You realize, then, that this would mean that it could be defined as a "physical" power, and that, by definition, there would have to be some sort of objective value to it.



Yes, I have actually been to Reiki practicioners. The results were much like that of a good massage. Feeling good about, however, does not make it any more valid. Neither does the belief of the massess. The great majority of the world is convinced that the sun revolves around the Earth, but it simply isn't so.



Well, that would make it a mental thing, not a physical thing, wouldn't it?



Ah, according to the definition you give below, yes, it is. You are speculating on a highly abstract, way beyond theoretical, force you are referring to as "bioenergy". You talk about its 'flow' as if it were an easily measurable and globally accepted fact. Unless this force can be defined in an objective manner, it cannot be considered a physical force.

Quantum theory is proving such things normal in the quantum world, not in the macro world that we inhabit. Saying otherwise without proof is misleading to the point of deceit. Whether you like it or not, "energy in the hands", and more specifically, the projection of that energy (which is not, in any way shape, or form, supported by quantum physics) has been firmly extablished as a paranormal phenomena, and until you give good reason for it not to be (and personal preference is just not enough), it will remain so.



Reiki, and Laying on of Hands, and psychic surgery, and any of the dozens of different paranormal phenomena that start off with a mysterious energy in the hands, are all open game for this topic. Reiki claims that there is an undefined energy present in the hands, and it is that claim that makes it relevant to this topic.

So when you say Reiki is not a science you admit that it has not been studied adequately and there is not a shred of evidence to support it. So it's a load of hot air like I said. (pseudo-science describes Reiki perfectly and I fail to see the hypocrisy, but lets not get into that).




So why are/were you talking about quantum theory if your not trying to justify something as a science. As a side note I have seen you (in another thread) talking about quantum theory to justify the scientifc principles of Tarot! Where you said there was science behind everything (except Reiki apparently).





I think you should stop referring to science altogether if your going to use argumentum ad numerum to validate your phoney practices.



I'm a bit bemused with this, are you using "A.U." as some sort of university of life.
You have previously stated you had a degree from an accredited university and that you are now studying for a Phd. You must be obtaining these qualifications from somewhere that has a website, or are these imaginery ? To be honest I wouldn't use a degree in Reiki for anything other than wiping my butt, I'm just interested in the nature of these qualifications since you seem to think they have some merit.

Feel free to "whip out" your ego, I don't find that a particularly threatening prospect.

I think you have a tender nerve ending in your hands. The same feeling you would get if you sat upon your hands for a couple hours. It feels amazing. It's like an energy of the universe flowing through your hands, when it's actually its the blood rushing back through and your nerves tingle as if some cosmic power is flowing through your hands.

I used to think I had some cosmic energy in my hands when that happened as I was really young. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but that is my first thought on the subject. Of course nobody will admit to being wrong or nobody will admit to listening to someone who is truely sincere. This is the world we live in. A world of lies and deception. When the truth comes forth, not even a photo or video can prove a person right anymore. One would blame manipulation to any source proven.

And shall we be in a state of confusion until the day we die and live among the heavens where all answers of the supernatural elements will be answered.

[quote=Mr Ed,Jun 9 2005, 12:14 AM]
[quote]once again i am very flattered that you think i reek of superioriy to the point where you are reduced to insults, but it is really hindering the discussion, besides bear in mind that it is probably morning for you, whereas it is nearing the middle of the night for me, you are alert, i am loopy and tired. i am not at my best and you still find me superior, you are SOOOOOO sweet![/quote]

I happy for you, it must be nice thinking you are better or more enlightened than everyone else. I find your ego very superior.
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Boy you are stuck on this!
i am having a problem with my ego for not being able to put up with your insults in the middle of my night to your pretty amped up morning. i was telling you i was tired. i am starting to question your sanity as all you can seem to talk about is how great you think i think i am, get off it, even if i was a egotistical as you say, it is my right to write what i want and my ego is not the subject of this thread, so get off of it.

[quote]yup, you really can kill any argument with semantics, it's like kryptonite and super man.[/quote]

[quote]Hmm I prefer the analogy sane and insane.[/quote]

Hon, sane and insane are not an analogy to each other or to superman and kryptonite.
i mean that kryptonyte bring superman to his knees and renders him pointless, just like semantics arguments do to debates.

