Hello, Since I was about 11 I've been able to use energy from the palms of my hands.. Allow me to explain.. When I arch my fingers and push in then release I feel a tingling force within my hands at first i just thought it was electricity or something but now I'm beginning to wonder because the more energy i release the more powerful the force becomes.. I've presented this to my mother and sister and they tried pushing through the energy and they say it feels tingly and when they put their hand in the middle of my hands releasing the energy i sometimes have the ability to move their hands.. and the wierd thing is I can change my body temperature at will. I assure you all I'm not lying.. I'm just posting to see if anybody else has this strange ability.

Peace

I think this belongs to metaphysics and psychic phenomenon. Yes many other people claim they have this...I doubt it. There are many explanations and if someone really had cool powers and 'the ability to move' other people's 'hands' then they would be the focus of media attention.

Mr Ed, if you have nothing constructive to add, why dont you just not add anything. This is utterly becoming annoying, someone explain something they exprience and people label them first thing as liars, attention seekers, wanna be dragon ball Z....Not everything is black and white, and if you really think it is, WHAT are you doing in a paranormal site???

Deibiddo, I know excatly what you are talking about. It can feel like their is magnetism between your hands. Actually many healers will uses this energy to heal. If you over your hand over someone when that energy is there, they may feel extreme heat, a tingling feeling, even a pressure. Perhaps you might wish to consider learning more about this.

Maybe it can be used for other things, I have not personnaly heard of any. But their might, we never know. Continue experimenting and see where it leads you


ThePortal

Sorry, I seem to have missed the large sign that indicated we can only add constructive messages...yes this is a paranormal site...I can be interested in other paranormal matters and still be a skeptic regarding dragon ball z style chi.
If people really could control such 'element's and have the ablility to do some of the things people claim on here then there is no way, NO WAY, that they would waste their time telling us. They would be on the news etc. It would be a phenomenon that would sweep any western country.

In my opinion it is wasting these people's time to tell them to 'develop their gift', yes they can do what they want and they should, but it is pointless. If they are young they will probably get older and realise they have wasted their time practising psi balls in their hands.
'many healers will uses this energy to heal'- you have to be joking- again if people could really heal others then there is no way that their abilities wouldn't have be proven by now. Modern science may sometimes like to ignore the paranormal, but if there is conclusive proof they would admit it.

if you say so Mr. Ed......and I still continue to wonder why you are in a Paranormal site. You might wish to go and see a legitimate healer, you might be surprised the feelings you get and they do not even touch you.

Its okay to be sceptic, but dont judge before actually having tried it yourself. Doing otherwise is taking someone for their word, and is no less closeminded than a blind believer.

Got to go to work now, have a nice day


ThePortal

Mr. Ed.

As humans on this planet, we all have a different scope of experience.

Some people discover they can do things with their bioenergy, some do not.

Just because there are skeptics, doesn't discounce experiences others have had that you haven't.
Or that you have been so skeptical as to dicount even your own experiences.

There is much one can do beyond psiballs.

As for using it to heal, am i to understand you have never heard of reiki?
Even the media, which cannot be trusted to bring you all or accurate perspectives of reality, touts reiki.


Don't be so negative, go make a psi ball or something....


i am also wondering about all of the Dragon ball Z interpretation of bioenergy here. If you doubt bioenergy, read some studies drop the fad names and look up Human bioenergy, or the human bioenergetic body. Plants have one too.
To my understanding "dbz" is a cartoon about dinosaurs or aliens that run arround battling each other right?

If you hear about an psi experience and you think of this, then i think we have uncovered your problem.
It's not like that at all.
Shake your etch-a-sketch and try again. Then maybe you can see a clear picture.

Da Man Jesus could heal, but that is only if you believe he ever existed.

Jesus did exist, that is pretty much a fact in my opinion, the argument is of course, is he the son of god? I think not...

Right, to start with I know the difference between dbz and psi...I was only joking because you said 'someone explain something they exprience and people label them first thing as liars, attention seekers, wanna be dragon ball Z'
Did I ever say I have never tried psi? No.
'Shake your etch-a-sketch and try again. Then maybe you can see a clear picture. '- I am mystified to why you used said this ridiculous comment- unless it was a very ironic joke...

Reiki...I am guessing that is some kind of form of spiritual healing? Well breathing patterns and excersise and waving your hands over someone may well calm then, and make feel better about themselves. However I seriously doubt there is anything remotely paranormal involved.

Where does the media, and I am referring to mainstream media, 'tout reiki'? Please give me a link if there is a good example, seriously.

I saw people talking about engery healing
and reiki on the news just the other day ^^^

Anyways I can make heat come out of my hands..
and charge engery.. and send it to people....
when someone around me looks threating i send them...
lots of negative energy and they stay away.....
i can;t move things or anything Like that....
but i can use postitive and nagative energy..
and i found out I could do this before i read anything about Psi...
once i read about psi it just helped me study and expand my skills....
believe it or not...
whenever i sense danger the energy in my hands builds up fast...
then when i see whoever it trying to follow me.. or treaten me i send negative energy... and they back off...fast

I don't care who believes it or not... but I know what the creator of this thread is saying... and i have to agree with them .. thanks
it's good to know there are others like me out there..

Its probably just your nerves.

I can lay on my arm long enough and it will start to tingle.

The abilities you have described have actually been documented as normal physiological processes. While it is possible (though not probable) that they indicate some paranormal phenomena, the following should also be considered:

The body responds to focus on certain parts of itself by sending more blood into that area. Presumably, the amount of attention the mind is giving that area indicates that it is about to be put to use, and so the extra blood is added in order to grant the extra energy and oxygen needed. Studies have found that participants, by focusing on their hands, subconsciously increased the blood flow to them, thus making them feel firmer, crisper. Very often, this unusual firmness is described as tingly. That is due to the extra energy from the blood. Remember, as far as the body is concerned, you are about to do something with your hands, so it is in its interest to energize that area, metabolicaly speaking. There is nothing mystical about this. It is a simple reaction that occurs throughout the human body on a daily basis. It is actually a slower version of the 'shiver' you get when you almost slip (or, interestingly enough, think about slipping) and catch yourself.

In regards to your temperature changing, this is an exercise regularly performed by advocates of bio-feedback, and is basically a manual triggering of the metabolic conversion of energy in your body. Whereas before you were shunting blood into your hands to provide energy for that area, when you do this temperature change you are actually triggering the metabolic conversion in your actual bloodstream, thus warming up your body as a whole. Some people can practice this to the stage that they can actually evaporate the water off a wet t-shirt (I have personally been able to accomplish this feat).

Like I said, it is possible that you may be exhibiting some sort of paranormal power, however there are perfectly natural explanations for what you are experiencing as well. Think of it this way: If you put a kettle to boil and then focus on it with your mind and try to get it to boil that way, the water will eventually boil, however you should be careful as to what the cause of that was.

As always Aquatus1 says it best..Whether you believe it or not a human can exert almost total control of thier own body. You can make it do things that seem almost paranormal in nature..
Many times lacking knowledge of physiology people interpret this as something metaphysical while, in fact it's all well within the realm of normal biology..
Remember how you said your family could feel the tingle too? That's because they're basically having the same reaction as you. They just interpret it as coming from you because you told them that it was your energy..

ok.



thenk you for insulting me because you did not understand...

