sorts of genetic info for that specific animal not for other animals, It would be wiser to drink our own milk because its suited for us here is a two other links about human milk 101 reasons, le leche.

I won't vouche for the claims about the harmeful affects of dairy from other animals but I sort of starting to believe in them, some are, pimples and other skin problems, abnormal muscle growth and lack of development of the human brian (I think human milk should be used to develop a young child, the protien from cows milk is different from the protein of a humans milf, no wonder people are getting dumber), a whole list of possible higher risk of cancer(s), prostate bieng on top of the list.

101

May 20 2005, 03:12 PM

Thanks Super Pancake. I in fact did breast feed my daughter. But the fact is. How about when we are older. Where do we get our milk. And do we need milk. I am sure we can't just start getting mother's milk from Publix. Just imagine who they would have to hire to work in these human milk production factorys. I think this was good info. I just doubt that we are going to get what we need from our milk if in fact we don't have breast feeding parents. Or even new mothers who neglect to try to breast feed. This should be encouraged by all mothers. Unless you have a medical condition-aids you should breastfeed period.

theoric

May 20 2005, 04:20 PM

breast milk of the mother is the perfect complete food for the offspring. past the point of the offspring being able to eat solid foods it is a "poison". the milk is designed to allow for rapid growth and development during that first stage of life. past that stage, the hormones and fats within it contribute to health problems.

the best way to view it is too look at all the other mammals and their weaning practices.

Mr Ed

May 20 2005, 06:24 PM

Our digestive system hasn't evolved to cope properly with dairy products yet- strange but true.

101

May 20 2005, 06:41 PM

Goat Milk vs Cow Milk

· Nutrient content of goat milk is slightly less than cow milk but goat milk is more digestible because the fat molecules are one-fifth the size of those from cow milk -- making it easily tolerated by those with compromised digestive systems.

· Seventy-two percent of the milk used throughout the world is from goats. It is one-third richer than cows milk but more nourishing and easier to digest.

· The flavor of goat milk is comparable to that of cow milk. Goat milk has a milder taste.

· Goat milk has no cream separation because of smaller fat molecules.

· Goat milk contains pre-formed Vitamin A in the milk fat that allows it to be readily available for use by the body.

· Goats milk contains a more highly-evolved cholesterol than cows milk, making it more available for absorption to the brain and body. (Cholesterol is essential to the health of the myelin sheaths "white matter" of the nerves in the brain.)

· Goat milk is closer to human milk and is therefore easily accepted especially by those young or frail.

· Goat milk has an alkaline reaction the same as mother's milk. Cow milk has an acid reaction

· Goat milk does not form mucous (phlegm) and is therefore better tolerated by asthmatics and those with allergies.

· Goat milk contains more chlorine, fluorine and silicon than any other domestic livestock. Chlorine and fluorine are natural germicides and fluorine assists in preventing diabetes.

· Goat milk contains 2% curd, which precipitates in the stomach. Cows milk is 10% curd.

· Goats are naturally immune to diseases, such as tuberculosis, and are used in third-world countries to actually cure tuberculosis because of their inherent antibodies.

· Goats milk is tolerated by a compromised /damaged liver because of the smaller fat molecules and it's naturally homogenized.

· Goats milk has the ability to "sweeten" the intestinal tract and assist with constipation.

· Goats milk contains a higher evolved carotene (pro-Vitamin A). Researchers have found this to have cancer preventing properties.

Super Pancake

May 20 2005, 08:56 PM

I use soy milk! Goats milk lets say I was in the bathroom after my first cup!

101

May 20 2005, 08:58 PM

QUOTE(Super Pancake @ May 20 2005, 08:56 PM)

I use soy milk! Goats milk lets say I was in the bathroom after my first cup!
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Oh okay. I will keep this in mind thanks for the warning though

Super Pancake

May 20 2005, 09:21 PM

There is nothing wrong with goats milk its just that its something you need to get used to just like unpasteurized cow's milk which is dangerous these days even if the cow is healthy, I recomend not to try unpasteurized cow milk.

Despite the similarity with human milk for us adults its a different issue. Unpasteurized goats milk depending wether the goat is healthy, will take time for your body to get used to, it must create the proper enzymes to digest it. In afrika or other third world countries, they give children goats milk at an early age to get used it, So for us adults drinking it for the first time will have hell to pay for a couple of days maybe weeks.

Soy milk on the other hand is a lot easier on the body and comes close to the vitamins and minerals cow milk provides and even some cancer fighting antibodies

Amalgamut

May 20 2005, 09:54 PM

What about hippo milk?

theoric

May 20 2005, 10:11 PM

QUOTE(Amalgamut @ May 20 2005, 01:54 PM)

What about hippo milk?
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you try to milk a hippo!

there is a reason even the crocs steer clear of them!

in reality, drinking the milk of another species is not a wise move (nor natural). when is the last time you saw an adult goat suckle a horse?

hyuugaNeji

May 20 2005, 10:40 PM

yup, I drink silk soy milk and it's very nutritious.
interesting fact about humans and animals. have any of you heared of vitamin b12, it is supposedly that we get this from daiy animals, but the human saliva produces it's own b12, i forgot what it's for but it is very crucial. also check out Ellen G White, a seventh day adventist who received the health message from God. she has wriiten a lot of things on health and it turns out that our "3 meal a day" is more like 2 meals a day. anywayz, just check her out.

Tangerine Sheri

Jun 14 2005, 05:10 PM

I've been vegan for 2 years I didn't choose the life for religious or even health reasons also my son is vegan (he actually inspired me to go that way) I was an asmatic for most of my life nothing was helping me 4 months into the vegan life (after experiencing two major cleansings initiated by my body )I am completely cured i also had excema on my arms Gone, completely gone. I have a whole new philosophy based on my new lifestyle and the benefits are awesome, Whatever the source for embracing a healthy lifestyle doesn't matter but this is for sure not only are you creating a very healthy organism you are helping the planet and feeding lots of people by not eating meat, I think heath issues are diet related, I'm a living testamonie and would be interested in hearing from others who have body miracle storys to share.

theoric

Jun 14 2005, 08:28 PM

personal experience:

veganism (and alkaline based diet) cleared up chronic sinus problems for me, improved sleep patterns, improved athletic perfomance.

my experiences are not likely to be as great as many since i didn't suddenly become vegan, but progressed to it over several years.

Amalgamut

Jun 15 2005, 02:12 AM

I just ate a huge steak.

101

Jun 15 2005, 01:26 PM

I don't know if I could totally not eat any animal bi-products. I like milk in my cereal,and eggs are good. Could I just try a no red meat kinda diet and it benefit the same.

I would definately be able to do this. Soy bean burgers aren't bad at all.

But I am not sure I kind of like the free steak I get on my birthday each year too.

I guess moderation is the key.