[quote]Death to all arguments, up with semantics argument. WE WILL LOOSE TRACK OF EVERY POINT!!!!!

So what is your solution? Shall we define each and every word we use in each and every way we use it? Let's not forget to define the words we use to define the words we used!!!!

Yeah right , i think i am pretty done with this. i heald out valliently, but four pages later i have still not been able to discuss my synthesis of "chi" in hands.[/quote]

You are the master exaggerator! For that one statement I defined what I meant. To try and help you understand. Now you go even further off topic trying to be funny, would have been good if it was funny though.
I never emphasised defining words, you are the one who is friends with dictionary.com. ...
I don 't think you held out valiantly, but hey, it's your mind.
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que pas es WHAT!!!!! Dude!

yes.





Oh so you have been to a reiki prac. and had an effect. why are you denying anything, maybe you did not have enough ailment to have difinitive effect.
i once had an incurable neuromuscular disorder that i no longer have. My proof is a little more difinitive, there fore i have a stronger conviction than you, it fits.

By the way, if you think the majority of the world believes the sun revolves around the earth, you are right, but that is a terrible example for it's sheer rediculocity.

Reiki is a better example in that it works and most of society thinks it is a trivial little peice of massage.





Yes, it would.

Are you saying there is no connection between the three bodies, that they exist seperatly?

i believe they are extremely related in function.





Right but i gave the definitions to show the rediculous nature of the word metaphysics being defined as a system of metaphysisics.



Says someone who has clearly done 0 hours of research on this common subject.



So every one of the hundreds of cultures with discriptions of this very thing don't count, neither do the studies, or the photgraphs nor the people who can see it.

So tell me how it could be remotly possible that what is normal on the level of the smallest building block of all molecules that make up everything not be normal among what is made with those molecules?



Don't be insulting, if you were here i would be able to show you quantum effects viewable on macrobiotics levels.
i am decieving no one by discussing what i utilize on a daily basis as though i utilize it, that is just reality.



Here we go again with that way shape and form buisness. Nothing is so well known anyone can say that, let alone you discussing quantum physics unless you have quite the educational back ground to back that up. As the front runners in quantum study will only say definatly that nothing can be said definitly. The quote is something like, "The only thing we will say for definate certainty is that nothing in this field is certain." but i forget who said it.






Are you crazy?
No really.

energy in hands has been "firmly established as a para normal phenomena"?

Are you sure you want to have said that after you stated that it has nothing to do with quantum theory in any way shape or form.

Your debate methods suck.

Your personal preference for the title of paranormal does not make it so, and it never has been. There has been no difinitive findings for any random meaningless heading for this faulty titling of human function.





Maybe, but i am tired of trying to prove it exists as it is such a small faction of what i am talking about, let's discuss all of the things we can do with the energy in our hands. i am simply tired of centering the discussion around something some of the participants refuse to even concider exists at all.

Just because something has not been proven does not mean it is hot air or psudo (which means fake) science.

Apples would still fall on heads even before Newton was born let alone began to think about gravity.

Once people thought the world being round was a fallacy a psudo science.

How come no one likes forward thinkers until they die, and then they become the end all be all of thought. Humans are hilarious animals.


My point is, you don't know one way or another, so it is just as stupid to pick one difinitive as it does the other difinitive.





There is science to define everthing, even the things we haven't discovered the science to see.

Quantum theory makes the whole method of the world the universe and the multiverse levels to make sense.

i am simply realistic enough to know there is nothing i can say to convey to you my years of research to you, that makes me think that quantum theory can explain both how tarot cards work and how reiki works.







i actually have said nothing about the fallicy of theory that many people agree with me so i am right. i have not stated that i am agreed with em masse nor have i stated that i am right. But i am certainly not a phoney.



You are bewildered? Or were you amused?

Regardless the simple answer is no.



i said i had an accredited reiki degree, i recieved this from apprenticeship. i was trying to prove the existance of reiki to someone and would have used a friends degree from an acreditted university to show the proof posative exisence of the concept of reiki.

i am working on a Phd. from Autodidactic U, which is highly accredited.



Why?
The internet is primarily for commerce in the current form.
A.U. has opted out.
It does not need to generate mass applications as there is an extensive waiting list. It is a private school that does not believe in what the internet has become.

There will be new versions of the concept and functions of the internet, and i have been told they are preparing something for that.