Experience and information is like drawing a line to make a picture on an etch-a-sketch.
When you have too many lines all added together for different pictures, you get a messy black screen with bits of grey. But now you know what picture you want to draw (pull clear current synthesis of all experience and information you have encountered) So begin fresh. Shake your etch-a-sketch and form the lines. it may look different than you thought it did. It is also a quick reference to imply that to understand what is being said, you must relinquish some of the perameters of your perspective, to understand anothers perspective. You can use this to enhance your own perspective, expand your horizons.



i never said there was anything paranormal going on. Effecting human bioenergy is normal.
Moving and rearranging the quantum particles of the second body.



Um, in many places of the world massage is experienceing a renassance, with more people understanding the imperrative health benefits, insurance companies beginning to cover treatments, more schools are popping up than ever before.

Most people have some idea of what reiki is. It's fine if you do not but you can't deny the plethora of exposure for the field of reiki, because you are not aware of it.
Try google for your links or just go open your phone book, seriously.

It could be telekinesis, rare I believe
So maybe you have this energy in your hands to perform telekinesis (moving things with your mind) watch the film Carrie she has it, could give you some idea of what's happening.

I think it's cool that you have this energy though, kep training and maybe you could be the next Carrie

http://home.xtra.co.nz/hosts/Wingmakers/Telekinesis.html

'thenk you for insulting me because you did not understand...'

I know what an etch-a-skecth is, I understand that very well thankyou. What I was getting at, as you don't seem to be able to understand, is that is was a very, very, bad phrase. In my mind it made you sound like an old man who coins ridiculous phrases that were inspired by a life coaching session. Not that you care of course, I was not insulting you either, merely making observations.

'i never said there was anything paranormal going on. Effecting human bioenergy is normal.
Moving and rearranging the quantum particles of the second body.'

Oh of course! That is absolutely normal and makes perfect sense! Forgive me, I was being silly.

'It's fine if you do not but you can't deny the plethora of exposure for the field of reiki,'

Believe me, I can.

Sorry, everyone gets to use metaphors, not just old men and english teachers.



Once again let me reiterate that no one person is the center of all of existence, not even you. That whole everything is a figment of your imagination perspective is self centered and damaging to others perspectives. You don't have to understand everything i say to make it so, feasable or wrong.
In fact most people when they don't know what someone is talking about ask questions before immediatly discounting and insulting.

In other words, just because you do not understand what i am talking about does not make it ridiculous, it just means you need to read more.







Yes, darling of course you CAN, but that doesn't make it cease it's existance.


If you do not understand what i am talking about, but would like to.
(dropping metaphors) Clear what you think you know, listen to what i am saying with an open mind, try to understand this different perspective, then return to your own perspective now changed by that experience. Futile attempts to make fun of me serve no purpose but making you look silly.

'Sorry, everyone gets to use metaphors, not just old men and english teachers. '

Yes, everyone can use metaphors. I was simply saying your one made you sound like someone who does life coaching.

'Once again let me reiterate that no one person is the center of all of existence'

What do you mean by this? You are getting very philisophical. You are not making it clear that this is all, just your opinion. In someone's opinion they could be the centre of all existence.

'That whole everything is a figment of your imagination perspective is self centered and damaging to others perspectives. You don't have to understand everything i say to make it so, feasable or wrong.'

You are right, I don't understand some of the things you say, and this is a great example of that. The bit where you keep mentioning perspectives and don't seem to make any sense whatsoever, truely confuses me. I would be ever so happy if you were to clear that up for me, as you do seem to be a fountain of philiosphical knowledge.

'In other words, just because you do not understand what i am talking about does not make it ridiculous, it just means you need to read more.'

Read more about what exactly? I think you need to read more about mainstream science. Saying this, I bet you read tons about it.


'Yes, darling of course you CAN, but that doesn't make it cease it's existance'

When it's existence is highly debatable I do not think it is a good idea to use a counter argument like that, as I can do the exact same thing and we will constantly go back and forth.

'If you do not understand what i am talking about, but would like to.
(dropping metaphors) Clear what you think you know, listen to what i am saying with an open mind, try to understand this different perspective, then return to your own perspective now changed by that experience.'

What a nice ego you have there! I do have an open mind normally, but when people say things like 'chi has been proven' and it must exist, I get annoyed because there is no solid proof whatsoever. Oh sorry, I forgot about reiki.
I think you need to see other people's persepectives, not me. I know that many people believe they can channel 'chi' in their hands and make a ball. Sadly this does not change me. I will try and put it in a way you understand, 'It does not change my persepective on the existence that many others percieve and I do not exist soley from their perspective.' There, that make sense?

'Futile attempts to make fun of me serve no purpose but making you look silly.'

Oh so I look silly? Silly me! I forgot that I believe in stupid proof, and you believe that we can travel outside our bodies when we sleep and channel energy in our hands and make ball's from it.
God I must look so silly now!

fascinating.

i wish i could control my body temp. i can control my my pulse, blood pressure, sensitivies, and other such things though.

Not to get in the middle of this, but I do have some things to add. There have been reports of healing in the mainstream media. CNN did a little report a few years ago on a church that would have a ceremony and then people would be healed. The people from the church said that God told them to use what was in their souls (Life energy, perhaps?) to heal those who came seeking help. A small group would circle around the person with the ailments and place their hands about 1' from them as they prayed for God to heal their soul, as well. The person would then fall over. After a few seconds they would get up, healed. Just a bit of info for those who care.

Cured of what? Cancer, a wasting liver disease, something terminal?

They show these people being 'cured' on tv all around the world, sometimes by clergymen and sometimes not.

Mainstream news channels have also shown a 'prophet' summoning UFOs.

the more important message in these healings is how important and powerful the mindset of the ill are in their healing process.

through medititation you can control and manipulate pretty much anything about your body. it is a case of people rediscovering their own capabilities. your mind is either your greatest tool or your greatest nemesis.

In a manner of speaking, i sort of do life coaching.



i am a philosopher, you're good!
No one ever says anything that is not their opinion or current synthesis of things unless they're quoteing and even then it is biased, even if just by context. In someones opinion, or in everyones opinion they may believe themselves to be the center of all existence, this doesn't make it so.
It is in fact not so, if you want me to validate that be prepared, i will be extensive.
Trust me though, my point stands, you are not the center of all of everything.



i mean everyone doesn't think the same way.
Not even close.
The way you see things is different from the way everyone else sees things. Your perspective is yours alone, as is everyone elses.



Begin with a film, What the Bleep do we Know, write down the bames of the contributing scientists and read their works, remember to flip the disk over for additional footage and interviews.

Check out brian Weiss, beggining with many lives many masters.
Read all you can about quantum theory, check out an anatomy book by Netter,
Read Rick straussman, study brain chemestry.
Study all of the religions you can, if you have read everything pror you'll be shocked by what you find.

There is the tip of the iceburg, i study unification theory as a whole, so what angle to you want to learn from and i will give oyu a more specialized list.
Or just blow it off, your choice.




Once again, the existence of Reiki is not debateable, google it and accept that it exists, let's not be silly.




It is a general statement sweetheart, to understand anyone, you must look through the perspective of the person in question, not me, that would be recoculous.



What, someone says something sensible so your mind closes?
"Chi" as you call it has been proven under many names many times.
Come here and see and have solid proof, or just wait.

