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The Roswell Man
Stone age craftsmen in China were polishing jade objects using diamond 2,000 years before anyone else had the same idea, new evidence suggests.
Quartz was previously thought to be the abrasive used to polish ceremonial axes in late stone age, or neolithic, China.
But the investigations of a Chinese-US team of scientists indicate that quartz alone would not have been able to achieve such lustrous finishes.
The team reports its diamond findings in the journal Archaeometry.
Harvard University physicist Peter Lu and colleagues studied four ceremonial burial axes, the oldest of which dates to about 4,500 years ago.
The team used X-ray diffraction and electron microprobe analysis. This determined that the most abundant mineral in the axes was corundum, known as ruby in its red form and sapphire in all other colours.

Hard case

The majority of prehistoric stone objects are traditionally thought to have been fashioned from rocks containing minerals no harder than quartz. But corundum is one of the hardest minerals known to science, second only to diamond.
What the researchers found even more intriguing were the finely polished surfaces of the axes, which reflect an image like a mirror.
To test their ideas, the researchers took a small stone sample from one of the axes, an artefact from the Liangzhou culture, and subjected it to polishing with diamond, alumina and silica, following modern techniques.
The finely polished axes reflected an image like a mirror
Using an atomic force microscope to examine the polished surfaces on a nanometre scale, the scientists found the diamond-polished surface most closely matched the surface from the ancient axe.
Quartz could not have been the abrasive used by the ancient craftsmen.
"Our understanding of the first use of diamond is based on textual evidence from 500 BC in India. But even that - though probably right - is speculative. This is physical evidence a couple of thousand years earlier," Dr Lu told the BBC News website.
"Any experiment does not give you 100% certainty, but this is the only possibility that makes sense."
However, even with the best modern polishing technologies available, the research team could not achieve a surface as flat and smooth as that on the ancient axe.
The authors speculate that the use of diamond and corundum abrasives could be linked to an explosion in finely polished jade artefacts during the Chinese neolithic.
The use of corundum could have slashed production times while diamond could have added the finishing touches, they suggest.
Quartz, previously thought to have been the neolithic lapidary's abrasive of choice, is only slightly harder than jade

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marduk
QUOTE(The Roswell Man @ May 18 2005, 05:50 PM)
Stone age craftsmen in China were polishing jade objects using diamond 2,000 years before anyone else had the same idea, new evidence suggests.
Quartz was previously thought to be the abrasive used to polish ceremonial axes in late stone age, or neolithic, China.
But the investigations of a Chinese-US team of scientists indicate that quartz alone would not have been able to achieve such lustrous finishes.
The team reports its diamond findings in the journal Archaeometry.
Harvard University physicist Peter Lu and colleagues studied four ceremonial burial axes, the oldest of which dates to about 4,500 years ago.
The team used X-ray diffraction and electron microprobe analysis. This determined that the most abundant mineral in the axes was corundum, known as ruby in its red form and sapphire in all other colours.

Hard case

The majority of prehistoric stone objects are traditionally thought to have been fashioned from rocks containing minerals no harder than quartz. But corundum is one of the hardest minerals known to science, second only to diamond.
What the researchers found even more intriguing were the finely polished surfaces of the axes, which reflect an image like a mirror.
To test their ideas, the researchers took a small stone sample from one of the axes, an artefact from the Liangzhou culture, and subjected it to polishing with diamond, alumina and silica, following modern techniques.
The finely polished axes reflected an image like a mirror
Using an atomic force microscope to examine the polished surfaces on a nanometre scale, the scientists found the diamond-polished surface most closely matched the surface from the ancient axe.
Quartz could not have been the abrasive used by the ancient craftsmen.
"Our understanding of the first use of diamond is based on textual evidence from 500 BC in India. But even that - though probably right - is speculative. This is physical evidence a couple of thousand years earlier," Dr Lu told the BBC News website.
"Any experiment does not give you 100% certainty, but this is the only possibility that makes sense."
However, even with the best modern polishing technologies available, the research team could not achieve a surface as flat and smooth as that on the ancient axe.
The authors speculate that the use of diamond and corundum abrasives could be linked to an explosion in finely polished jade artefacts during the Chinese neolithic.
The use of corundum could have slashed production times while diamond could have added the finishing touches, they suggest.
Quartz, previously thought to have been the neolithic lapidary's abrasive of choice, is only slightly harder than jade

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souce: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4555235.stm
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see, i told you there'd be an encore didn't I
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The Roswell Man
i was thinking when u were going to pick that up grin2.gif laugh.gif
marduk
QUOTE(The Roswell Man @ May 18 2005, 06:27 PM)
i was thinking when u were going to pick that up grin2.gif  laugh.gif
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Next week I'm gonna have another go at the lottery numbers
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Odinson
QUOTE(marduk @ May 18 2005, 01:13 PM)
see, i told you there'd be an encore didn't I
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Yep, you did. Either you're a seer, or the Chinese are the creators of all civilization, art, crafts, science, etc
marduk
QUOTE(Odinson @ May 19 2005, 05:43 AM)
QUOTE(marduk @ May 18 2005, 01:13 PM)
see, i told you there'd be an encore didn't I
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Yep, you did. Either you're a seer, or the Chinese are the creators of all civilization, art, crafts, science, etc
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I guess I'm a seer,
or maybe i'm just chinese
hehe
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Odinson
QUOTE(marduk @ May 19 2005, 12:54 AM)
QUOTE(Odinson @ May 19 2005, 05:43 AM)
QUOTE(marduk @ May 18 2005, 01:13 PM)
see, i told you there'd be an encore didn't I
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Yep, you did. Either you're a seer, or the Chinese are the creators of all civilization, art, crafts, science, etc
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I guess I'm a seer,
or maybe i'm just chinese
hehe
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Well, if you're both, I'll have to call you the Fortune Cookie guy.
The Roswell Man
or just plain flukey yes.gif yes.gif
marduk
QUOTE(The Roswell Man @ May 19 2005, 04:01 PM)
or just plain flukey yes.gif  yes.gif
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Not really.
sometimes archaeological departments in various countries get bored
lets look at the three big discoveries in detail and see if theres a pattern
1) oldest homo fossil. so what next week they'll find one older in ireland
2) earliest civilisation 5000 years ago. so basically not as old as egypt then. so what
3) chinese first to use diamonds as a polishing tool. zzzzzzzzzzzzz
see on their own they're all pretty minor league crap
but three in a row woohoo surf that wave dudes
i bet these three have been burning a hole in their pockets for months.
see not a seer
not chinese
not flukey
just cynical
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Conspiracy
soooooooo almost everything IS made from china w00t.gif
The Roswell Man
hey guys just trying to post useful info
jeez
marduk
QUOTE(The Roswell Man @ May 20 2005, 11:16 AM)
hey guys just trying to post useful info
jeez
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you're being a bit paranoid today roswell man
no ones having a go at you
unless you're chinese
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The Roswell Man
got exams 2day
plus housemate annoyed me 2day. no.gif disgust.gif
marduk
go study
The Roswell Man
maybe while hunting
the hunters were panseys and a little insecure of their looks
lol
marduk
QUOTE(The Roswell Man @ May 20 2005, 08:31 PM)
maybe while hunting
the hunters were panseys and a little insecure of their looks
lol
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uh oh
somebody call this guy a doctor
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The Roswell Man
cant we take a joke
lol
marduk
QUOTE(The Roswell Man @ May 22 2005, 09:03 PM)
cant we take a joke
lol
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maybe if i understood it ?
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