Boy you certainly are a disrespectful little sh**, aren't you?

Whatever the degree, but especially one that takes much time and effort should not be used to your own sick pleasures of defacement.

You have just proved you opinions to be totally without merit to me as you clearly have no class and not even the slightest bit of respect for anything truely valuable.

*sigh*



Because the effect was mental, meaning that it was not caused by an external source, but rather by the mind itself. You can credit reiki, energy in the hands, or whatever you like, however the fact remains that the only effect I felt was the same one that appeared in counteless different cases, none of which were related to reiki. Unless the cause were conclusively shown to have been nothing other than reiki, you cannot claim that it is.



Ridiculous? No, it is rather fitting. In both cases, people are under the general impression that an event has qualities which, while making sense and being observable in a subjective manner, do not actually bear out to be objectively accurate. Reiki, by its definition, claims to be more than, say, a swedish massage, which makes no bones about being purely physical in nature. Reiki involves, by definition, the manipulation of undefined human energies.



Both. They do exist seperately, but they are connected. Not matter what the mindset of a person, a broken arm is still a broken arm; they may feel better after someone gives them energy from their hands, but that is purely mental, and does nothing to fix the broken arm.



Well, you'll have to take that up with the authors of the dictionary, however it isn't at all an uncommon method to show a contextual use of a word in order to help define it. Many people simply do not know that methaphysics is a system, like math and skepticism, as opposed to some force or power.



I've been at this for twenty years. I've done a good amount of research. Now, please respond to the arguments, instead of claiming that I haven't got the faintest idea what I'm talking about.



That's correct. Hundreds of cultures claiming the universe is geocentric, videos of the sun traveling around the planet, people who watch the sun revolve around the Earth on a daily basis, absolutely none of it is objective enough to be considered evidence. Perhaps the pictures, but then, if all we are seeing are pictures of people touching other people, it really doesn't mean a whole lot.

So, to avoid getting caught up in a Mr. Ed/Anami point by point discussion, do you understand that what I am trying to say here is that, in order to substantiate a claim, what is needed is objective evidence, not speculative or subjective accounts?

Its called the Fallacy of Composition, and basically it is the logical fallacy concerning the belief that properties of individual elements are reflected in the entire unit as a whole. The simplest example is that of table salt, composed of two chemical, Sodium and Chloride, both of which are toxic to the human body, but which together, become a necessary part of the diet.

Simply put, individual properties present in the quantum world have never been shown to be reflected by the unit as a whole. In anything.



Then please, describe what it is you would show. I would be willing to bet that it isn't demosntrating wuite what you would like it to demonstrate.



Granted, my debate methods don't contain the word "suck", or accusations of insanity, but I hope you will respect them nonetheless, as others have found me to be a fairly good debater regardless.

The projection of energy from the hands is indeed a paranormal topic because it involves the manipulation of an undefined energy through means other than those normally found within the human body despite being credited to the human body (usually the mind). That makes the word paranormal an umbrella term for all the subjects that fit this field, including telekinesis, most other psychic abilities, and projecting energy from the hands.



The essential problem is that, while you seem to consider the two to be seperate phenomena, all the skeptics consider them one and the same. Unless you wish to define reiki as something that does not involve any sort of unknown energies, only the physical manipulation of the body, than this unknown energy is pretty much the same as the unknown energy in the hands, that was the original subject of discussion.

If it has only to do with your mind and nothing at all to do with the mind or the hands of the practicioner, why did you go have a session?

Reiki utilizes the effects of the mind of the patient and the practicioner, it regard energy present around the body of the patient as well as directing that energy with trained hands of the practicioner. Nothing involves only one thing.



If you are using your experrience to discount a respected feild of health, you must be somewhat more specific.
What effect did you have and what cases unrelated to reiki did you experience this same effect, The one you gave is by massage, wich is related and also effects the energetic body as well as the physical.



What cause who is doing the study on what that is nothing other than reiki, what are you talking about?
Do not try to make me into some reiki test scientist. i have not claimed this.





What i am saying is that while there are people who beklieve in the effeccts of reiki, it is pretty impossible to find someone who still thinks the sun revolves around the earth, bad example to your point. Which remains unmade in relation to the subject at hand.