Agiain, please do a quick google of Reiki, it is so real it would be silly of me to put some of the emense number of links.



If oyu knew me, you'd know i have a knack for it.



ok.
again your disbelief does not dicount it's existence for anyone but you, bummer dude.



Beilieving in proof is not silly, i have seen so much proof i believe, if you were here, you would see so much proof, you'd believe, you're not, so whatever, i wasn;t talking about your wanting proof it was about the style of your dicussion with me.
Travel outside our bodies when we sleep?
channel energy into balls?
You have decided who i am and you are argueing things we have not even discuss. Assuming arrests discussion, and ceases it having any point.

'In a manner of speaking, i sort of do life coaching.

Well that would explain a lot.


'Begin with a film, What the Bleep do we Know, write down the bames of the contributing scientists and read their works, remember to flip the disk over for additional footage and interviews.

Check out brian Weiss, beggining with many lives many masters.
Read all you can about quantum theory, check out an anatomy book by Netter,
Read Rick straussman, study brain chemestry.
Study all of the religions you can, if you have read everything pror you'll be shocked by what you find.

There is the tip of the iceburg, i study unification theory as a whole, so what angle to you want to learn from and i will give oyu a more specialized list.
Or just blow it off, your choice.'

Yeah, I don't think I will add those to my reading list or go out and buy the videos for a friday night. I am sure there are many, many scientific studies that have been written up, opposing what these books say, or shedding light on them in a different way. I could tell you to read them, but I am sure you must have already saying this.
How would I be shocked? Because the irrefutable proof of chi would be right in my face?

Once again, the existence of Reiki is not debateable, google it and accept that it exists, let's not be silly.

I do not believe I have said Reiki doesn't exist. I said that it's effects have nothing to do with chi, putting chi in the context of making balls and using energy in a way that has strong effects.
I am sorry but I think this whole topic is silly, darling, therefore I am finding it immensely hard to keep a straight face.

'If oyu knew me, you'd know i have a knack for it.
Well thankfully, that will always be a mystery. Hmm well if you are going to say things like that, I must confess, I am a psychic am emphatic.

'Beilieving in proof is not silly, i have seen so much proof i believe, if you were here, you would see so much proof, you'd believe, you're not, so whatever, i wasn;t talking about your wanting proof it was about the style of your dicussion with me.
Travel outside our bodies when we sleep?
channel energy into balls?
You have decided who i am and you are argueing things we have not even discuss. Assuming arrests discussion, and ceases it having any point.'

Oh silly me sweetheart, but I assumed you do believe in these things. Reading from your other posts, for example on 'psi vampires'. Posts like these highly encouraged me to believe you knew these gifts existed.
Sorry for assuming something to unlikely, darling.


'ok.
again your disbelief does not dicount it's existence for anyone but you, bummer dude.'

And your belief does not prove 'it's existence for anyone but you, bummer dude.'

i said in a manner of speaking. Get those pics of Tom Robbins out of your head, that is not what i do.
Please to not pretend you have any idea what i do based on one word that is 75% a toungue in cheek joke and 25% truth.




Good, read these, read the opposing and draw your own conclusions. being informed was all i suggested in the first place.

And i have, of course read much that disputes other information i have read, by looking at many sides i have drawn my synthesis.




Read before you write doll...
If you read this minute reading list i have given you and then you study world religions you will be shocked.



"It's fine if you do not but you can't deny the plethora of exposure for the field of reiki,"
~anami

"Believe me, I can." ~ quote Mr. Ed.

Reiki deals with the scientific concept of human electromagnetic bioenergy. The anchient chinese called it Chi asw in chi gong or movement of energy.
And you did say you deny it dispite the plethora of media coverage, remember?




It seems silly to you because you are uninformed and argueing with some who spends their existance on this subject among a few others. Giggle all you want.



If you were psycic or empathic you'd be drawn to not make an idiot of yourself by attempting to discount sothing you claim yourself to not understand. That's not true i suppose, you can be psycic or empathic and still choose ignorance, it just seems sillier.



So because i believe humans take advantage of each other using the samething that causes a staticelectric shock (you have experienced this, yes? no? go rub a ballon on your head and stick it on the wall) i must believe in everything you find silly, great logic...

Assumeing always leaves you unlikely.




Sort of, except for the people who pay my grants, all of the foreward thinking scientific community and anyone who has taken the time to read about it, i feel so alone.





Results 1 - 10 of about 1,850,000 for Reiki. (0.12 seconds)
That is nearly two million in less than a second.
If you actually want to know how accurate i am, take time, duh!
i don't debate as chat, It leaves you open to refuse to understand given your inclinatiuon to assume wild random things.

Anami, Mr. Ed, this is a pretty good thread, and you both are making some decent points, but do you think you could cut out the personal attacks and snide comments (and yes, you have both been guilty of those)? Whether you intend it to or not, you are making your debate sound more like and argument, and it is really taking away from your points.

Thanks for the note.
i agree.

i fight back for sure, but i would much rather just have the discussion.

'i said in a manner of speaking. Get those pics of Tom Robbins out of your head, that is not what i do.
Please to not pretend you have any idea what i do based on one word that is 75% a toungue in cheek joke and 25% truth.'

I do not know who Tin Robbins is, just Lyn Scully.
I never said I had any idea of what you do, don't let your imagination get carried away, all I said it that you sounded like a life coach and that it would explain a lot- you say a lot of life coachy things.


'Read before you write doll...
If you read this minute reading list i have given you and then you study world religions you will be shocked.'

I am pretty sure I wouldn't be sweet heart, maybe if you summarize why I would be in shock.

'Reiki deals with the scientific concept of human electromagnetic bioenergy. The anchient chinese called it Chi asw in chi gong or movement of energy.
And you did say you deny it dispite the plethora of media coverage, remember?'

I said that I denied it's paranormal properties, in healing all kinds of diseases etc, as was suggested. If you do not believe it to be paranormal, then you have mislead me by accident, this is a paranormal forum and I took such talk to be paranormal.

'It seems silly to you because you are uninformed and argueing with some who spends their existance on this subject among a few others. Giggle all you want.'

I will. I think maybe too much of this subject has gone to your head, you may not believe me, but that comment was sincere. I think because it is your life you have lost your objective viewpoint.

'If you were psycic or empathic you'd be drawn to not make an idiot of yourself by attempting to discount sothing you claim yourself to not understand. That's not true i suppose, you can be psycic or empathic and still choose ignorance, it just seems sillier.'

Ok, I am pretty sure you got my sarcasm (it is hard to tell with some people on this forum). I am sure I am not making an idiot of myself, in my personal opinion neither of us were idiots, but now I am starting to change my thinking, your comments are going downhill.
I never claimed I did not understand the subject. What I did say however, is that I did not understand some of thing things you were saying because they lacked clarity.

'So because i believe humans take advantage of each other using the samething that causes a staticelectric shock (you have experienced this, yes? no? go rub a ballon on your head and stick it on the wall) i must believe in everything you find silly, great logic...

Assumeing always leaves you unlikely.'

Your posts on psi vampires are somewhat different to this opinion you have just shown. In other posts, when people say they leech psi off other people, they claim to do this without touching. You responded to them as if they were telling the absolute truth. Now you are saying you believe it is because of static electricity, which can only be transferred by touch.
Being inconsistent 'always leaves you unlikely'.

'Sort of, except for the people who pay my grants, all of the foreward thinking scientific community and anyone who has taken the time to read about it, i feel so alone'

Well, I think the majority of people would be inclined to agree with my thinking on the subject. Not the majority of people on this site of course, but in the whole wide world. I definitely do not feel alone.

'Results 1 - 10 of about 1,850,000 for Reiki. (0.12 seconds)
That is nearly two million in less than a second.
If you actually want to know how accurate i am, take time, duh!
i don't debate as chat, It leaves you open to refuse to understand given your inclinatiuon to assume wild random things.'

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,910,000 for fairy magic. (0.41 seconds)
Oh my god! Would you believe it! That is also nearly two million in less then a second. My respect for your arguing power has dropped now, you think by typing something on google proves a point, it doesn't.

My inclination to assume wild, random things? I have seen no evidence of that. From memory I have assumed very little. The life coach thing was a joke that you seem to have taken to heart. If I have assumed I do not think I assummed 'wildly'. Please stop exaggerating.


(I see your point aquatus, from now on I will leave it out, however I will respond equally to comments made).

Oy, equality, the death of us all...

Anyhow, the original poster was asking if the two phenomena (the tingling hands and the body temperature ability) were indicative of psychic abilities. Personally, I stick with the explanation I gave, which I summarize by saying that both phenomena are well-documented, biological occurences, easily replicable, and commonly known in the physiological community.

If one has a confirmed explanation as to what the cause of an effect is, then any other explanation must be able to account not just for the original phenomena, but also why the existing cause is not responsible.

I think, If I understand correctly (which I am not sure I do), that is what I believe.

sorry, i picked a cheesy motivational speaker who is known in the us and the uk for the sake of the argument. i mean that what i do tends to help people fell coached inlife but i am not a life coach, that is all.

i looked up Lyn Scully, and only found personal pages (in a few clicks) and no Lyn Scully life coaches, but perhaps you got that i was saying i am not a cheesy big toothed person who charges 89.95 for a set of tapes to remedy problems in your life, the sources of which are never addressed.






Um, weren't you born in 1990?
At fifteen it would be impossible to not be shocked when studying world religions, unless at fifteen you know everything about every one of the tens of thousands of religions which exist that we know about and define.

But anyone would be shocked if they study quantum physisc and world religions and accept them all in the same form of reality. The unifying concepts become astounding.



i do not debate from the perspective of the person who chooses which threads belong where.
i have distinctly written the word very few times, and i write"para"normal.
Because, though this can be construed as paranormal, it is actually just normal.

Not every offshhot of origional conversation will be filed the same as the subject of the original conversation, that would be silly.



Says the person who has argued the very liniar perspective of viewing your perspective as the one everyone thinks from at root.

Your comment, "I am sorry but I think this whole topic is silly, darling, therefore I am finding it immensely hard to keep a straight face."

may have been scincere, ok, so was mine before it. How objective was your response?
If you so devoutly find this topic so silly and trivial, why are you still debating here?



Sarcasm doesn't ever work without voice inflection and facial expression there is no sarcasm on posts unless it is conveyed, usually in type or smileyface. It is impossible for you post to be read and sarcasm assumed, unless you are REALLY drastic with it.



It is the same concept of particles, and no you don';t touch for static electricity, you almost touch a hand or a doorknow or whatever. Let's drop these chintzy cheezy trivializing terminology, shall we?

People have an electromagnetic bioenergetic body, they effect people with it without understanding it because they do not know. That is what the thread is about, labels aside.

i am responding to them as though they are telling the truth because it is sort of like they are saying "when i get mad at my dog for peeing on the carpet, i go run down pedestrians with my car. It makes me feel better."
So i feel someone who know that there is such a thing to be happening should step in and warn them that such behavior, much like whacking peds, has concequences.

i will repeat that advice here, because it's good shizza.

The first rule of anything, but especially life and existence is;

DON'T BE STUPID!!!!!!



why?

What are you basing that on, that everyone agrees with your perspective of discountance of anything you seem to define as "woo-woo"?

i never said you were alone, i said i was not alone. We are not two black and white opposing enetities. You never know we may even have a few things we agree on!!!
Whoah, DUDE, no way!!!!



My point was made, there is such a thing as Reiki, at least in some peoples minds, just like Fairy magick. You goit me my google technique sucks, i don't use it as i usually actually research stuff. Try news story, reiki. Or Reiki study. ok.

Regardless i know it exists, if you are still haveing trouble realizing, Reiki exists, i could try to scan a copy of my degree from an accreditted university. Oh just to save you your next semantical arguement, i do mean a degree in Reiki.



i am not talking about the life coaching joke. i was talking about the fact that based on what little you had assessed of me on this site you assumed that i believe everything that you concider to be paranormal. These are wild assumptions.

So, to clarify the Reiki thing: Are you claiming that it is an undefined power of metaphysical origin, which does (according to you) factually exist?

Incidentaly, what is the name of your accredited college?

HAve you read the thread? It is not about Reiki i am simply proving to Mr. Ed that Reiki exists in mainstream media.

Please do not put into my mouth your assertions and biases of reiki this aids nothing.
Ask me if you care what i think.

i am working on a Phd at Autodidactic U, my Reiki training was apprenticeship of someone who went to Heartwood in CA.

Yes, I have read the thread, and Reiki, while not the point of it, is a definite point of contention, particularlarly in the past couple of pages. What I am asking is if you believe that Reiki, as a metaphysical power, exists. The reason I am asking you this is because you are insinuating that the existance of practitioners of Reiki is the equivalent of the existance of Reiki. Likewise, you are claiming that an accredited university gave you a degree in Reiki. Your point of view is essentil so that I do not make the mistake of putting words into your mouth. If you do not find the description I gave accurate (apperantly, you find it insulting), then please understand that what I am asking for from you is a definition of Reiki, and, now that you have claimed an authority in it, the source of your degree.

In other words, its a request for more information, not some sort of attack.

'i looked up Lyn Scully, and only found personal pages (in a few clicks) and no Lyn Scully life coaches, but perhaps you got that i was saying i am not a cheesy big toothed person who charges 89.95 for a set of tapes to remedy problems in your life, the sources of which are never addressed.'

She is from an Australian Soap Opera called neigbours. Don't worry about it. I think you have missed the point. One light hearted statement has turned into some kind of point of research. I am sorry you cannot tell the difference between what joke are, and what the points I am trying to make are. Then again, this is a posting about 'chi' in hands...

'Um, weren't you born in 1990?
At fifteen it would be impossible to not be shocked when studying world religions, unless at fifteen you know everything about every one of the tens of thousands of religions which exist that we know about and define.

But anyone would be shocked if they study quantum physisc and world religions and accept them all in the same form of reality. The unifying concepts become astounding.'

No, I was not born in 1990. I am a student.
It would be impossible for you to know everything about all the worlds religions, you are not making a point here, if you are trying to, please clarify. If you would care to explain these 'unifying concepts' I would be greatful, you talk about them at great lengths and yet you give little explanation to what they are. I am sitting exams at the moment so I will not be able to go through the reading material.
I am sure it cannot be that astounding.


' do not debate from the perspective of the person who chooses which threads belong where.
i have distinctly written the word very few times, and i write"para"normal.
Because, though this can be construed as paranormal, it is actually just normal.