They are very defined. Check out a book on shiatsu or acupuncture, see all of those carefully named and directed meridian lines? Whether they are right or not, you can not say they are undefined. And sweadish is not purely physical, it is well known to effect the mind, and clearly so, it also is known to aid the energetic body.





That was a test. i know for a fact you do not know what i am talking about when i say three bodies as these theories are not public and still being defined. You just want to argue and i fear it is just for that point and you have no info on thius subject.

oh, well, i am in the response box now!

i have visible cured a third degree burn over night. This is impossible but was verified by several people. i no longer show any signs at all of fibromeialgia, which i was burdoned with or 22 years. Ignorantly nay say all you want, you most certainly can not make me now disbelieve after just those two examples, let alone the rest.

i do not know about bone healing as i do not break.





It is bad form to use a word to define itself. period.
i take it up , rather more intelligently, with the people i am speaking to.
i can not change a dictionary which has several definitions in their how many words, i don't like.

or it can be my opinion that the word is commonly misdefined. Check the dictionary in twenty years and see if the definition for metaphysics has changed, it will not be by my alteration, but by a further acceptance of reality.





At what?
Disproving reiki, no luck yet, huh?



ok make an argument that isn't basically, "your wrong cause I say so."

And i will respond. Tenty years, eh? So your what forty?

You are one of the few people who don't leave a birthday up. i have noticed this is a way to insinuate being older than you are with out getting blatantly caught.

So what have you been studying for twenty years, where, what are the most poignant books you have read on the subject, etc.





You have video of the sun revolving around the planet!!! wow let's see!!!!

No culture has openly claimed this in like five hundred years. Everyone sort of went op. yup, threre we see what it looks like we are not the center of the universe, ouy well held and taught thoughts on the matter were totally and completely wrong.

Wait who's argument are you trying to support here by saying science is commonly wrong and changing? Me or you?




Thjey do? people watch the sun go around the world, even though we know now without a doubt that that is a misinterpretation of the earth rotating while it goes around the sun.



Yeah because my arguments are as light wheight as your sun argument

Not pics of people touching people, pics of the electromagnetic bioenergetic field around people and plants and objects, respectivly.




Maybe you could clue me in as to what claim i am substanciating. The earths revolution around the sun, the asstertion that people think the sun revolves around the earth, the existance of reiki, that it is in main stream media, the proof of reiki working. Which claim created by me or created by you to dump on me are you expectinmg me to suss out of this rediculous bashing to substanciate, darling?

Or do you finally want me to discuss energy, specifically in hands.

My point is, where the heck do you get off, confusing the convo with all of that tripe and then reguest me to substanciate mystery claims, when i doubt you are even aware of any of my points, as per you responses? Just asking...

Because, once upon a time, I was an ardent advocate of all things mystical.



Like I said, reiki claims that "energy" is manipulated by an external source, and there is simply nothing that would support that assumption.



I am not discounting a respected field of health. I am discounting a field that makes paranormal claims.



The simple sense of well-being, or as you put it, the "mother kissing the boo-boo" effect, is also known as the placebo phenomena, in which an unrelated cause, such as a sugar pill, is given to a person with the claim that it will relieve pain. The belief that this cause will cause the "well-being" effect is oftentimes sufficient to make it come to pass. Since the cause is not actually the sugar pill (or the reiki, or the laying on of hands, or the massage), then we can assume that the effect, the sense of well-being, does not originate from these things, but rather from the internal (not external) belief of the mind.



I was under the impression that you claimed to have a degree in this. Regardless, this can be used on any claim that is made. Any claim that a given cause is responsible for a given effect implies that no other cause was responsible for this effect.



As of 2002, the National Census polls indicated that 40% of the U.S. population believed the sun revolved around the Earth. This is in a country that considers itself fairly well-educated. There are many more countries and societies with a less comprehensive educational system than ours that are under the same impression concerning the movements of the heavens.

In short, not only does the great majority of the world believe in a geocentric universe, I would even venture that more people believe in that than in reiki (as reiki is more of a social phenomena).

The point, to be painfully clear, is that the majority believe in a phenomena does not, in any way, validate the existance of that phenomena.