Not every offshhot of origional conversation will be filed the same as the subject of the original conversation, that would be silly.'

You are making little sense here, I seem to understand what you mean, but your constant talk of perspectives etc is going to my head. You are being very wordy for simple points.
Obviously from what you are saying, reiki is not normal, it is paranormal. Your last statement has little relevance to the argument. I can understand what it means, but what is the point of it? Reiki is 'paranomal', just as chi, associated with making energy balls, is.
Yes it would be very silly, which is why I am associating the paranormal topics together.

'Says the person who has argued the very liniar perspective of viewing your perspective as the one everyone thinks from at root.'
Your comment, "I am sorry but I think this whole topic is silly, darling, therefore I am finding it immensely hard to keep a straight face."
may have been scincere, ok, so was mine before it. How objective was your response?
If you so devoutly find this topic so silly and trivial, why are you still debating here? '

I understand, but please clarify in future. Maybe everyone thinks it from the root because the majority of people are not dreamers, or possibly gullible. You apparently have proof of these 'gifts', I do not, which is proof enough. If I was speaking to an 80 year old Monk, then I would be more inclined to value what they say and be open minded in my beliefs.
As it so happens, I am talking to you on a paranormal forum, which I write on in a part of my free time, for fun and to see other peoples ideas.

'Sarcasm doesn't ever work without voice inflection and facial expression there is no sarcasm on posts unless it is conveyed, usually in type or smileyface. It is impossible for you post to be read and sarcasm assumed, unless you are REALLY drastic with it.'

I am finding this very hard to believe, I cannot believe you could have missed such blatant, in your face sarcasm. From the beginning of these posts I have been arguing against your point of view- the idea that energy can be used, manipulated, spiritual/mental healing- things like that (don't nit pick). Then, I say I have psychic abilites. This is obviously a joke. It is evident that you have conquered the impossible, just as you seem to have with your extraordinary abilities.

'It is the same concept of particles, and no you don';t touch for static electricity, you almost touch a hand or a doorknow or whatever. Let's drop these chintzy cheezy trivializing terminology, shall we?'

Yes, you don't touch, but you have to be very, very close. In a the psi vampire thread we have been referring to, you agreed with him/her when she/he said that they could leech energy from people. They made it clear that they could do this from a fair distance, much too far for static energy. Therefore...

'People have an electromagnetic bioenergetic body, they effect people with it without understanding it because they do not know. That is what the thread is about, labels aside.'

It is not wise to make statements like this without a lot of proof and links to back it up. I have heard nothing of this energy, but I am not focusing on its alleged existence. You are saying that people effect other people with their own energy, this is actually complete nonsense.
I need no links to back that up.


'i am responding to them as though they are telling the truth because it is sort of like they are saying "when i get mad at my dog for peeing on the carpet, i go run down pedestrians with my car. It makes me feel better."
So i feel someone who know that there is such a thing to be happening should step in and warn them that such behavior, much like whacking peds, has concequences.'

I do not think you should respond to them in such a way, it is irresponsible. These people believe they have such gifts, you encouraging them makes things worse, it increases self-delusion.
If they did exist, they you still have no right to warn them, you are not fully aware of the consequences as you are not some kind of energy god. You could be doing much worse than them, if you had such powers.


'The first rule of anything, but especially life and existence is;

DON'T BE STUPID!!!!!!'

God, you really need to listen to your own adivce. I have said very little stupid comments, compared to yours that is. People in glass houses...


'why?

What are you basing that on, that everyone agrees with your perspective of discountance of anything you seem to define as "woo-woo"?

i never said you were alone, i said i was not alone. We are not two black and white opposing enetities. You never know we may even have a few things we agree on!!!
Whoah, DUDE, no way!!!!'

I think you are lacking in seeing how other people think. If you tell me that you are not alone, in a somewhat sarcastic way, you are implying, whether you know it or not, that I am alone in my beliefs. That is why I responded so.
The last thing you said...funny...

'Regardless i know it exists, if you are still haveing trouble realizing, Reiki exists, i could try to scan a copy of my degree from an accreditted university. Oh just to save you your next semantical arguement, i do mean a degree in Reiki.'

This is a very patronising statement, it worsens your argument. I am having no trouble whatsoever in believing the existence of Reiki, you have not been listening to my argument in your desperation to promote your own achievments. I deniend the paranomal aspect of reki, not its existence as a calming technique etc.
A degree in reiki, well done; it bring very little to the argument. Am I going to have to take your word for it that it is an accredited university?

'i am not talking about the life coaching joke. i was talking about the fact that based on what little you had assessed of me on this site you assumed that i believe everything that you concider to be paranormal. These are wild assumptions.'

I never said that I considered everything I believe to be paranormal, you believe in. I made one link between you and the psi vampire subject, and you have again, greatly exaggerated.
However, if I was to make such assumptions in the future, they would not be wild. They could be assumptions, but they most definitely would not be wild ones.

are you sure you aren't taking drugs?

[quote=Mr Ed,Jun 5 2005, 02:42 PM]
'i looked up Lyn Scully, and only found personal pages (in a few clicks) and no Lyn Scully life coaches, but perhaps you got that i was saying i am not a cheesy big toothed person who charges 89.95 for a set of tapes to remedy problems in your life, the sources of which are never addressed.'

She is from an Australian Soap Opera called neigbours. Don't worry about it. I think you have missed the point. One light hearted statement has turned into some kind of point of research. I am sorry you cannot tell the difference between what joke are, and what the points I am trying to make are. Then again, this is a posting about 'chi' in hands...[right][snapback]657577[/snapback][/right][/quote]

i never took it personally and was only trying to add to the joke, let's drop it.
i was emphasising your assumtions of what i beleive at a lower piece of the thread and you keep associating it here. If you don't like it stop doing it.

[quote]'Um, weren't you born in 1990?
At fifteen it would be impossible to not be shocked when studying world religions, unless at fifteen you know everything about every one of the tens of thousands of religions which exist that we know about and define.

But anyone would be shocked if they study quantum physisc and world religions and accept them all in the same form of reality. The unifying concepts become astounding.'

No, I was not born in 1990. I am a student.[/quote]

oops, "25th June 1988, 7:30 pm and London."

ok so your 17, you still don't know enough not to be astounded.

[quote]It would be impossible for you to know everything about all the worlds religions, you are not making a point here, if you are trying to, please clarify.[/quote]

i never claimed to know everything about all world religions at 27, that would be silly. My p;oint is that you do not know enough not to be astounded at 17.

[quote] If you would care to explain these 'unifying concepts' I would be greatful, you talk about them at great lengths and yet you give little explanation to what they are. I am sitting exams at the moment so I will not be able to go through the reading material.
I am sure it cannot be that astounding.[/quote]

ok. Start a thread about the unifying concepts of world religions made possible by quantum theory, and i will explain at great length what i mean. If you do not feel you can be astounded or knocked down flat on your face in the humblenesss of true awe, i am sad for you in that.


[quote]' do not debate from the perspective of the person who chooses which threads belong where.
i have distinctly written the word very few times, and i write"para"normal.
Because, though this can be construed as paranormal, it is actually just normal.

Not every offshhot of origional conversation will be filed the same as the subject of the original conversation, that would be silly.'

You are making little sense here, I seem to understand what you mean, but your constant talk of perspectives etc is going to my head.[/quote]

Do you uderstand what i mean by perspective?

[quote] You are being very wordy for simple points.
Obviously from what you are saying, reiki is not normal, it is paranormal.[/quote]

What are you basing that on?

[quote] Your last statement has little relevance to the argument. I can understand what it means, but what is the point of it? Reiki is 'paranomal', just as chi, associated with making energy balls, is.[/quote]

My point is that Reiki techniques and effects are normal, just as chi, associated with making energy balls is.
i as an unintentional offshoot debate do not agree that many of the things you are concidering paranormal are para anything, they are just natural factions of life in this reality.

[quote]Yes it would be very silly, which is why I am associating the paranormal topics together.

'Says the person who has argued the very liniar perspective of viewing your perspective as the one everyone thinks from at root.'
Your comment, "I am sorry but I think this whole topic is silly, darling, therefore I am finding it immensely hard to keep a straight face."
may have been scincere, ok, so was mine before it. How objective was your response?
If you so devoutly find this topic so silly and trivial, why are you still debating here? '

I understand, but please clarify in future. Maybe everyone thinks it from the root because the majority of people are not dreamers, or possibly gullible.[/quote]

again what makes you think everyone thinks like you at root.

[quote] You apparently have proof of these 'gifts', I do not, which is proof enough. If I was speaking to an 80 year old Monk, then I would be more inclined to value what they say and be open minded in my beliefs.[/quote]

Everyone has a concept created in their mind of where knowledge comes from. Sometimes it is an indian guru or an 80 year old monk. From my opinion...and all that jazz...
THIS IS WRONG!!!!!!!
Knowledge does not come from any predetermined source, but every predetermined source. Every single solitary energetic encounter you have can yeild tremendous amoounts of mentaql progression. If you denty all of it but that what comes in the physical body you expected, think of how much knowledge you miss. Don't stay ignorant for mental fashions sake. (mental fashion being the style of your "perspective")

[quote]As it so happens, I am talking to you on a paranormal forum, which I write on in a part of my free time, for fun and to see other peoples ideas.[/quote]

Yay!

What a perfect place for me to come debate the supernatural nature of what we discuss and try to bring it into a realm of the normal.

[quote]'Sarcasm doesn't ever work without voice inflection and facial expression there is no sarcasm on posts unless it is conveyed, usually in type or smileyface. It is impossible for you post to be read and sarcasm assumed, unless you are REALLY drastic with it.'

I am finding this very hard to believe, I cannot believe you could have missed such blatant, in your face sarcasm. From the beginning of these posts I have been arguing against your point of view- the idea that energy can be used, manipulated, spiritual/mental healing- things like that (don't nit pick). Then, I say I have psychic abilites. This is obviously a joke. It is evident that you have conquered the impossible, just as you seem to have with your extraordinary abilities.[/quote]

But that is just it i've only mastered the possible, so sue me for being able to fathom that you may have too.

[quote]'It is the same concept of particles, and no you don';t touch for static electricity, you almost touch a hand or a doorknow or whatever. Let's drop these chintzy cheezy trivializing terminology, shall we?'

Yes, you don't touch, but you have to be very, very close. In a the psi vampire thread we have been referring to, you agreed with him/her when she/he said that they could leech energy from people. They made it clear that they could do this from a fair distance, much too far for static energy. Therefore...[/quote]

To do what could be termed psi vamping you would have to be very skilled to effect people over distances, or be very passionate about it.

Regardless i was using a similarity between the particle arrangement of static electricity and bioenergy. i did not mean to imply that they are the same thing on a macrobiotic level.

[quote]'People have an electromagnetic bioenergetic body, they effect people with it without understanding it because they do not know. That is what the thread is about, labels aside.'

It is not wise to make statements like this without a lot of proof and links to back it up. I have heard nothing of this energy, but I am not focusing on its alleged existence. You are saying that people effect other people with their own energy, this is actually complete nonsense.
I need no links to back that up.[/quote]

Once again i refuse to cease arguing about things that you specifically are ignorant of.
i state that your perspective is not the collective perspective (and neither is mine, or anybody's)
and there is no rule that says i have to pander to the lowest common denominator.

i am not saying that is you. But if i have to pander to your level of understanding i have to keep to everyones as well. including the lowest common denominator. And at that point i fail to see the point in participating. Like you are here for fun and growth, so am i.


[quote]'i am responding to them as though they are telling the truth because it is sort of like they are saying "when i get mad at my dog for peeing on the carpet, i go run down pedestrians with my car. It makes me feel better."
So i feel someone who know that there is such a thing to be happening should step in and warn them that such behavior, much like whacking peds, has concequences.'

I do not think you should respond to them in such a way, it is irresponsible. These people believe they have such gifts, you encouraging them makes things worse, it increases self-delusion.
If they did exist, they you still have no right to warn them, you are not fully aware of the consequences as you are not some kind of energy god. You could be doing much worse than them, if you had such powers.[/quote]

It is not irressponsible, i speak from experience, direct observational and otherwise.
Trust me on this one folks, if you produce badnesss you will get badnesss, if you are nice life is nicer. This applies whether i am right about such things existing or if you are right about such things not existing.


[quote]'The first rule of anything, but especially life and existence is;

DON'T BE STUPID!!!!!!'

God, you really need to listen to your own adivce. I have said very little stupid comments, compared to yours that is. People in glass houses...[/quote]

Don't take it personally, i wasn't saying you were or did anything stupid, i am saying messing with other peoples realities in a knowingly negative way is stupid.

Now you are just telling me i'm stupid?
That is not a debate.
That is a cop out.
You do not understand what i am saying (you say) so you do not know if me or my comments are stupid.

[quote]'why?

What are you basing that on, that everyone agrees with your perspective of discountance of anything you seem to define as "woo-woo"?

i never said you were alone, i said i was not alone. We are not two black and white opposing enetities. You never know we may even have a few things we agree on!!!
Whoah, DUDE, no way!!!!'

I think you are lacking in seeing how other people think. If you tell me that you are not alone, in a somewhat sarcastic way, you are implying, whether you know it or not, that I am alone in my beliefs. That is why I responded so.
The last thing you said...funny...[/quote]

It is funny that after i said sarcasm was only effective with notation, you still somehow managed to misconsrue my serious statement of support as sarcasm. So i was actually implying no such thing, that is just your personal neurosis, please don't try to wipe that slimey stuff off on me, i didnot say that.

[quote]'Regardless i know it exists, if you are still haveing trouble realizing, Reiki exists, i could try to scan a copy of my degree from an accreditted university. Oh just to save you your next semantical arguement, i do mean a degree in Reiki.'

This is a very patronising statement, it worsens your argument. I am having no trouble whatsoever in believing the existence of Reiki, you have not been listening to my argument in your desperation to promote your own achievments. I deniend the paranomal aspect of reki, not its existence as a calming technique etc.[/quote]

ok, you want to give me egotistical moments so bad... wanna hear it here it go...

That is silly, because i did not even remotely begin to tout my achievements!

There, feel better, now leave my ego out of this, i am desperatly trying to, i was asked to state my univerity of accredidation, so i did, get over it.