They are named, but they are not defined. Giving something a name and saying that it does such and such means very little. There is a whoomabits on the beach that scrumbles the shoons. There you have a clearly named object, with a specific function, yet it doesn't really mean anything. If instead, I say that there is a lifeguard on the beach that picks up the litter, now you have something that is not only named, but also has an objective existance. Whereas the existance of meridian lines and whoomabits can only be derived by asking the people who wrote the stories, the existance of lifeguards can be sourced from in variety of different ways, and their existance, to say nothing of their actions, can be objectively measured (and is, on a yearly basis)



So does a good nap, but just like swedish massage, no one is claiming that unknown forces are involved.



Considering that I was referring to "mental" and "physical" (the third assumption being the obvious "spirit") and that they are a well-know part of asian medicine, there was no reason to believe you were referring to anything else. These are not only public, they have been out for millenia.

If, on the other hand, you claim that you or those whom you refer to (since you claim to be a student of theirs) were keeping these things secret, then there really wasn't any reason to assume I would know what you were talking about to begin with, was there? Obviously, if its your little secret, I wouldn't know it.

In short, despite your claims that this was a "test", you still have not defined this unknown energy, and now, you are even claiming that it is a secret.





ah...what?



I have no interest in making you disbelieve anything. Belief does not need reason or logic; it exists on its own. What I can say, however, is that in the hundreds of tests that have been conducted by educational institutes and private companies on all sorts of paranormal phenomena (including psychic healing), there has never been any significant evidence supporting the existance iof these unknown energies. That, I can say without the slightest trace of ignorance (but, by all means, feel free to continue calling my arguments ignorant).



You aren't defining a word with itself. You are using it contextually in order to demostrate its property. I'm not sure how well known this practice is in regular action, but it is common among english scholars (that was my field of study)



Yes, well, definitions don't exist for you to pick and choose, but rather to define the uses of the word. If you don't like what the definition of the word is...well, good luck with that, but the rest of the world will continue using the dictionary as an unbiased source. Unless you can produce some sort of greater authority than they, very few will be interested in you interpretation of commonly used words. Ask your more intelligent friends about it, as obviously you do not consider me among their number.



Getting quite catty, aren't we? I have been involved, as I quite clearly said, in the paranormal field for twenty years.



I have. My argument is that you cannot claim that something is a cause without showing objective evidence that no other cause was responsible, which is one of the tenets of Formal Logic. In regards to energy in the hands, I very clearly explained the physiological response of the human body to focusing on an individual body part (you can find the basics of that in any biology book that explains what blushing is). In regards to Reiki, I claim that the energy that is being manipulated by the practioner is an unknown and undefined energy because there is no energy, biological or otherwise, that has ever displayed the properties reiki practioners claim, nor has there been any evidence that any sort of unaccountable energy can be projected from any part of the bodies, including the hands. You are wrong because I say so? No. You are wrong because you fail to address these vital points.



Scientific Methodology and Formal Logic (forte, right?). My strength lies in the ability to verify the credibility and probability of something occuring in the manner which is claimed.



No secret there. I am 32. I don't really think of myself as being all that old. I just don't generally fill out profiles available to the general public.



Poignant?

I have to say my favorite author is Michael Shermer.

Why wait? Look outside. Anyone can tell the sun is moving around the Earth while we stand still.



As I said before, it is still the majority view of the individuals. What the official stance of any given society as a whole is actually irrelevant, as we are discussing belief, which is an individual (subjective) thing.



Where did this come from? The geocentrism example is used to show that common opinion is no sufficient to support a claim of existence.

For the record, I believe that science is, on occassion, incorrect, and most definitely dynamic.



Exactly. See what "we" know has nothing to do with what "they" know. Many have never hear of geocentrism, many more probably don't really believe it, and the vast majority, quite frankly, don't care, and would consider the knowledge interesting, but hardly earth-shattering (so to speak). But thats another tangent.





No, because pictures do not generally contain a great deal of measurable data. Sheesh, enough with witticism already!



Are you referring to Kirilian photography?



First off, I would like an apology for the use of the word Darling. I have been nothing but civil to you, and I expect the same in return. Your condescending tone is neither warranted, nor welcome, and if you no longer wish to discuss this, then say so like an adult, not like some child attempting to win a schoolyard argument by provoking another to throw the first punch.

Secondly, you are, to my understanding, arguing that it is possible for energy to be produced within the body, and for that energy to be used to affect a foreign body, such as when a healer places their hands on another and uses energy manipulation to create a greater sense of well-being. If I am incorrect, then please define what your stance is.