[quote]A degree in reiki, well done; it bring very little to the argument. Am I going to have to take your word for it that it is an accredited university?[/quote]

It proves reiki exists

"Reiki...I am guessing that is some kind of form of spiritual healing? Well breathing patterns and excersise and waving your hands over someone may well calm then, and make feel better about themselves. However I seriously doubt there is anything remotely paranormal involved."
Mr. Ed~

This quote continued into your argueing various point of reiki from various perspectives, i have tried to keep up, but it was only an example in the first place.

[quote]'i am not talking about the life coaching joke. i was talking about the fact that based on what little you had assessed of me on this site you assumed that i believe everything that you concider to be paranormal. These are wild assumptions.'

I never said that I considered everything I believe to be paranormal, you believe in.[/quote]

Nice.

You may want to reread that.

[quote] I made one link between you and the psi vampire subject, and you have again, greatly exaggerated.[/quote]

You actually used two examples, i could go find the quote for you, but i am tired and going to bed, semantics arguements centering on no decisive central subject are tiring.

[quote]However, if I was to make such assumptions in the future, they would not be wild. They could be assumptions, but they most definitely would not be wild ones.
[/quote]

That's right because everybody thinks just like you, except the one person you are talking to at the moment and after the convo. they always agree with you again. Now that was sarcastic.

I have put up with your condesending and patronising use of language and your large ego. Now I have had enough. I am not going to respond to each individual statement, but rather reply in general.

First of all, your constant use of the words 'darling' etc, are not actually friendly. Whether you know it or not, they are part of your argument that attempts to make anything I say like a childish retort. Reinforcing this, you used my age as part of your argument. It is very patronising and portrays you in a very egotistical light, showing your 'superiority' by age. Before you say that you use those terms friendly and they mean nothing, you are wrong. They contribute to the air of superiority that you wave.

Further evidence for your ego getting in the way of the topic:
'But if i have to pander to your level of understanding i have to keep to everyones as well'
Coming from someone who did a degree in Reiki and believes in the paranormal properties of chi. To get to your level of understanding I would have to hit myself in the head with a steel bar and then smoke four kilograms of pot. Only joking...'Now that was sarcastic.'

'That is not a debate.
That is a cop out.
You do not understand what i am saying (you say) so you do not know if me or my comments are stupid.'

You have taken this debate off course, I have sadly followed you. I never said I did not understand what you saying, I said once that I did not understand a single statement you made. However I do not think I can be blamed as your constant use of the same word i.e. perspective (yes, I do know what that means...), confuses the sentence structure.
I made one single large grammatical error earlier, I was beffudled from your previous statement. I realise this argument has nothing to do with grammar, but it would help if you were clearer with your languge, maybe then I could go to your 'level of understanding'.

You have still not told me what university you went to. Having a degree in reiki proves very little, just that it exists in a normal way. It has no paranormal properties. Before you respond to this, remember we have different definitions of paranormal and normal.

'That's right because everybody thinks just like you, except the one person you are talking to at the moment and after the convo. they always agree with you again. Now that was sarcastic.'

Yes it was, it also made little sense and is showing up your loose grasp of sarcasm. Most people in the world would agree with me about subjects regarding psi vampires etc.

I do not think I will bother responding to your next post unless it is an attack on me. This argument has dissipated into a series of small quotes, that have gone off topic.

And extremely hard to follow, what with the lack of Quote boxes and all.

So, returning to the original topic, energy in the hands, be it psychic abilities, chi, reiki, or whatnot, is generally regarded as a paranormal ability, are we agreed on that, or is there a different definition needed?

I agree that they come under the heading of 'paranormal ability'. However, people may well have 'energy', I just don't believe they can manipulate it in such a way as suggested.

(how do you do quote boxes?! It is getting annoying now)

Two ways:

In the Reply page, you can click on the QUOTE button above the message box. The word QUOTE, surrounded by [ ], will appear. Type or paste whatever you wish, then click it again, and you will get /QUOTE, surrounded by [ ]. Anything within these two will be in a quote box.

You can also type them in manually.

Incidentally, if you what to see what your post looks like, you can click PREVIEW POST at the bottom, and it will show you how your post will look on the message board. You can make corrections prior to posting it for everyone to see.

Ah ok thanks. This is my first try:



Thanks.

There is no scientific evidence for Reiki to my knowledge.

I've seen you talking about scientific principles in relation to Tarot and Runes. You throw in grand unification theory and quantam theory like mentioning it in the same paragraph as all your junk about Reiki gives it a scientific basis.

Reiki is referred to as a pseudoscience, seeing as it's all a load of hot air.

http://www.ncahf.org/articles/o-r/reiki.html

http://skepdic.com/reiki.html

Please point me in the direction of some scientifc studies using scientific methodolgies showing the theory and effectiveness of Reiki.

Can you give the website for the "Autodidactic U" from which you are obtaining your Phd ?

Well said, be careful though- she did a degree in it.

i am glad this is not an attack,i am merely getting frustrated for people ask me questions full of misconceptions that must be debunked before i can even begin to explain what i mean.

Reiki as a metaphysical "power" does not exist.
Are you stating that over a million people the world over who pay for Reiki sessions a practice older than western medicine are all involved in something that has never really existed, all reiki certification scools are scams and the precticioners fraudulant because none of the precticioners are doing anything at all. Have you never felt the effects for yourself?

On a smaller scale it is like those times as a child where your mommy kissed your booboo and it really did feel better.

So your body has a bioenergetic body, The flow of this electrically charged energy can sometime stagger, eddy or otherwise become blocked, Reiki is the prectice of returning healthy motion to this secondary body.

it is natural and not meta anything.

met·a·phys·ic P Pronunciation Key (mt-fzk)
n.
Metaphysics.
A system of metaphysics.
An underlying philosophical or theoretical principle: a belief in luck, the metaphysic of the gambler.

met·a·phys·i·cal P Pronunciation Key (mt-fz-kl)
adj.
Of or relating to metaphysics.
Based on speculative or abstract reasoning.
Highly abstract or theoretical; abstruse.
Immaterial; incorporeal. See Synonyms at immaterial.
Supernatural.


Hmmm, first definition... a system of metaphysics


It is a recoculously useless word.

!!!!!!!!!

You keep assumeing sarcasm where i am not using any, of course you think i sound patronizing, you think i am constanly using sarcasm that is not actually present.





i write like i speak. Everyone calls me darling because i call every one darling, if you could hear the voice inflection you would know it is actually a way i endear everyone and is quite friendy. You are percieving it otherwise because you want to, just like you want to think much of what i say is sarcastic, when i only used sarcasm once, and i noted it with a note AND a smiley.



Every old man i have ever called darling eats it up!
Your complaining about a sweet diction makes a bit of what you say a bit like a childish retort, but it is very mature of you to notice how you come across.



It's not about superiority by age, as i personally believe evolution has never moved backwards only constantly forward, so you have a much greater potential to be far superior over me my your youth. Yet insight is not experience.

i mention it because , while it is a fun volly here, i do not even remember what we are debating.

Thank you for thinking me superior enough to be waving a flag, i am not but thanks for thinking so. You are basically just telling me you think i am smart enough to know it, so thanks, but i am just chatting.



Which was what again?
Your obsession with my ego problem has lead us so far off topic!

New topic!