As I said, if my above belief is incorrect, then by all means correct it. As it stands, I now consider what you have just done an unwarranted attack on what I previously considered a decent conversation.

But we are not discussing molecules, the building blocks of things, we are discussing, quantum particles which make up every thing, including those poisonous and then non poisonous molecule. i am saying Sodium and chloride and the combined salt are influanceable by quantum theories. It is a logical fallacy to assume that if one set and level of looking micro to macro shows differing behaviors that they all must. i am not saying the reactions are perfectly present everytime, that is the last thing i am saying, but effecting quantum particles has the ability to effect the macro world made of the molecules the quantum realm created.



Simply put, if you were here right now, presently, i would instandly prove you false in that statement. Your not, so enjoy remaining ignorant, until you discover on your own.





There was a study done in Washington that supports the little parlor tricks i perform daily, using my awareness of this science.
Decribing is lame and time consumptive as i need to run out the door in ten // opps i actaully had to run right then and am back now, hours later///








i was merely pointing out how disrespectful it is to pretend you can so absloutly refuse to accept any thought even of the hypothetical to anything i am saying.

Excuse me for speaking bluntly, but at this point, i do.



Kinesis has to do with movement, not super natural, or abouve and beyond natural.

My assertion is that the energy is defined in many useful ways in many cultures, that the meansw are normally found, though commonly ignored.





They are not seperate. i am not asserting that they are sperate, i am trying to concur as to their unified function. Energy in hands as to reiki, that is.

Again normal claims.



On what are you basing your assertion that placebo and "well being" and brain function are unrelated?




Aknowledging my education and claiming to be a subject test scientist are worlds apart.

As for the last statement...????????




That needs to be annotated more than anything i have ever seen on the internet.

Please give a link to that information.





it is also extensivly defined.

As i said, check out a book.



The difference is in the perception or the experience of something. If oyu did't speak english or you had never heard of a life gaurd or litter, you might think it sounds like a whoombuts scrumbling shoons, but the lifegaurd is still on the beach picking up litter.





Yes, and as a good nap there are no unknown forces involved.





So this you grab onto and understand, when it's informational background is similar to reiki in that they aree known in many ways in many cultures, to the point they are known of.




The point was to shown you some things that have proven to me.

Ignorance simply means being unaware of something. If you have not had experiences that show you normal healing that you seemingly may refer to as paranormal (but if it was "super" natural, it wouldn't happen, and it does., so it is natural) because you have not had experrience with it, that you recognized, you are unaware that it occurs and are therefore technically ignorant. i intended no insult or disrespect, i was simply pointing out it is easier to discuss this when you have experienced it.



My point is to say, everyone already had different definitions of words.
i am the one that used the dictionary as my source, however, logic sometimes has to question definitions that break the "rules" of dictionaries. The one in question being to not define the word using the word. In your feild of study, surely you learned this basic method of understanding communication.



You can not come into an internet chat board and ask people to do something that involves face to face interaction to prove their assertions. We are just discussing here and you are no scientific board panel to prepare a presentation for.

You can not set up an impossible request and then claimm that those that can not meet that imposible request back off with their discussion.




Yes, signioficant to your synthesis.



Now that is strikingly interesting.
opinions are like well whatever.

I think Mr. Ed sits at home all day, searching this website for new threads so he can go and put his ignorant opinions on them to make himself feel smart.

And I think as first posts go; that was hardly an auspicious beginning..
If you have nothing to say about the topic at hand, then why not refrain from using it as a chance for a personal jibe?

Just wanted to comment on ' NO WAY someone would come here and ask about it' or soemething of the sort.

IIIII have have a few expierences of things myself and wouldnt DARE go to someone personally, or even someone that i knew. Its safe here. PEople dont know you therefor if you are condimned for something, its not taken so personal, it dosent hurt so bad, and your rep is non the less hurt in it.

You can seek advise and help without everyone thinking your a total freak or that your delusional and need help.

Sheesh.. give people a break.

If I could do this stuff... I would tell you guys... I'd rather tell someone who would AT LEAST take into consideration of what I have to say rather than someone who'll just laugh at me... That's why I don't tell my family about all the paranormal stuff I get interested in... I think they'd just laugh at me... Life does suck