The evidence of anami's ego thread



i don't even believe the word paranormal should exist and i have said so many times. i also do not use the word chi and i said that many times.
Kilos! Are you from canada or are ya just into coke (now that was sarcastic!!i am not actually calling you a drug user of any kind)
Don't recommend the steel bar but hey with where you are you could benefit from a jump ball, watch i heart huckabees and you will see what i mean

Oh we're joking isn't that a tension breaker! joking and we may even both be aware of it.



um, that was when you called me stupid, remember. Name calling is never a debate it is always a cop out. And you don;'t know for a fact that i am stupid You don't want to know my iq, you'd attack my ego again.

i can't believe you used my response to your calling me stupid as an example of my ego. Now that is funny!!!



i did huh...
Don't say that hon, i'll have to go get a quote...



These are all from one post, need i go on?




from right above
"I never said I did not understand what you saying,"



why?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
per·spec·tive P Pronunciation Key (pr-spktv)
n.
A mental view or outlook: “It is useful occasionally to look at the past to gain a perspective on the present” (Fabian Linden).

The relationship of aspects of a subject to each other and to a whole: a perspective of history; a need to view the problem in the proper perspective.

Subjective evaluation of relative significance; a point of view: the perspective of the displaced homemaker.

The ability to perceive things in their actual interrelations or comparative importance: tried to keep my perspective throughout the crisis.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



But you need to illustrate which comment for me to be able to clairify.



Once again, i am currently earning an extensive PhD from Autodidactic University.



That is all i was ever trying to prove, that exists and does so in a normal way.



Well then, we need to define those terms, think about it para normal - do i have to go back to dictionary .com or can you get this one on your own?



my point was to point out you think everyone agrees with you (off this site, you point out) about certain subjects. How would you begin to know this?
It is a blind assumption.





It went off topic in the second post when you denyed reiki's existence, don't blame me! We both had heavy hands in pulling this topic so far off subject.

i have not and will not attack you, i am only sharing my opinions, don't take everything so personally.

par·a·nor·mal P Pronunciation Key (pr-nôrml)
adj.
Beyond the range of normal experience or scientific explanation: such paranormal phenomena as telepathy; a medium's paranormal powers.

Quantum theory is proving such thins as normal, not beyond normal, especially energy in hands. My whole argument is that this is normal natural and being proven by new scientific theorums, calling it paranormal alienates me and my assertions from the discussion.
It neads to be defined differently for me to be understood, it seems.

NOT ABOUT REIKI!!!!!!!!!!
Not about proving reiki. Just was stating that the concept of it exists. No one has attempted to prove reikis function here.

REiki is not a science and therefore can not be psudo science which is the most rediculous word in existence as it is a buzz word to discount supposed buzzwords in one of the largest verble exaples of hipocracy.

Do you not read before you post? These studies are being conducted now as quantum theory is MAYBE 15 to 20 years old from it's very conception of discovery. and that is like way beginning, so now we are at the end of the beginning, find some patience oh, those of the world of instant gratification that doesn't actually gratify.


You want to know about reiki? Go have asession, then come back and discuss it with me, otherwise your perspective will be psuydo science, as you have no experience.

You want me to give you a web site for A.U. are you actually serious!?!?
Don't say silly things like that or i WILL whip out my ego.

There is no "website" for such an anchient classic university.

I do not think you are using sarcasm, only once, about 3 days ago did I say you were using sarcasm. I don't know where you got that from.
Now who is assuming...



I predicted that response anyway.




No, one cannot help coming across childish when they are having an argument with somebody like you. The air of superiority that you reek of is enough to make me resort to anything but insults.



No, I am not. To be honest, from what you have written I do not think you are very intelligent. You may well be, I just haven't seen any proof of it. I am not saying my posts are, just that yours are lacking.




That is a really good idea.



For god sake, you really have proved yourself to be fickle and confused now. I said that once, because of your poorly worded language. ONCE I said I did not understand what you meant. I have understood everything since, but for some reason you keep insisting that I have said it many times...I achknowledge I said it once previously, once, not more than that.



Never heard of it, but then again I don't live in the US.


(that comment is on the first page and is above the bit where I said I did not understand what you meant, because of use of words).



You were not trying to prove the same as me as we both have different definitions of normal.



I am sorry, but to me (not that you care), has really proved to me that you are not as intelligent as I thought you were at the beginning of this thread. Let me try to make it easy for you to understand what I mean.
Say there is bad and evil. Someone might say that killing someone is bad, whereas person B might say killing someone was evil. Get it now?
We would put different items into those categories.
I do not see how you could not see what I was saying.



It is not a blind assumption. Speaking to people at school, watching television, the papers- that is the way people think. The majority of people need proof. There is no proof out there for them to see.



I am not taking everything personally...

[quote=Mr Ed,Jun 8 2005, 11:42 PM]
[quote]!!!!!!!!!

You keep assumeing sarcasm where i am not using any, of course you think i sound patronizing, you think i am constanly using sarcasm that is not actually present.[/quote]

I do not think you are using sarcasm, only once, about 3 days ago did I say you were using sarcasm. I don't know where you got that from.
Now who is assuming...

[quote]i write like i speak. Everyone calls me darling because i call every one darling, if you could hear the voice inflection you would know it is actually a way i endear everyone and is quite friendy. You are percieving it otherwise because you want to, just like you want to think much of what i say is sarcastic, when i only used sarcasm once, and i noted it with a note AND a smiley.[/quote]

I predicted that response anyway.
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Good for you, hey maybe your psycic!

or maybe you knew the whole time that i meant nothing but niceness and you just wanted to complain about it anyway.


[quote]Every old man i have ever called darling eats it up!
Your complaining about a sweet diction makes a bit of what you say a bit like a childish retort, but it is very mature of you to notice how you come across.[/quote]

[quote]No, one cannot help coming across childish when they are having an argument with somebody like you. The air of superiority that you reek of is enough to make me resort to anything but insults.[/quote]

once again i am very flattered that you think i reek of superioriy to the point where you are reduced to insults, but it is really hindering the discussion, besides bear in mind that it is probably morning for you, whereas it is nearing the middle of the night for me, you are alert, i am loopy and tired. i am not at my best and you still find me superior, you are SOOOOOO sweet!




[quote]Once again, i am currently earning an extensive PhD from Autodidactic University.[/quote]

[quoteNever heard of it, but then again I don't live in the US.[/quote]

Good for you, and i really mean it, you are very lucky to not be in the U.S. and so is A.U.


[quote]That is all i was ever trying to prove, that exists and does so in a normal way[/quote]

[quote]You were not trying to prove the same as me as we both have different definitions of normal.[/quote]



yup, you really can kill any argument with semantics, it's like kryptonite and super man.

[quote]Well then, we need to define those terms, think about it para normal - do i have to go back to dictionary .com or can you get this one on your own?[/quote]

[quote]I am sorry, but to me (not that you care), has really proved to me that you are not as intelligent as I thought you were at the beginning of this thread. Let me try to make it easy for you to understand what I mean.[/quote]

You called me stupid in like your second post, so i guess you think i am really dumb now.

[quote]Say there is bad and evil. Someone might say that killing someone is bad, whereas person B might say killing someone was evil. Get it now?[/quote]

oh, i do get it! It's a perfect example of namaste!


Death to all arguments, up with semantics argument. WE WILL LOOSE TRACK OF EVERY POINT!!!!!

So what is your solution? Shall we define each and every word we use in each and every way we use it? Let's not forget to define the words we use to define the words we used!!!!

Yeah right , i